23:18 "The ultimate Terran composition is SKYTOSS with Thor support as well..." - Lowko 2020 I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of THAT composition... O_o

20:32 That was the best use of widowmines I've ever seen

20:25 This is what you are here to see

marine: where's our air support? airsupport: carrier has arrived

Lowko with 400 APM: I'm not fast enough Me with 60: Guess i'm dead

For what it's worth, I love watching what you call "Turtle" play. I prefer to think of it as siege warfare. It forces Zerg to go for that that high economy/swarmy style like the race was intended. Think of it this way: if humans landed on a planet where they needed to mine some minerals, and they knew that a zerg-like hostile alien race was out there waiting for them, wouldn't we set up a lot of defense and try to protect our economy before expanding?

As a watcher of Beastyqt I am somewhat disappointed that the "80 supply" refers to the _enemy losses_ not the actual mines themselves.

Did you finish researching "Neosteel Frame" for your roof? Hope everything is good with that!

"i think the ultimate terran composition is probably skytoss" LOWKO circa 2020

The Zerg: *Are Space Locusts* Terrans: "Aight. Imma mine you out." Zerg: *Surprised Pikachu face*

There is a holy trinity of Strategy that most good strategy games employ: The Rush, Turtle, Tech trinity. Rush beating Tech. Tech beating Turtle. Turtle beating Rush. A turtle should be in SC2 to beat specific timing attacks. But not as good as teching as a Fast-Tech. Essencially: Rush Early Game: 5 Mid game: 3 Late game: 2 You sacrifice your lategame a bit for more pressure. High risk high reward. Turtle Early Game: 4 Mid game: 4 Late game: 3 You sacrifice agression for safety. Tech Early Game: 2 Mid game: 3 Late game: 5 Also high risk high reward. If you pull through the early game, your lategame will be insane.

That drop came out of nowhere, beautiful.

Lowko how could you possibly finish a game like that and not show us the stats at the end. How many resources mined/lost, units lost and average apm all would be super interesting for a game this long

8:18 rip marine, he was just trying to get to his friends T_T

One of the things that makes starcraft so interesting is the wide range of strategies that are viable. I think turtling should be just as viable as every other strategy so that way we see the most diverse games.

The creep spread from SoO this game was crazy good. I can't remember seeing much better than this.

I guess TY has been watching BeastQT's widow mines and ravens only series

39:03 "He can make Zegrlings whoope doo" Honestly that would be one of the best moves he could have done. I played almost mech only when i played SC2 and the biggest counter to Thors are the cheapest units like Marines and Zerglings cause the Thor attacks basically leave them at 5-10 hp and have to attack twice, lowering their effective DPS. And in this situation TY had only Thors and Liberators which are both ineffective against swarms of enemies.

I do like these change for terran, it does feel thematic in a sense, the terran bulking up and withstanding the swarm to come back with a vengeance. The zerg have incredible speed and should be the aggressor lore wise.

The turtle play is ok, but it can get annoying if it goes on too long. But I like being able to hold off the enemy until I'm ready to push. I just love watching soO's creep progression. He took like 70% of the map with it. I am terrible at remembering to spread creep in addition to expanding and building my army.

When you were complaining about turtle mech and not being fast enough, all I could think was "Old Man Lowko"

23:22 yes LowkoTV, the ultimate Terran comp IS Skytoss. The tricky part is getting those Carriers out in time ;)

35:42 "securing another base that was supposed to be ( -the zerg- ) terrence" pepega lowko

when it comes to infestors, their new spell really seems bad, but what was the original purpose of it? as far as i know, it was supposed to replace the anti-air function of infested terrans (at which it sucks apparently). so, how about we get rid of Microbial Shroud and bring Scourges into the game? single target low health flying anti-air nukes would fulfill the anti-air need far better than the infestor spell (+ Scourge is Scourge, that little annoying bat-like creature is iconic for broodwar starcraft, isnt it?)

Wow. I didn't realize that was a 42 minute long match :O At the end you could see how much of a difference terran was ahead with, by having 4k 4k resources plus the army plus the opponent being at 3 workers for like the last ten minutes. I also liked how the terran player was just like "lol, I have mules" effectively when he just mined out soos resources. This has been a scholarly essay.

I've been out of the SC2 loop for a few years, found this channel and it is INSANELY ENTERTAINING! The play is off the charts and I really enjoy the passion. I love watching these matches.

So crazy and fun, turtling is not perfect game style to watch but occasionally having one game that can accompany you through a lunch alone during work is actually great lol.

"Whatever type of play helps Serral win most easily should be encouraged." -Lowko, probably

A war of attrition.

Todays weather forecast shows light showers of mines followed by a torrent of chunky salsa.

