Lowko threatens MarineLord about killing the ursadon but ignores it dieing to Serral's banelings at 26:38. ZERG BIAS!

anyone find it amusing that: mutalisk was the only combat unit that can mutate into others before brood war, but now mutalisk is sort of the only combat unit that cannot? Blizzard should rename mutalisk to immutalisk

Salty Terran "Zerg can be everywhere at once, and can reinforce there entire army instantly. This is BS!" Salty Zerg "None of my units can counter Thors, and every unit they build trades more efficiently. This is BS!" Me as a Protoss "Same"

Serral being a reason to the nerfs hitting an entire race reminds me of Byun’s Reaper micro and the unit’s following nerfs

27:39 *F* for the missile turret guy

them ultras need some love.

Serral went and tried every single comp to see what works against terran mech lol, madlad

Serral should win tournaments as the other races so they get nerfed instead of zerg

Next on Blizzards nerf list: Neural Parasite

Those medivacs shepherded hundreds of marines to their death in wave after wave. Healers they may be, but ultimately they ended up as mere spectators to a massacre time and time again... brutal play by serral.

27:55 rip Mike the Missile turret guy. 2020-2020

The thing about chatting in starcraft 1 was (if I remember correctly) because of a match played by SLayerS_'BoxeR where he typed 'too narrow' to hide his hidden base and his opponent took the bait and lost the game

If missle turret cost supply, wont all zerg buildings cost supply as well? 🤔

Zerg gets more and more nerfs so pros get the edge but it makes it so us lower leagues diamond to m1 struggle harder and harder to win

I think a change they should consider is adding an upgrade for the swarmhost that makes them only count as 2 supply late game, or add a brood lord upgrade that let's them fly faster.

Thor’s counter every Zerg late game unit except for the fact that if he leaves his home his army gets wrecked by everything the Zerg has. Allowing the Zerg to take every base on the map and eventually win

I love that Lowko brings up the missle-turret-dude debate everytime

34:37 as a protoss player, I'm just going to be salty no matter what. Also, the reminder of this being a best of 3 actually caught me off guard. What a spectacular first game. Zerg needs an answer to late game terran mech, other than just relying on neurals. An idea could be that the brood lords and thors have the same attack distance. That way, the brood lords could be playing a kiting game, and the split seconds before a brood lord sends out broodlings could be used by the terran to actually hit the brood lords. Could turn into one big game of chicken between the players. Also, pros trash talking, having fun, always a bonus.

Zerg: jumping out of pants to do something viable. Terran: build Thors and and Ctrl A them

Honestly, just giving zerg ultralisks that can tank damage better could be the way to make their lategame good. Besides, its a crying shame something called "Ultra"lisk is not more threatening.

26:38 there goes the ursadon

31:47 Amazing control. I wish I could do that as Zerg

Ursadon buddy is back! Now let's see what... 26:36 ........ SERRAL YOU MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really like when Pros start trashtalking Live - i makes them look more human and not like robots playing the Game

MarineLorD is part of the team KAP (Koka Authentique Pepite), a new team from Koka, french caster and observer. The team also has Denver

It really kinda sucks that Zerg really doesn’t have any late game compared to Protoss and Terran 😕

Your casts are fantastic, Lowko. Top tier stuff, with great humor, that isn't forced or too cheesy. Best caster. Cheers mate!

When you hear "as soon as 2-2 is done it's gonna be a maxed out terran army" and then you imagine marines dressed up as ballerinas.

I would argue that game one wasn't all that competitive. Serral had 6k 6k at one point but because how that map funnels Z, he had to take his time to close it out. Theorycrafting but in a game where you're that far ahead. Just make like 10 Overseers and wait for contamination energy. Once you trade your army just fly in and cancel out his entire production cycle. Thats Checkmate. Gimmicky as hell, but with that much money i think it could force a win.

yeah im bored about nerfing zerg over and over due to serral. whats the point decreasing zerg trading efficiency again and again. maybe buff other race mobility instead ? Terran just have to turtle never attack and play sim sity and they win. Marinelord was not patient enought. This is a pain for both zerg and terran. Makes thor less strong and slow, there are options. I dunno zerg : ultra brood and swarmhost are pretty much useless and never used efficiently, and serral still win not with them but by forcing the opponent to use massive ressource to counter them. This is strategy and execution. Give terran strategies options in late. and nerf that stupid turtling thing. It's not salt its deception about the choices made, they are poor.

