Could you please do the battle in Star Trek DS9's Sacrifice of Angels? It was called Operation Return, and the wormhole battle that ensued marked the turning point of the war, since thousands of dominion ships were spirited out of existence by the Bajoran gods.

Maybe the ground support batteries were caught totally flat-footed and uncrewed or power down.

They just got sent into the future, there is a great missionseries in STO where they come out of the WH and take over DS9 and you have to travel to the founders to get them to surrender the station :)

I have to agree with that. And later when this was adressed the writes tried to solve this with a cheap explanation that the ships built by the Asuras were not as effective and were poorly and rapidly built after the Horizon destroyed their shipyards and completed ships.

I was thinking "Jesus those hives are huge~!" And then I saw the note "Not To Scale" lol.

Craseder that's y the daedalus is one of my favorites starships it seems the most earthy

Part of what made Stargate's space battles so impressive compared to other shows is that it was six years before the Tau'ri actually fought a space battle themselves. Every engagement dripped with payoff. The battle over the Arctic, while pretty good by most show's standards, is absolutely amazing in Stargate because we saw every step of the journey to where the Tau'ri are able to defend their own soil against invaders, even if they couldn't have won on their own.

I think the plot is actually streched thin in how many technologies they are able to recreate without having the necessary scientific knowledge and infrastructure and how it is depicted as being superior to the original. Seems too much of a stretch. Even when they had weapons and gear that was far behind their enemies, that equipement still seemed to outpeform the enemy because plot.

for a very, very long time in the franchise, a lot of the tech was extremely bad even compared to the goa'uld, and often the battles were only won by sheer, dumb luck. The technology wasn't really "better" until much longer after it was discovered, and even then there were still major flaws and issues. The simulation chair, for example. It wasn't until the asgard literally gave away everything that the tau'ri became something major. However, it is something worth understanding that the goa'uld had their own problems as well. For all intents and purposes, they ran a fleet off what might as well be mountains of ducktape and slaves; they never innovated on anything. It was all just stolen, and what little that wasnt, was terrible. Soldiers wore plate armor long into the tauri-goa'uld conflict, and they never seemed to get the picture that armor piercing bullets can counter their armor in a way that their typical enemies - crossbow and sword wielding primitives/slaves - cannot. The replicators were wiped out through only dumb luck as well, considering how it took the lucky discovery of a super weapon that fired at the same time all across the galaxy at once to stop them. The Ori on the other hand, were the first truly formidable enemy, and they obliterated everything in their way with no opposition until the very final, ending episode of the show.

RedMatter Luckily for Tau'ri, Milky Way is a big galaxy and Ori motherships have low chances of finding Earth randomly.

Indeed

DrakeMarvell I see what you did here.

Your love of stargate makes me happy.

I just recently started watching Star Gate on Hulu. Almost through Atlantis and am on season 4 of SG-1. Personally have been greatly enjoying the shows. Every since I was a kid Star Wars was my main thing. Through Disney's discontinuing of the stories I have been fallowing for years, made me take a step back from Star Wars; helping me branch out to a wider verity of sci-fi media.

Stargate became more of a spiritual successor to Star Trek for tech, ideology and themes than anything from the abramverse. The writing did get a little stale or forced near the end but I still liked it. And I'm sure there is a very large following in the scifi community. Just not in the casual joe schmo audience that's easily impressed by the flashy drek of Michael Bay, Zach Snyder, and JJ Abrams. You should also check out Babylon 5 if you haven't yet.

it sucks that there aren't any good Stargate games either. mostly just mods for other games. I would love a Stargate RTS.

I remember watching stargate on tv as a kid in the late 90s going into highschool. Love the lore, tech and star ships. Combining current world tech with alien tech was a good story.

its really sad, because the guy who played shepherd in SGA offered to buy the franchise, but MGM said no because the original director of the movies was pulling favors, and keeping tabs on it to make sure he could get his second chance with a stargate reboot (which was thrown out the window when independence day 2 flopped hardcore)

If the original plan had worked they wouldn't have had time for that. Also trying it would be the best way to get the Wraith betray you in the midle of the battle.

