In the fight to become the top next-generation RTS, we now have Stormgate, Zero Space, and SC Brood War 😂

"The arbiter counters everything that is not a defiler" Artosis

Fun fact about mind control in Broodwar. Supply of each race was considered different kind of supply. So if you took control of enemy worker and start building up, You could build up to 600 supply (200 for each race if you play against 2 opponents with different races), making Protoss kind of busted xD

SC2 Psionic Storm deals 80 damage in the target area in small packets over 2.85 seconds, and hits both air and ground units. It injures friendly units caught in the area of effect of 1.5 SC Brood War Inflicts total 112 damage to all units within a target area over 3 seconds (14 damage in 8-frames intervals, starting from the 16th frame after cast, resulting in 8 damage instances over 64 frames).

no +3 melee and no adrenal glands was painful for how much lings and ultras he made.

“Nexus first into … forge?” Hearing lowko express such confusion at basic brood war opening optimization is very funny. For those not in the know maps in brood war have to be balanced around what can and can’t be done. Entrances to bases have to be wide but not so wide as to make it impossible to defend against a four pool. Most modern maps, including fighting spirit, are designed to allow for a wall off against early aggression in order to get a fast expansion up. For Protoss it’s usually gateway and forge with a single zealot to plug the hole. In brood war canons are very necessary to defend against a wide variety of early Zerg rushes.

"I don't see how zerg counters maelstrom and stasis" SC2 ultra being immune to both: am I a joke to you?

REAVER REAVER REAVER REAVER REAVER

It was so stupid even back in Brood War but I would love to see the OG Banelings: Infested Terrans

i know its hard work to make custom assets but i would love to see a brood war star style photon cannon. those things are sick.

Lowko: "More StarCraft Evolution?" Everyone here: "Yes please" Edit: You mention at 25:05 that Arbiter does not have an attack which is incorrect. At least in Brood Wars they had an attack and still had in Legacy of the Void campaign. Unless the mod creator tweaked it to remove the Arbiter attack.

Loving the SC: Evo content, Lowko. Keep up xD

The thing I really love about this mod is that it's basically following in the footsteps of Command and Conquer 3 & Kane's Wrath and what that game did with sub-factions. Which added a whole lot more depth and choice and playstyle differentiation to that game. I mean, there will arise a need to balance some things eventually, when the meta is more understood, but even the concept of having SC2 engine and 6 factions to choose from.. that's undeniably refreshing and exiting and can only be a good thing for both games.

14:00 what a beautiful "Artosis Pylon"

“Never seen this match up yet”, literally streamed it before) love you man. Getting old sucks.

this mod has really peaked my fancy for starcraft again.

YES please do more sc1 vs sc2 vids.

Lowko, the Arbiter does have an attacking ability. It has the same attacking ability as the dragoon, but it's just too slow.

I've been saying it since this trend to play this mod started, that more players need to start using the brood war spells and finally, someone did! Now I wanna see some sc1 Terran using lockdown vs sc2 Terran mech/protoss mech (sc1/2).

if a barcode player prefers the armour upgrade instead of the weapon upgrade it is 100% Byun

Thanks for the video, Lowko. Can never get enough of this.

More starcraft Evolution? Hell yeah!

31:38 "that was she said" hahahahahah i get that reference Michael Scott xD

I love these SC2 vs SC1. Keep them coming!

Loving these games! Fun to see the old vs the new!

I hope you cast more of these normal competitive games are nice but this is a breath of fresh air and new entertainment thank you lowko

Finally protoss feels stable and powerful again.

I want to see Serral play SC1 Zerg in the future match ups 😁

Man, I kinda hope that the Brood War archons in this mod get their attack animations reworked. I loved how beefy their attacks looked in SC1

about 20 years ago I was playing one of the big money maps and went scouts. had about 3 dozen when my opponent scouted them. He mocked me called me a noob. and challenged me to attack him. So I flew around to the back side of his base and destroyed his mining before he could get his goliaths back to his base. The goliaths moved in single file through his base so he couldn't bring them in any significant numbers. Scouts had their place.

These games have made me go back and watch your play through of sc1 again lmao

Maelstrom is basically old fungal growth with no projectile that also prevents attacking. In combination with storm beats everything except ultras.

More starcraft evolution please, it has reinvigorated my interest in starcraft

The final clash was so epic

Yea, that was a big discussion point around early WOL days. The way units stack up in SC2 makes AOE insanely strong. Siege tanks used to deal full 80 damage to both light and armored units in SC2, that was nerfed heavily, a line of tanks would blast zealots from the AOE alone. Storm was nerfed aswell. The deathball meta that followed the nerfs to AOE damage was the first thing that made BW veterans realise it was not gonna be the same, some quit at that point and went back to BW.

