Star Wars is a Boy Brand | Film Threat Versus

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Is Star Wars a Boy Brand?
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@rachb373 Ай бұрын

As a woman, I apologise for that woman. She needs to learn to listen and not shriek

@studebricker2845 Ай бұрын

And what is with the cleavage. Is that how she gets people to notice her? Lame.

@jasongrundy1717 Ай бұрын

She identifies as a feminist, so not a woman.

@studebricker2845 Ай бұрын

I'm guessing her coherent thoughts are not what brings the views to her channel LOL

@lawrencetalbot8346 Ай бұрын

Blondes will be blondes 🤷🏻‍♂️

@talithakoum3922 Ай бұрын

IIRC, her content is mostly Harry Potter stuff with a libertarian theme. Not sure she'd have much insight on other franchises. Also worth noting that HP actually is a "girl brand" that loans itself to the antics of female fandom in a way that classic SW doesn't. I say this as a woman.

@jnanamyotherapy Ай бұрын

Was a boy brand, then became a brand of Lesbianism.

@RealtyWebDesigners Ай бұрын

The Force is lesbian.

@googleifyouseekayu Ай бұрын

but lesbians dont like it either 😂

@24framedavinci39 Ай бұрын

The Fur Munching Force For Females with Ferocious Favortism for 4th Wave Feminism

@LewisChristisonVids Ай бұрын

And not even the fun kind of lesbians!

@24framedavinci39 Ай бұрын

I like how YT will delete your comment but still give you notifications for the thread your comment was deleted on.

@studebricker2845 Ай бұрын

Who is that clueless female?

@aikighost Ай бұрын

I think her name is "Imin". Surname "Denial"

@pinroshan020 Ай бұрын

Lol! Are ya sexist or something?

@darthlaurel Ай бұрын

It seemed like arguing for the sake of arguing, and i hate that.

@the-real-Lovefist Ай бұрын

She’s definitely clueless

@studebricker2845 Ай бұрын

@@pinroshan020 No, I'm sure there are also a few clueless guys that subscribe to her channel LOL

@gorequillnachovidal Ай бұрын

as a kid in the 80s I never ever saw a girl with Star Wars figure....ever. girls were strawberry shortcake and my little pony.

@TheDissident77 Ай бұрын

Exactly. NOT ONE GIRL in my elementary class had a SW folder, binder, lunchbox even, much less the toys. NOT ONE. Whether it was marketed as a 'boys' brand, it was taken claimed and made a boys brand by BOYS. Girls inherently stayed away from it on their own volition and chose other toys. CHOSE.

@marcp9926 Ай бұрын

Barbie. Should we make a Barbie movie but make it male, gay, and lame?

@theauntofdragons Ай бұрын

Omg I miss my pony! One of the best Christmas gifts ever!! Makes me sad to see that they're forcing girls to behave like men. They're going to regret that in the future....

@mitchjr77 Ай бұрын

Yup! If Star Wars was as Popular with the Ladies back then as it was recently, Star Wars Nerds would never have been known as “Virgins”! 😂😅

@sonnywoods6846 Ай бұрын

That because in the 80s we knew what gender was and that were things that boys like and there were things that girls like!

@cjp1599 Ай бұрын

Even George Lucas said he made it for 12 year old boys... total boy brand...

@lawrencetalbot8346 Ай бұрын

Star Wars _was_ a boys’ brand. Now it’s a brand for nobody except talentless hacks

@koobs4549 Ай бұрын

Mainly it’s just for Leslie Hedland, so yeah, talentless hacks is spot on 😂

@AlexAveryAtwood Ай бұрын

Star Wars should be a brand for all genders.

@lawrencetalbot8346 Ай бұрын

@@AlexAveryAtwood and what makes a brand “for all genders”? There was never any rule or law that said girls could not enjoy Star Wars. Much like how there are some boys who liked Barbie. Does that mean Barbie is then instantly a boys brand? No. It’s still a girls brand through and through but it’s okay if a boy likes it too

@RenlangRen Ай бұрын

Should Strawberry Shortcake be coded more masculine with heroic adventures and gun battles? It is ok if something is a girl brand or a boy brand.

@kd9749 Ай бұрын

Chica keeps arguing that so many women are hardcore Star Wars fans, while simultaneously admitting that she herself is not a hardcore Star Wars fan. Star Wars is a boy brand, always has been. Girls are welcome to enjoy it too, but that doesn’t change a thing.

@Frank-Discussion Ай бұрын

The young woman on the panel wasn't there back in the day. It absolutely was a boys brand. was...

