Starfield - FAST Way To Get ADVANCED Magshears

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SwoleBenji

SwoleBenji

10 ай бұрын

Want to get one of the most powerful automatic weapons in Starfield as soon as the game lets you free roam? This guide will show you how to get the advanced magshear, one much more powerful than what enemies drop. It's super simple and very easy to do. All you've gotta do is take advantage of some code in the game that repopulates items.
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I show off how to get an advanced magshear, the strongest weapon in Starfield, right at the start of the game. This method works 100% of the time and works for both PC and Xbox. This is something every player should get to make their playthrough super easy. I also show off how to get a few other advanced weapons in case you want to use a revolver or grenade launcher.
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@SwoleBenji
@SwoleBenji 10 ай бұрын
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@sgtzack612
@sgtzack612 10 ай бұрын
Is there a reason you don't look at the weapons before you save?
@sehvekah7368
@sehvekah7368 10 ай бұрын
@@sgtzack612 When you mouse over the weapons, the game shows the stats, but to do that it has to generate those stats. If this happens before you make the save, those stats will still be in memory when the game reloads, and you'll break the glitch.
@sgtzack612
@sgtzack612 10 ай бұрын
@@sehvekah7368 Thanks for the explanation!
@jackflash6377
@jackflash6377 10 ай бұрын
This is how tutorials should be done. Step by step.. nothing left out, nothing in doubt. Just scored my two.. all while stealth, Pulled them both off the shelf. Thank you sir.
@High_Key
@High_Key 10 ай бұрын
So I decided to stop my first play through at 90hrs (level 23) cause you convinced me I Messed up with my backgrounds and traits in your best OP start video. Explorer is pointless, and Taskmaster+Extrovert are so crucial for my play style. I already had a second save at 5hrs (level 10) using your best OP start tips with the Cyber Runner. I unknowingly skipped this part where you got the Magshear at this vendor, but happened to repeat your video and then came here asap to get the Magshear with the trashcan method. Then, I went to go level up and pick up more loot on a fauna heavy planet and the first abandoned outpost I raided immediately netted me an Anti-Personnel Advanced Magshear…literally game over lol this gun is absolutely nuts…playing on very hard feels like easy 😂 I’ll admit I did farm the gun off a legendary pirate boss but it took like 3 tries only, but was trying to get a sniper. I was already more than satisfied with the standard one but the advanced is almost game breaking lol ALSO, there’s something about having a higher tier weapon earlier on that makes the vendors and enemies also carry higher tier weapons early on. All my vendors now carry better weapons in my second save with less progress than my first 90hr save.
@mdc31337
@mdc31337 10 ай бұрын
You're a life saver! I spent 30+ minutes load/reload trying to get advanced (it didn't happen so I left the store). I just went back and tried this new method and it worked like a charm!
@michaelwalters3908
@michaelwalters3908 10 ай бұрын
Dude! GREAT video! I was struggling like so many other player not getting the Advanced versions to spawn. 1st time trying this, all 3 weapons spawned Advanced. I'm sitting pretty now. SUBSCRIBED! Great job, keep em coming!!!
@t0rnado695
@t0rnado695 10 ай бұрын
Loaded back into my save and check them, both where standard.. changed to very hard and took both w3apons off the shelf. reloaded the save and both where advanced the first try. so great stuff ,thanks so much for the video. big thumbs up......
@basedroots7857
@basedroots7857 10 ай бұрын
So you don’t have to start a new save I can use my old one ??
@Mandingo_
@Mandingo_ 10 ай бұрын
Do the ryujin quest so they will reward you with manipulation skill. U can manipulate them to go somewhere.
@pr3zidentcarter
@pr3zidentcarter 10 ай бұрын
Where is that quest?
@fateweaver9844
@fateweaver9844 10 ай бұрын
​@@pr3zidentcarterRyujin Tower in Neon
@Psion_Phoenix
@Psion_Phoenix 10 ай бұрын
@@pr3zidentcarterwhat they said. Ryujin Tower is on Neon. Normally if you pass a Ryujin kiosk in any major city and listen to it, you’ll get a quest to go there. They also give you an outfit built for stealth too.
