Nobody actually died, they were stunning each other.

Even if they did: the Traveler said it clearly: it's not our place to interfere.

😂😂😂😂

When one realizes they are actually a god, they become a little less concerned about the affairs of mortals.

@@ered203 that's gods for you

Thier time.

Yeah I noticed that too.

I want to point out what you're missing but honestly it's not worth my time.

Figuratively speaking of course

Time is relative. He could have been watching each and every step of Wes, which would mean that he would have to watch him in the exact time as Wes lives his life. So instead of zapping through time, you watch someone for decades, hoping to see them develop the skills you suppose they could develop. Time is only passing as fast as one perceives it. If you watch the clock tick forward, time becomes near endless, minutes seem to become hours and hours seem like days, and a day feels like eternity. The traveller was doing just that. Watching something tick forward, and this was no fast endeavour. He could not simply jump ahead in time, lest he would have missed an opportunity where he needed to help or otherwise intervene.

Imagine all that and that was reall just a cosmic pedophile and all he really did was take Wesely to his space dungeon and we get a whole episode about Picard havingto come rescue him from the Traveler

Myspace.

@Sunny Quackers Duh! It's a place where twits go to socialize. Don't you know anything?

Acid. He's talking about acid.

Apple, think different.

Abe McGee I wish they had done some story lines bringing in Wesley and The Traveler. So much room for the imagination to wander.

@@hannibalburgers477 Shut up .

Q's path is orthodox. It's much more dangerous but it's straightforward. There are constant "trials." It's not like the Traveler's, which is off the beaten path. The whole episode showed civilizations that didn't follow the orthodox path,.

I have a complete 7 season scripts set out for ST. Considering they stole the plot for Discovery I should finish it and send it in. I'd call it ST: Starfleet Command and I'd have it deal with a wide range of ships and locations, post Voyager bringing back many of the shows characters and introduce many new ones. Season 1 deals alot with the Militarized zone, a nickname for former romulan space where Remen, Cardassians who won't fall in line with New Cardassia under fed guidance. Ferengi who won't go along with Rom's vision of Ferenginar and joining the Federation of Planets. Like an episode where Rom is dodging assassins and goes to Quark for help who finally has his own Casino moon. I'd like to bring back Nog, but poor Aron passed, so it'd have to be a different actor to show him as the first Ferengi Starfleet captain and dealing with getting no respect from his crew. After the fall of Cardassia the Klingons got a huge taste for the conquest of old and still angry from their betrayal invade the Breen space and subjugate them. The federation doesn't like this but accept it, a dirty under the table secret as the Klingon Human Pact has grown in years and in Season 1 is the first year SF Academy is allowing more students than usual as they have more ships lined up already built with no crews to man them. This year SF Academy is bursting with Human, Klingon, Vulcan, Bajoran, Ferengi, Caradassians.. After Romulus's destruction Picard wasn't the only to save Romulans and many sought refuge on vulcan.. Some of those Romulan youth are joining the federation. The Klingons have tried to impose their will on the militarized zone but there are too many rogues, pirates there who've banded together. There are some romulans in this group and they are treated like dogs, slaves, except for a rare few who command small fleets of Warbirds stolen when Romulan society collapsed, the former slaves overpowering the romulan military. Quite a few romulan Commanders loaded civilians onto their ships and as mentioned before, sought out Vulan for reunification, Spock's goal, ultimately achieved. So for Wesley, in my script in Season 2 we find the USS Expedition on the edge of a spacial anomaly, about to be sucked in and destroyed when a little girl walks onto the bridge and begins using one of the consoles and enters a procedure for the Deflector dish and the anomaly dissipates leaving them all stunned. Later another child is found later in Season 2 and in Season 3 and we get a warning from a unexpected place with dire consequences.. That Wesley Crusher must not step foot on a Federation Starship unless he's the Captain.. Starfleet finds this unacceptable as Wesley hasn't worn a uniform in many years and don't know where he is, only that he occasionally books transport of federation ships. When Wesley's found he too expresses no desire to be a Captain or go back to Starfleet for a crash course in command and engineering, but reluctantly goes intrigued by the idea that Starfleet is going to give him command of a ship. Season 4, 5, 6, 7 all have their own main story lines that tie together but Wesley's story very much ties into the ending of the show, and where Star Trek goes next.. I'd even have a few episodes about the Borg. Start off as a regular episode about a human like species and it's experimentation with technology and show how they first ultimately became a hive mind hell bent on assimilation.. ((So people think it's now in the current time, where humans are experimenting with it and really it's very long ago) What happened to the borg after future Janeway introduced the compound into the borg, and the civil war. I guess I should eventually get onto finishing a presentation package and send it to them already.. I'm pretty sure they have nothing right now.