@JayM928 Ай бұрын

Yeah, no one that was around back then would make that silly argument. All advertising was very clearly aimed at an audience. She should probably do homework FIRST THEN speak. You think she’s go do her homework after this? Maybe go watch some old commercials? They’re probably googleable.

@The_Primary_Axiom Ай бұрын

She said back in the day it was a boys brand. But today there are a lot of women who watch it. But because these modern women don’t know how to write female characters there’s not that many. If it was written by an actual talent there would be a lot more women watching Star Wars today. Not sure I disagree with her. But right now neither side are watching it. But I think she doesn’t understand just because she’s an outlier doesn’t mean majority of women watchcclord of the rings or Star Wars. More males are attracted to fantasy and sci-fi. But that is such a pointless argument if it’s written well both sides can like it. Real talent comes when you can write it for everyone. There are plenty of movies and shows where both can watch it.

@jasonwolny7412 Ай бұрын

Like every other comment on here, it *was* a boy brand. They’re trying to make it a girl brand, but girls by and large don’t care about Star Wars. So we have a brand for *nobody*.

@Cowpitulate Ай бұрын

she is a tourist, who is only successful because she bounces off whatever is most popular to say, all of her points are blunt and ones i have heard elsewhere. That aside, she is an airhead clearly and the moment they said Star Wars was a boy brand she got visibly offended. Then she went on an almost feminist rant. As i said, she is charlatan, who was dressed for attention not for a respectful chat. Even her body language is telegraphing how she wants you to look at her.

@DeadlyPlatypus Ай бұрын

It's always frustrating watching women deny reality in order to make themselves feel better. "Most women I know like the originals." Uh huh. Most women who are ALREADY selected for being Star Wars fans, not women in general.

@michaelh.8945 Ай бұрын

And they had older brothers who liked Star Wars.

@Lazerpick Ай бұрын

Women can enjoy Star Wars, but was never marketed towards girls. To say that it was is a massive misunderstanding of the franchise.

@greggvictorious968 Ай бұрын

She uses anecdotal evidence to prove her point.

@SamtheBravesFan Ай бұрын

Sometimes that's all you've got, but the problem is many times there's just overwhelming facts that disprove the anecdote. Girls are welcome to like Star Wars as a brand. But the fact is if they do, they're the exception.

@kd9749 Ай бұрын

After admitting that she herself is not a hardcore Star Wars fan.

@MiaogisTeas Ай бұрын

But guys, she knows ONE other person who is a fan who happens to be female! That means it's not a brand for boys!

@Tential1 Ай бұрын

@@MiaogisTeasshe's helpful. She explains star wars. This is exactly what the executives at disney are saying.

@accidentcellar6307 Ай бұрын

nice C L E A V A G E though

@roxdotdev Ай бұрын

Of course Star Wars was a boys brand: 1. look at Kenner Toys - no girls bought toys. 2. geek girls like Star Wars. 3. non-geek girls REJECT Star Wars. 4. WAR playing is a naturally male oriented form of play. ANYONE disputing this is nuts.

@jasonwolny7412 Ай бұрын

Who let that woman on? She’s beyond ignorant and upsetting.

@draxrdax7321 Ай бұрын

Someone needs to show her where the kitchen is, there are sammiches waiting to be made! 🤣But seriously, claiming that there are more SW female fans than male fans is beyond insane.

@jasonwolny7412 Ай бұрын

@@draxrdax7321 I’m struggling to understand her point that Disney Star Wars has gained female fans at all

@TheDissident77 Ай бұрын

Well, the ignorant part is true. Upsetting is on your end. NEVER let someone who shows how dumb they are upset YOU. 'Who's more foolish, the fool..." you know the rest :)

@ChristopherLeBlancArtAndDesign Ай бұрын

I've never met a woman that likes Star Wars and I'm 37. Star Wars was about a young man meeting his evil father, overcoming the fear that he may become just like him, and attempting to redeem his father's soul by bringing him back to the light. It was about fathers and sons and good vs. evil. Space ships, laser guns, explosions, sword fighting, women don't think about such things! Everything about Star Wars was geared towards men. Luke Skywalker was an ambitious young man with dreams of exploring the galaxy and fighting evil. Every red-blooded healthy man dreams of the same things when he's young. Even when we're older, we still daydream about saving people and being heroes. It's a part of being a man. These are masculine qualities. Women didn't become "fans" until social media and KZfaq came along and it became hip and trendy.

@julianstrayhornii6234 Ай бұрын

I will say social media/internet made Star Wars bigger than what it was prior and now the solve for X is now that it is bigger globally do we keep the original audience in mind or do you do the New Coke thing.

