Winter

Right now I'm pretty sure Inno still takes the title, if Serral lasts another 3 years that'll be cool though EDIT: Oh yeah forgot about soO lol

Life! :》

ALL with 3 L ?

MC

because he got spoiled already. somebody just tell lowko that innovation nuke himself so lowko doesn't surprised

Cause they were already pretty much dead with the chain fungal anyway, if the nuke wasn't there it would have just been a few more fungal and a few corruptor shots instead.

I was just about to write that too. That nuke on the Vikings was awesome

@@Laezar1 wouldn't that mean that's more energy wasted off the infestors though?

Any one got a gif of that nuke? :P

nothing he can do in this Lategame state of XvZ...no matter if Terran or Protoss, they both get absolutly rekt by a good Lategameplaying Zerg like Serral without having any option to counter the heavy Infestor/BL composition.

backrope is the term in boxing which basically means he is cornered, losing.

Yeah; this game was over after a few minutes. Serral is patient and does not like to take unnecessary risks, but boy this was the most boring match ive watched in a long time. Nukes are such a meme against top tier players as well; at least he managed to get his own vikings though... oh yeah and a handfull of drones against a guy with 20k in the bank... not sure which is more pointless.

@@eelcohoogendoorn8044 it's not only serral being God like in his micro. This game was completely fungal growth it really needs to be be nerfed like raven ability was nerfed. And that is only the beginning. Broodlings (infinite units shouldn't exist). And curroptors are just too op. With that combinaison. Tell me am wrong.

@@tommythunder7498 You're wrong, infestors are just getting a nerf. Terrans have MULEs for economy boost. Nukes can s you over really hard if you are preoccupied. Game is pretty balanced, but at the end of the day even with same quality players it all comes down to lagggggggggggg

man if he didnt told me i definetly wouldnt have known

These are always the worst and most predictable comments. Stop making them please.

@@quintus920 why stopping? Does it kill anykitten? Does it *disturb* you?

@Mister Ious wow

@@quintus920 Yeah, must be the reason Lowko liked it. Such a bad comment smh

We've seen hydra/carrier and ling/nuke on this channel. If ever there's a patch that opens up a way for Terrans to build a hatchery, we'll probably see it on this channel.

@@konstantinkh the patch is Zerg Infestor itself. ;D

@@jkobain NP a probe, build a Nexus and then destroy it through consuming with a viper, not damaging the shields. Classic.

"unusual addition for INnoVation's strategy" the infestors are made for countering innovation strategy.

lol good catch :D The amount of micro these guys can pump out is just amazing :)

It was actually SCV’s chasing the Spore Crawler not Drones.

This should be top comment, everyone has to see that

@@blebgoegbleb haha thanks man :)

lol

xD

the old school marine widow mine vs ling bane muta tug of war was a lot more fun to watch though, now it feels like zerg just defends and rushes BL infestor, and terran just turtles with ghost liberator and throws nukes.

If we go this route then Zerg units should produce much faster. You can't just make Brood lords and infestors and then just lose them and think that you max out again in seconds. Raven nerfs were justifiable. At least the earlier splash spell was just ridiculous and broken. We also literally watching the best player at the moment. It should be not a huge surprise when he wins and makes it look easy. And lastly it is kinda pointless to cry about nerfs, when those are coming soon.

@@KingOfBlades27 That nerf will only weaken infestor infested terrans, which were efficient only against air units, and it can still prevent terran BC from teleporting or turning one BC against another by controling them. So while this nerf help protoss a bit, it still doesn't change TvZ. Infestor and Viper will still make zerg late army more cost-efficient, and since zerg players always have superior bank, they'll tear terran apart. Personally I don't care much about nerfing zerg in general, but rather giving terran toll to stand a chance against zerg late game. Like I said before, Infestor/Viper make fragile vikings nearly useless. Infestor/Vipers also make terran battle mech easy to kill since they are very fragile and die easily if they can't keep distance. Even Bio don't like Infestor spells, and expensive ghosts seem to die before doing anything at all. Raven in the past may seem OP, but only because for the first time terran had an actual tool to fight zerg late-game head on. Ever since the nerf late game TvZ is just zerg tearing terran apart. It all comes down to how versable infestor is now. It works perfect with army, perfect when massed, and counters nearly every army composition. Infestor now is like High Templar but on steroids. Raven and Ghost are nowhere near as good in comparation. (I dunno if new Ghost upgrade will allow them to EMP infestors from now on, but Raven's only role nowdays seem to be for TvT).

@@kmpgos4158 Ghost buff will make ghost way better. Also infestors have been like this for long time. I can agree that Infestor is a bit too strong. But if you start nerfing it's other abilities then what exactly are Zerg players options in late game? Zerg really doesn't have other consistent/reliable late game options than playing like Serral is playing here. And doing it isn't easy.