4:04 First of all, in this version of a mod you *can* see BW on BW, I've seen couple of games like that. Secondly, there are 2 other versions of this mod, although not activly supported, from the devs comments on *some* of the videos (Also, I don't remember the names of other versions, so I will give summary descriptions of them): First one is what I call "More Balance edition", because it features more balance changes, aswell as completly new units and upgrades; Second one is purely Starcraft 1/Brood War in Starcraft 2 - no Sc2 races and *most* mecanics from Starcraft 1 are present, such as highground miss chance.

32:55 "You wanna see if I've got the minerals?"

Malestorm into Psi-storm is my favorite. Ah nostalgia ^_^

I think SC1 spells are more powerful for a few reasons such as them being balanced for a game that has much more challenging unit control. Like... Storm damage doesnt stack, and if you're not up on your control, you'll accidentally waste A Lot of templar energy accidentally telling all of them to storm the exact same area. Meanwhile SC2 Storm is much more user-friendly thus energy efficient, so SC2 reducing its damage and duration seems very reasonable in that context.

MOAR

the sole reason why Terran bio units (marines & medics) are never used against Protoss in SC1 was Reavers and Psionic Storms, spells were nasty back then

more starcraft evolution? YES PLEASE!

YES MORE PLEASE

When I saw how similar the Stasis VFX and Sentry fields look, the first thing that popped to mind was to break it with Ravager biles.

Honestly one of the reasons I really enjoy your StarCraft content is because you use clean language and I don’t have to worry about hearing you swear. ❤ I appreciate your efforts and love your content!

I'm really hoping we get a SC1 Zerg game; I wanna see how absolutely bonkers the Defiler/Queen is!

You know that barcode has never played Broodwar Toss before with that Reaver play

as i expected in game even you have large base or territory tactics always is the key

By my knowledge, the Arbiter does have an attack ability though. @25:07

So the mad men remade Fighting Spirit indeed XD

that was actually a ridiculessly cool game. damn protoss need their good combo abilities back, and Z need their big scary monsters etc.. it looks damn cool. a ttw SC mod could be awesome :P

please keep the SC2 Evo content coming!

Wow this is what SC2 toss should have been. No warp gate or mothership (death ball) gimmicks. Just solid units and abilities.

Yo great video! Also arbiters do have attack of their own, its just quite weak

It would be funny if the Protoss 1 mind controlled a Zerg 2 drone while the Zerg 2 mind controls a Protoss 1 probe making it a really cursed game.

i remember i was able to mind control ultralisk in brood war?

storm in SC2 in WOL was like this but they nerf it bc it was too easy for P to smart cast it, so it was nerfed to what it is now days

fun game

YES, more StarCraft Evolution!!! oh, I totally forgot about the different way to spread creep in BW, lol and....ah, the SC1 DT attack sound :D 25:03 Lowko: obviously the Arbital doesn't have a attacking ability of its own Me: it attacked just before you said that, lol *lowko blindness strikes again*

10:10 that would make this ZvBP into a ZBPvZBP.

Compared to maelstrom and stasis, seems ghost's lockdown is way less obnoxious. Lockdown can only do mechanical units, terran don't have a big AOE that hits both ground and air follow up usually. Although I always find lockdown very hard to deal with.

More please

Can we see some zerg gameplay ? Especially how defilers plague work on marine bio sc2

In Brood War if you can get away with it going Nexus first is a very strong build Mini almost always goes for it in ASL matches if he can. The combination of Maelstrom and Storm is soo good Best destroyed Action in their round of 8 match during ASL S15. I also think Lowko needs to cast the Action vs Sn0w during the SC1 Vs SC2 Supermatch.

Oh lowko you are so funny I already clicked the like button

Has there been many sc1sc2 mirror matches? Would be interesting to see how BW protoss holds againts sc2 protoss

The spells in bw are stronger simply because there are less of them. Also, casting spells in bw was far more difficult. If you selected multiple casters and cast a spell, ALL the casters would cast that spell. So you would build a small number of casters to augment your army to make it easier to keep them spread out. Deathballing in bw was basically never done and major fights would be engaged at multiple points across entire maps with a stream of units.

Amazing game!!!!

Can't wait for sc2 units in a sc1 mod

More Starcraft Evolution? More Starcraft Evolution!!