@lore2177 Ай бұрын

As a nerdy woman I can say Star Wars was always a boys brand. Girls can like it too, but Chris made a valid point of the Barbie comparison.

@JayM928 Ай бұрын

A: my mom is evidence that Star Wars is not just a boy brand B: when I was growing up, the only friends I had were because we liked Star Wars. There were no girls that shared our enjoyment of it. A: yeah, but that experience isn’t something you can just extrapolate to the whole population. 🤔

@seiya880 Ай бұрын

For sure there are tons of girls who love Star Wars, but it's the boys who buy most the expensive merchandise, not girls.

@jasongrundy1717 Ай бұрын

The merchandise is sitting in bargain stores gathering dust.

@seiya880 Ай бұрын

@@jasongrundy1717 Exactly, cause those girls Disney is targeting ain't buying that crap, and if they buy stuff, they buy mostly Original Trilogy or Prequels stuff

@spaceknight793 Ай бұрын

@@jasongrundy1717 ONLY the merch based on the Disney era. The OT content still sells very well. Not like 1980 great, but that's where the profit still is.

@kd9749 Ай бұрын

Most females I know that like Star Wars are casual fans at best; hardcore fans are almost always dudes.

@gregsimoes8645 Ай бұрын

My wife is probably a bigger Star Wars fan now than I am. (not as a result of the recent movies, she does not like them and loves the original trilogy, but more than I lost interest back in the 90s) But I have more Star Wars toys than her and the only reason she has any of the more expensive items (like the lightsabers) is because they were gifts from other friends of ours (who are male) that know she likes Star Wars. Point being, there are male and female Star Wars fans, but it did not become an economic juggernaut because of girls.

@RetroNerdGirl Ай бұрын

As a female Star Wars fan since 1977, I can tell you that Star Wars is a "boy brand". Or at least until Disney got a hold of it, it was. I couldn't even get the toys when I was little because it was sold as boy's toys. Not one girl had the Star Wars playsets in my neighborhood, but the boys all did. For decades all of my girl friends, even the ones into nerdy stuff, never really liked Star Wars that much. They loved cosplaying as Leia though. I could never get those same girls to go see the movies with me. It's become cool to be a Star Wars fan so, people are conflating their own interest with facts. Even KK admitted that "the fan base is dominated by men". That doesn't mean there are no girl fans or that girls can't be fans, which is what I think some people think that statement is implying. It's not. It's just identifying who is dominating the fandom.

@koobs4549 Ай бұрын

I love how this person who wasn’t even alive for the original trilogy & possibly some of the prequels too, acts like she’s an expert on the brand, all while admitting that even she’s not a Star Wars fan. Yet she’s somehow expert enough to have a finger on the pulse of the franchise & who it was meant for 😂. I am not a Dr Who fan, I would never argue with Gary from Nerdrotic, (who’s been watching it since before I was born) about the direction of the show & who it was meant for.

@Tential1 Ай бұрын

She's a feminist. Part of feminism was getting women to speak up. Problem is, it went too far, and women feel the need to express themselves more often than they should. This only falls apart in the work place. Otherwise, women will over share now. They want to be like men, where men can be over confident and express a decision, even if wrong, confidently.

@TheColonelKlink Ай бұрын

From a massively successful boy brand to just another failed girl brand. The "genius" of woke Disney.

@RealtyWebDesigners Ай бұрын

It *IS* GENIUS!!! Iger is sinking the Disney stock with Woke so he can make a fortune SHORTING the stock! Pure Genius!

@joshuastoughton1693 Ай бұрын

Star Wars *was* a boys brand. Now its a girls princess brand that no one is interested in. And Star Wars fans, any who are still around, are busy arguing about pointless prequel/sequel/OT lore contradictions that doesnt matter because disney owns it. In other words, "It's dead Jim", Space Doctor Extraordinaire.

@lawrencetalbot8346 Ай бұрын

I mean I’m a fan of Legends/EU content and will happily defend that lore or what the original plans were for the IP before the great Disney canon purge. But yeah what audience they have left is predominantly Filoni simps who latch on to anything that remotely reminds them of the clone wars show from their childhood

@The_Primary_Axiom Ай бұрын

I think in a well written characters and story anyone can relate. I’m a Persian man who lives in the US. I can relate more to a Korean woman in a well written Korean show, than I can to even a Persian or American man in a bad written western show. This just tells me it’s about human relatability and nothing else. There are outliers like a Rambo movie or a Barbie movie. But majority of content it all depends on the characters and story.

