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Starring Kate Mulgrew as Captain Janeway

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@russrollins9978
@russrollins9978 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't really mind the way hostile species like the Kazon & the Vidiians disappeared later in the series. The way I looked at it Voyager was heading steadily towards the Alpha Quadrant and would eventually leave the territories of these early adversaries and enter the territories of new ones. It seemed consistent with what you would expect to happen.
@DrVictorVasconcelos
@DrVictorVasconcelos 2 жыл бұрын
Of course. I mean, Voyager was also fast af.
@flippos
@flippos 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a reasonable opinion on this. Thank you sir.
@LeslieDugger
@LeslieDugger 2 жыл бұрын
Kazons are just lame cardassians
@BustedHeart
@BustedHeart 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this assessment in a lot of ways, and having just binged the show a few weeks ago it is interesting how one of the few indicators Voyager gives you progression is just that. They have passed out of a species' territory and therefore will be seeing them less. While it's not a very compelling way to build tension, I think it's a cool atmospheric touch that the series has. However I wished Voyager had found ways to build more rounded satisfying arcs without just being like, "bye bye Kazon and all the story building."
@biguattipoptropica
@biguattipoptropica 2 жыл бұрын
​@@LUPART no it's actually always consistent with the area they're in. you even get an update that a treatment has been developed for the phage near the end, and getting that information to them required *work*.
@PatsyClinesDaughter
@PatsyClinesDaughter 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best shows ever made. This show helped me so much when I was in a horrible Heroin addiction. At times that I was depressed, at rock bottom, and had almost nothing to live for, I would watch Voyager and just be so happy. It’s more than a show to me
@DiaboloMootopia
@DiaboloMootopia 3 жыл бұрын
This is incredible.
@oS2006DE
@oS2006DE 3 жыл бұрын
Me, my middle school discovery that my life in the closet was really gonna suck for over 20 more years, and the Khan trilogy. Leonard Nimoy and James Horner saved my soul! Idk what it is worth lukewarmly regarded trek (st3 is the most important film to me in this regard) serving so well as a backdrop to some hard living, but there it is!
@agktk33
@agktk33 3 жыл бұрын
Bless you! I hope you are doing well!
@michaelstinson9030
@michaelstinson9030 3 жыл бұрын
@@oS2006DE Mom All my I'm
@meleecritical
@meleecritical 3 жыл бұрын
Hi 5. Me too my friend. Good old Voyager kept my mind off the sick a few shining times. Respect.
@VegarotFusion
@VegarotFusion 2 жыл бұрын
The worst thing about binge watching a Star Trek series, is when it ends.
@alexinfinite7142
@alexinfinite7142 2 жыл бұрын
Oof. That hurts lol. But it's true
@mmm-mmm
@mmm-mmm 2 жыл бұрын
correction. the worst thing about binge watching a star trek series is paying for the multiple streaming services that it will be moved to...
@haydengamingportal286
@haydengamingportal286 2 жыл бұрын
So true
@mmjahink
@mmjahink 2 жыл бұрын
Though the ending of Entreprise made me furious, in spite of how well they turned that show around
@hjspalenka
@hjspalenka Жыл бұрын
Binge the entire franchise, then by time you finish it'll be time to start over again.
@eatsandwichesonthursdays420
@eatsandwichesonthursdays420 3 жыл бұрын
"We Went too Fast and Became Lizards" is the worst thing ever and I kind of love it for that
@someidiot4311
@someidiot4311 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@Corbomite_Meatballs
@Corbomite_Meatballs 2 жыл бұрын
And they didn't even raise their kids. Shameful space lizards.
@nyk2000m
@nyk2000m 2 жыл бұрын
Actually Threshold was more watchable than Chakotay and his "Indian Heritage" episodes. Threshold = crazy, insane, absent minded, logic defying and really stupid. But it was fun to watch. Indian Heritage episodes made me fall asleep quickly.
@friedpickle8332
@friedpickle8332 2 жыл бұрын
@@nyk2000m Same. As a horror fan I really appreciated Threshold, and RDM's performance was great. Even though I like Chakotay, I skip his episodes every time.
@synnical77
@synnical77 2 жыл бұрын
@@karenwang313 Or written in the 1990's.
@aletheran8590
@aletheran8590 3 жыл бұрын
Best voyager character: the emergency command hologram
@renegadecut9875
@renegadecut9875 3 жыл бұрын
"Arm the photonic cannon."
@MizBelle
@MizBelle 3 жыл бұрын
I love him so much 😭
@kd8bxp
@kd8bxp 3 жыл бұрын
The emergency command hologram is one of the reasons I would choose the Doctor to be on my fantasy ship.
@mightress
@mightress 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutly agree. Probably best character development in all the series.
@Stefan-
@Stefan- 3 жыл бұрын
@@99baji99 A truly great actor.
@paulrogers1520
@paulrogers1520 3 жыл бұрын
When I was younger, Star Trek was always two things to me. Firstly, is the idea that we're all on the same team. The second is that science is awesome. Voyager did not deviate. I enjoyed it as the space adventure show it was at the time.
@dot-hubbard-i-luv-my-beretta
@dot-hubbard-i-luv-my-beretta 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, finally someone has defined what the Trek' means to me, that I could never articulate.. "Space adventure," that's it.♥️
@helenl3193
@helenl3193 3 жыл бұрын
Trek doesn't lie - we're all equal and should be on the same team, but that's not in the interests of the 1% so we've not got there yet... This is why Trek has to exist in a post-capitalism future. Also, science really IS awesome! 😁
@rusted_ursa
@rusted_ursa 3 жыл бұрын
❤ "We're all on the same team, and science is awesome" is my new house motto.
@peterbevair4400
@peterbevair4400 3 жыл бұрын
And thirdly. 7 of 9.
@battlesheep2552
@battlesheep2552 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was the shit when i first saw it, but it seems like it has a ton of flaws that an older audience can’t overlook
@Cptn.Viridian
@Cptn.Viridian 2 жыл бұрын
I think Voyager is actually the closest Trek to TOS. Hear me out: Voyager, by being flung into the Delta Quadrant, brought the show back to the days where anything goes. Not just anything goes because Q says so, but just because noone has been out this far. The isolation from their home just opens up so many opportunities for creativity, just like with TOS. In TNG and DS9, we are playing in an established area of space. Sure there is plenty to see, and we do plenty of exploring, but there is a limit to how crazy you can go within Federation known space. TOS was about a crew on a frontier, and in leiu of large seasonal arch's, TOS leaned into it's characters to dive head first into interesting ideas. Among my favorite of these ideas is when Voyager encounters a planet where time moves much, much faster, and they are able to observe a civilization develop, unknowingly being a sort of symbol for them in the process. It's the kind of one episode plot that feels bigger than an episode, like the classic TOS style of beaming down to a Planet adorned with fog machines and governed by an interesting idea. I'm just surprised that instead of seeing this side of Voyager, all the haters seem to look at the side that Voyager messed up on.
@tumkint
@tumkint 2 жыл бұрын
Superbly stated and you summarized exactly most fans love it!
@lyndonjames8607
@lyndonjames8607 2 жыл бұрын
This. So much this! Thank you.
@ssia6938
@ssia6938 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, I am becoming a big Voyager fan.
@startrekker6913
@startrekker6913 Жыл бұрын
You are entirely right and truly inspired
@lizzyeverett9603
@lizzyeverett9603 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I loved this Trek series and the character Chakotay, the most underused XO in Star Trek history. In the end he was more Starfleet than Janeway!
@ayday2338
@ayday2338 3 жыл бұрын
would love to see a whole video on why "Bride of Chaotica" is the best Trek holodeck episode of any series, and in the top five of all Trek episodes of any theme, bc it was a very rare example of a self-aware Trek poking fun at itself
@Dave-hp4vh
@Dave-hp4vh 3 жыл бұрын
The doctor seems like he should come off as irritating, but somehow he ends up being sincere and relatable and one of the best characters in all of Star Trek.
@toamatau8785
@toamatau8785 3 жыл бұрын
He is irritating. The key is that you make an irritating character grating on the other characters, but not to the audience. The Doctor world like that.
@binda33
@binda33 3 жыл бұрын
I loved his snark.
@marvenlunn6086
@marvenlunn6086 2 жыл бұрын
That was the McCoy programmed into him
@devonstart2758
@devonstart2758 2 жыл бұрын
the doctor is by far my favorite character on the show.
@marketingwithwilliam
@marketingwithwilliam 2 жыл бұрын
That's what "Woolsey" from Stargate..
@AK-ed4sn
@AK-ed4sn 3 жыл бұрын
I was raised on Voyager reruns by my Trekkie parents- Voyager was my mom's favorite, and she wanted her daughter to have a well-rounded, strong female role model like Janeway to look up to. To this day, Voyager is my favorite Trek, and Janeway is both my favorite captain and one of my all-time favorite characters. Watching her as a toddler made me realize that science wasn't just the domain of boys, and I'm not sure if I would be where I am now, going to school to become a paleoanthropologist, without seeing her. Also, Voyager was the subject of the first fanfiction I ever wrote (at age seven), where Janeway and Chakotay got together, and I 100% stand by that plot. J/C forever.
@PatsyClinesDaughter
@PatsyClinesDaughter 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your comment. It’s so inspiring to me to hear that she inspired you to become that, and I’m crying right now lol. So amazing 😭😭
@UMCorian
@UMCorian 3 жыл бұрын
Janeway was how you write a strong female lead.
@lizgrungequeen7727
@lizgrungequeen7727 3 жыл бұрын
@@doublestrokeroll I don't think Stewart is a better actor than Mulgrew. A controversial statement, but there; I said it.
