There's your murder charge!!!! This scene in this episode always gets me. This is probably the second best episode of TOS. No matter how many times I see it you forget your watching a TV show and your praying for anything to stop M5 from killing all those innocent people. It's like your living inside James Kirk body and feeling what he had to be feeling unable to stop M5 from killing hundreds even thousands of his fellow star fleet!

​@@jimgeorge3273 *you're

@@slake9727 your.

Long live the terrine empire

If you have Netflix, the original series is on Netflix!!

Matter Antimatter, True, they showed this episode on Heros and Icons tonight. Love the Original Star Trek Series, better than anything else that followed it.

Yes, I have the old series on DVD, to include all six movies with the original crew.

Long after we are gone..this show will live on

5 Enterprises

Split screen. Too obvious

There were 12 Original Constitution Class Starships in The Starfleet Command. 5 Starships in Battle simulation. The Klingon and Romulan Empire had formed an Alliance because The United Federation Of Planets Just Got Real. Replacement Constitution Class Starships ordered to replace The loss of The USS Constellation NCC-1017 USS Exeter NCC-1647 USS Intrepid NCC-1631 USS Defiant NCC-1764. Starfleet Command orders The USS Miranda Class Starships.

@@marcusjustice6165 - Yes 12 Original Constitution Class Starships. Yes, the U.S.S. Exeter lost its crew but the ship itself was fine and not a loss.

@@SamanthaMunitz Exeter needed MAJOR disinfecting!

Star Trek was pretty good about showing Black men in prominent roles like a Commodore, a genius inventor, a surgeon specializing in Vulcans. Not so good about women's equality and getting past their primary value as being beautiful.

@@sandal_thong8631 Fair point. We tend to overlook that Roddenberry's first notion for casting a First Officer involved a woman (he found a place for M. Leigh Hudec further on) and the person in charge of the studio that greenlit two TOS pilots (industry precedent) was Lucille Ball. But some time ago a Trekker pointed out to me that with very rare exceptions no TOS character was a token, costumes notwithstanding.

​@@johnfraraccio99 Don't you mean a Trekkie?

@@slake9727 He called himself a Trekker. I didn't argue.

Shatner always over acted, but in an entertaining way

Yeah like horror of having to read stupid comments all in caps ! The horror!

Yes, and in a few seconds he breaks his hold on Daystrom and glares at the viewscreen desperately, impotently shouting the Doctor's name, as M-5 bears down again...

He's a brilliant actor, but he doesn't get nearly enough credit for it.

I’ve never understood why people criticized his acting. Someone heard someone else say he overacts, and it spread like a plague.

last first Agreed. Hate the Bill Shatner bashing myself. He's a good trained actor and as he was after all the main star if the show, as it dealt specificly about a young starship Captain, a logicial half human, half Vulcan, and a very human chief medicial doctor, this young Captain was given his first command of a starship, and proved many times his ship, his crew and his career were top priorities, even over his love interests he was involved in. The other actors and actresses were jealous of him and his acting, yet folks, he did guide this tv show to the still current, emence popularity it has today.

Any actor is as good as his or her role and how that actor fits it. Shatner was very good in this and in certain other things like The Andersonville Court Martial and less good in things like TJ Hooker.

I thought he was quite convincing as an actor

Especially in the right role . . . .

Shatner was good at playing the character Kirk. I've never liked any of his other stuff that includes Denny Crane. In any case, the original question was why do people think he is a bad actor. It's The mystique of TOS. Have you ever watched it all the way through? The production was often plagued by a low budget, poor scripting and incompetence. I've seen TOS all the way through several times and little things like occasionally seeing microphones in the frame or the actors staring off camera can be seen more than once. Paramount did not always have time or money for a re-shoot or the editing literally missed it. Often enough you see Kirk and all of the other characters doing and saying things that are inconsistant, but the production couldn't do any better. Take the episode with the Gorn for example; it is the bed rock argument for Shatner's so called bad acting. However that episode showed the symptoms of all of the problems mentioned above and not even Shatner could do any better under those working conditions. In any case, it was the idea of Star Trek itself, the good episodes and Shatner among Nimoy, Kelly et al. that made Star Trek into what it is.

Oh shut up

WELL SAID!!!

Thanks for sharing that story. No sarcasm. I mean it.

@@alexpalmer9101 Hey, we love Trek, and everything it entails. Anybody knocking Trek or Roddenberry gets a swift kick in the patootey.....

TOS was so ahead of its time. Here, it depicts a computer AI running out of control and killing scores. And what are people trying to do today? Oh yeah, machine learning and creating AI. What makes anyone think this is a good idea and that said AI can be controlled?