@0NE51RUM
@0NE51RUM 10 ай бұрын
If you already have manipulation, will it give you the next level?
@juliothom2408
@juliothom2408 10 ай бұрын
No. You have to earn the upgrades normally
@RAKKAR7
@RAKKAR7 10 ай бұрын
This thing is SO op. I'm playing on very hard, and it makes it much more fun. The gun kills so quickly, but the enemies are ruthless, so it's a blast!
@lordzulubax268
@lordzulubax268 10 ай бұрын
for over an hour I have been reloading the quick save... I watch this and BOOM first time just like the video. Thank you. working on PC
@Samurai-xm2yn
@Samurai-xm2yn 10 ай бұрын
There’s also an Urban Eagle you can use this method to get an advanced version of in the Nova Shipyards in the first locked room to the left.
@aidaannn
@aidaannn 10 ай бұрын
nova galactic staryard and yes still works cheers!
@TF242
@TF242 10 ай бұрын
Great vid! To get the pieces from the glass just stack the blue buckets in front of the store owner on his counter. Once NPC leave close the doors. I managed to get both undetected that way
@llew-AZ
@llew-AZ 10 ай бұрын
I received a decentMagshear on a drop at rank 27. Frenzy Modified Refined Magshear Legendary Rifle. But like you said PHYS 16 so even with Furious: each consecutive hit deals more damage. It probably equals out. Gear up for huge ammo supply numbers. It smokes through rounds.... Great video!
@maissaaraujo7590
@maissaaraujo7590 10 ай бұрын
Keep pumpin them videos bro, best tutorials yet, love your style
@CydianGamingYT
@CydianGamingYT 10 ай бұрын
Worked a moment ago when testing this. 😁 Thanks for explaining it!
@lance134679
@lance134679 10 ай бұрын
Remember the good old days in Skyrim where you could hit the vendor, reload your save and it would reset their inventory? This reminded me a bit of that.
@d.w.6584
@d.w.6584 10 ай бұрын
That "walk the dinosaurs" line had me rolling 😂😆😂 👍. Haven't heard that song in a while. Thanks for the laughs and tips.
@williamh7
@williamh7 10 ай бұрын
Double chameleon = hidden when crouched, even in plain view. I used this method to easily steal anything I want.
@sian1of2
@sian1of2 10 ай бұрын
I managed to take all 4 guns in the video with just crouching and hidden. There will be moments of being hidden, but very short. I also added a mod to the guns using the weapons bench and they became mine. No more stolen.
@mugiwarakotp
@mugiwarakotp 10 ай бұрын
For future reference anything stolen that you want to "clean" just sell it to the trade authority and buyback at the same price and they are cleaned.
@CrushaSOSA
@CrushaSOSA 10 ай бұрын
@@mugiwarakotp you can also just drop them and pick them back up and that'll also remove the stolen tag. Im not sure if that's a glitch im having or not tho. Wont hurt to try.
@mugiwarakotp
@mugiwarakotp 10 ай бұрын
@@CrushaSOSA Oh, wow. Gonna have to try that. Thanks for the tip.
@CrushaSOSA
@CrushaSOSA 10 ай бұрын
@@mugiwarakotp you're welcome!
@BMXguy1989
@BMXguy1989 10 ай бұрын
nice. tried this earlier since i couldn't find them in shops either. had a calibrated one. went from around 34 dmg to almost 60. have ballistic and rifle cards maxed. and all weapon mods on. update i had a calibrated Magshear aswell. around 211 dmg. found an advanced one finally. almost 400 dmg. huge difference lol
@Dysert91
@Dysert91 10 ай бұрын
This works! Tried it and it worked the first time. Thank you!
@omgtrey
@omgtrey 10 ай бұрын
Needed this with the recent updates. Appreciate ya!
@TheNJCotton
@TheNJCotton 10 ай бұрын
On the pistol and bridger, if you wait and chill behind the cases, you can steal them. For the bridger, after most of the people leave, close the door, and you will jump between hidden and detected. If you can grab it while your hidden it a clean steal.
@SerCaviaPorcellus
@SerCaviaPorcellus 10 ай бұрын
Worked like a charm thanks!