@baldstevegames9080 Ай бұрын

It is a boy brand and was always a boy brand. I grew up with it. All the commercials and ads in catalogs were boys playing with the toys. Every friend's house I played at had star wars, GI Joe figures or transformers. Their sisters all had Barbies. Here is how you know Disney destroyed it. Back then, you couldn't find a Darth Vader figure in stores unless you got lucky. Today? Shelves are piled with them anywhere you go. Why? No boy wants to play with girl brand action figures.

@TheDissident77 Ай бұрын

Shit, I think I had a total of 2 Vaders in the 6 years I played with SW, they were so hard to find.

@baldstevegames9080 Ай бұрын

@@TheDissident77 Two?! Man, I only had one Vader and my dad had to create a way to put his head back on after it snapped off from so much play.

@TheDissident77 Ай бұрын

@@baldstevegames9080 That sounds about right.

@minimatemasterworks Ай бұрын

I've met countless women who brag about never seeing star wars. I don't know one female besides my 10 year old daughter who likes star wars and my daughter is a fan because we watch the movies and cartoons quite a bit.

@ZarathustraMG42-qo7oj Ай бұрын

It was a boys brand. I first saw in in 1977. I took my three sons to see them 1997 to 2005. I had the toys and the t-shirt as they did later. They no longer care about it in anyway. These days I wouldn't drag my dog to see it. As an epic and family thing as a man I see it now as nothing more than the tattered remains of a corpse for seriously deranged people to fill with their beliefs and agendas.

@Tential1 Ай бұрын

She is literally why star wars is dying lol. There are 5 women executives right now at Disney, talking about how star wars is bigger among women. Ignoring the box office data. It's been this whole saga, that made me realize, you do need to stereotype a bit in business. The numbers don't lie.

@dongxx Ай бұрын

a boy brand that all people enjoy

@JayM928 Ай бұрын

Enjoyed

@julianstrayhornii6234 Ай бұрын

That should have been the pitch after the aquisition

@tonyd6782 Ай бұрын

If you look at the action figure commercials from the original trilogy, who are the ones playing with those toys? Pretty sure it was almost exclusively boys.

@MrsPhilosopher Ай бұрын

She can have an opinion but she's way too obnoxious and ignorant to be part of large group conversation

@queueeeee9000 Ай бұрын

Attention seeker for sure. She kept interrupting people mid-sentence and adjusting her bra/shirt showing her b r e a s t s for the camera. Classic narcissist

@Radioman-pv5np Ай бұрын

I said this in a super-chat yesterday during this stream but I'll say it again. I've worked on six different Star Wars licensed products. Star Wars was defined, BY THE INDUSTRY, as a "boy's brand". That is based on Marketing and purchasing data. This doesn't mean women don't and can't enjoy it. But when the movies and subsequent products were made, they were targeted toward a young, male audience. Knowing your audience is how you make a successful product. That's why Barbies are pink and Star Wars had lots of pew pew blasters. Kathleen Kennedy and her ilk don't understand basic Marketing or Product Development and thought they could just turn it into something that it isn't.

@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Ай бұрын

There you go bringing silly facts and logic to the discussion. Tsk Tsk 😉

@roxdotdev Ай бұрын

Anecdote is not a valid statistical method. I can counter with 30 girls I know never WATCHED Star Wars, let alone OWNED any merchandise.

@wesjackson7437 Ай бұрын

There needs to be a "toxic" male in the writers room who can tell them "This is dumb. Nobody is going to like this crap." I feel like it's probably just a bunch of women writers in that writers room telling one another how brave and bold they're being with Acolyte and Ashoka and all the crap series they've put out.

@TheWolfeDen Ай бұрын

Star Wars was definitely marketed to boys because traditionally (and even still) those are the kinds of toys and themes that boys like. There weren't and still aren't a ton of females into sci-fi/fantasy/action. I say this as a woman who does enjoy those things and has since my youth. My mom is a big nerd too, but I'm pretty much the only other female in her life that she can share those interests with. I probably only have one or two female friends that I share my nerdy interests with as well. My husband had repeatedly told me that I'm the only woman he's been with that fully shares those interests with him.

@jayjonesss Ай бұрын

Was in the livestream… This part was rough to watch 😂 Keep doing your thing FT ❤

@mousedynasty4953 Ай бұрын

I would say her confusion comes from thinking Star Wars has female fans ergo it is not a brand JUST for boys. But the story of star wars which includes things like figthing an evil empire, becoming stoic and removing unecessary emotions, space ships and scifi tech, saving a princess/love interest, these are all themese that resonate with men more than with women. And also, men buy all the junk that these "nerd" company produces.