To be honest, i normally enjoy the Long Games of StarCraft II a Lot, but this one felt kind of over for a long time and except for the 10 Seconds widow Mine drop, there wasn t really much happening. Without your nice casting, i probably would Not have watchted through the whole Thing. Have an amazing day and do not forget to smile! :)

"He's been mining all the bases of the Terran" Yes. All Your Base Belong To Us. The Zerg Bugs Are Weak. All Your Base Belong To The Terrans.

Can you include the dates that the games were played in the description? That'd be pretty helpful!

The ultimate terran composition is probably skytoss XD 23:20

3:48 You're always not fast enough, only the fastest can be.

I think the deciding factor was near the beginning when soO stuck around TSGTYTY's base. That period of time he just wandered around the base while the battlecruisers destroyed one of the hives.

marines: calling for air support.... widowmine bombers inbound..

"Hello, my name is lowko, and welcome to another game of StarCraft 2."

8:21 that marine got betrayed and it was so sad

23:20 "Ultimate Terran composition is probably skytoss"

You did cast a Serral game, and he just styled on every single Thor with Viper yoinks. I remember thinking "wow, so much for new Terran mech", but it turns out pretty much only Serral can pull it off.

Mine drop at 20:26

I saw the "80 SUPPLY WIDOW MINE DROP!" title and I said: Ohhh... maybe is a florencio's game, then I saw the TY vs soO and I was "awwww, well...."

Lowko is like the Battle cruisers, he won't tactically jump into saying what the meta is yet. Clever boi

"you need like 600 apm" >Me having seen seral at points spike up to 1600, ah, so that's how the madman does it.

That drive by with the widow mines was absolutely nuts! The amount of APM required to pull that off while managing the fight with the thors while dropping them in with afterburner medivacs to then borrow. The skill from TY was seething out from him in that play!

Lowko: *mentions 42* Me. *GASP*

I totally agree with your opinion, in that I too hope that it doesn't become the standard play/meta. Beautiful Starcraft is when there are drops happening, backstabs, mid map battles, base for base clashes, burrowed sneak attacks, baneling mines and stuff like that.

Firstly I'm a Zerg player and I would really like to see more bio plays. I think a new and nice upgrade would work. For example in the techlab a 100/100 update to get a third slot in the barracks. Would be nice to see some pro's testing this. I really enjoy to play against bio T but if the player is good it's still a really good balanced game where both sides can easily win.

Looks like Soo not learning any thing from serral at this time. If serral was in this game he would have picked all thors one by one with vipers and made sure TY never got this many! From start it was inevitable, nor Soo made 40 infestors and nuraled all thors! Thanks Lowko as usual for the content ♥

when I read the title I thought it was gonna be a 40-mine drop...oops

Turtle should be a risk-reward, just like everything else. Rock-paper-scisors style. Rush>Turtle>Agressive macro or something of the sort. So conditionally encouraged

That was actually the sickest play I’ve seen in awhile

Holy crap caustic spray is so good. It reminds my of the reaper snipes from WoL when they still had that detonation charge

As a zerg player, i have to say: THAT DROP WAS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!!

LoL commentator was legit like *paraphrasing* “i have this opinion...” followed by “i don’t know what i’m talking about.”

I don't feel like you can ever get rid of turtling at least as far as Terran is concerned without some drastic design changes. Terran is literally designed to be good at turtling and that design is emphasized in the campaign (something many people use as a tutorial/introduction) with Terran getting way more turtling mission than the other two races.

Very simple fix for BC: tactical jump cost energy, so you can choose, make high damage with Yamato and then pay the price or cowardly jump away after some harass... Having both available at a same time is OP :P

You think this is a slow game man Age of empires will make you laugh but do I love seeing Lowko commentate and these high teir players are on a whole nother level

I personally think that turtle play should still exist solely for the reason that Starcraft 2 needs a playerbase. I know that a lot of people are platinum league and supposedly that means they don’t play like that, but people always start somewhere, namely silver league. For balancing a game at the pro level, turtling situations are easy to create. It shouldn’t be a thing tho, because it leads to just many games that are all the exact same as the last one which is bad, especially for me as a player who actively tries to just have fun, and sitting around for 20 minutes is just plain boring. Granted it’s probably why I’ll never leave gold league but still. Also your videos are dope, and I always enjoy your casts and watching you play on stream, even if I’m too crunched for money to sub or donate. I promise that the first 5 bucks that I can save, and aren’t used for paying for something will go straight to you

Remembered this game and had to search for it and come back to watch this insane carpet bomb again. Legendary.

Another point to add, the answer to shutting down good early/middle game players is to turtle. Rush, Tech, and Turtle are the holy trinity of strategy games. You can't hate one of them. They all go hand in hand. For me, Lowko just hates turtling because he doesn't know how to handle it.

Anyone else notice that SUV freaking out that his homies were being attacked @5:10 in the top left

Half of me wants to say "Hey look, suddenly the Zerg has problems with all the turtling in SC2. Where were you guys in the last 10 years, we really could have used your voice against the unbeatable turtle Zergs for 2 and a half expansions" and leave it at that, but the other half really does agree. Turtling leads to games with only 1 battle in a long, long game - and those games are IMO the absolute worst. The more fights there are before the game is decided, the better.