@net343
@net343 10 ай бұрын
Once you modify them they become yours and no longer tagged as stolen
@FSDraconis
@FSDraconis 10 ай бұрын
I just recently started my ng+ 6. Went in on very hard. Walked up to the shop keeper and monologued my way to the vendor option. Everything, was advanced if it was white. I opted to just buy a few things. I had the funds for a few guns. Good times!
@marylinbradford8603
@marylinbradford8603 10 ай бұрын
Very nice I must've loaded 35 times nothing on a new character nothing, but this way wow instantly. Most appreciated.
@WeaponizedKarma
@WeaponizedKarma 10 ай бұрын
Finally got this to work on Xbox series X. Taking them off the shelf before reloading seemed to do it. Excellent info.
@colinwood8812
@colinwood8812 10 ай бұрын
Can you try and explain what you did to make it work? I'm not getting anywhere and would love a 2nd explanation. I'm also on a series x.
@RarelyReplies
@RarelyReplies 10 ай бұрын
This may be the first time something worked EXACTLY as I saw it on The KZfaqs
@00ddub
@00ddub 10 ай бұрын
Works like a charm, thank you!
@user-yo6yf5hc7s
@user-yo6yf5hc7s 10 ай бұрын
Instantly subscribed! Thank you for being awesome
@willrobinson4859
@willrobinson4859 9 ай бұрын
Great tips. Doing this after completing the Ryugen questline and getting the stealth suit is much easier!
@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566
@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566 10 ай бұрын
Well luckily I just grabbed my mags yesterday. I reloaded about a dozen times and finally gave up on getting advanced. Hopefully the save point is still there so I can use this method.
@Cronoo
@Cronoo 10 ай бұрын
Yoo! Just got the magshear last night but I'm going back for the bridger and razorback That's so sick. Good shit dude.
@Soljie1969
@Soljie1969 8 ай бұрын
So i did this as I start my first NG+ play through and I got an Advance Magshear with 41 PHY on my first try . Fully mod it and it's a beast . Thanks
@gabecordova7097
@gabecordova7097 10 ай бұрын
There's also an Advanced Bridger in Centaurian Arsenal you can do the same thing with behind glass
@RAKKAR7
@RAKKAR7 10 ай бұрын
Worked first time like a charm! Thanks! Instant, like, sub and noti!
@supermick83
@supermick83 10 ай бұрын
Great video thanks man. Subscribed👍
@rickyrives376
@rickyrives376 10 ай бұрын
This vid is AWESOME ! First try !! Thanks so much.
@kennethmoody2499
@kennethmoody2499 10 ай бұрын
Put the trash can in front of the shopkeeper and wait for the indicator to say hidden, worked for me
@johnsonjoelh
@johnsonjoelh 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the updated info
@Mel-8206
@Mel-8206 10 ай бұрын
love your videos!!! I got the advance shotgun took me an hr waiting around and standing next to it as soon npc clear the store i had seconds to steal it i hid and crab and left and saved lmfao.. just gotta be patience and wait for right opportunity...
@MugenxKai
@MugenxKai 10 ай бұрын
You think this method could work on Rerolling Armor Quality? Like the Anti Xeno armor from the UC quest line drops at different qualities too.
@lexdeobesean
@lexdeobesean 10 ай бұрын
I was about to subscribe until I heard that thing at the end... now I'm definitely subscribing 🤣 Btw if you want to keep your channel growing with the starfield momentum, you might want to drop an occasional video about mods (maybe you already do). I've seen channels grow massive on mods alone.
@DraconisLupus
@DraconisLupus 10 ай бұрын
Well tried this version, hadn't seen this video till just now, and first try for me too. Thanks.
@DraconisLupus
@DraconisLupus 10 ай бұрын
I will also add, do not (I repeat DO NOT), go anywhere after they spawn and don't bother saving. If you go to say The Pit they will revert back to basic Magshears after leaving. I did that to try to wait till night when there would be less eyes to see me s.t.e.a.l. them. And they changed when I came out. And were basic in my save. Had to go back to the same before first looking and do it again. So be sure to take them when the prop.
@Flikk.
@Flikk. 10 ай бұрын
Lvl 30 and this is still my go to when I need to clear out harder fight and can't be bothered to put effort into the fight.