@mckenzie.latham91
@mckenzie.latham91 3 жыл бұрын
I actually like Janeway as a captain and think she does belong with the list of great captains but i still think Voyager is mostly a bad written mess with wasted potential and promise for the amount of shining examples we have of what could have been given several gems of creativity and thought provided by the show.
@macswanton9622
@macswanton9622 3 жыл бұрын
Kate Mulgrew wrote a fascinating memoir, "Born with Teeth"
@EvilDragon666
@EvilDragon666 3 жыл бұрын
"Fought a macrovirus, got assimilated... STILL got her crew home." Best line in this video!
@Frogface91
@Frogface91 6 ай бұрын
I actually got emotional at this 😅
@coreyledin-bristol7068
@coreyledin-bristol7068 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager is my fav. It was on during the darkest time of my life and became a bright spot for me. Seven and The Doctor are some of the best characters in Trek. In my opinion.
@emmawatson9180
@emmawatson9180 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!! Fight on!
@raymondsalzwedel
@raymondsalzwedel 2 жыл бұрын
The Doctor and Seven's chemistry is so awkward, sexy, dynamic, and mutual, and they sang spectacularly together. Seven and Chicotay was contrived.
@trustyvault13canteen32
@trustyvault13canteen32 Жыл бұрын
Chief O'Brian slander is not allowed
@dracopticon7788
@dracopticon7788 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree!
@chaikris71
@chaikris71 4 ай бұрын
Yes agree. but Icheb conclusion was not well done in Picard.
@tomaytotomahto9906
@tomaytotomahto9906 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager is definitely my favorite Star Trek. It’s just got such a friendly, comforting feel to it; it feels like home. It was also the first Star Trek I watched when I was old enough to grasp the themes and characters fully, and Janeway was a really good role model for me as a little kid. It holds a lot of nostalgia for me and influenced me a lot.
@MontagZoso
@MontagZoso 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it does feel like home. 👍❤️
@ashlingteirney7543
@ashlingteirney7543 2 жыл бұрын
Janeway is the best captain in Star Trek and such a motherly figure, I adore her with all of my heart.
@mmm-mmm
@mmm-mmm 2 жыл бұрын
i think janeway was the best captain too. and voyager actually had a reason for doing what it was doing. tos/tng just seemed like they were always piddling around and just happened to be in the right place when they needed it to be there...
@hedgehobbit6844
@hedgehobbit6844 2 ай бұрын
Same. Voyager is the very first adult show my dad introduced me to, I think I was five. I have such good memories of that show. It really does feel like home.
@fp9204
@fp9204 3 жыл бұрын
"Imagine if Gul Dukat perished in an explosion-" *imagines it vividly and repeatedly*
@harmonetheanimationaddict4419
@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 3 жыл бұрын
Welp, now I know how the fandom feels about him.
@kenirainseeker539
@kenirainseeker539 2 жыл бұрын
@@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 He's a good character in that he's written well, but as a person he's a dirty snake and so it's satisfying when he gets hurt.
@VolrinSeth
@VolrinSeth 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenirainseeker539 I'd replace 'but as a person he's a dirty snake and so' with 'therefore'.
@gigiopincio5006
@gigiopincio5006 Жыл бұрын
or getting punched during a tv interview
@tayzonday
@tayzonday 2 жыл бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="135">2:15</a> I’m such a TNG nerd, I know which episodes the darker shades are without checking.
@michaelinlofi
@michaelinlofi Жыл бұрын
It's no mystery to me what the red one in season 7 is without checking. There's only one episode it could possibly be
@bongdarius333
@bongdarius333 5 ай бұрын
⁠@@michaelinlofiwithout searching imma go with code of honor
@Are_You_Sure_Bro
@Are_You_Sure_Bro 4 ай бұрын
@@bongdarius333 Code of Honor is season 1. He was referring to the season 7 episode Sub Rosa, the one about Crusher's grandmother and the ghost.
@digitalon01
@digitalon01 2 жыл бұрын
My wife and I have been rewatching Voyager recently and when we got to Equinox I realised how much wasted potential there was in just making it a two parter. Just imagine if the Equinox crew hadn't immediately betrayed Voyager and decided to travel home together. the writers could have easily stretched the Equinox story into a short multi episode arc(4-6 episodes IMO) where the Equinox crew endeared themselves to the Voyager crew and earned their trust through mutual cooperation only to have the Equinox crew turn around and stab them in the back! That would have made their betrayal that much more impactful and meaningful.
@DUDEBroHey
@DUDEBroHey 2 жыл бұрын
Herogin should've been 3 part. Equinox more than anything showed us that despite Janeway's sometimes questionable decisions it could've been much much worse.
@Kain-wk6xk
@Kain-wk6xk Жыл бұрын
I think its nice that the equinox crew are a dark mirror to the original crew and i like how both captains start to embody a bit more of eachother as the 2 parter goes on. I think the greater waste of potential is in how voyager as a series, specifically calls into question the prime directive. Its why so far, i think Blink of an eye is my favouriite episode. You see the effect of voyagers existence causing a whole society to develop with the common goal of reaching the stars instead of the stereotypical 'developing a religion' thing. I think it would have been nicer if the series did more of that and attempted to critically examine if there were merits to this approach. You could have the borg threat be the thing that incites discussion on whether we arm helpless civillizations to prevent Borg assimilation as it would constitute a less severe violation of the prime directive then allowing the Borg to assimilate them.
@tgreythorne45
@tgreythorne45 Жыл бұрын
They could have stretched Equinox into an entire season "Lost and found" episodes, ship and or crew "False flag" destroy one and suddenly it reappears having warped away "Cupid / High School strikes" again, all the relationships and shakeups of current relationships Then the reveal... ON A SEASON FINALE!! Dun, dun, DUN! LOL
@nagash303
@nagash303 5 ай бұрын
I am all for it. Year of Kazon (or 2) Year of Vidiians Year of Borg Year of Hell Year of Equinox Year of Malon Year of Hirogen Did I forget any important?
@marktimothy6371
@marktimothy6371 3 жыл бұрын
"I will always remember her fondly, as a child woman who ate bugs that one time" had me dying. Fantastic, 10/10
@Inignot12
@Inignot12 3 жыл бұрын
"I'll remember her fondly, as the child-woman who ate bugs" 😆 🤣 😂
@erinocelotl3578
@erinocelotl3578 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much sums up why I like her lol, not the best character but she was so kind and I think that's pretty admirable of her. The amount of compassion she had, and also her innocence was cute :D
@EvilDragon666
@EvilDragon666 3 жыл бұрын
@@erinocelotl3578 Not to mention how AWESOME she looked with long wavy hair later on! Really sad what happened to Jennifer Lien afterwards...
@paigespears2106
@paigespears2106 2 жыл бұрын
I personally really liked Kes! I felt like her character did a really good job accentuating the best qualities out of the rest of the cast. She was a foil to a lot of characters; Janeway, the doctor, and Tuvoc, and I don't think Voyager would be quite the same without her. Because she was more a civilian that lived on the ship then an actual member of the crew, I think that's why other characters were able to act in different ways. Janeway was sweet and almost mother-like when talking with Kes, and I really enjoyed seeing that part of Janeway when she was usually focused on being a headstrong captain for her crew (which is just as equally cool to watch, but seeing different sides of Janeway was fun). Kes was a major part of the Doctor's character growth as well. I think the reason why the writers had Kes as a nurse was for the doctor and Kes to learn from each other. The doctor was not good at all with talking with his patients in the beginning, and Kes was one of the people who helped him understand the importance of socializing and empathy the most. She encouraged the doctor to learn new things, and she believed he was more than his programming. I feel like the doctor almost learned more from her than she did from him. And I really enjoyed seeing Kes's interactions with Tuvoc. Being a Vulcan, there are times where I found it hard to learn more about him when he was so blunt. But with Kes, the audience not only gets to learn about Kes's abilities, but more about how Vulcan's abilities work as well. And Tuvoc mentioned how he had a family with two(?) sons at home, and I always wondered how Vulcans would treat their offspring and show affection. Even though Kes wasn't a Vulcan, I feel like her apprentice role showed how Vulcans would teach their children and how they would act when caring about someone (platonically). And I hear a lot about how the viewers say that the writers of star trek "didn't know where to go with Kes" and "Kes's potential was squandered". Maybe that's the case. I have only just come across this view, and I'll have to think about it more. But I always thought she was pretty well written. I thought the "uncertain aspect" of her character was appealing. She had the potential to go many places in life, and she didn't know where she was going to go, and sometimes questioned what she wanted in to do in life. The episode where she started aging rapidly showed how one of the futures she could possibly have was marrying Tom Paris and raising a family. Or that one episode where she almost decides to leave the ship with another alien (forgot the episode) because she felt like it was important for her personal growth, but in the end, decided to stay on voyager because she wasn't quite ready yet. I remember Janeway telling Kes how she and the crew would support her decision to leave the crew, but until then, she would always have a home on Voyager. That scene was so sweet to watch. To me, she felt like a young character in the process of growing up and developing her own wings, learning from the more experienced people around her, until she was able to grow up and leave on her own and choose one of the many directions she could go in life. And when she was written off and 7of9 was introduced, I thought they wrote her off with dignity, and her character arc came to a satisfying conclusion. The only thing I didn't really like was her relationship with Neelix. Kes felt really child/teen/young adult coded, and it was kinda creepy seeing her date someone who felt and looked a lot older than her. And I felt like Neelix's character suffered when he was dating Kes. He was the self assigned "morale officer", but a lot of the times he would start conflict over his jealousy over Kes making friends with Male crewmates on voyager, and I found that really annoying to watch, and painted Neelix in a more negative light. And now that I think about it, Kes's powers did seem to get a bit overpowered near the end. Welp. I'll have to think more about this. But overall, I really liked Kes.