@DarthBalsamic Ай бұрын

I don't understand why there are people who are offended by this fact and reality that SW is a boys brand. It does not mean that there are no females that are fans of SW, which only tells me that anyone bringing that up as a counter for SW being a boy brand is likely a lazy thinking person. It was males, boys and men that propped up that franchise for over 20 years. However many female fans there are, there are legions of male fans that vast outnumber them. This should not be an offense to anyone. If it is, then they are affirming Disney and their destruction of the franchise by turning it into a girls brand that no legacy SW fan likes, especially the males, and including the female ones. This is really very simple. I don't understand how this is a controversial statement that is a fact, and I don't want to. I've seen female fans of SW say that SW is a boys brand and had other people get offended. What is this nonsense?!

@jeffgriffith7087 Ай бұрын

"I consider myself a feminist", "cheque please!"

@JPDD2 Ай бұрын

Personal anecdotes don’t make you right. It’s always been a boys brand. She can’t even see that her outlier story is not a normal circumstance.

@SuperDoggy99 Ай бұрын

I remember being on college campus and seeing quite a few people reading Heir to the Empire when it came out. At least ten different Star Wars nerds, over the course of a few months, in a variety of different places. Not one of them was female. Star Wars has always had female fans, but it was always a boys brand. Period.

@atillathehungry3145 Ай бұрын

Correction Star Wars WAS a boy band.

@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Ай бұрын

Correction... OT and EU Star Wars is STILL a boy brand. Disney Star Wars is not.

@spaceknight793 Ай бұрын

Just as it WAS a highly successful and profitable movie and merch machine...

@Shdowstorm Ай бұрын

The girl is only there for herself... with the look at me shirt and tone of voice.

@queueeeee9000 Ай бұрын

She kept adjusting her b r e a s t s for the camera. I feel sorry for any man in her life

@dcarre Ай бұрын

Star Wars used to be a Dodge Challenger, now it’s a Subaru Outback.

@queueeeee9000 Ай бұрын

SW used to be a carnivore, now it's vegan

@JayM928 Ай бұрын

Why argue a point that you are clearly ignorant about? In the 80s and early 90s, when there were only the old movies, toys, and games, boys would watch GI Joe cartoons, or whatever, and ALL the commercials were clearly for toys for boys. This is an era where you might actually change the channel or turn the tv off if a Barbie commercial came on. The girl cartoons like my little pony, or whatever, would have all the girl toy commercials. This is how it was. She’s obviously too young to know (and too stubborn to learn), but since “mom likes it” she thinks she knows. Heck, I’m pretty sure stores still have the boys toy aisle and the very obvious, very pink, girls toy aisle. As much as that probably offends feminists, that’s how marketing was. It’s also why these things made money-by not fighting human nature and reality-by not catering to the 1% and snubbing the 99% so they can feel better about themselves.

@TT79- Ай бұрын

The 5% of women- 'It's not a boys brand I love SW!!'

@secretgoldfish Ай бұрын

These girls appear to take what is obvious far too personally (do they not know of Kathleen and her deliberate 'the force is female' subversion?) I'm from the original era when SW first came out and would have loved if the girls loved SW too but it was hard to find one who did (and didn't just roll their eyes while considering it nerdy boys stuff). There are likely more female fans now but fandom is pretty fickle now too full of casual fans who are likely just looking for something brand-recognition cliched to cos-play or wear a t-shirt of.

@shadowpigglet Ай бұрын

I was in the military when Star Wars came out and I remember my coworkers discussing the hydraulics in the movie, lovingly discussing it.

@geraldvance7925 Ай бұрын

Growing up a lot of women I knew did not like Star wars. It has always been a boy's brand that girls can enjoy if they want. But people have to understand the exception is not the rule. A lot of these new female Disney Star wars fans like the original trilogy but never watched it. If feminizing Star wars was successful then we wouldn't see such diminishing returns. Feminist who don't really like Star wars are now writing and creating characters for Star Wars. If Star wars had a huge female fan base than the views and ratings wouldn't be so low for shows like the acolyte.

@cope847 Ай бұрын

It was most definitely marketed to boys. Just look at the original poster for the first Star Wars. Muscled up Luke with Leia scantily clad in front. It's the male power fantasy in one image. Just because girls like something doesn't mean it isn't inherently a boys brand.

@futtersticks Ай бұрын

They've added a hole. I'm not sure she'd pass the "if you didn't eat breakfast would you be hungry" question.