@kiskebear
@kiskebear 10 ай бұрын
holy shit i just tried this with an urban eagle in nova shipyards and it worked first go. thank you, because i got it naturally the first time and was so happy, then forgot to quick save after, but had a hard save before i went in, so i was able to reclaim it with this method
@Norinia
@Norinia 10 ай бұрын
You can just Freeroam however you want after going to constellation. You only need to join to go a free roaming. You don’t even need to go to Cydonia with her and that mission, you can just drag her all over the place and she acts just like a normal companion (except you can’t dismiss her until Cydonia is done.)
@MozartLucasreis
@MozartLucasreis 10 ай бұрын
work like a charm! thanks
@hypnotech83
@hypnotech83 10 ай бұрын
Dude this was amazing!
@parkershipley9569
@parkershipley9569 10 ай бұрын
Did my guy just say get on the floor and walk the dinosaur... i love this man hahaha
@ansa3252
@ansa3252 10 ай бұрын
awesome, got 2 adv magshears in 5 minutes for me and my waifu. you are the legend dude
@swordspace2000
@swordspace2000 10 ай бұрын
This only works on weapons that are laying on counters or the glass displays. if they happen to be in a weapons case, they dont seem to respawn with the upgrade. I was able to get an old earth rifle that does 100 in the uc surplus under new atlantis.
@vagabondht5791
@vagabondht5791 10 ай бұрын
People have looked in to the code there is ment to be Superior weapons like armour but the code suffix was wrong so they are also called Advanced. armour goes (normal>Calibrated>Refined>Advanced>Superior), Weapons are (Normal,Calibrated>refined>Advanced
@sideshowrob5453
@sideshowrob5453 9 ай бұрын
I must've gotten lucky then. I didn't even know the gun existed, and I walked into "Best Defence" and saw the 2 Magshears on the shelf and nicked them. Both were advanced, and I'm playing on Normal. 😁 Although, the PHYS = 23 for mine. 🤔 I saw a video that said there was a naming error on some higher grade weapons (whatever is higher than Advanced. Superior?), so maybe you actually got Superior, and that's why your stats were higher???? 🤷🏻‍♂️ Nice clear guide. 👍🏻 Bit harsh with the shoelaces, though! 😳
@bazanon1880
@bazanon1880 10 ай бұрын
Wow thanks awesome game so far just starting of watching your tips 🍻👀
@louisp7765
@louisp7765 10 ай бұрын
I got a legendary magshear and it’s definitely the best gun I’ve used so far
@sdranch2800
@sdranch2800 5 ай бұрын
Need to out this part in your 2 hr best start video.
@nubbs79
@nubbs79 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info i got a good one on the second load at 29 damage
@QiqiL0ver
@QiqiL0ver 9 ай бұрын
This works great! If you have a chameleon spacesuit and helmet attached, you can grab them without getting a bounty.
@donaldhorne5097
@donaldhorne5097 10 ай бұрын
Wish this was found out sooner 😫 I couldn't get the OP Magesheer so just took the basic but I will get the other weapons 😂
@Timb0515
@Timb0515 10 ай бұрын
Is it possible for the weapons to reload?
@jdholbrook33
@jdholbrook33 10 ай бұрын
@@Timb0515 Unless there is some trick. Stole them when I was lvl 4 and went back at lvl 17. Not there.
@matthewcoleman8267
@matthewcoleman8267 10 ай бұрын
Same here!
@donaldhorne5097
@donaldhorne5097 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the weapons never respawn and you gotta save just before taking them and load it up and they should be high tier weapons after that.
@joeivo911
@joeivo911 10 ай бұрын
I hop it pays the bills! Your doing god’s work!
@jasonhester1294
@jasonhester1294 10 ай бұрын
Nice helpful vid. Subbed.
@-Lucky-Six-
@-Lucky-Six- 10 ай бұрын
just thought i would say, popped over to try this out worked like a charm....lvl 36 :)
@jeddis92
@jeddis92 10 ай бұрын
Did this today. No need to change difficulty, I was able to get them on Very Easy, first reload. Also, don't forget to go to Cydonia to launder the weapons.