@katyskye
@katyskye 4 ай бұрын
I loved Kes. I really think 7 and Kes could of both been on the ship ☹️ I don’t think there roles overlap too much like ugh
@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God
@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God 29 күн бұрын
I agree for the most part. Her relationship with the doctor was the best aspect of her character, and quite important to the doctors arc
@foxmulder2011
@foxmulder2011 2 жыл бұрын
I really loved Kes, even if the writing was bad, she was a kind and curious character and she didn't deserve so much hate
@tsplayliist4511
@tsplayliist4511 6 ай бұрын
Me Too! She was not the one they wanted to fire, but a TV guide cover put her on the chopping block. She had some fantastic acting moments. I don't understand the dislike for her. It's NOT deserved.
@PixelPipkin06
@PixelPipkin06 5 ай бұрын
Same, I liked her character , I don't particularly like the episode when she comes back either, angry n older etc, cos even at the end of it, she's just cold n not the character we liked at all, I would have rather us just not seen her again after "the gift" Originally it way Harry Kim on the chopping block, til he was voted one of the top sexiest guys or Something like that, so Kes got the chop instead
@FMK03
@FMK03 Ай бұрын
I think Kes would have benefited from having an encounter with a Q, where she would learn that the reason why Ocampa have short lifespans was because the Q altered them to have extremely short lifespans as a result of their bloody history, which, in turn, would result in them becoming a weak species who could never fulfil their potential (both technology-wise and mental ability-wise), thus showing one of many possible fates for humanity had Picard failed his many tests at the hands of Q. This would give her an arc all throughout the show of her own where she tries to convince the Q to return the Ocampa their old life spans back, which are in human range. I realise this would be too similar to Picard's journey throughout The Next Generation, but it would at least connect to a constant theme that was present in the same era that started the era Voyager was on, while also giving Kes and her species a more important and prominent role in the story. Kes and the Ocampa would actually receive small boosts to their youth spans across Voyager, which would help explain why and how Kes gets to stay as young-looking on the show. For those wondering, the Q would be entirely different compared to the one The Next Generation crew encountered, you could even have HER, yes, HER be played by an actress for those that are intrigued by the idea.
@wabicajo
@wabicajo 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager has such great moments and great characters that the low points are heartbreaking. Also Tuvok is the best Vulcan since Spock.
@agktk33
@agktk33 3 жыл бұрын
100 Percent THIS!
@TheBest-sd2qf
@TheBest-sd2qf 3 жыл бұрын
He is better than spock I believe.
@engage1942
@engage1942 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBest-sd2qf I'm not sure about "better" but his character enriched Vulcans by a big deal. It was a great pleasure to watch him on Voyager
@chapterbychapter1700
@chapterbychapter1700 2 жыл бұрын
That's only like, 9 Vulcans.
@Lilmiket1000
@Lilmiket1000 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBest-sd2qf I agree with this. I also agree that he was a better vulcan than spock in my opinion. Spock dove into emotions. But Tubok was always sooo soooo careful with his wording and his dealings with emotions. He always made it clear where he stands emotion wise.
@jaredjones1752
@jaredjones1752 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite episode is the one where they get caught in the atmosphere of that time-distorted planet where each second on Voyager equals a day on the planet's surface. What a great episode (yes, I know it was based on a TOS ep.), and I'm also intrigued by the fan theory that the inhabitants of that planet evolved into the Q Continuum. Voyager has so many episodes that have stood the test of time.
@marketingwithwilliam
@marketingwithwilliam 2 жыл бұрын
What was the name of that episode?
@ChrisTheDuck20
@ChrisTheDuck20 2 жыл бұрын
There's a theory that they become the Q? Wait, that makes so much sense! Who else would become the Q that a species evolving and developing at such an accelerated rate
@flinty8121
@flinty8121 2 жыл бұрын
@@marketingwithwilliam Blink of an eye.
@DarthMajora
@DarthMajora 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisTheDuck20 nice profile picture lol
@explorinjenkins349
@explorinjenkins349 2 жыл бұрын
That episode is actually based on the book Dragon's Egg. Really cool idea.
@Dairina321
@Dairina321 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! I tend to agree on every aspect, except I think Janeway deserves a little more praise for having arguably the most challenging choices and consistently making good overall decisions with them.
@foxbutterfly-eden7030
@foxbutterfly-eden7030 2 жыл бұрын
As an indigenous person, I have mixed feelings about Chacotay. On one hand, it’s nice that there is leading role representation of indigenous peoples and the importance of spirituality and culture to many of us. And it was interesting to see how future tech might be incorporated into traditional culture, especially in relation to spirituality. On the other hand, his representation is monolithic and bolsters the common view that all indigenous cultures are the same. While in the future, and while indigenous cultures influence each other a grow closer in some ways, it’s still a poor representation. So yeah. Mixed bag. But hell, considering we constantly get ignored at every turn in social discourse, it’s still kinda nice to be recognized as more than just a sports mascot even if the representation is shoddy
@Frommerman
@Frommerman 2 жыл бұрын
Also the guy they hired to help them design the character wasn't even indigenous. They didn't know that at the time, but he was running a kind of fake cultural consultant scam on a bunch of people. I agree that we can and should give them points for trying where so many others just don't try at all, but the attempt was deeply flawed in a host of ways.
@trendy_gwendy
@trendy_gwendy Жыл бұрын
I just think he embodies so much of the laziest stereotypes of Natives in mainstream fiction, particularly stereotypes around Native men. He’s stoic, macho, violent, and filled with vague new age “spirituality” that is without fail used to further the emotional development of the non-Native characters. Star Trek to me has always been about progressive representation, and to see the ball fumbled so hard on Indigenous peoples in a way that’s never been corrected is painful for me
@Are_You_Sure_Bro
@Are_You_Sure_Bro 4 ай бұрын
They had to make a tough decision. Chakotay could either be a member of an actual tribe, which means they'd have to do research and try to be accurate or else it would offend that tribe, and it would instantly exclude everyone from all of the other tribes. Or they could make him a generic Native American and hope that all of the real indigenous peoples of the world would find something about him to identify with. I think they made the right decision.
@Kiss_My_Aspergers
@Kiss_My_Aspergers 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sad that "Voyager is actually great" is an 'unpopular opinion'. =(
@MrMelkor98
@MrMelkor98 3 жыл бұрын
I know, right? I'm suprised as well, it's always been my favourite (well, maybe next to TNG).
@TheXeldrak
@TheXeldrak 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I think this opinion isn't as unpopular as it was in the nineties. The people are comming around to Voyager.
@HanneleKormano
@HanneleKormano 3 жыл бұрын
I've started stanning Voyager in conversation more often these days and it's slightly less unpopular than you might think! Usually there are one or two people who speak up like, thank you, yes, me too! It's probably one of the reasons I'm a software engineer today.
@Zipplandia
@Zipplandia 3 жыл бұрын
It’s my favorite followed by TNG and enterprise, then DS9 and the original being last
@juandesalgado
@juandesalgado 3 жыл бұрын
A few stinkers, but "Blink of an eye", "Pathfinder", "Life line" and "Author, author" were great stories. And "Bride of Chaotica" was delightfully over the top.
@petrus4
@petrus4 3 жыл бұрын
A list of Kes' features and benefits:- a} Kes was a potential Charles Xavier. She exhibits telepathy, (which on one occasion she employs as a weapon) ability as a live clairvoyant lookout, and very powerful telekinesis. b} Kes was the ship's nurse; a role that both her emotional temperament and her physical profile were ideal for. Anyone reading this comment who is a nurse, will know that I don't really need to add anything else to this point, to emphasise Kes' value; especially when you consider some of the situations which *Voyager* got itself into. When Kes left, Tom Paris had to take her role; and as much as I like Tom as a character, that was a job which should have been given to someone else. Nursing was Tom taking a bullet for the team, and doing something he disliked while screwing up his face into a smile for his patients. It was duty, but it was not fundamentally part of who he was. c} Kes was a farmer (or harvester, at least) in the hydroponics bay, and if memory serves it was she who suggested the idea of the hydroponics bay to Janeway. d} Kes was the first advocate for the rights of the Doctor as a sentient being. In-universe, she was instrumental in the Doctor's evolution from a surgeon bot to a suprano. We would not have the Doctor as we later knew him, if it had not been for her.
@thenikkihuff
@thenikkihuff 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was weird that they assigned Tom to sick bay after Kes left. He’s the main pilot, doesn’t he have enough to do? Aren’t there like 140 other crew members wandering around the ship that we have the potential to flesh out a little?
@isabelleblanchet3694
@isabelleblanchet3694 3 жыл бұрын
Kes was sweet. We have to remember she was only 1 year old when she joined the crew. You don't have time to become a hard person with a plethora of skills when you are only 1 year old and lived sheltered in an underground society. I see her as the Voyager Version of Wesley Crusher in TNG and Jake Sisko in DS9. A character that has to grow up.
@antonioscendrategattico2302
@antonioscendrategattico2302 3 жыл бұрын
Really, the only issue with Kes was how she was sent off. It made absolutely no sense.
@binda33
@binda33 3 жыл бұрын
Kes as a character had potential had they changed things around a bit. Unfortunately, while she was sweet, that's all she was. It would have helped for her to appear just a bit more intelligent and given her a touch of snark or spark. She was just a little too bland for me, as written. It's a shame. I also agree that putting in Tom as a replacement nurse made no sense. Harry would have made a good nurse imo.