@mitchjr77 Ай бұрын

I Superchatted that Star Wars Toys was marketed as *“Action Figures”,* which was a Term Created & Coined by by Marketing Specialist (originally for GI Joe) in order to convince judgmental Dads that it’s okay for Boys to play with “Dolls”. _”Boys do not play with Dolls. They play with ‘ACTION FIGURES’!”_ Also, *IF* Star Wars wasn’t a Boy’s Brand, the term “Star Wars Fan” would never have been synonymous with “Virgin” and I would have lost my innocence *MUCH* sooner! 😅😣

@josephhorne1426 Ай бұрын

I can’t think of a single woman I know personally who considers themselves a big fan of Star Wars. Conversely, a majority of the guys I know are giant fans.

@TitanKaiju75 Ай бұрын

Whoever this young lady... please don't bring her back as a guest again. People in denial have no place in these kinds of discussions.

@damagecontrol1049 Ай бұрын

She needs to let other people talk, she steps over everyone's opinions.

@Booma4142 Ай бұрын

Star Wars was marketed as a boys brand the same way Barbie was marketed as a girls brand.

@riversandroots Ай бұрын

The "gearporn"was missing from all but the original trilogy. As a boy, I had a love for the Millenium Falcon that rivaled my love of the main characters. In fact, I can't think of any other "machine" in movie history that had as much personality. I think almost no girls or women can feel this way.

@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Ай бұрын

The prequels were filled with 'fu porn': just tons of elaborate fights on green screens just to have elaborate fights on green screens.

@aurorauplinks Ай бұрын

I think the better way to phrase it might be star wars films and books and games are for everyone, but the toys were often focused on boys, but not absolutely.

@queelude9 Ай бұрын

it's like when your parents take your favorite toy away to let your little sister play with it.

@winterfrench8094 Ай бұрын

Oh boy, a whole clip devoted to trying to nicely tell homegirl she's tripping and delusional all while she barely manages to represent her own double standards.

@thelordakira Ай бұрын

remove light sabers, too phallic and has copyrights on it. Force Fu , Disney can own that.

@ohforthelove74 Ай бұрын

I dont think the subject had anything to do with her argument. Seems more like she saw the opportunity for one.

@lorij3786 Ай бұрын

As a 50 yo, I was raised on the original and I am a woman. Star Wars was marketed for all FYI, Princess Leah was a woman women wanted to be be, young girls tried to be and all women wanted heroes like Han and Luke But you are correct, we didn’t buy the merchandise as much

@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Ай бұрын

No it wasn't, it was marketed to boys and a few girls responded to it. You are using anecdotal evidence just like the panel guest.

@TheDissident77 Ай бұрын

@AlanAvis Ай бұрын

Imagine if you went to a monster truck rally and they decide to have a bridal fashion show during it. That's where Disney Star Wars is at.

@Beaker709 Ай бұрын

The problem with a discussion like this is that there is no agreed upon definition of what a boy and girl brand is. The best definition would be to look at who the manufacturer aimed their sales at. For Star Wars, the commercial had boys playing with figures and Barbie had girls in their commercials. That does not mean a boy brand excludes girls, just who it was aimed at.

@DeathsjesterKMNP Ай бұрын

I think their was a basic misconception that caused all this idiocy to transpire within the SW franchise. Just because it is a "Boy Brand" doesn't mean girls couldn't enjoy it too. It didn't need to be forced to change so crudely and drastically. ... that or angry feminists just wanted to take something away from men they really enjoyed.

@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Ай бұрын

It's the latter that built into the former.

@TimHayes Ай бұрын

Why did you have that girl on your panel? She doesn't seem to get it! :(

@HighTechBull Ай бұрын

Wow she knows nothing about Star Wars except for cosplay and getting Star Wars simps to send her money. Kudos to the other panelists for not carving her a new one.

@Chrisdrumz Ай бұрын

That woman isn't much of a listener.

@BiteThemBack75 Ай бұрын

Oprah Winfrey is a genius. She knows her target audience. She never sat there and thought, "We need to get some of that Man Show audience. Let's get some hot chicks with bit t&ts on trampolines."

@CarlWheatley-wi2cl Ай бұрын

“I made Star Wars for 12-year-old kids, at the time we were going through a dark period with the Vietnam War and we needed to dream" While not mentioning young boys specifically, come on! This is sci-fi lmao. In the 1970's. OF COURSE it was targetted at young boys in particular. Some women seem to have this strange resistance to anything created by men specifically for men (or boys), while thinking absolutely nothing of things created by women aimed specifically for women. Come on girls, be fair.

@HansKlopek Ай бұрын

My god is that baked Alaska's old crazy girlfriend?