@BMXguy1989
@BMXguy1989 10 ай бұрын
once you mod them the stolen tag drops
@jeddis92
@jeddis92 10 ай бұрын
Easier to just sell it to a vender and buy it right back, IMO.
@BMXguy1989
@BMXguy1989 10 ай бұрын
@@jeddis92 modding them works aswell. chances are you gonna mod it if you keeping it
@fortniteflicks7546
@fortniteflicks7546 10 ай бұрын
Is there any way to spawn them once again after I have taken regular ones and saved the game?
@BMXguy1989
@BMXguy1989 10 ай бұрын
@@fortniteflicks7546 yup reload your save. puts new ones up. thats how you get an Advanced one
@Neoxesis
@Neoxesis 9 ай бұрын
I'd used this method to get the rifles and it'd worked well back then. But afterwards during the course of the game I ended up loosing both of them somewhere (or selling by mistake). When I came back to this shop for the new rifles the shelves were empty. Quicksaves or waiting on a bench does not help. The shelves are always empty. Any cure for this?
@xxdracoxx86
@xxdracoxx86 10 ай бұрын
Will i have to go in ng plus for advanced got the regular versions or can i wait x amount of time like in well with microguns
@joshc214
@joshc214 10 ай бұрын
Just tried this & got 30 dmg for the advance magshear, 307 for the Advanced Bridger, 182 for Razorback. Chameleon helps too.
@epicboss-mg6jc
@epicboss-mg6jc 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the tip
@jsullivan649
@jsullivan649 10 ай бұрын
also, when you sell stolen items at trade centres and buy them back, they're no longer stolen items for those that dont know.
@IonNight
@IonNight 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for shearing
@user-fv1oz2ns8r
@user-fv1oz2ns8r 9 ай бұрын
So if say if u did this but grabbed them not advance will they respawn later in the game back on the shelf
@TheRagingHardon
@TheRagingHardon 10 ай бұрын
Nice guide.
@Sackos64
@Sackos64 10 ай бұрын
Wait a min, so does this trick work for armor? Like the mk 1 in the lodge or the mantis armor? I wonder if that will push some stats up on armor with this trick
@waynethompson1115
@waynethompson1115 10 ай бұрын
Havent had any issues finding good guns. One of my favorites is the prime. Crazy good pistol i use for sniping. Im lvl 37. Been hunting up to lvl 90s for awhile now.
@magnumjgjg
@magnumjgjg 8 ай бұрын
Are there any other spawns in the game? I followed your tutorial on how to get the best start, and that was before I knew that they didn't always spawn in as advanced, and I got two normal ones. I've now already got the mantis armor almost perfectly rolled and I don't want to do that again
@ahmedalami4767
@ahmedalami4767 10 ай бұрын
Can someone please help, so I’m around level 12 rn with decent progress into the game. When I first started I picked both magshears up not realizing I was supposed to get the advanced version. Is there anyway I can have another shot at getting the advanced version at this point or would I need to start from the beginning?
@MrVdsltk2
@MrVdsltk2 10 ай бұрын
How can i get these to reload because I took the regular ones not knowing about the very hard setting so when i go back they're not on the shelf anymore? I went to venus and slept for 2400 hours and nothing
@brianwhite2075
@brianwhite2075 10 ай бұрын
This worked much better than reloading thirty times. Also. Not sure if anyone else got this. I got Magshear to drop with 28 damage
@jgumser
@jgumser 10 ай бұрын
Man.. i just finished up with the OP Start video and disnt catch anything about the advanced magshear in the beginning and got the basic. Might as well restart. Gotta have this thing!
@stevecimini5733
@stevecimini5733 10 ай бұрын
I got them to spit out 128’s!!👍-the first time when I went in there I couldn’t get it to work no matter what I did so I fast travel back to the ship and then came back into the store and it worked!!
@OscarOliu
@OscarOliu 10 ай бұрын
I watched this without audio and the dragging of the gun with the trash can was inexplicably funny
@irishrose89775
@irishrose89775 10 ай бұрын
Another great how to!