Abhishek Rajendran My biggest issue is that Rodney turned one of greatest potential allies into "just another replicators we'll kill of as if they're nonsentients". Everything else that followed was irrevalent.

Abhishek Rajendran My biggest issue is aurora class warships supposedly would go out alone deep into wraith territory and were said to be nearly invincible. The wraith could take them down but it took a much larger group of wraith hive ships. So, realistically, 31 auroras vs 7 hive ships should be over in minutes with no wraith left an no damage to the auroras. The asurans were also supposed to have nearly defeated the wraith after the lanteans left, so their auroras cant be that inferior compared to the lantean versions. The last issue i have is that the apollo and daedalus are overpowered. The have asgard tech powered by inferior reactors (not nearly the power generation of a zpm). So if an asgard tech apollo with relatively weak power generation is better than fully powered auroras would indicate that asgard tech is superior to ancient tech. We know this not to be true due to thors comment about them barely being able to scratchnthe surface of the ancient legacy device.

Im surprised they were able to beam anybody in this battle. Remember that Wraith have counter measures preventing beaming? Propably the same thing works for Asurans.

False Prophet and yet, Asgard MILITARY tech is the most powerfull in the series and... the only unique one. Wraith, Goa'uld, Ori, us and everyone else simply use Ancients tech in our own watered down cheap copies. Asgard are the only ones who have unique tech designed by them.

Cailus Griffin The Asurans kept to a single planet... The Ancients had the galaxy...

They also under-estimated the wraith threat. They didn't see them as a problem until it was too late. They won nearly all the engagements with the wraith but downtime and maintenance took it's toll on crew/ships and that was the lanteans eventual downfall, plus they had to protect MANY systems from the wraith and technology from them. Most of the time whenever a ZPM powered ship or interstellar hyperdrive was in a position to be captured it was self-destructed to prevent capture. Even then the wraith did manage to get some ZPMs and it lead the wraith to grow/breed more hive ships and soldiers which overwhelmed the lanteans.

Cailus Griffin 200 ships ? Take thousands. Wraith made so many ships and well.. Wraiths that after they "destroyed" Atlantis they all starved to death until the low enough number let them hibernate.

I don't think it was one big battle. It was just endless small battles. The Wraith took out a few ships here and there continuously and faster than the Ancients could replenish.

Wraiths were growing their ships "for free" - they just needed planets with right resources. Crews could be grown too, and with ZPM (or other powerful energy sources) it could be tens of thousands soldiers created within days. Ofc they would need people to feed on and by destroying planets which couldn't be defended Ancients could win... but they were too naive.

I also think the show is the perfect mix of being a show about humanity exploring the galaxy/universe and discovering amazing things out there, and also having the military/war aspect to it.

I think they advanced to starships unrealistically fast. There's no way they could have funded and built Prometheus as fast as they did and keep it secret.

What's funny that they didn't need to put the Daedalus or other earth ships in danger, a puddle jumper can take a wraith fleet , it take 8 drones to destroy a hive ship and 3 to take out a cruiser , so just have a tactical nuke under the jumper and go cloak fly into the hive ship bay drop nuke and leave and shoot 9 drones for the 3 cruisers that accompany it and let nuke go off and escape to a stargate etc rinse and repeat lol

That ending was disappointingly short.

Yeah I recognised it instantly too. so why does it say the music is "Battlezone 2 by Carey Chico"? I i'm pretty sure the main composer for the supcom games was Jeremy Soule, so I don't recognise that.

yeah i would always recognize this sound, awesome

right?

They also didn't plan to blow up the planet. The original plan was that the replicators would form into a giant mass and wouldn't be able to reorganize and would just reset into a giant puddle. (like when mcckay discovered the replicatior bench on atlantis)

Well if I remember correctly, they were intending to get some ZPMs, but Rodney decided to blow up the planet instead because it was necessary. And there was no time to get the ZPMs.