@RoryMitchell00 Ай бұрын

Saying that something is a "boy brand" should be innocuous and common. Instead, it's an utterance that's only heard within independent and smaller fellowships like this one. It's like big companies are somehow _embarrassed_ to be associated with boys and men in any way. It's strange. Especially when the male demographic is such a lucrative market, and even more so when it's growing significantly larger now that new generations of young men are not spending money on families or even dating (according to many statistics I've seen). So we have a huge untapped market that no large company can seemingly create products for. What a mess these entertainment industries have become.

@shelleyreynolds2486 Ай бұрын

I never really thought much about it, but it is a boy brand. I was born in 77, so i didn't have the privilege of seeing any of the OT on the big screen when they were first released. I have loved Star Wars since I was a little girl. I had a Princess Leia big wheel. We were poor, so we couldn't afford many toys, I'm not sure if my brother and I would have bought the figures if possible. I did collect posters and other items over the years though. I remember going to see the Phantom Menace at midnight, the first screening at my local theater. I wasn't sure how i felt about it then, but after some time, I've learned to appreciate the prequels more. It's such a shame, what Disney has done to Star Wars. I won't let them destroy what the OT has meant to me. If I want to imagine what happened after Jedi, I'll just look to the EU.

@AdamtheGrey02 Ай бұрын

I was a young boy in the 70s and early 80s and I didn't know one girl who loved Star Wars. It was promoted for the males. That's why all the advertisings had little boys playing with the Star Wars figures and ships. The older females (late teens early 20s) may have enjoyed the movies however but the marketing was always toward the younger males.

@jeviosoorishas181 Ай бұрын

Saying Star Wars is not a girl brand, is like saying Barbie is not a girls brand because a couple of boys play with them. You can tell by how these things were marketed who the intended audience was and is. Look, lets keep it 100, what Kathleen Kennedy is doing, is more profitable...if it works. Women/Girls spend more money than Men/Boys, a big reason being men spend more money on women, but that is never reversed lol. The problem is, how much can you turn Star Wars into 50 Shades of Grey, Hunger Games or Twilight before there's enough evidence that this is a fools bargain?

@sandman_says_runrunner4701 Ай бұрын

"Saying Star Wars is not a GIRL brand...", I think you meant boy brand there. Women definitely account for 80% of purchases in the West, but not in the area of toys and merch. The evidence is clear, they turned Star Wars to a girl brand which put toy companies and stores out of business because the girls (and now boys) are not buying the merch.

@ThatJunkman Ай бұрын

Christian Slater and Ralphie all in one thumbnail!

@JayM928 Ай бұрын

Every girl I’ve met that likes typical “guy” entertainment had a story that basically went: “I love [this]. I have wonderful memories of growing up watching [it] with MY DAD.”

@jorgem.1564 Ай бұрын

Who spends more money Star Wars? Not what percentage watches what. Who spends the most money? It's not even close.

@LordCastleHail Ай бұрын

100% boy brand. From 1984 to 1991, there was not a single girl I knew that liked SW. Boys bought the toys and kept it alive.

@Tential1 Ай бұрын

They have a large female audience but never wrote a good female character, and said female. Audience never shows up to boxoffice... Right....

@Grimtheorist Ай бұрын

She sure does interrupt a lot.

@2masterofpuppets2 Ай бұрын

Remember getting happy meals with boy toys or girl toys? If you got an action figure that was a boy toy. Times are crazy

@MiaogisTeas Ай бұрын

If you like, you can never invite her back. While it's fun to watch someone do the solipsistic meme in real time, it gets tiring when I want to hear other people speaking.

@lorij3786 Ай бұрын

I will say this what Disney has done to Star Wars and Marvel and Doctor Who and Star Trek and Indiana Jones, is to demasculize and absolutely all those franchises to destroy them from with him to push the message. Even the prequel‘s were horrible and they were all approved by George Lucas,

@queueeeee9000 Ай бұрын

Kinda hard to follow what your saying in the first sentence

@lorij3786 Ай бұрын

@@queueeeee9000 sorry..lol.. I used that voice to text thing.. obviously it didn’t write what I was saying.. Disney has ruined every single branch it owns ad bought, all for the blackrock/DEI/WEF/the message credits.. They pay to have children mutilated and change their hormones, they are part of the epstein and the sound of freedom.. They are a very horrible company And Lucas has up including last week, supported Disney in every project

@blueshattrick Ай бұрын

2:00 Not sure why this girl feels personally offended by SW labeled a "boy brand", but it totally is (or *was* more accurately) Here's a good test.. lookup Triumph the insult comic dog @ AOTC premiere, a pretty legendary video/remote from Conan O'Brien show For every 100 guys waiting for the movie, there *might be 1 girl.. it's so rare that they actually make a joke out of how few women are there

@Theb0YWh0lived1 Ай бұрын

See. I’ve always looked at Star Wars as a brand for everyone. Now it’s a brand for everyone but Star Wars fans.