@@JaybayJay Sounds fascinating. Since they are starting new series in the Star Trek universe this might be an excellent time. But keep the original scripts just in case. Good luck. I would love to read them if you ever release them.

Sorry, They were watching the Voyager Episode where Paris and Janeway turn into giant newts and make baby slugs.

perhaps they did, which may be an explanation for why they had Q personally test Picard again in the finale. As he said, it was a direct order from the continuum that he test Picard and the crew one final time.

One thing I always felt the Continuum had overlooked - there's always someone better. A faster gun, a bigger fish, no matter how badass you are, you're not the most badass there is. Seems to be a pretty universal rule, at least...so far.

Personally I still think the Traveler is part of the Q Continuum. He might be the Star Trek version of Oma from Stargate SG1. Helping humans to ascend to a higher place.

Make sense since he was saving the day a lot in season 1. lol

Haha

It is my understanding that many are watching us figure out this 3D existence. (The Bible refers to them as a "cloud of witnesses"). Often, they want to interfere in where we collectively are heading, but they aren't supposed to do so without our invitation. Some do intervene subtly (a sort of course correction), it's not their journey, it's ours.

OneEyedKeys I agree, I wish I could see at least one final episode about Wesley and what becomes of him.

Actually Q should've made an appearance as soon a Wesley displayed such a power and probably should've tried to become his mentor instead of it being the Traveler. It would've been interesting to see the three characters of Wesley, Q, and the Traveler interact with each other outside of time.

OneEyedKeys I can just imagine Sisko telling Wesley to ‘shut up’ 😂

@@MrNaxman maybe he will show up in the picard series to save picard's ass. REAR admiral wesley reporting for duty sir!

You can't really jump the shark when you're about 5 episodes from the end and the finale is considered one of the finest stories in the entire series.

In other words, the Prime Directive.

Meh f em. T was right. They solved it.

@@RawhideProductions1 no thanks to bichwesely

I mean did any of the other crew not wonder where Wesley went lol And what about his mother which she not miss her son if he just vanished like that or was all of this explain further on into the episode I have to find a full episode I guess

@@christianpatriot7196 episode in the description

Hahahah, made me laugh! Good one! :)

And now Picard will take your cherished memories and crap all over them.

a being with godlike power yes, but just to be clear, though he may be "a god", he's still not God, if there is one. :)

I also felt the potential creepiness here, the way the big guy looks down at Wesley.

@Neil Rosenau no it isn't. plenty of subtext and codes in media.

So… you either teach cabin crew (a very honourable job!) or your in an Air Force?

Fine then, keep your secrets.

I hope you're being ironical. A great leader would know that the past participle of "to lead" is "led", not "lead".

A better way to depart would have been for Wesley to have been expelled and imprisoned for helping Tom Paris kill that cadet.

Meissnerflux The Traveller could not have appeared on Voyager because by that point he was serving 25 to life for multiple convictions for child molestation

t was predicting sooo much sooo *RIGHT*; wanna know about this NEXT GENERATION (Wesley Crusher Style)go to: plus.google.com/u/0/communities/114141235936810104482

Exact opposite. The actor retired and became a children’s rights attorney. It would have been awesome to see the traveller guest star once a season like Q and appear on Voyager.