@FMK03
@FMK03 Ай бұрын
I think Kes would have benefited from having an encounter with a Q, where she would learn that the reason why Ocampa have short lifespans was because the Q altered them to have extremely short lifespans as a result of their bloody history, which, in turn, would result in them becoming a weak species who could never fulfil their potential (both technology-wise and mental ability-wise), thus showing one of many possible fates for humanity had Picard failed his many tests at the hands of Q. This would give her an arc all throughout the show of her own where she tries to convince the Q to return the Ocampa their old life spans back, which are in human range. I realize this would be too similar to Picard's journey throughout The Next Generation, but it would at least connect to a constant theme that was present in the same era that started the era Voyager was on, while also giving Kes and her species a more important and prominent role in the story. Kes and the Ocampa would actually receive small boosts to their youth spans across Voyager, which would help explain why and how Kes gets to stay as young-looking on the show. For those wondering, the Q would be entirely different compared to the one The Next Generation crew encountered, you could even have the Q in question be a she for those that are intrigued by the idea. I had to post this twice already on this and another thread. Edit: I posted this on the other thread and this one because for some reason the number of replies was still the same, now they've gone up to include my replies. I'm still keeping them up, though.
@ulrichunterbrunner3603
@ulrichunterbrunner3603 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager is much more family than the other shows. The side characters are always in and between and mostly the same actors throughout the show. I have always bonded more with them than with any other crew.
@MontagZoso
@MontagZoso 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. 👍❤️
@yiqingtan4079
@yiqingtan4079 Жыл бұрын
Same
@logiclight
@logiclight 6 ай бұрын
Yup.
@stephjovi
@stephjovi 2 жыл бұрын
I really like it. I watched it as a teenager and researched it Resently. Absolutely loved it. The premise of having to fight for yourself in an unknown part of the universe. Not being able to call for backup from the Federation Needing to find materials to restock and repair the ship making deals finding allies.
@MizBelle
@MizBelle 3 жыл бұрын
Ohh, you should have mentioned B’lanna’s mini arc where she is traumatized over her survivor’s guilt when she finds out her old rebel friends are all dead. That felt...weirdly realistic as far as mental health issues in Star Trek, and I was impressed at its inclusion and how it lasted more than one episode.
@MizBelle
@MizBelle 3 жыл бұрын
Also, my 7 of 9 made me cry moment is when she tells the old dead earth astronaut who won the World Series or whatever before they shoot his coffin into space 😭
@mckenzie.latham91
@mckenzie.latham91 3 жыл бұрын
lasting more than one episode was unique and rare for the show, hence why it’s not regarded as well as say DS9 that came out at the same time, after seeing how DS9 was able to carry character arcs, and development across seasonal arcs and etc. giving them proper time to be flushed out compared to voyagers almost 100% status quo each episode story telling is why the show is a mess and never caught on among other things.
@histguy101
@histguy101 3 жыл бұрын
@@mckenzie.latham91 Please point to the rule where Star Trek can only be of good quality when it adopts the format of a soap opera. It's most beloved and famous episodes do not do this. Star Trek at its best is telling hour long, self contained sci fi stories and character studies, just like crime dramas at their best tell hour long, self contained murder mysteries. Voyager was able to balance this well.
@engage1942
@engage1942 2 жыл бұрын
@@mckenzie.latham91 too bad that the only plus of ds9 is the character development, even tho a few worked... They could have tried to write some good story driven scripts instead and not bs us with the prophets and the dominion for 7 seasons
@engage1942
@engage1942 2 жыл бұрын
@@histguy101 this. Voyager balanced it very well. Better than all shows that came before
@thechristinaccruz
@thechristinaccruz 3 жыл бұрын
I've never felt so validated in this fandom in my life, it's always so hard to find people that genuinely like Voyager, it's not perfect but it was and still kinda is my favourite, and damn I'll defend it, so thanks for all your great points.
@MontagZoso
@MontagZoso 3 жыл бұрын
My husband and I love it best too. ❤️
@engage1942
@engage1942 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. It's Star Trek made perfectly. It combined all that came before and did it well.
@MKRex
@MKRex 2 жыл бұрын
The gay & girls love Voyager.
@Lilmiket1000
@Lilmiket1000 2 жыл бұрын
I personally love voyager more than the rest too. Enterprise was pretty good too though. Deep space 9 had a lot of boring going on but when it was good it was really good too. But above all voyager was my fav. Capt. Janeway really made it feel like you were there and everyone was part of the crew. Voyager did not get the props it deserves because too many people are stuck in the past and think a female should not call the shots. Our civilization in real life has been held back sooooo many decades and possibly centuries because POC and females are not considered as important or as smart as others. What a shame.
@heyitsmikegaming
@heyitsmikegaming 2 жыл бұрын
Voyager is one of the strongest trek only outpaced by ds9 but only very slightly
@pknuttarlott4934
@pknuttarlott4934 3 жыл бұрын
I made a life rule along time ago. "Don't sweat the small stuff". I watch star trek to entertain me, knowing these actors work hard to entertain me. I accept it for the story they are telling and not stress small continuity errors. I have watched every episode of star trek. I like it all. Just enjoy the story or change the channel, In my opinion.
@ashlingteirney7543
@ashlingteirney7543 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for defending this series! It is actually in my top two favorites in the entire Star Trek lineup and it deserves so much more credit than it gets. As for Janeway being written as tough vs mean I actually think that, overall at least, the series did a pretty good job of showing a different kind of strength than most tough female characters. She can be hard on the crew but even when she's chewing someone out it more often comes in disappointed looks and quiet regret and you see the crew respond to that. She doesn't need to yell at or berate them and I definitely got a strict but fair mom vibe. So much of her strength comes from her compassion and her protective nature over the people she leads and I like that we saw her be human and soft and feminine without it turning into a storyline where people question her authority because of it. I felt like she was allowed to be feminine and still strong and intelligent while also not being hypersexualized. There are, of course, some exceptions where you can tell in one or two episodes that someone took over writing for her and the portrayal gets a little inconsistent but I feel like through the majority of the series she was a well rounded character that subverted the idea that she had to be unfeeling and cruel to be strong. She's honestly my favorite Star Trek captain.
@bethanyconboy4481
@bethanyconboy4481 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager is my favorite ST series. It was my introduction to ST. I used to watch it every day after school with my dad. I have a super special place in my heart for Janeway especially as I hadn’t come across a woman in charge in sci fi before. I’m watching it with my husband on Netflix now and rediscovering how much I love it. I think Janeway and Chakotay should have ended up together. Just bc a woman is the leader doesn’t mean she can’t have a personal life and quite frankly if they were going to be travelling home for 70yrs, Voyager was going to need to be a generational ship. Who better to model that then the captain? Man I love this show
@toby9999
@toby9999 2 жыл бұрын
Janeway is the main reason I don't watch the show. She has to be one of the most irritating actors ever.
@levadamusic
@levadamusic 7 ай бұрын
​@@toby9999you don't know what great acting is that's is your problem
@ennuibarbie
@ennuibarbie 3 жыл бұрын
When my Trek friends would argue over who was the better captain Kirk or Picard I always loved Janeway.
@dodiswatchbobobo
@dodiswatchbobobo 3 жыл бұрын
I always felt like if Janeway had a penis there wouldn’t even be an argument. She gets shit done gives no fucks and goes down with her ship, like a real goddamn captain. No one’s better.
@airshow406
@airshow406 3 жыл бұрын
Kate Mulgrew is an absolute queen.
@sanityisrelative
@sanityisrelative 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think I rank Sisko first, Janeway second, and Picard third.
@wukong2282
@wukong2282 3 жыл бұрын
@@dodiswatchbobobo except Ben MFin Sisko. No Captain has had to deal with the weight than man had hefted upon his shoulders
@Stephen-Fox
@Stephen-Fox 3 жыл бұрын
Sisko for me. But Janeway is definitely underrated.
@viralmasquerade
@viralmasquerade 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager has its problems, but I love it. I love the characters. "Oooh, I love Harry! Oooh, I love the Doctor! Oooh, I love Janeway!" That was me for pretty close to every character featured. 😛
@WaxTheDolphin
@WaxTheDolphin 2 жыл бұрын
The doctor owned it. The actor also played minor roles in Stargate. He really stole the scenes wherever he acted.
@RaptorMocha
@RaptorMocha Жыл бұрын
every series has its own problems, thats just how making anything is.
@michaelharrington7656
@michaelharrington7656 2 жыл бұрын
B'Elanna is my favourite character. Her fire warms and scolds and overcomes what might have been a tragic destiny. Tom Paris is the character I most envy.
@socialistether6788
@socialistether6788 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I hate this channel, challenging my formed concepts from twenty five years ago, now I have to re-watch 7 seasons of voyager.....I have things to do man!
@nunyabidniz2868
@nunyabidniz2868 3 жыл бұрын
If you watched it all those years ago, you already know who the characters are & their back-stories and can skip the 1st two seasons w/ Kess' annoying character arc & focus on seasons 3+ when the show came into its stride... :t
@Ac3OfWands
@Ac3OfWands 3 жыл бұрын
@@nunyabidniz2868 Did you not watch the video you're commenting on? The first two seasons had some great episodes - I actually think Season 1 of Voyager is the strongest first season of a 90s era Trek show.
@somea2v
@somea2v 3 жыл бұрын
For what it's worth, my poor perceptions of Voyager changed immediately after watching Discovery and Picard. I went back and watched Voyager and absolutely adored it after those edgy dumpster fires.