+jack ryan Same thing I always said of Star Trek. It still is ahead of it's time in many ways.

my FAVORITE episode, and I am now 29....grew up with this series, and yes, no couch potato, job holder and college grad, and still love the show, lol, as does dad.

so true, the lessons and passion still speak today and will forever, I mean, think about it.....the future is going to be a very different reality!

especially our DISTANT future....one we have no idea about! Literally, we can only imagine....

especially our future, a century from now....one can only imagine.....what a world it will be on Earth.....I can't say our universe, as LITTLE is said to have changed, comets, meteroids, etc. But....just imagine....I don't think we will make it to space, the resources, the tech, we don't have, politics, all that. We are an island in space, and still fighting one another in so many ways. I am no flaming lib, but, come on. We don't know anything about what is out there yet, and that is the sad thing. I had an original post, but, somehow, I think now, I am starting to make more sense. This epsiode, btw, was my favorite OST episodes, but I would have many if I watched the series recently again. I would love to be an alpha in Huxley's "Brave New World," sadly, wrong century for me!

Thank you. This plot hole ruined an otherwise excellent episode.

They assumed that Kirk could override the M5 and had no way of knowing that the M5 was (rather like Hal in 2001) had taken control of the ship completely out of the hands of the humans, and was not even allowing Kirk to contact the other ships to explain what was happening. A typical human failing. :)

The captain is responsible regardless.

@@00bikeboy I wouldn't really call it a plot hole, just human nature. Similar to when things go badly for people they blame fate, others, nature or Murphy's Law, but when things go well they attribute it to God. Here when things go well, they immediately attribute it to M5 because they are already disposed to approve of it, the wonderous computer that can do no wrong, and in fact, work better than humans (in a way God). Then it is easy to blame the human, whom you have already decided isn't as great, bc of course it couldn't pOssibly be the perfect computer's fault. By the way I'm not saying God can't bring about good things, but it's silly to act like bad things just happen and he can't manage to do anything about them. Anyhow, this turned into a way longer thing than originally intended, hope u are having a great day :)

I don't regard it as an insult. Wesley was predicting humans would loose their jobs to machines, and had some sympathy.

He even went from dead and back to security (episodes out of shooting order lol). That's if you're referring to who I think you are. And I think the name is Mr. Leslie

OOps! I was wrong. Never caught that Commodore Wesley was the same actor that played Giamotto, head of Enterprise security. Glad I watched it agan lol

They have no ethics.

So what does that make Data? Both him and the M5 were thinking, self-aware machines. The only difference is that Data has arms, legs, and a face. Does that make all the difference?

@@wcw43921 m5 didn't seem to be very self aware

Actually 1720

It misunderstood!

Yes, that's bad writing!

Either it was bad writing, or Wesley was a gaslighting bastard.

@@DavidRLentz They called Captain Garth, "Fleet Captain." I like to imagine that was what Captain Kirk was demoted to. Too bad they didn't keep the rank "Commodore" which would have suited Kirk in _Star Trek: The Motion Picture,_ so he could have rank but still command a starship.

@@ArmyJames , Captain Kirk (William Shatner) told Spock (Leonard Nimoy) that he knew the humanity of Bob Wesley (Barry Russo), and he gambled on his friend giving him a chance.

@@sandal_thong8631 , and Captain Pike (Sean Kenney) in TOS Menagerie Parts 1 and 2.

I absolutely hated when Commodore Wesley called Captain Kirk "Captain Dunsel", considering all that Captain Kirk had done, and how his expertise saved The Enterprise time after time. I never could see how Captain Kirk could see humanity in a guy like that!

Great observation.

@@sarahfullerton6894 I think that remark is aimed at all the starship captains, including wesley saying it about himself. They knew if the technology worked, their careers were over. A new Autoland system in now available for some airplanes, now, and there is talk about completely autonomous aircraft. The pilots at the airport here; were ribbing each other, "you're done, dude. Out the door. Passengers don't need us". It's actually very human, 'hey, man. do you see what's happening to us?"

Gene was only repeating what he learned existed!

Alex Palmer But it looke much, much BETTER in the 60's aired version than the enhanced version, i should say.

Dan Basta True. The enhanced versions have their moments, but also their fair share of weaknesses. "Omega Glory" is a good example of the latter. So many missed opportunities...

I believe it's the only time I have ever seen a 4 starship task force in TOS period. What a magnificent shot.

Well, speaking of starships in general, we do see four starships on the screen at the same time later in The Enterprise Incident, with three Romulan warships surrounding the Enterprise.

Uhura's reaction is priceless. She sold the idea!

Excellent episode!