Lowko: 102 workers is a lot Serral, yeah? 90 is the most you should be getting. Serral: well, my late game sucks, I’ll need a lot of gas. Lowko: going for this base over here Serral, that’s a bit cheeky. Don’t you know that’s supposed to be the Terran’s? Serral: well yeah but my late game sucks so I’m going to need more minerals. Lowko: Late game Zerg trade so inefficiently but somehow Serral gets it done. I don’t believe it. Serral: *that* is why you fail.

Thors: eat hot lead! Infestors: no u

I feel every recent game of Serral, he either composes most of his army of ling bane or ravager bane. Might say something about Zerg unit value and game balance.

When im this early i realize that im watching this WITH people...

Buff ultras. For the love of god

I love your timing Lowko, you always start explaining things when the action is on the other side of the map and suddenly all the mutas are dead an no idea of what happened...

It was a great game, regardless of either victory or loss as a Zerg player it was fun to watch how godlike serral is

27:35 All these years, I never realised that there is a guy inside missile turrets

I just want to say that you make the most entertaining videos ever. I just got into Starcraft. Even tho I’m a noob, your commentary is so enjoyable. If more people were into Starcraft, you would have so many viewers, because you make amazing content

LowkoTV, What if zerg uses the worm to be able to hope to opposite sides of the map and just speeds around both flanks faster then the terran can move the thors. The main drawback of thors is their slow speed, use the worm and hope from one side to the other only taking favorable hit and runs to soft contain them and force them to come onto the creep and fight.

3:20 It's called "taunting", not "trash talk". It's actually a proper stratagem, adding the aspect of psychological warfare.

That was surprisingly close - Lenny looks at zerg winning first 3 matches, confused but still with a derpy smile.

The beauty of watching Serral play is that he's a very skilled player and TECHNICALLY the underdog. The people at Blizzard keep gimping Zerg capabilities because he's so good. All they're doing is making his wins that much more awesome.

Game 1 was insane. Amazing play from both sides and kudos to Serral for overcoming that situation

Something that's super op late game for T is to put your buildings in a ring around the planetary and make an inner ring of missile turrets

Lowko: Viper disintigrates Vader: I SAID NO DISINTIGRATION!! (forces chokes someone)

For the last few months, Zerg have been getting nerfed over and over again 😒 And still beat the living Terran out of everything >:D Edit: Wow, I never expected so many butt hurt Terrans replying like this Lads, it’s true that for the past two years Zerg dominated the game, and because of that it has been punished over and over again. Still, players like God (Serral) find ways to overcome these nerfs into something useful to improve. StarCraft as a 3D chess has always been more about the players playing the players

4:26 @LowkoTV He’s part of the Team Kap which is Koka’s Team, a French caster working at o’gaming also terran masters. MLORD is just in this team only to get some popularity and stuff u know Also he and Koka are kinda friends so he won’t stay there that long but that’s basically it

First game was super fun, but I'm not sure it was really that close at the end, although several times close in the midgame. Serral did the hard work of out-expanding and containing (barely) the terran on fewer bases whilst building a huge bank for suicide squads. He then did not need to attack the turtled MarineLorD in his entrenched established bases, except as a distraction. He "just" needed to contain each terran moveout away from static defense and defend his bases on creep for the entire game until terran runs out of resources. Right, I see your problem right there :-) But that's probably a normal game for him! Then he can suicide the fixed defense when it can't be rebuilt and run in the infestors to neural and destroy the terran army which can't be rebuilt.

Killing the ursadon should be a crime harstem gonna get a life sentence

"sadfrog"? Come on Serral, poor Pepe FeelsBadMan

I think it's perfectly normal for Zerg to lose the vast majority of late-game 200 v 200 supply battles. Since they always have a macro advantage, and they can vomit out units incredibly fast, them even getting 'even' trades would be incredibly overpowered. If two 200 supply armies fight and they both melt down to 70 supply, Zerg can get back to 200 in a fraction of the time it takes Terran/Protoss, and they could then press that advantage again and again. The the thing that needs balancing is by how much they lose, so they don't lose too hard.