@andrewh1189
@andrewh1189 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@vijay-c
@vijay-c 3 жыл бұрын
I too watched it as it came out, but I really don't feel that the video addressed the central problem with voyager - 0 character growth (well, nearly 0; Seven & the Doctor thankfully managed to force the writers into letting them evolve). When a main character like Harry Kim gets less character growth than third tier characters like Nog & Rom in DS9, it leaves you thinking what could have been with better writing - specially as the premise was so compelling. Sure it's got good individual episodes, but ultimately it's less than the sum of it's parts & that's a problem this video unfortunately fails to address.
@robotrightsactivist
@robotrightsactivist 3 жыл бұрын
I’m into season 5 of Voyager and honestly, the core concept of this series is so compelling that VOY would work and even excel as a stand-alone series if the idea were removed from the overall Star Trek universe. The journey home trope truly pulls its weight throughout the seasons.
@emn2375
@emn2375 3 жыл бұрын
I'm always disappointed when people remember Seven as nothing more than eye candy, she had the best development in Voyager imo. (But seriously, why is this efficient woman going on away missions in four inch heels, that did always stick out to me)
@JanMichalSzulew
@JanMichalSzulew 2 жыл бұрын
And then they flushed it all in the toilet with ST:Picard.
@PamSesheta
@PamSesheta 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up with Voyager and DS9, so I have a very deep and sincere appreciation of these shows in spite of their flaws.
@pknuttarlott4934
@pknuttarlott4934 3 жыл бұрын
When Paris was demoted. Kim being operations department head should have been able to get bumped up a rank since there was an open Lt. rank on board.
@flappysquirrel5132
@flappysquirrel5132 2 жыл бұрын
The lack of promotions for Harry Kim had more to do with his actor, really. Garrett Wang tried to do story suggestions and was completely shot down by the producers, if I remember right.
@erinocelotl3578
@erinocelotl3578 2 жыл бұрын
@@raptornugget5385 what was his problem with Wang? :(
@renrants
@renrants 3 жыл бұрын
I've always said Voyager has been unfairly maligned in the Trek Fandom. I adore Voyager.
@709mash
@709mash 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. While some episodes were just bad, on the whole they mixed things up a bit and weren't afraid to take some risks. It kept trek from being stale.
@jonathanmays2619
@jonathanmays2619 3 жыл бұрын
Me too. It's my favorite Star Trek series
@Desmaad
@Desmaad 3 жыл бұрын
It was my mom's fave.
@animateddepression
@animateddepression 3 жыл бұрын
It's so easy to see how much drama there was behind the scenes. Not just actors, but in the writer's room and with producers trying to throw their weight around.
@OrtadragoonX
@OrtadragoonX 2 жыл бұрын
@@animateddepression Yeah definitely. Early TNG had the same problems. I think the reason later TNG and DS9 as a whole (although S1 of DS9 is rough at times) are so awesome is because the show runners, producers, and writers were all on the same page. By the time Voyager was being developed there were a ton of troubles behind the scenes. DS9 mostly avoided the struggle by having a very independent writing team who more often than not told Berman to screw off. TNG ended before the craziness started. Voyager caught the brunt of the chaos behind the scenes.
@dirrrtydawg9772
@dirrrtydawg9772 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion DS9 is the best Trek show. It's literally a reenactment of WWII in space. Loved every minute of it. And, the cast was amazing. And yes, I loved Voyager as well. The EMH is my favorite character in Voyager.
@gorbachevdhali4952
@gorbachevdhali4952 2 жыл бұрын
The dominion war is the most epic Sci fi conflict to ever grace tv screens.
@Psiros
@Psiros 3 жыл бұрын
"It will never be Pon Farr Night at the Vulcan night club." made me laugh more than it should have. LoL
@HeroesLeftInMan
@HeroesLeftInMan 3 жыл бұрын
People who actually watched Voyager: We know.
@mckenzie.latham91
@mckenzie.latham91 3 жыл бұрын
I watched voyager and i still say it’s a poorly written mess that has some shinning examples of creativity, promise, and thought
@miguelbranquinho7235
@miguelbranquinho7235 3 жыл бұрын
@@mckenzie.latham91 A few fantastic episodes in a sea of bland mediocrity.
@MrFlo5787
@MrFlo5787 3 жыл бұрын
@@miguelbranquinho7235 Medicore Star Trek is still above average TV
@retrofuturepi
@retrofuturepi 3 жыл бұрын
Haha
@mr.anonymous5369
@mr.anonymous5369 3 жыл бұрын
"Fun will now commence"
@HatCake
@HatCake 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up with Voyager on UPN soo heck yes
@Hirochicken
@Hirochicken 3 жыл бұрын
Hercules, Xena, and Voyger were a perfect chaser to the sunday morning UPN cartoons
@sanityisrelative
@sanityisrelative 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager is the only Trek I watched from pilot to finale as it aired. It's got such warm nostalgia for me.
@GoldKingsMan
@GoldKingsMan 3 жыл бұрын
I watched the whole show on Horror channel while back,Scifi hour.
@saxbob2006
@saxbob2006 3 жыл бұрын
Same here!!!
@meowisol
@meowisol 3 жыл бұрын
Same!! We didn't have cable until I got a bit older, so that's what my Mom and I watched. Voyager and Xena the Warrior Princess.
@burieddreamer
@burieddreamer 2 жыл бұрын
Voyager is the only ship that actually was in an exploratory circumstance after Kirk's Enterprise.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta 2 жыл бұрын
Even more so than Kirk's Enterprise. Yeah, in TOS we hear all the time 'its five year mission' in the intro but they've always been in reach to the next starbase. They've never been cut off from the Federation like Voyager.
@CookingwithYarda
@CookingwithYarda 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I feel down, I construct in my head a off grid colony inspired by Voyager. It's hard to explain, but I do draw down the entire colony kind of cooperative homestead. Thanks to this I've learn a great deal about computers, technology in general, hydro-aero-aquaponic systems, solar generating and storage, liquid based batteries, composting, water purification, different building construction techniques, cooking, open source software and hardware and many more.
@meganb2304
@meganb2304 3 жыл бұрын
Title: Star Trek Voyager was good? Me: Always has been 🔫
@blackwater4100
@blackwater4100 3 жыл бұрын
I know right? TNG, DS9 and VOY are my all time favourites when it comes to classic Star Trek. One might like one series over another (for me TNG is the absolute best) but in general it's all true Star Trek which I really enjoyed.
@hivemind8927
@hivemind8927 3 жыл бұрын
@@blackwater4100 YESSSSS
@pfoster1666
@pfoster1666 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager is what really turned my wife into a Trek fan (DS9 solidified it). They are like family to us. After going through the whole 7-year run (for the 3rd time), I have come to the conclusion that what really made the show, more than any other character... was Captain Janeway. Yes, her behavior was sometimes erratic and changed according to what the script required, but remember the writers were walking a tightrope in the 90's - couldn't make her too strong (overbearing b*tch), or too weak (p*ssing off progressives). But she IS one of the great captains, who cares for her crew yet makes the tough decisions. And Kate Mulgrew really SELLS her. I now appreciate Kate's superb acting more than ever, and realize she was the lynchpin of the show.
@pfoster1666
@pfoster1666 3 жыл бұрын
I also wanted to add: An episode I recently watched called "Extreme Risk". I never cared too much for B'ellana Torres until I watched this episode (for the 3rd time...). In case you are not aware, Torres is acting out more and more risky behavior. When confronted by Tom, she admits that she feels... NOTHING. She was taking all the risks to feel something, ANYTHING. I had recently felt that way, and because I am married I felt guilty, as if I was not a good man or husband for feeling (NOT feeling) this. The episode made me think... it's a HUMAN thing, it happens... get over it and move on, you DO love your wife, this is just a funk. Thank you, Roxanne...
@retrofuturepi
@retrofuturepi 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@carrieklusek3034
@carrieklusek3034 3 жыл бұрын
I named my daughter Annika. At age 8 she asked me why I named her after a robot. Shut up and watch young one. Be happy i didn't name you Entropy.
@AceOfBlackjack
@AceOfBlackjack 3 жыл бұрын
What?
@lenbuckholtz2740
@lenbuckholtz2740 3 жыл бұрын
To little Annika: Be glad she did not name you Neelix! :-) an old grandpa
@dashcamandy2242
@dashcamandy2242 2 жыл бұрын
You could have been a Battlestar Galactica fan and named her "6." lol
@Nickelodeon81
@Nickelodeon81 9 ай бұрын
You should have named her Satan's Robot
@MontagZoso
@MontagZoso 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO much for this and well done! I adore Voyager and DS9. They both easily surpassed TNG for me. Loved your exploration of the characters and their different relationship dynamics. Bravo! BTW...I agree...TNG ruined the Borg, not Voyager and I too shed a tear when One refused the doctor’s help. 😢
@allank534
@allank534 Жыл бұрын
I found that VOY made the Borg interesting and really opened them up as an enemy rather than them just being ‘big bad guys’.
@ummmmmmmmmmmnmmmm
@ummmmmmmmmmmnmmmm Жыл бұрын
I've just finished the show and seeing you mention the first seasons, specifically "The Chute" just unlocked feelings I had completely forgotten I had for the show. I think focusing on Seven and The Doctor in the later seasons was a great decision don't get me wrong they're the best characters however, they're also the coldest characters in the show. Characters like Tom, Harry and Chakotay had a warmth to them that balanced out Janeway and Tuvok. The later seasons never had an episode like "The Chute" that was just a classic sci-fi story about doing everything to protect your friend against all odds. I think my biggest gripe with the show is with how they handled B'Elanna. I know Chakotay was kind of forgotten about but I don't think it's that weird for him to choose to stay with Starfleet. B'Elanna on the other hand should've had some desire to check in with the Maquis. When they had 1 on 1 videocalls near the end of the series, the writers only cared about B'Elanna's relationship with her father. WHAT ABOUT THE MAQUIS! Paris is supposed to be the one with daddy issues, B'Elanna is the one who inflicted self harm because of her survivors guilt as a Maquis. Also B'Elanna's relationship with Janeway and Chakotay was so interesting in season 1 and then it was just non-existent in later seasons. She only had a relationship with Paris and her Dad. She was one of my favourite characters but she just wasn't given enough love from the writers.