But the traveler wasn’t better humankind. Fundamentally these truths cannot be taught but experienced. The point of the journey is maintaining ones human connection yet the traveler encourages Wesley to sacrifice it thus weakening his individuality.

It's a good thing they didn't. There was always too much character crossing over from one show to the next, even if it was just a cameo.

I have not ever heard this ever in my life, yet you claim so many hold an invalid opinion. You understand a concept that makes no literal sense. "Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the star ship enterprise. It's continuing mission. To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations. TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NO ONE HAS GONE BEFORE." Please tell me you don't understand Star Trek without actually saying you don't understand Star trek? I'll never understand why people make things up in defiance of the subject they claim to know yet clearly don't

Not only that, in a deleted scene he says he's gone back to the academy , I was happy to see him in the movie but that's just such a weird change to his story

Chris Hansen thinks the traveler needs to have a seat right over there.

There is a scene they cut out from the marriage scene in Nemesis in which Wesley is quite interested in a young woman. Another form of exploration I guess. ;-)

Did Wesley appear as some god-like figure in Nemesis?

@@huskyfaninmass1042 No they completely ignored his character arc from “Journey's End” instead he just nonchalantly appears at Riker and Troy’s wedding like nothing happened. I was very disappointed they gave absolutely no explanation whatsoever. There apparently was a scene shot where he had some lines but it got cut so there is no explanation why either him or Worf are back instead of being ambassador to Kronos. I wish they would spared a second or two to explain either characters appearance in the film.

Well now...

Ikr... that’s hilarious. Very selfish of Wesley and his new sugar daddy too!

Shh

Well the traveller does have to experience their time to observe if and how Westley will be enlightened.

I thought pretty much the same thing 🤣🤣

Hilarious . waited a long time.

Nog from DS9 is what Wesley should have been.

Tom TheMan Paul from the new series has very similar powers stemming from the same source.

Thodnern New series?

I always thought it would have been better at the end if he stepped back off the transporter and said "What the hell...I don't need a transporter." Then dematerialized himself...

Such as the power to Shut up?

@@richardm3023 - if only!

When I was a kid the tv guide announcer for one of the stations in Canada actually pronounced it like Voyageur. It was hilarious.

eleborate

"Faith" is the word you are missing here... :) "I find your lack of "Faith", disturbing." :)

Guinan.

Q???? If the human is for Q "AMEBA" than this traveler is on position of "HUMAN" if you understand me and Q is "GOOD" !!!The closest to Q is Guardian of forever! For Traveler is long log way to be like Q species!

Lmao

I always thought he had some slight genetic differences the next step in human evolution granted maybe i dont know what im talking about cause im also one of the those people think think Picard is actully his father

I think one of the scripts presented the idea that Wesley had voluntarily returned from his missions with the Traveler, preferring to regain his humanity. The book series about Riker's ship called the Titan, had Wesley joining that crew.

I'm guessing that the Traveler was just a modern day quack using his species powers to hook up with young boys. Probably had some kind of mental telepathy ability to make others sense the cessation of time and such. A drifter, as he was first seen being some schmuck assistant to an idiot who wore a Starfleet uniform, but he got travel passage to meet up with boys of different and diverse species. Looked for vulnerable boys, such as Wesley who didn't know their true identity. If there was a conversation in Nemesis, it would have looked like this: Picard: Wesley! It is so good to see you back. Geordi: Wes, what the hell happened anyway? Why are you back. Thought you were immortal or something? Wesley: No sir, I am rather embarassed to talk about it but my therapist said I should. Picard: Well, go on and tell us. Wesley: You see, the Traveller was a fake. He fooled me. Picard: I'm sorry to hear that. How did he fool you? Wesley: Well Sir, he only wanted my bottom and it was a trick to get it from me. Geordi: Whoa, Wes... It's okay to be that way. Picard: Indeed, Mr. Crusher. Starfleet is all for equal opportunities. Wesley: No sir, you do not understand. I am not gay. The Traveller fooled me by giving up what I have to him. Geordi: Come on Wes. It's time you admit it! Picard: Mr. Crusher, I order you to reveal your true feelings to help you heal. Wesley: Fuck this, I'm out.