It was rare to see so many other Federation starships!

Building upon my work....MY WORK!!!!

James T. Kirk is responsible for the destruction of more Constitution class ships than the Klingon Empire.

+hagamapama I think the only Constitution class ship he blew up was the USS Constellation.

Somehow he was involved with the destruction of the U.S.S. Farragut against the vampire cloud.

RedFenril You're not counting the 2 Constitution classes that blew up under him and the one he flew into the Doomsday Machine.

The damage to the 3 was probably fairly negligible; certainly in Commodore Wesley's view. This commodore knew his work well -- his three would slaughter the lone Enterprise. Enterprise stood no chance standing against three fully armed, and alert sisterships. The ultimate computer relied on a sneak attack in knocking one out -- but then it's advantage was lost. Wesley would be, in effect, signing Kirk and Enterprises' "death warrant" by going over to the attack -- three sets of phaser banks and three sets of photo torpedo tubes all against poor Enterprise Never forget his task group was all sister-ships, so Enterprise had zero advantage in that respect. Her sisters would have quickly destroyed her shields, then cut her to ribbon structurally with full-power phasers and spreads of photon torpedoes. For once Kirk had it all backwards, which unfortunately blights this episode somewhat.

AGREED! PREFER THE 60'S AIRED VERSION OF THE ORIGINAL STAR TREK SERIES THAN THIS ENHANCED STUFF.

David William S budget and time constraints.

Had they possessed 3-D modeling and animation technology, they probably would have.

OTOH, it would've become less special in a way, like in DS9. Not that it was detriment.

Still could be if they stoped being feminazis

Might have been nice if they had lesser starships to compare to, like Discovery that they were always expected to rendezvous with. Apparently, Kirk was not only on the young-side as Captain, but got one of the best ships that had been around for 10 years or so.

Aaron Handy III ..."up shit creek without a paddle"

One of my favorite episodes was "The Doomsday Machine"

It was definitely really cool

And flying in perfect battle formation.

@@flashkellam7395 that’s cause it’s the same footage slapped on 4 times

It would have been more interesting if they were slightly different, like different Na-Celles. I can see why they went to a new starship design for _Star Trek II_

Can you do all 12.??

FINALLY! I just found this clip on here and SOMEBODY has the same question I have had since I first saw this. (30 now, 1st saw it when I was 10)

Makes for good drama.

Geoff Williams Basically, the assumption is that Kirk is ultimately responsible for what happens aboard his ship. The Commodore makes that assumption because he's conditioned to. It's not human nature to question what you're used to.

Exactly

It was a pathetic Assumption by the Commodore to assume that Kirk was in actual command. Their sensors should've picked up the high charge of the phaser power from the Enterprise prior to them getting hit and made the necessary adjustments to their shields.

Great line, Dr. Daystrom moral psyche cracked by years of rebuttals by his peers. He started to root for his Frankenstein... Awesome!!!

He didn't know the M5 went rogue and shut out all the humans from the controls.

Yes, he didn't think that the M5 would attack federation ships so he assumes Kirk cut it off. Also, M5 did acknowledge that it was a game.

I agree

Carthaginian60 ...the excal. may have been doing so but did not have full shilds yet but hood and the putimkin (sp) moved off and should have had more than enough time to git full shilds. then again all 4 should have had 70% or 80% shilds or better going in just as a safety precussion. even against low power shilds.

You're supposed to assume they instantly did.

@@jackgibs5855 .... Yes. I was thinking the same thing. You don't want a 10% hit bleeding through your screens. And that first hit on Excalibur must had disabled her shields before she could increase power.

You’re right, of course. This is the only weakness in an otherwise brilliant (and hopefully not too prophetic) episode.

Good one! 🙂

Speed Racer back as a kid I got that!

That's incredible that's the same combination for my luggage! :D

I have the same combination on my luggage.

DAYSTROM!!!!!!!!!!

The Enterprise takes out the Excalibur. All crew members dead, ship out of commission.

Because he assumes Kirk can instantly disengage the M-5. He's under battle stress; he's not thinking perfectly well.

Yes. ⚰ ✝

You can have them. I'll keep my steering wheel, thank you.

let's put phasers on those robot cars!

Should be great. We'll let Skynet control them. What could possibly go wrong?

What do you think of AI censors in 2021?

Amit Divecha, Did you see the love lite in Spocks eyes? The right computer finally came along.

Well said gamewizard (19 Feb 2018 1547 hrs)

It wouldn't have been able to destroy the entire force. Three onto one, regardless of how fast it thinks, is simply too great an advantage. M5, and our beloved heroes, would have all been dust had it pressed its attack.