Also, budget. More ZPM/technology/Tau'ri ships means more CGI meaning more money spent on graphics.

The original plan was to overload the ZPMs to make sure the replicators are destroyed and while I don't want to point fingers, the black out that prevented Rodney from doing so may have very well been the result of Tod stealing ZPMs.

They tried with Universe and made the mistake of trying to turn it into new Battlestar Galactica. I hear another one is in the works.

Hey, by the end it was getting pretty damn good. They just didn't give it time to settle into self. It had so much room to grow as a story, so much to explore, BSG or not it could've been fucking amazing if they had just let it play out a bit more... I mean, that episode where they explored the colony the crew made? I was tearing up rather badly at times during those bits.

there's a new Stargate mini-show that's going to be online only, but it's supposed to be directed by this lady who supposedly has zero experience in the field. I dont have much hope for it being anything beyond subpar, particularly with the plot direction they're taking.

It is my opinion that Vancouver the seat of acme shark (MGMs stargate subsidiary) is too caught up in the PC far left crap to make any new stargate little more than propaganda, give it time the SGC Atlantis and the rest of the universe isn't going anywhere

its unfortunate that everything needs to be subverted with PC bullshit these days.

The hyperdrives of the Aurora class are a bit slow for practical intergalactic travel. You'd need to refit the ship with an Asgard-designed drive bigger than what the BC-304 to get it to the Milky Way in time. And it's not like the ships would last anyway. Stargate Command has a very bad track record with alien ships.

I'm pretty sure the Ori had already been defeated before the battle of Asuras happened.

Seeing as the replicators don't need life support or the ancient gene to use their stuff, they probably won't have the chair to control. Plus with the replicator cells all breaking through the hull, the ships would have suffered severe damage to move.

True the Aurora battle cruisers are good ships to there own right but would be heavenly damaged by a hive ship and would be more effective to use a puddle jumper it has 12 drones and cloak and it takes 8 be drones to destroy a hive and 3 for a cruiser , put a tactical nuke under the thing go in the hive cloak drop nuke , leave and shoot 9 drones to destroy cruisers and let the nuke go off and escape to a stargate etc rinse and repeat lol

@@VestedUTuber That plot development to make it more challenging to stargate command and tv ratings lol

Exactly the point but plot development 🤦, they could of beamed a team of people on all 30 or so aurora battle cruiser and earth would be very powerful and maybe beam a few dozen guys on the surface to steal some zpm cores and more puddle jumpers to take with us if they did that earth would have the firepower to expand and colonize planets and can defend each one with a Aurora ship or a few jumpers each lol

They would have been too busy with the myriad hull fractures and severed power couplings to have gotten any of the ships working before the planet explodes. Remember that the Replicators didn't teleport to the surface. They were _ripped through their ships_ by the attraction force.

It was whoever was closest to the troops. And the at not earth ships so it didnt really matter who grabbed the team, just as long the team was grabbed

Honestly, the better upgrade would be Carter's modification to the Beam. The Matter Converter would be their holy grail. The ability to take any old space debris you come across and turn it into brand spanking new parts for your ships... Or food, water, oxygen. Anything they could ever need at their fingertips. Just need matter to feed in and the schematics of what you want out.

Broken Drum they were taken by surprise and engaged at point blank range and they only expected 2 ships, not a whole armada. Just see how the Apollo jumped in only a few meters from an Aurora and opened fire at the moment, shreding it with the railguns.

No drones. Also the Wraith had atleast 10000 years of development. The Asurans just sat on their asses pretending to be Lantians and finding a way for Replicator ascension.

The main explanation seems to be that Asuran Auroras are not as powerful as Ancient's

The Asuran ships were mass produced in a very short amount of time. They built a fleet of 40 ships in just a few months. And that was after earth nuked their planet and destroyed their shipyard in addition to half a dozen ships that were already under construction. So the ships were probably not as powerful as the ones the Ancients built.

and remembeer when anubis attacked eart, and the outpost fired all it's drones..Yeah, Asuras had multiple Atlantis cities. The only realistic outcome of this battle, would have been the total annihilation of the earth/traveller/wraith fleet within a minute.