Maybe he was bored. Then again, STTNG has shown both the Traveler and Q have shown an unusual interest in mankind in general and Starfleet in particular... Maybe Wesley is doing the equivalent of "homework". :)

That scene is non canon. It was deleted because the Traveller was jailed for possession of child pornography, meaning Wes lost his companion

Chris Hanson told the traveler to have a seat right over there.

Shining Time Station?

Yes, Billy Twofeathers, played by Tom Jackson.

In case you never got answer: Shining time Station was basically is to early Thomas the Tank engine as Power Rangers is to Super Sentai. (US adaption with local segments put in)

I remember watching both Shining Time Station and Star Trek The Next Generation as a six year old kid. I will admit, I really geeked out when I recognized Tom Jackson/Billy Twofeathers on Star Trek The Next Generation. That really made my childhood.

LOL, Canada, a country. You say funny things.

Richard M ...... Such as?

....and everyone else

Wesley is a Mary Sue. Simple as that.

It is jealousy. Mostly by crusty old guys that hate themselves and the world in general, but have a special hate for kids.

bullshit. If there was a Mary Sue in STTNG, it would be Q.

I don't understand why Wesley is so hated.

It was the bad writing. The reason he was written out was because his story arc didn't fit to begin with.

I am dying over here! lmao

Agreed, very creepy

@@scotttild Yes, one of the actors was called away unexpectedly.

lol

Dr. Crusher boning a space ghost wasn't an indication?

Agreed now all I can think about is how the traveler should be on to catch a predator.

When a Mexican can play a native American ohh the 90s

in fairness this particular episode was dogshit along with most of season 7

Screenrant ranked the episode among the 10 worst episodes the series based on its IMDb score. Screenrant criticized the heavy-handed moral lesson, as well as the ending, and wrote "that the show not only tripped over its feet, but fell flat on its face."[1] In 2014, Ars Technica included this episode in the list of the five worst episodes of the series along with "The Naked Now," "Rascals," "Angel One," and "Up the Long Ladder." "Journey's End" is criticized by hurriedly ending the story arc of Wesley Crusher, taking place in a Native American stereotype planet, and ending with a deus ex machina.[2] Journey's End has been called by some critics ridiculous and non-genuine with respect to the character of Jean-Luc Picard. The fact that he feels guilt over something an ancestor of his did several centuries ago does not fit his personality.[3] In 2021, Screen Rant noted that this marks the departure of Wesley to explore the universe with The Traveler, however they note that he does return in the 2002 film Nemesis. They felt this was not a contradiction, because it would be logical he would want to return where he felt most comfortable, with his Starfleet colleagues.[4] However, that same year they pointed out this was one of the bad character endings of Star Trek, and that his departure "seemed completely out of left field

Erik Charles And commits buggery with the Traveller

its called grooming

It's not about homosexuality (I assume that was a joke) it's about choosing the right path.

Daniel Williamson Perhaps. But the Traveller does have feelings for Wesley!

Hmm.

You mean into a "Hated non-corporeal super being".

21st Century Nonce

@@FreezinFury Think of him as a gentle monk, a teacher and Wesley is Grasshopper. :) (If you r too young ref King Fu, TV show.

@@misshepburn8086 more like a catholic priest than monk and we all know what catholic priest are like....creepy is being kind lol

@@FreezinFury lol... just lol 😂

+Timmy 14 good one!

Timmy 14 Obvious troll is obvious 😂

Timmy 14 I know this is probably a troll but it would be nice to hear somebody enjoy him.

Timmy 14 Wesley gets more criticism than he deserves

You're right Michael, you are the most obvious troll.