Is there some statistical evaluation of what wins mostly

24:55 - Don't you mean the Ravens look like Terran Arbiters?

I wonder if the modder can make it so that DT in BW don't give out the alarm when they 1 shot things. It would make BW DT stand out more than SC2 counter part.

Nobody says tribbunal, Lowko XD.

storm in brood war did 112 damage over 8 ticks and it ticks once ever .33s (starting 0.67s after the spell is cast is the first tick) (taken from liquidpedia)

Ahh, of course, the mealstrom. :)

This mod looks freaking amazing... I would love to see a "mixture" of both though. Old zerg with the new creep mechanics, old protoss with the new warping mechanics, and old terran with reactors/techlabs. Kind of the old units with the new mechanics (the flying queen spreading creep would be weird, tbh)

we need a same-race (sc2 vs brood war)

How is his English so good man, I’m jealous every time 😂

MORE!

Brood War vs SC2 is so interesting. Brood War lacks so many units compared to SC2. Gateway for Broodwar is 4 units, for SC2 its 6. Dragoons dont have an active ability. Zealots don't. Sentry is a whole new spellcaster. Adept is another active extra unit. When you build a robo facility you get 3 units in SC2 vs 1 in Brood War. Brood War requires a building for every new unit: Observatory, Robotics Bay Same for Terran, Academy for Firebat + research instead of a techlab/reactor Meanwhile Zerg do still get the whole building unlocks new things with Baneling Next, but ravager doesn't require it. It's very interesting how Bloated SC2 is and how it incorporated elements from warcraft 3 to the starcraft universe with all the new active spells and side units.

Can a SCII Infestor control an SCI drone and make a hatchery? If they do, do he has to upgrade the SCII units separated of the SCI ones? Does anything get shared other than the creep?

In the UK tribunal is pronounced tribe-you-null, I've never heard it pronounced trib

I think the SC2 spellcasters would benefit from a little more rock paper scissors interaction. The only 2 existing interactions they have that I can think of is the range of feedback (vs ghost and/or vipers) and the neural a ghost to emp the whole group. I image a setup where EMP and Guardian Shield could have an interaction. And maybe in the case of this mod maybe dark swarm? Where EMP gets lower impact under the shield or they cancel eachother on contact or something. I think we shouldn't do a straight up nerf or massive change to any of the spellcasters because it'll feel terrible. But adding interactions will just make the game more dynamic and fun.

Previously one of the theoretical explanations for SC2's Storms getting damage nerf was that SC2 units are more clumped than SC1. However with this mod, it would seem that SC1's Storms are objectively better than SC2's.

Maestro storm sounds alot like funkar parabomb. Zerg casters got the good stuff

So what's next? WC3 races vs SC2 races?

Arbiters do actually have an attack. It's not very strong, but they do have it

can you pernament clock zerg units with burrow using arbiter trick in sc2?

That Maelstrom+Psi Storm combo seem kinda busted. But I'm not too sure.

No wonder why Reavers are nerfed in Cosmonarchy in terms of shoot/hit ratio.

Stasis might need a nerf, but not a big one. Scouts definitely need a big buff. I would prefer to leave Dark Archon alone, Maelstrom is powerful, but it only works on bio, and SC2 Ultras are immune to it, so Zerg does have an answer to it. I think the transition to Broodlords was a mistake, he should have stuck with Ultras!

26:54 problem is they are core off all armies and only P should have many spellcasters off different types with huge impact. terran should only have nukes,emp and armor missile; stuff where adding more doesnt do much, zergs should be basically spellcaster free; with their spellcasters more like harassing units like plague cast, the kill twin unit spawn spell, etc. where again massing them is no more effective than having a few off them. in short races should have different strength but through the balance off numbers and lack off focus on anything everything has turned out to just be the same, its a question off math with no uncertainties other than your lack off apm and ability to focus under stress; which are not things i personally enjoy being tested

My favorite SC unit in my game is the reavers, so if I see one, I click.

I dedicate this game to the one singular Protoss Scout, The One Scout! ♥

WE NEED THE LOST TEMPLE MAP

these are amazing I love broodwar

Lingo comment: hello Lowko, your guess about the different pronunciations of "Tribunal" is correct, as far as I can tell. TRAI for Americans, TRI for Brits (only as far as language standards go, of course).

oh man, Dragoon is one of best-looking unit in SC1. Was so disappointed when blizzard change them to stalkers....

Actually SC1 arbiters do have an attack, it just looks like a dragoon projectile, also it kind of sucks.