Exactly the point but plot development 🤦, they could of beamed a team of people on all 30 or so aurora battle cruiser and earth would be very powerful and maybe beam a few dozen guys on the surface to steal some zpm cores and more puddle jumpers to take with us if they did that earth would have the firepower to expand and colonize planets and can defend each one with a Aurora ship or a few jumpers each lol

Probably due to the fact that each and every Asuran ship had hundreds of little hull breaches throughout the spaceframe and lost all atmosphere.

Exactly the point but plot development 🤦, they could of beamed a team of people on all 30 or so aurora battle cruiser and earth would be very powerful and maybe beam a few dozen guys on the surface to steal some zpm cores and more puddle jumpers to take with us if they did that earth would have the firepower to expand and colonize planets and can defend each one with a Aurora ship or a few jumpers each lol

panupong plienkeaw I always felt like that the other two had such a central focus on beating the common enemy that the thought of stealing ZPMs didn't even cross their mind. Then again, that sounds like a convenient excuse.

I was thinking that would be a good idea to at least attempt. But you're kinda on the replicator home world surrounded by millions(?) of them. Maybe if they SG-1 anti-replicator guns they could have.

Too bad by this time even the pegasus replicators were immune to it.

actually wboth wraith and tauri tried but only the wraith succeded

If I remembered the original plan McKay was supposed to overload the ZPM's however Todd knew better so he sent darts to steal the ZPM's

True, they could of beamed a team of people on all 30 or so aurora battle cruiser and earth would be very powerful and maybe beam a few dozen guys on the surface to steal some zpm cores and more puddle jumpers to take with us if they did that earth would have the firepower to expand and colonize planets and can defend each one with a Aurora ship or a few jumpers each lol

It could be that they were trying to focus most of their fire on the wraith hives because they're big and scary ships after all; and also, the whole attack was completely be surprise, so the replicators might not have been that prepared.

It tv and plot development can't kill off main characters lol, and I Know what you mean too , the puddle jumper could take out a hive fleet , it has 12 drones to use it takes 8 drones to destroy a hive ship and 3 for a cruiser but if you have a tactical nuke under the jumper and go cloak and drop the nuke in hive bay hanger and leave and shoot 9 drones for the 3 cruisers that are with a hive ship and let nuke go off and escape rinse and repeat the Atlantis could take out the wraith lol

Also they had long range sensors so any ships exiting hyperspace would not been any surprise at all.

Plot development as always , even a wing of puddle jumpers could of damage or destroyed their battle cruisers lol

Macragge's Honour! ;-) But, yes, the Phalanx is an amazing vessel.

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Primarch Roboute Guilliman It really is

Or how about the Raptorus Rex?

SPIRIT CRUISE the covenant ships are really easy to capture, if you read First Strike and Ghost of Onyx you will see how

Exactly the point but plot development 🤦, they could of beamed a team of people on all 30 or so aurora battle cruiser and earth would be very powerful and maybe beam a few dozen guys on the surface to steal some zpm cores and more puddle jumpers to take with us if they did that earth would have the firepower to expand and colonize planets and can defend each one with a Aurora ship or a few jumpers each lol

Exactly the point but plot development 🤦, they could of beamed a team of people on all 30 or so aurora battle cruiser and earth would be very powerful and maybe beam a few dozen guys on the surface to steal some zpm cores and more puddle jumpers to take with us if they did that earth would have the firepower to expand and colonize planets and can defend each one with a Aurora ship or a few jumpers each lol

Exactly the point but plot development 🤦, they could of beamed a team of people on all 30 or so aurora battle cruiser and earth would be very powerful and maybe beam a few dozen guys on the surface to steal some zpm cores and more puddle jumpers to take with us if they did that earth would have the firepower to expand and colonize planets and can defend each one with a Aurora ship or a few jumpers each lol

Ikr, sometime it seems I'm the only who loves this show. Let alone actually knows it exists.

Same...