I think the Infrested Terran nerf has been really good for Zerg, and I actually like that Zerg has a dynamic in the late-game where it's all about map control, where you're all about keeping your enemy contained and starving them out, that's cool and interesting, and the dynamic of "Sure, kill my maxed-out army, I'll build another one while you're still recovering" is one of those beautiful things where game design is able to successfully make gameplay and lore/theme harmonize together. But I also think the Brood Lord-Thor range dynamic should be changed to give Zerg at least *something* they can do to kill Thors reasonably well. Maybe the answer is to give them the same range, so they fight more evenly, rewarding good micro on the Terran player's side, or you give the Broods the range advantage so Zerg can force Terran out of their shell a little. Yeah, buffing Zerg will make Serral and Raynor even more busted, but every nerf they've given the race hasn't changed that, the problem isn't Zerg, the problem is that these two madlads are fucking amazing. Don't nerf Zerg, nerf the God-tier Europeans who *play* Zerg. But it'd be nice to see Terran incentivized to make the core of their army not just a Thor doomstack. okay, that's a bit of an exagguration, but I think it'd be fun to see Thors accompanied by more Viking Air Support to defend them from Brood Lords, for example. Thors are a little too good at everything in TvZ, I think, even if you need other units to be quick and responsive. I still don't want those Zerg armies to trade efficiently, but forcing Terran to build a late-game army that they can cripple in a big doomball clash might be good.

29:46 Lowko has a mental breakdown after watching this game

I did not expect that first game to be that long lol

A question for the SC experts: If I (Zerg) infest an enemy carrier, who‘s paying for the inceptors?

37:35 Ofc they do, they evolve and overcome. You know that lowko

They should give Ultras movement priority or something, i feel like they derp so much around because they get blocked by smaller units in bigger numbers and are therefore not able to reach the enymy (They need to run around other units all the time).

That serral is so over the top. It is insane how fast he create complete new strategy’s und set it all up so early. I like his games so much because he is on a whole other level.

I think they should add drop marines, and maybe rocketeer buildings (that can redeploy across the map for a mineral cost), so Terran can gain some mobility options outside of marine/medivac (and put thors in the garbage can, where they belong)

Chad hatch first Vs Virgin bunker rush.

yea sure, big robots, figthing, but O MY GOD THE CREEP SPREAD

I so wanted MarineLorD to win that 2nd game and make this 1h 20min video! Those were some hot strategies! Best game I've seen in a while!

i think baneling splash damage should cause friendly damage too. If tanks blow each other up then so should they. Losing a tank hurts more than losing a few baneling. Zerg players wouldn't be so inclined to always pump out baneling armies then. that seems to be the main go-to.

Am I the only one who saw the Ultras tanking the hell out of the Terran army multiple times?

I think trash-talking is part of the game. It`s a legitimate way to stress your opponent up and induce him to make mistakes. However, I guess what Blizzard fears is that some players may cross the line and say something personal, racist, xenophobic or whatever. So to avoid have to disqualify competitors because of that, it`s easier to forbid whatsoever.

Zergs pro gamers are the incarnation of the zerg philosophy: Adapt, evolve, survive. x) So it looks like the more they put pressure and nerfed the zergs the more they are forced to be versatile (multitask) and adaptable (change strategies on the fly) in order to compensate and get the most of what they got to win. At least that's what I gather from the gameplays and commentaries. ^^ Conclusion: Nerfs force zerg pro gamers to evolve following the red queen model! XD Thanks for the video. ;) PS: arriving a year later but still wanting to comment after seeing a good play and commentary. And help the algorithme.

Lowko takes his TvZ with salt and vinegar. Delicious :) lol Thanks for casting

I love trash talk in gaming. Me and my friend even have rules about that. Every match we played had to first start with a out of game trash talk, like in wrestling. This trash talk is also evaluated and can make the difference in case of draw to select the winner.

What a first game holy cow. War of attrition. Could have gone either way right until the end.

39:55 when he's talking about the timing attacks. After he said he could push out after 1 1 is done, there was a hiss of something mechanical happening from the game and there was an almost awkward seeming pause before he said or he could wait for 2 2. I'm not going to lie I rewatched it like 4 times trying to figure out what Marine did that made Lowko automatically think it was going to be a 2 2 timing. After I gave up trying to figure it out kept watching the next like 10 second I realized it just happened to be coincidental sound effects and Lowko was still just speculating. I feel dumb lmao

According to the lore the Terran's Missile Turrets are fully automated; there isn't a guy in them.