@@KingOfBlades27 It's not that zerg doesn't have much of a choice, but rather that Broodlords were often called GGlords, because the moment they are out, the game is over. Thor was buffed to help deal with them, but I don't see any pro terrans winning with Thors or Ghosts in their armies. The issue here is that Infestor/Viper provide so much useful support, that Broodlords are nearly untouchable. (While Broodlord on its own have many weaknesses, Infestor/Viper cover those weaknesses perfectly). Also, I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care much about nerfing zerg late-game, but rather improve terran spellcasters. Maybe they can give an upgrade that takes very long time to finish, but adds damage to Raven bombs, or if 50 damage per bomb is too much, why not give it 75 damage that doesn't stack (15 damage for per second for 5 seconds). Or they can just allow this upgrade to I dunno, reduce opponent's speed, so Anti-Armor missile will not just reduce enemy armor, but also allow terran to capitalize of it. At the moment whenever anti-armor missile hit something, terran can never take advantage, but if opponent will be slower, this would prevent enemy from retreating. Mobility is very important, so being able to slow down enemy army for long period of time would make Raven a solid support unit rather than solo TvT tool.

@Cgi Dude Funny, because Infestor spell not only slow down opponent by 75% but also do overtime damage to them, so I see nothing wrong with Raven bombs doing overtime damage as well to even things out. And if damae overtime is too much, just let anti-armor missile slow down enemy army. I mean, what's the point of reducing armor of the enemy if they will just withdraw, wait for it to pass and re-engade. Raven was meant to support armies and make them better, yet I barely see Raven making any difference. 9 out of 10 times when anti-armor bomb hit, Terran fail to rush in and capitalize on it, especially in pro battles. If they added 20% reduction of mobility, this would change a lot. Being able to slow down enemy army aside reducing their armor would be massive and make Raven useful for more than TvT.

The other 3 minutes and 51 seconds of the match were anyone's game

Alternative Title: Late Game StarCraft is crap because balance does not exist.

Seriously. Why does the Race that can produce the largest army get the most powerful spellcast units as well? I don't get how the brains function for this balance team... Like Protoss used to have the most powerful casters. And it made sense.

@@cronk3468 Oh no, another player complaining about balance because they had a bad game themselves and are now pprojecting,

@@blebgoegbleb zerg is unbalanced and also comparatively boring to watch, especially at higher levels - that is unless they lose to a protoss or terran player, because it means whoever the zerg is facing is so skilled and/or intelligent that it outweighs the poor balancing. zerg has so much going for them and so few downsides that it cheapens anything a "top zerg player" manages to achieve to anyone who isnt extremely biased

nah protoss is easier than zerg dude and I think nerfing fungal range would be the way to go cause a freeking fungal that dosent do damage dont make sense

Agreed. Given the human skill level being equal-ish (and at the top it is) the Zerg is just too strong as a race. This shouldn't even be a hot take. This game was over from the first 5 minutes, although massive credit should be given to Serral for making it look so easy.

IndigoSunset I've always wondered why the lore-wise technologically superior Protoss Carriers don't have anything similar to the Battlecruiser's jump.

@@horsemann7354 Probably because mass recall/strategic recall is too similar to it.

Over the 9 years this game has been out and changed and patched we have seen many changes to which class is OP and when. While it is true Zerg is too strong in the late game right now and it needs/is getting worked on that does not count out the player being extremely skilled by any means. To chalk it up to balance this time you would have to take away everyone who ever won anything when their class was the best victories.

@@someguy1141 true, my apologies

Maru=fake human king

Yeah but Byun had one good year and it was due to the reapers and liberators after they got patched he fell off hard. The best players dont have a good year then just fall off completely. They have consist results like even Innovation hasn't done well but its never a surprise when he wins something. He has never fell off hard in a year. Hes been consist with his performance. I like byun but after that gsl/blizzcon win he became irrelevant fast. He does has god like mirco though. Just my opinion.

@@MrChilley well innovation is deffenitivly something, I remember in hots when he used to rally his 13+barrack to the otherside of the map in tvz. he was literally swarming his zerg opponent.

What?! How?!

@@CPowles13 picked them up with medivac to dodge the colossus shots

byun is the proof that control is not everyhing, thankfully so. He was a two-trick pony with superp micro. When both his tricks got nerfed, he suddenly did not win any more... Extremly overrated player.

I’m glad other people also remember that. The Zergtoss v Protoss game was fantastic.

Yeah and Hero I would add in this list, and Maru but I would add also Scarlet!

@@ivo2 definitely not scarlet lol

@@BobJason1 It is debatable, she was the best zerg for short time, before that she was for long the best non corean, and the most consistent one. She was one of the best even when people like snute and stephano was on the sceen. I also remember her wins against MC who was really good little better than Polt. End even now she is more experienced with more build orders than Serral, just Serral is much faster in thinking and movements. Age does matter, Maru shows the same problem...

holy shit taeja was insane

Quintus yep zerg's entire creep and larvae mechanic makes them the best. The ability to make a single tech building and then switch your entire army to adapt to your opponent instantly and have creep vision on all incoming attacks is stupidly powerful. Infestors and vipers are the best casters in the game by far too

@evoljellyfish 00 There are a lot of really good Protoss players, but right now top ten players in the world are: Serral (z), Maru (t), Dark (z), TY (t), Solar (z), Stats (p), innovation (t), Cure (t), reynor (z), classic (p) so only 2 out of ten are protoss

@@grishy8203 and there are an equal number of Terran as zerg.. Lol

@@emissarygw2264 4 zerg, 4 terran, but 2 protoss. If you look at the comment I was responding to, you will see that I was saying that the minority of the best players were protoss.