They finally fix ZERG....AND LOWKO balance 🍷? 🤭😂 "Shame...🔔.shame.🔔...shame...🔔shame.🔔..shame"

35:41 didn't know that spot belonged to terran this whole time

lokow, Did you see the belings returning back from the atack when he press the the hot key (f2) for the army? in the minute 36 at 55 seconds, and then he realice after 60 seconds at the minute 37 and 42 seconds, and he send them back to the terran expantion.

TY is a Terran GOD!!!! that was crazy

Lowko:This is going to be only one mach Me:[noticing it is 40 minutes long] Wow

the most beautiful mine drop I have ever seen. imagine what would have. happened if he landed a armor piercing by raven before hand. I did that once against 20 musts and they just vanished ;]

Seeing this cast makes me back, even more, your scourge proposal for Zerg

The Drilling Mine Carpet Drop was also done by Cure against Rogue that Winter casted.

Next Balance Patch Update ZERG: Zergling, Roach, Hydralisk, Ultralisk, Mutalisk, Infestor, Queen units removed from game. Drones and Overlords can now cast Microbial Shroud. Microbial Shroud energy cost increased to 200. TERRAN: All Terran units gain Yamato Cannon and Tactical Jump ability. Energy cost for Mules removed. Mules HP increased to 200. Lowko: "You know that would make this terran composition better? Ghosts. Don't be salty Zerg players! What's your win condition?"

40:25 Thor: ouch! SCV: *hugs Better? Thor: yes thank-you

Infestor range is fine with a range of 8. Also, we can't call Serral GOAT until he proves his salt with the new Zerg balance.

i saw title and thought he was dropping 80 supply worth of widowmines lol

Blizzard should add a dual monitor compatibility for Starcraft 2 and add an option to customize what you see. If that is possible that would be the ultimate commanders view.

Felt like a Starcraft one game w the turtle and mech love it!

Outside of hearing Lowko complain about balance all game, this was actually an amazing game. Broods also still have the longest range in the game because of Broodlings. The Broodlings are the problem and the solution. Sure give Broodlords the longest range again but stop making them shoot out units and make them projectiles like everyone else. Buffing Thors was a response to this imbalance. Reverting would be taking steps backward, not forward. Zerg is imo the coolest race, but the silliest because they have such strange casters and 'other unit creating' attacks. Things like Broodlings and Infested Terran are cool but obviously cause too many problems for balance.

That widow mine drop...what a sight to behold

If no one's better late game, and no one's better early game, then there's still no real pressure to fight.

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this particular match is more interesting to watch their is a ebb and flow in the battle that is interesting. Most turtle games are not like this it really is posturing waiting for the full battle a little else going on. So if the turtle games go like this I don't mind

Remember how the spoon terran used nukes to make the most of his mech army?

Incredible methodical terran gameplay, slow pushing for base control. Zerg a-moves banelings.

Gotta say I'm a little disappointed this game didn't load up with that dank **BWAAAAAAA BWWWWUUUUAAAAA** trumpet song.

Lowko, so far I've had really good result with Hydra viper against a Thor based army. Thors suck up a ton of resources and suck up a terrans bank very fast. Pig also recently uploaded a video where he killed avilo by hitting the army with Hydra viper and hitting bases with swarm hosts

Teran turtles because there's no other option

,,Hello my Name is Lowko and welcome to an other match of Starcraft 2" I miss this sentence

Balance suggestion: Add scourge as an option for broods. So they pick what they “produce”. Add in a research to increase speed or armor? of scourge and broodlings. That might help balance vs turtles. Not sure it will help vs thors.

Normally you don't want to use BCs to defend against corruptors, one if even 1 dies that sets u back for a lot, two the enemy will start building turrets.

any play should be allowed thats what makes the game fun and diverse. You have to realized that starcraft 2 is a game and and its up to the player how to play their game

That widow mine moment felt like something Nova would do in Co-op

"...AND HE GETS A HUGE DETONATION, OH F..." Lowko, sir, you have my respect for managing not to finish that sentence the way most of us would :D

5:17 scv on the high ground. Me during a test when I stuck on 2 questions that r not on the same page

Every Zerg player: I like playing a bio army

Beautiful casting as always. Lowko, I think 400-450 APM is plenty fast enough. Perhaps the fact that professionals practice 12 hours a day (or whatever it is, a lot) so that their APM is all accurate and no spam is more to the point. But I don't want you to do that because I love your content :-)

Finally the Raven in TvZ and it´s great, i really don´t understand why not more pro´s play with Raven in TvZ.

Here is how to solve the long game issue. Add new structures that gives stackable mapwide buffs. The game then becomes who can keep alive the more of those structures while destroying enemy structures.

I would love to see a feature length movie of sc2 that revolves around the moment with the widow mines.