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326 10 ай бұрын
no intro, 8 minute video, right down to the juice info no lengthy talking shit, more nice to know info on the side, yeah this is a sub,
@SwoleBenji
@SwoleBenji 10 ай бұрын
Based longcat avatar user.
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326 10 ай бұрын
@@SwoleBenji i cropped that one out years ago from a Desktop Background, kept it ever since.
@MarkMT
@MarkMT 9 ай бұрын
Are there any skills (in the video) that affect the shown damage output? ...or could it be different skill-books picked up (I have no points in any of the weapon skills, but have picked up a few skill books)? I've tried it and I get: Adv. Magshear dmg= 24 (in video 25) Adv. Razorback dmg= 147 (in video 154) Adv. Bridger dmg= 322 (in video 307) I did the whole thing on Normal difficulty and got the Advanced versions in first try, so it seems to work very easily. (although I haven't really gotten round to using the weapons as the ones I have works fine and I don't really want anything OP after all)
@cas48spyder
@cas48spyder 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the Mario Bros quote, very cool trick.
@Swiftfail
@Swiftfail 10 ай бұрын
do this method work with microgun trader in the well on atlantis? he has also old earth hunting rifle on shelf
@CorporalChhin
@CorporalChhin 10 ай бұрын
I never knew pressing and holding E would let you carry...😢 thx for the enlightening
@Kurggen
@Kurggen 3 ай бұрын
Going try this again
@DwayneDibbley
@DwayneDibbley 10 ай бұрын
FYI, those miniguns we stole in the well store are back in their weapon cases :)
@mitmon_8538
@mitmon_8538 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, the Magshears are hella broken. I'm usually a sneaky stealthy sniper player, but you can easily run and gun with the Magshear. For sniping though, that advanced Razorback is almost all you need. Get the upgrades for it by doing all that weapon research and it gets crazy powerful.
@Norinia
@Norinia 10 ай бұрын
Best imo is the unique Magshears in the end of the SysDef/CrimsonFleet questline 😉
@BRUTUSz
@BRUTUSz 6 ай бұрын
@@Norinia Revenant at the kryx ship is nuts when mods it. Ammo goes fast but.
@scottroberts2890
@scottroberts2890 5 ай бұрын
Worked for me. I originally watched your first video and they would never spawn. Did this and got two on the next reload. Do you have one for a great ship other then the Manits quest line you covered? I don't know but originally when I played I got the one free from the Rangers and modified it, but just curious if there is a "Best" ship with good storage etc etc. I jut started playing again because my graphics card was to poo poo to use and the game was horrible to play, but Im starting again with new PC and found your guides. Love me. Who else wishes this game had servers with real people to play with instead of just you and your companions?
@timfederwitz
@timfederwitz 10 ай бұрын
LOL, wish I you had released this when I went and did the load roll game. I had to roll it 30+ times, but eventually got them. New information in here though, that the pistol and grenade launcher can be done!! So, heading back for those I guess! LOL
@JoeyBearYT
@JoeyBearYT 7 ай бұрын
Used the bucket method and brought both guns out to be picked up in an ally. The damaged was 30 though so better then OP
@bakerboi1984
@bakerboi1984 10 ай бұрын
Just did this on Xbox, worked 1st time, thanks mam
@ScottYarmel
@ScottYarmel 10 ай бұрын
I mean this really is an awesome trick, but can we all just take a moment to recognize that this dude remembers "Walk the Dinosaur" fricken awesome
@dirkdiggler9056
@dirkdiggler9056 10 ай бұрын
Walk the dinosaur reference was lit XD
@karrb0n
@karrb0n 10 ай бұрын
Dang, wish i had seen this video before watching your start guide that went over how to get the mag shear... Didn't know there was an advanced version..... Now i can't get them to respawn in hope town
@gengis_gun
@gengis_gun 10 ай бұрын
YOU'RE THE GOAT 🔥🔥🔥
@stevenlewis1612
@stevenlewis1612 10 ай бұрын
OK i was ableto get the weapons after a few tries, however I had a mission in Akila City and as soon as I landed I was arrested and the weapons were taken away...what did I do wrong ???
@Tha_Spicy_Sage
@Tha_Spicy_Sage 10 ай бұрын
Is the gun from the crimson fleet quest the same as this?
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