@@grishy8203 I wasn't disputing what you said, just commenting on the whiny ass terrans

What can I say, just a massive StarCraft fan!

PsyOps same dude

Agreed late game Zerg is honestly pretty silly. It didn't even seem to be hard to get to that late game stage for Serral this game. There wasn't any aggression except for a few helions and failed drops that Serral had to face.

What elo are you guys, the best players who are unbiased are balancing the team, and protoss is getting nerfed and zerg is getting buffed.

With good micro he could have canceled it. Innivation is a great player, but he made two fatal mistakes in this game.

samuel smith couldnt agree more. Taeja is the goat.

This !

Lowblind is definitely a thing many have seen on his streams

Threw matches to make money on bets, to fund his gambling addiction. I think he got disqualified for life(haha) and got a couple years on prison in SK? Last I heard he coaches an esports team, but he cant play?

Got paid for losing two games of a match. He went to prison for a year and a half or so for fraud and got expelled from competitive starcraft permanently. He was one of the best players at the time if not the best

@Cgi Dude Fungal is actually fine. but Neuro against T&P capital ships plus infested terrans is a little too strong in the late game. Once zerg gets up to 10 infestors there's really no counter at this moment.

I doubt that. I have seen zergs lose because they went off creep

*Terran Dominion theme song plays*

Yeah man. Those... umm... two spellcasters gosh darn it!!

there are only 2 spellcasters for each race noob, and yet terran never in need to build their own spellcasters to beat their enemies

@@bekasiblis9540 what will emp do to the longer range of brood lords? Nuke? Well watch the video. What will anti armor missile do? Paint the zerg army in yellow? Well we will be painted green and get damaged at the same time and slowed. It doesnt matter how many spellcasters each race has. The question is, does it work?

​@@bekasiblis9540 Well i only play the campaign like any other blizzard game.... so yeah... i just like to watch other people play the game like winter starcraft and lowko..... sooo can you tell me how do you win a match like this?

what did he do?

@@gubunki He was paid to lose games on purpose, so he did and he was disqualified...

Neither will serral, it all comes down to who was the best programmed

*H€

I dont know why I keep talking about ben ben ben xD

@@cobble3231 no problem, just ben ben ben them.

well it's easy. If Serral is in the match, he's winning

Yeah. I mean don't get me wrong, Innovation is great, but he's not even in the same league as Serral.

@@DarkFenix2k5 he's in his own league

Idk we all been saying that for a while now but Scarlett is just missing something idk I'm a Scarlett fan but she just hasn't hit that form. Since the Region lock Scarlett hasnt made it to blizzcon. Hopefully next year that changes for her would be great to see the success she deserves. Reynor is definitely one to look out for next year.

They’re about as useless as Spores. They’re detectors tor the Infestors though.

@@LowkoTV No, I understand that they're detectors but even as detectors, it doesn't feel like they accomplish much when Infestors Vipers and Broods just shut em down and everything else regardless.

Infestors abilities shouldn't touch massive units at all this is complete nonsense. And fungal is getting nerfed FINALLY but still am sure it won't be enough. Battle cruisers need their campaign upgrades and raven need the healing satellite from campaign. And let's not forget : BRING BACK firebath and medics. !!!! You can clean any zerg ground with that; no f sporecrawlers killing medivac.

@@tommythunder7498 if they took away neural parasite it would cut zergs ability to counter massive units in half. The reason why festors and viper havent been nerfed is because the devs know that it's all zerg has.

@@Nova_Jan it's ok it's not their job. They should give the zerg the scourge unit and it would be perfect it's their role specifically.

Devourer would be better then scourge to replace the anti air capital ship void from viper and neural parasite nerf. Devourer would also give mutalisks double damage vs air units as well.

He can't. With massive infestor and viper Serral will just break him. Tank get blinding cloud, helion get fungal thor get neural parasite and broodlords will just clean the floor by flooding unit and surround ur unit

One can only hope.

No the unit is a really useful unit for Lair tech zerg. Bug just got fixed with infested terrans. The only other thing that needs a nerf on it is neural parasite not being able to target all units in game. Like restrict it to not able to target flying units. It's to omnipotent atm.

@@jasonlynch282 that ability is there literally to counter the flying capital ships that the other two races have and zerg doesn't

@@darkphoenix00001 To be honest I wouldn't mind neural parasite being nerfed to only target biological and psionic units but with the added benefit of still being able to move and cast while the unit is affected, and instead add scourge for anti air. That'd be fun ^^

@@darkphoenix00001 They would have to give Zerg Devourer to be it's anti-capital ship. Morphed from mutalisk with the use of greater spire. Probably have to nerf viper abduct to not target massive units to really justify adding Broodwar Devourer into SC2.

Hey Nick, my name is Lowko.