They should give ultras the aberration ability to step over units so they can stack on top of zerglings and banelings instead of getting stuck behind

Glad the only shot you have to win against late game Terran is to be 7000 mmr and have perfect micro. Totally balanced

No one gonna talk about how serral reached 1000 apm at minute 15:37?I know most of the clicks were unnecessary but clicking 1000 times in a minute?That's 16-17 clicks a second!

I would very much like them to turn swarm hosts into a late game unit. Right now its kind of this awkward specialized thing that doesnt really go well with other compositions and stages of the game. Its too limited in use. It gives you an ARMY, sounds like an endgame thing to me.

I wish I could play Starcraft. I suck so bad I struggle against the ai on hard it’s a 50/50 if I win or not. So I never go in a 1v1 I think it would be a waste of time. I do enjoy and I am good at direct strike tho. I think my micro is the problem I just like to build a army and A move with it. I also take to long expanding bases.

Damn those sorrounds were giving panick attacks! Geez

Zerg needs leviathan

As a terran player. Good job Serral that was very well done and he definetly deserved that first victory.

Hei, just discover your channel. I only really play first Starcraft game. But recently I just back to it. And just discover Serral. What a crazy player he is. But most match I watched. The caster cant really explained what He is doing. Until I watch u.

"KAP" Stands for "Koka Authentique Pépite" koka is a French caster on the ogaming sc2 tv

It should be pretty clear that Zerg is way worse than Terran. Protoss ist somewhat in the middle. Terran needs a big nerf, Zerg a little buff and you have a pretty balanced game.

To break Thor's: avoid them. Use vipers to abduct tanks. Then use lurkers when you want to engage the Thor ball since the lurkers aren't in danger from tanks.

Playing against mech as zerg makes me want blizz to bring defilers back, I feel like I could make more plays with that then vipers. I'd be curious to see how that plays out. Now that I think of it, maybe on the PTR they can experiment with some different units being added to multiplayer, just to see how it goes. Weve had the current roster for a while now and it feels a little stale, maybe that's just me. I bring in defilers, science vessels, and arbiters. I feel like they could really spice up the late game of most matchups

Good point about the texting during a game. Trash talk is great if you're good enough to do it....I'd like a game with comm's on and let them verbally bash each other for us to hear! That is what freedom is. Not the, everyone shut up so no one gets offended garbage. People are stupid.

Dude, Serral is absolutely crazy. I was 100% sure he would lose that late-game mech game

51:08, that one hero marine :)

I find it hilarious that serral uses the abbathur announcer tbh

Anything armored is a no against thors. As zerg you have to have zerglings otherwise you just run out of gas, as long as you have eggs to spare your zerglings are expendable (macro hatches, make them). So zerglings, but they die to firebat, so you have to wait until those are cleared to send them against thor, broodlords are also very good if you can position well enough they can kite so thors go back to focusing something else and one barrage of broodling will deal more dmg than one volley from thors even if you end up losing units. I think if you add hydra lurker to your zergling broodlord and try to not lose too many broodlords (else youre outta gas and time to morph more of them) and zerglings (else you run out of eggs and if you let them melt you lose too much dps to win the fight) then if well microed you win. Now I'm gonna bet someone is gonna cry that zerg can actually win against that thor army in equal supply after having gotten more resources all game and outmicroing their opponent smh. Btw fighting under the liberators with the ultras? That was a huuuge mistake. Huge.

What are your thoughts on granting Thors the same effect as Colossi, where they can see up cliffs but can be attacked as air?

Why doesn't the terran just get a raven or two to deal with the infestors? Sure, the vision may not catch the infestors if they're in the back of the zerg army, but they would have at least caught that surround.

that first game was brilliant. Very entertaining. Great commentary too.

Great cast! So much of what I am experiencing with thors down here in platinum. Also, down here in Platinum, ravengers are junk too. I watch most all of your casts. This is my favorite!

Lowko is playing with us and curvy arrows in the preview harder and harder.

damn even being outmatched power wise Serral still pulls out a win....dude is insane i swear

Waiting for the day a pro decides to explode a critter by left-clicking it while lowko witnesses it.

Is it possible for me to view these kinds of games myself?

liberator chasing broodlord... could mutalisk does the same by chasing battlecruiser?

In SC1 I'm pretty sure you could also type pp (pause please) and go