@lizgrungequeen7727
@lizgrungequeen7727 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager was always my favourite Star Trek show. Watching it feels like coming home.
@MontagZoso
@MontagZoso 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. 😎👍
@engage1942
@engage1942 2 жыл бұрын
This.
@CheziahKatt
@CheziahKatt 3 жыл бұрын
Tuvok is one of my absolute favorite vulcans
@grinnylein
@grinnylein 3 жыл бұрын
I just seemed so secured and at home in his skin. Sure there were moments when he was uncomfortable, but he never had to prove his Vukcaness to anyone or himself and he was able to learn and see the good points others made that didn't think like him
@mayakane9978
@mayakane9978 3 жыл бұрын
Dude that episode where Tuvok gets emotional freaks me out. I seriously feel like he was into Neelix in that episode
@KA-bv1wc
@KA-bv1wc 3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t even watched yet and I cannot thank you enough! Best Star Trek series in my opinion and it makes me sad more people don’t connect with it. The strong female characters were so valuable and important to me ❤️ thank you!!!
@randomfish18
@randomfish18 Жыл бұрын
I grew up with Voyager more than any other Star Trek film or series. The doctor was the most engaging character for me, and the episode with his hologram family--and the scene where he comforts his daughter as she dies--always breaks me!
@Kmadden2004
@Kmadden2004 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve always viewed the “why is the number of torpedoes inconsistent?” complaint as less nerdy, overzealous fans nitpicking over the minutiae of lore and more illustrative of the larger issue with the show never really embracing its premise to the fullest of its potential. The big sell of the show is that this is a federation ship stranded on the other side of the galaxy with no backup and limited resources... which is somewhat undermined when they seemingly have an unlimited number of torpedoes (and shuttlecraft) to throw at any threat they come across, and are somehow able to hit a reset button between episodes to undo any damage they may experience from week to week. I just feel it would have been far more interesting in the long run if bits of the ship did start falling off, and other alien bits had to be added on, maybe have a ship of Theseus situation where the Voyager that returns to Earth isn’t even really the same ship that left. And hey, running out of torpedoes would have been the perfect premise for an episode where Janeway has no choice but to put her sense of ethics to one side because she has to trade with a nefarious arms dealer, or something. I don’t hate Voyager, I don’t think it’s an awful show. My opinion is that it’s a Trek series with an extraordinary premise, but continually settles for being ordinary in its execution.
@Kmadden2004
@Kmadden2004 3 жыл бұрын
John Graves - kind of, yeah. Similarly, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that, following what he considers a terrible experience in the Voyager writers room, the first thing Ronald D Moore did after leaving the franchise was the Battlestar Galactica reboot.
@thenikkihuff
@thenikkihuff 3 жыл бұрын
Every time a shuttle craft explodes or gets lost I think “How many are we down to now??” It’s kind of implied that they keep building new ones, but never really stated. When Paris wants to build the Delta Flyer, Tuvok says they have a full inventory of shuttlecraft. How?? Haha.
@toamatau8785
@toamatau8785 3 жыл бұрын
This exactly. I enjoy Voyager for what it is, but nearly every episode makes you go "man, if only they..."
@CaptAmerica300
@CaptAmerica300 3 жыл бұрын
I guess I never took it to seriously because in the Federation the only currency is energy. If a ship has the power to run the replicator can't it fabricate whatever it needs? And yes sure there are some thing that they can't replicate because the plot demanded it. Like DS9's episode scavenging for parts on Empok Nor. But if they can build a torpedo casing and only need to harvest the.... photons???? To make the actual warhead is it so hard to believe that they can do that?
@gfox9295
@gfox9295 3 жыл бұрын
@@endeavour3d He did, but... Michael Piller and Ira Steven Behr were able to overcome Berman's cowardice in DS9... Brannon Braga and (once DS9 was over and he was writing for Voyager a bit) RDM coulda fought harder on VOY.
@markiab5817
@markiab5817 3 жыл бұрын
I never knew Voyager's first three seasons were so hotly debated until a few years ago. I'm glad my family maintained a separate Trekkie fandom away from the internet.
@Drebin824
@Drebin824 3 жыл бұрын
I'm of the opinion that the series really didn't get good until season 4. But there are some good episodes out of the first 3 seasons
@neptoon928
@neptoon928 3 жыл бұрын
Hahah me too ! My parents introduced me to it and thank god they did
@Wraiths_and_Wreckage
@Wraiths_and_Wreckage 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It was always my favorite. Then I looked it up online and saw a bunch of haters picking on stupid things. Do you know how much I could destroy the other Trek shows if I wanted? Have people SEEN TOS? But I'm nice.
@jesuszamora6949
@jesuszamora6949 3 жыл бұрын
The internet makes most things worse, as it turns out.
@jesuszamora6949
@jesuszamora6949 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wraiths_and_Wreckage It's like the people bitching about Discovery and Picard now. Every single show, not just Trek, is going to have problems, but it's compounded by the fact that Trek spans hundreds of episodes across several spinoffs and movies, novels, comics... It's a giant web no one at all could possibly keep up with 100%.
@threeofeight197
@threeofeight197 2 жыл бұрын
People never mention Tom Paris as neuro-divergent but I think he is. He is spot on as a person with ADHD. He gets hyper-focused on projects he enjoys and finds a hard time with the mundane day to day. He is impulsive and struggles with controlling those impulses to the detriment of his career in Starfleet. Only after he is in a situation where he gets to have second chances and a be on a ship that is less rigid in its Starfleet rules can he be appreciated for who he is. ADHD people can be very creative and productive when given the chance. :)
@logiclight
@logiclight 6 ай бұрын
Also adhd brains do extremely well in crisis.
@UMCorian
@UMCorian 3 жыл бұрын
Unpopular Opinion: Voyager was actually my favorite Star Trek Common Ground: Literally any Star Trek made over 15 years ago is better than anything that's come out since.
@chrisharrison763
@chrisharrison763 3 жыл бұрын
Your second statement can make me forgive the first.
@morrigangg
@morrigangg 3 жыл бұрын
Discovery is good though, sorry to break it to you.
@nicholasbrassard3512
@nicholasbrassard3512 3 жыл бұрын
@@morrigangg no. Just no.
@elisabethschmerzler963
@elisabethschmerzler963 3 жыл бұрын
@@morrigangg As a science fiction show, it’s alright. But as a Star Trek show, it is very far from perfect. However, I do adore Linus, so they’re good on that part
@Vivi2372
@Vivi2372 2 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasbrassard3512 just let people enjoy things ffs.
@ProbabilityOverdrive
@ProbabilityOverdrive 3 жыл бұрын
I just started Voyager a few days ago. I'm a huge Trek fan and admittedly was turned off to Voyager after hearing so many complaints on the internet. I realize how dumb that is though and being a huge Trek fan I need to at least watch and judge for myself.
@8MercurySunrise8
@8MercurySunrise8 3 жыл бұрын
There is some seriously poor writing every now and then but the majority of episodes are great as a whole. The women are not written well in my opinion as a woman, but the other characters shine so bright and some of the plots are so entertaining that I think it makes up for it well enough.
@LeftistJesus
@LeftistJesus 3 жыл бұрын
This is me and my wife with discovery. I didn't care until I saw all the hate cause "captain is Womz" and then I had to watch it, cause Janeway was an.... Alright captain
@Faitheist1652
@Faitheist1652 3 жыл бұрын
I've never understood the Voyager hate. It's so good.
@Takkiebos
@Takkiebos 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up with it so I always felt like I was biased; but I never really understood why Voyager caught so much flack as TNG had so much more weirdly "un-treky" episodes.
@fangal12
@fangal12 3 жыл бұрын
@@8MercurySunrise8 I think 7 of 9 is probably the best written female character across all 3 of the 90's Treks.
@ironiconion
@ironiconion 3 жыл бұрын
im rewatching this video and the second "you got kim'd" gets me so hard even when i knew it was coming
@bigginsd1
@bigginsd1 2 жыл бұрын
Janeway is my favourite Captain not in spite of her flaws but because of them. She is isolated from any higher command structure, riddled with guilt, overworked and stressed. Consequently she makes exactly the sort of batshit crazy decisions someone would when pushed to the limit, and she deals with the consequences of her bad decisions in later episodes. It is also referenced several times that Voyager has a terrible reputation in the Delta Quadrant for causing destruction and being self-serving. When people bring up her failings as a reason to dismiss the show entirely, my response is that her failings are what make her interesting. She is also an optimist at heart and never gives up.
@mmjahink
@mmjahink Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with this review. You even pointed out things that I didn't know, and I've heard some of Garrett Wang's podcasts that he did like more than 10 years ago, I think
@Lexi_Zone
@Lexi_Zone 3 жыл бұрын
You know what? _You know what??_ Yeah! Voyager is good, actually! I always had a soft spot for it because it was the first Trek show I jumped in on at episode 1 (I always missed the start and came into other Trek shows somewhere in the middle), and I love the design of the ship--but recently I went back and rewatched it with the approach of "I'll just skip the bad episodes/watch the episodes I remember being good/sound interesting", and I have to say, I ended up watching a lot more episodes than I expected, skipping less each season, and I really enjoyed it. You know what? As much as I love that television has moved away from episodic stories, in hindsight, the ability to skip bad episodes and miss absolutely nothing kinda works in Voyager's favor.