@spaceknight793 Ай бұрын

She's wrong, DEAD WRONG. The target audience--as stated by Lucas at that time--was 15 year old BOYS. He also pointed to comic book shows as his audience, which was overwhelmingly males 15-35. Now that said, is it NOT for girls? Of course not. But here's a very important truth... Girls consume Boy content at a far higher rate than boys consume girl content. Girls are very flexible in that way. So yes, many girls enjoy Star Wars. Another point... why market to boys? Because boys SPEND MONEY on what they like. Girls? Not so much. The money is why entertainment is marketed towards specific demographics. To this day, LFL couldn't pay its electric bill on the 'girl money' they receive. Lucas generated $18 billion in merch, almost all aimed at boys. What happened when Lucas marketed SW at both boys and girls (around 1985-87)? The merch sales dried up. The ewok movies and cartoons did not sustain merch sales and so they went away. When SW merch made a big comeback? Aimed at boys. The Star Wars RPG game, the SW comics, the SW novels, and then in 1995 the action figure line returned...all aimed at boys. Why? Was SW sexist? Not at all. They just knew where the money was.

@colt5189 Ай бұрын

Star Wars toys are in the boys toy aisle.

@Makeroomformushrooms Ай бұрын

Ive never wanted a sandwich more than the kast 30 seconds of this vid😅😅😂😂

@sharksbreath7 Ай бұрын

Anecdotal evidence is pointless. Of course it was a boy brand, look at any toy ad from the 70s and 80s.

@user-gk2wg1du7d Ай бұрын

Star Wars being a boys brand was a long long time ago. Disney is a princess factory, their protagonists all need tiaras.

@987grgg Ай бұрын

When I was a kid they used to sell boys Star Wars underwear, they didn’t make girls Star Wars underwear. Girls are aloud to like whatever they want but Star Wars was always marketed to boys until recently.

@chrisjenkins9978 Ай бұрын

Star Wars has always been a Boys-Brand. Boys have always liked mechanical things like cars, spaceships, guns, laser guns and the adventures that go along with their use. What girls like about Star Wars is the handsome Han Solo and the cute Luke Skywalker but, that doesn’t make it a girl-brand. Girls like the prince and the princess aspect of the story but, not so much the fighting and SiFi technology. As long as the prince and princess get together at the end of the fairytale, they are content. If you remove the prince from the story, the female audience will disappear.

@lovesickforone Ай бұрын

My wife is smarter and a much quicker learner than I am and she grew up reading Tolkien. BUT, the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars aren't what makes her come alive in conversation... with men it's different. Women can love and be a fan on some level of guy brands but unless they're like this chick and trying to prove something... I've never met one female fan of boy brands that come alive in conversation and passion in the same way as my many male friends do. Same in reverse with Jane Austen or romcoms. I love them. I bought them all my life. I'm the exception among other men, but even still I'm not going to come alive in the same way that my wife does every time she watches Alan Rickman as Colonel Brandon in Sense and Sensibility.

@numbuh1507 Ай бұрын

Well, Phineas and Ferb was a Disney franchise and it was marketed well towards boys

@wheelz314 Ай бұрын

I had totally forgotten about Ashton Birdie. I'm annoyed that she's back on my radar

@lance134679 Ай бұрын

Thing is, the women that liked Star Wars before liked as it was.

@Doggieworld3Show Ай бұрын

Maybe. But I like SW and I definitely love X-wings and Millennium Falcons!

@ionuorah Ай бұрын

So is Star Trek. Didn't George Lucas say he made Star Wars specifically for boys?

@THARG67 Ай бұрын

Same as 'Action Man,sisters Sindys were 'Spoils of War

@TheBullDurham Ай бұрын

Women tend to collect things to show other people while men collect things for themself just to have them. Most women who are "in to Star Wars" are making their living from reviewing it or are using it to show men that they share their interest. There is nothing wrong with women liking it but there is a huge difference between liking something and being obsessed with it and inspired by it. Seeing the first movie in the theater was almost a religious experience that only those that were there, when it came out, would know. The story was ok but the world and the way it looked was an mind opening experience. Yeah George's dialogue is weak but he was an artistic wizard of cinematic photography.