@DaxianPreston
@DaxianPreston 3 жыл бұрын
I got into watching Voyager in my late teens when I could stay up late enough and regularly enough. Reruns came on after the late shows and were sequential so I found it easy to fallow along. I got really into it after a while and followed the series to the end. I didn't really get into TNG or DS9 until later. After watching the entirety of all three series I concluded that I really can't decide which is my favorite. I like to think of them as one great big story I guess. I found enterprise tolerable.
@croatoansounds
@croatoansounds 3 жыл бұрын
Daxian Preston enterprise is definitely the worst of the originals, but even so, I can’t hate it too much. At least it’s not discovery
@AG_KEMPER
@AG_KEMPER 3 жыл бұрын
How brave of you to say something so true, yet so controversial
@JesseColton
@JesseColton 3 жыл бұрын
It's always been my favorite. And despite any criticisms of the story, I think it has the strongest premise of ANY of the Star Trek series
@shibolinemress8913
@shibolinemress8913 3 жыл бұрын
I liked Kes very much. My favourite Kes ep is Before and After. I for one want to know what happens in those alternate timelines she creates with each "jump". I loved Linnis and Andrew. Too bad they're never mentioned again. Kes had so much lost potential.
@tudabee
@tudabee 3 жыл бұрын
"We ate 'em" is an appropriate response to a surprising number of questions, thanks Paris
@paradactyl3729
@paradactyl3729 3 жыл бұрын
Alien child: What happened to the oligarchs of your planet?
@starleigh6680
@starleigh6680 2 жыл бұрын
@@paradactyl3729 true for the dutch who ate their prime minister
@9000ck
@9000ck 3 жыл бұрын
The dialogues between Janeway and Seven about free will are awesome.
@SlashForeward
@SlashForeward 9 ай бұрын
Grew up on Voyager, watching a couple episodes every day with my mom. We've watched it maybe 3 times in my life? Every time it's been amazing. Janeway was a great role model and definately helped shape my idea of the ideal woman lol
@ron3138
@ron3138 3 жыл бұрын
Corona Time is my Star Trek time. First we watched Voyager as a family with my little sister and now we watch DS9. I love them both
@Knight121198
@Knight121198 3 жыл бұрын
"It was a mild shock, he will recover" Seven of nine.
@christianclark1354
@christianclark1354 3 жыл бұрын
"and when he does?"
@dr.jekyllproject7172
@dr.jekyllproject7172 3 жыл бұрын
"You are damaged"
@MuffinHunterX
@MuffinHunterX 2 жыл бұрын
Seven demonstrates how to punch someone through the internet.
@HighFlyActionGuy
@HighFlyActionGuy 3 жыл бұрын
Fine I will go back and watch it! With my girlfriend too because she hasn't seen it. We're actually already two seasons in. IT's great.
@derekisthematrix
@derekisthematrix 3 жыл бұрын
If you enjoy the first few seasons, you're going to love the rest.
@HighFlyActionGuy
@HighFlyActionGuy 3 жыл бұрын
@@derekisthematrix Ive seen it all a few times, only my girlfriend is seeing it for the first time.
@PatsyClinesDaughter
@PatsyClinesDaughter 3 жыл бұрын
HighFlyActionGuy Come back and let us know how she likes it!!! I’ve been in love with Voyager for like 4-5 years now.
@HighFlyActionGuy
@HighFlyActionGuy 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatsyClinesDaughter We've been poking away at it and she loves it. Its fun to rewatch it and connect more closely to a different character than when I was younger.
@Safiyahalishah
@Safiyahalishah 3 жыл бұрын
My father introduced my siblings and me to _Star Trek_ a few years ago (because apparently he was a Trekkie in his childhood and never told me), and my brother and I totally fell in love with both _TNG_ and _Voyager._ I've finally been getting my sister to watch _Voyager_ with me every night at dinner time. Our favourite characters are Tuvok, Janeway, Neelix and Seven. I just know we'll look back on _Voyager_ with fondness when we're old, and it'll be one of those comfort shows that reminds us of family.
@popkhorne5372
@popkhorne5372 2 жыл бұрын
I completely forgot how out of nowhere harry could be so sassy ^^
@theforgetfulalchemist
@theforgetfulalchemist 3 жыл бұрын
im a newbie trekkie and i love voyager-i was actually surprised to learn it's hated
@communistpropagandist4608
@communistpropagandist4608 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager is 2 decades old now, it came out in a very different time. A time when having a woman captain was controversial and a lot of the hate for voyager is pretty sexist.
@ArkOfAges
@ArkOfAges 3 жыл бұрын
Having seen the original TV broadcast, my opinion is that DS9 was just more interesting than a plot line about a stranded ship. I'm a believer in the Star Trek fatigue theory.
@michaelroth3913
@michaelroth3913 3 жыл бұрын
"He toots, he toots real good" -Leon Thomas, 2020
@DarthMajora
@DarthMajora 2 жыл бұрын
"You are hurting me" Just hearing this or even thinking of it makes my heart hurt and I get tears. Seven, as stupid as it may sound, was my role model, along with Tuvok. I still, to this day, do the same little head tilt as a response to people who ask me a question where the answer is yes. And when I have anxiety, you'll always find my hands clasped, pointer fingers pointing outwards
@ironcladshade1
@ironcladshade1 3 жыл бұрын
Watching early seasons, I really liked Kes' portrayal as an empathetic ear and budding telepath. The fact that she was young and inexperienced made her interesting and her role as an empath was honestly a much more refined version of troi imo (but I think her inexperience just made it more believable when the show had to work around or nullify her talents). She was a very driven person who wanted to grow and help people and had enough backbone to assert that desire
@EhrisaiaOShannon
@EhrisaiaOShannon 3 жыл бұрын
Voyager was actually my favourite series of Trek. It was glorious. 💜
@airshow406
@airshow406 3 жыл бұрын
I want to watch the show with the You Got Kim’ed moments edited in. Maybe someone could put out a special edition.
@sacta
@sacta 3 жыл бұрын
"It's a chemical imbalance that Vulkans get once every seven years that can only be fixed by mating, or combat, for some reason! Those two things are nothing alike." *Sigmund Freud has entered the chat*
@ashlingteirney7543
@ashlingteirney7543 2 жыл бұрын
The Klingons would also disagree with that sentiment...
@TheNitpickChick
@TheNitpickChick 3 ай бұрын
Voyager was the series that introduced me to Star Trek, back in the day. I would watch it with my dad, back when it was first airing, and I fell in love. ❤ While I acknowledge that it has some inconsistencies and flaws, it will always hold a special place in my heart, and I will always love it. ☺️
@williammiller1299
@williammiller1299 3 жыл бұрын
"Blink Of An Eye" was a great episode.
@ChristinaLouise27
@ChristinaLouise27 3 жыл бұрын
The first of many Voyager episodes to make me cry
@SalsaStork
@SalsaStork 3 жыл бұрын
Also to be noted: my parents watched all the treks in the 90s, and as a little girl I gravited to VOY most because of all the central female characters. Seeing a captain that looked like me was important to me. I'm sure wasn't the only little girl that felt that way.
@erinhaury5773
@erinhaury5773 3 жыл бұрын
You're definitely not alone, I idolized Janeway as a kid, and I still have immense respect for her. Kate Mulgrew really owned that role.
@nomohakon6257
@nomohakon6257 3 жыл бұрын
A disturbance, i sense...
@johanwittens7712
@johanwittens7712 2 жыл бұрын
Even as a boy, I thought it was cool to see a strong woman kick ass like Janeway did in voyager. Just like Kira nerys in DS9, Janeway was an awesome, capable, competent character to be liked and respected just like Picard or sisko, and looked up to her just as much as I looked up to them. They were all competent captains, scientists, explorers, strong, curious, yet all flawed and human, but striving to be their best selves. What star trek should be about really. And yes Kate mulgrew played her really wel. Confident, curious, headstrong, brave, cautious, etc. If you haven't already you should look at the initial casting tests of the first pilot episode and see the other actrice they first had lined up (Genevieve Bujold). Great performance too, but completely different vibe of captain. She portrayed her as much more soft, cautious, introvert, held back, etc. Would have made a completely different captain and probably different show! Mulgrew did a great job in portraying a Starfleet captain, no matter she was a she.
@jeanfitzsimmons7442
@jeanfitzsimmons7442 2 жыл бұрын
I grew to adulthood in the chauvinist fifties, so early trek both gave me hope and disappointed me. I loved it because it gave me hope of change from chauvinism and bigotry, though it failed, it was transitional. Yuppy Gen lost me before the first year was up, though the captain and Data were stuffed with potential. Ya, i caught up eventually, with faves like the Flute and Measure of a Man, but failed to live up to my greatest hopes. DS9 was great! Until it wasn’t. But it too had a few favorite episodes. Then Voyager, oh my. So many favorites and yet such human flaws in the writers. I still love the characters, and so many great episodes, including one i can no longer watch for its final line about a hope filled earth, “ Where hatred knows no home.” I could not bare that line in the midst of our own horrors of hate and ignorance, that still lingers on and on. Yes. The concept of Trek makes me want to hope, but reality makes that very difficult, and i fear for my grandchildren. My 3 year old son who watched those early Treks with his young mother, is now a grandfather, my daughter a mother of a 16 year old daughter. We all saw 50th birthdays and beyond, but Star Trek still lets me hope, if just a little, it must suffice.
@MelaninAmethyst90
@MelaninAmethyst90 2 жыл бұрын
Your not alone at all
@markoconnor7163
@markoconnor7163 2 жыл бұрын
I recently finished DS9 the last of the TNG era Star Treks I'd never watched, and I'm not sure about which I place higher. Voyager got me interested from the pilot episode, and all the characters are interesting and a good reason to keep watching. However with DS9 it took a lot longer to grow on me... the constant presence of the Ferengi (until later on when Quark started to become more likable), Sisko as the 'Captain' and other little things niggled at me earlier on. Even Kira who would eventually become my second favroute character in the show took a while to grew on me. I think many Trek fans probably overlook the earlier DS9 problems as they do the earlier season of Voyager. Yes the later DS9 seasons are great and the supporting cast is awesome, Gul Dukat being a favroute, but there is also Kai Winn. While she is a well written and acted character I want to claw my eyes out everytime she appears on screen, and everytime she patronizes Kira you just want to punch her in her stupid face.... Another comparison between the two, DS9 brought Worf in - an established and already well liked character, whilst Voyager bought Seven in. Seven being a new character was a much riskier move, obviously it paid off as fans loved Seven but they had no way to know that when they wrote her character.
@christophernewby3296
@christophernewby3296 3 жыл бұрын
I love voyager, it feels modern and the whole lost in the delta quadrant made their often rebellious antics less rebellious. I mean the prime directive was still brought up but more often then naught it was thrown out the window in favor of exploration and for the greater persuit of finding their way home. Its sort of how I now feel about Lower Decks, granted satr trek started with animation but it feels fresh having adopted the modern cartoon style we have all come to expect and with that is making fans of voyager happy again. Don't get me wrong I respect next generation because it paved the way for voyager but man is it dry when compared with the emotional realness that voyager serves. Next gen feels authentically accurate in that humans will propoably evolve to become logic based lifeforms but for people like myself who grew up with emotionally heavy 90s shows like charmed, 90210, buffy, twin peaks, angel, and x files voyager just fit with 90s vibes so perfectly with witty combacks, emphasis on sexual tensions, and that traditional happy familial feel that it hits all those happy nostalgic feels that 90s shows still give me to this day, which is probably why I rewatch Tales from the crypt and voyager, and charmed, amd x files. Modern TV dramas prefer to focus on shock value, horror, and diverting audiences expectations, and no I am absolutely not going to including teen dramas which are a shell of 90s peak nostalgia, which is fine I guess but man do I miss the 90s.
@catherinemyers9021
@catherinemyers9021 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I go out for ice cream I order coffee flavored. And although no one ever asks, I say “Captain Kathryn Janeways favorite flavor was coffee, so it is also mine.”
@stefanvidakovic782
@stefanvidakovic782 3 жыл бұрын
There's coffee in that nebula!
@LeftStickGaming
@LeftStickGaming 3 жыл бұрын
My only real problem with voyager (I’ll admit it’s been years) is that there are too many “We found a way home. Oops nope” episodes.
@NorthernShinigami
@NorthernShinigami 3 жыл бұрын
Which is probably why the last episode ended the way it did; voyager passes through the wormhole and finds itself smack in the middle of about a dozen starfleet ships with Earth right in front of them. You can see everyone on the bridge dead silent with no one daring to speak, as if they can't believe their eyes - because they CAN'T. There has been so many "close calls" they're scared that if they open their mouth and say anything, for example, like reporting "It seems we're back in the alpha quadrant, Captain" or something, the illusion will shatter and they'll find out it's not real. Only when they're being actually hailed by starfleet command someone breaks the silence and speaks.
@kosimochaosbold7544
@kosimochaosbold7544 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine one additional camera shift, underlined with a shimmering-mystical melody; towards the orchid left where Tuvix split up.
@twiff3rino28
@twiff3rino28 3 жыл бұрын
Makes it more life-like if you ask me.
@TheBest-sd2qf
@TheBest-sd2qf 3 жыл бұрын
@@spacey_432 I loved "tuvix"..how was she supposed to handle the dilemma? I think it showed us one of her many sides, she could do whatever the situation required.
@AnnaLeighMusic
@AnnaLeighMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Gilligan’s Island in space is how I’ve often thought of it.
@blahinthe7843
@blahinthe7843 Жыл бұрын
I grew up with Voyager. The opening will forever fill me with childhood wonder.
@mirandaclabron8331
@mirandaclabron8331 3 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion: Icheb was a likable character and so adorable 🥺
@foreverspice1982
@foreverspice1982 2 жыл бұрын
He was / is beautiful.
@transformerstuff7029
@transformerstuff7029 Жыл бұрын
love me some icheb. good kid.
@steelfoe
@steelfoe 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up watching the original series with my mom, the next generation after school in syndication, but Voyager was the first series I saw from the beginning and felt like it was MY Star Trek
@kevinnashiscool1
@kevinnashiscool1 3 жыл бұрын
I loved Voyager. The more futuristic and long space exploration feel of the show was what made it so great and different from other Star Trek shows.
@engage1942
@engage1942 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. This. In TNG it's always felt like they are pretty close to Earth. In Voyager you always know that there's a loooong journey ahead
@TheLAGopher
@TheLAGopher 2 жыл бұрын
@@engage1942 In a way, Voyager was the closest of the new shows to TOS. They both were set in mostly unfamiliar settings and were dominated by first contact situations. TNG and DS9 really pushed galactic politics to the forefront.
@biancacamillagambrioli5830
@biancacamillagambrioli5830 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up watching Voyager so I have a soft spot for it, but it was really so powerful for a little girl to see a woman be captain on tv... Also, when I was a teen I was going through one of the worst period of my life and watching this show was a true lifeline, it helped me connect with my father when I most needed it. I related so much with Seven's will to integrate with others, and her managing to do that while still being herself was great to see. I love TNG and DS9 (and now Lower Decks) but Voyager was just able to connect with me on so many levels, and it will always have my heart
@RAYoung-ie3cf
@RAYoung-ie3cf 2 жыл бұрын
It's been six months since I began Voyager and I'm in the home stretch in season seven. I really underestimated this series and I know I'll feel a mixture of accomplishment and longing when I reach the end. DS9 is next on my list and while I'm not looking forward to dealing with Ferengi, I hear the Dominion War is interesting.
@dobb7101
@dobb7101 3 жыл бұрын
"Verified snack Harry Kim" made me laugh. Fantastic. I do wish they had kept up better on Torres' and Kim's friendship. I still felt it was there in later seasons, I just wish it was in the forefront more than the background. So seriously I would love to see a Star Trek series about an expedition to explore outside the galaxy being led by Captain Harry Kim. Also I freakin' love the "You got Kim'd" bit. Thank you. In her first season I think Seven got the focus because she was a new character that the writers could tell new stories with. In later seasons I really think it is Jeri Ryan's talent as an actress that attracted the focus she got. I think she did so well in the role. The same thing for the Doctor. Robert Picardo has fantastic on screen chemistry with the whole cast and his stand alone episodes tend to be great. Thanks for the great episode. All your work is great but these "is good actually" episodes are my favorite.
@Lilmiket1000
@Lilmiket1000 2 жыл бұрын
lol a show about kim's experiences as captain. That would be interesting. I get the feeling he would be very tempted to go off the record alot in the name of fellowship, as he was very emotional. That could be really good.
@felixbenkenstein4904
@felixbenkenstein4904 3 жыл бұрын
I'm actually re-watching Enterprise right now bc I wanted to check if it was as disappointing as I remember, and I am on the verge of postulating " Star Trek: Enterprise is good, actually". T'Pol might have become my second-most-favorite Vulcan. I like Archer's rather informal style. I like the Vulcans as jerks. Shran.
@Tordre
@Tordre 3 жыл бұрын
I'm on the same boat, except that final episode made me so much angrier than I thought i could be by a show. Like to an irrational level.
@OnlyFactsPlease
@OnlyFactsPlease 3 жыл бұрын
Fuckin' Shran
@benjamindorothy5667
@benjamindorothy5667 3 жыл бұрын
T'pol's arc throughout the show is fantastic and Jolene Blalock plays her wonderfully.
@darksteelhero1
@darksteelhero1 3 жыл бұрын
@@QBG I hated the intro too... at first but then at some point in season 2 I realized that the intro song pairs well with intro video showing how far mankind has come so far. They show off the different methods mankind has used to explore our world and then end with showing that we're going to the Final Frontier, Space. It just felt very poetic and once I realized that it grew on me very fast
@locustboy8448
@locustboy8448 3 жыл бұрын
Darksteelhero Hot take, I actually love the intro. It’s different obviously. But the lyrics perfectly fit the theme of Enterprise and humanity taking its first steps into deep space.
@GrimmFilmEnt
@GrimmFilmEnt 11 ай бұрын
This was the show that introduced me to Star Trek and as such it will always hold a special place in my heart.
@cardsfanboy
@cardsfanboy 2 жыл бұрын
Voyager was more closer in intent to the original series than any of the other shows, it's about exploration. The next generation was about a galactic empire working out how to handle people on the edges of their empire, while deep space was about diplomacy.. (and yes that is a massive simplifying of the two shows, but the point is that voyager was really the only show that didn't have backup of the federation, so they were explorers trying to make their way) I like pretty much all Trek (except maybe first season of TNG, which really had major faults... and I'll never be a fan of Q or mirror universe episodes even though they are good, they are not something I 'like') but Voyager really matched the tone with the original series better than anything else and added sophistication.
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