Stark VARG OFFICIAL Review | 2022 Best Electric Motocross Bike Test

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Full review of the new Stark VARG Electric Motocross Bike. The VARG is being considered the best electric dirt bike of 2022, so we couldn't miss the opportunity to fly to Barcelona and do an official test ride on the bike.
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Stark Future claims that their electric motocross bike is the fastest on the market. After riding it, I have no reason to doubt that claim. While my test bike was still just the Standard 60hp version, it felt like it could out-accelerate any internal combustion bike I've ever ridden. Then, add another 20 horsepower and you get the Alpha model.
To supply the energy to the powerful 50-100kW powerplant, the VARG features a massive 6kWh battery. The case itself is an air-cooled magnesium unit, which uses a proprietary honeycomb structure for increased strength and rigidity. This structure also allows Stark to connect every individual power cell directly to the case, which improves cooling and contributes further to an optimized center of gravity.
Stark has made some very bold claims about the range of the VARG. They claim that their 6kWh battery, with its air-cooled honeycomb magnesium case, can provide similar range to a full tank of gas on a 450cc motocross bike. This would translate to, what Stark declares, a 35-minute moto at “Grand Prix” intensity or up to 6 hours of easy trail riding. We were unable to do a proper range test on the pre-production Stark VARG.
The VARG features a VCU (Vehicle Control Unit) which is essentially a military-grade, shock resistant smartphone. The VCU allows riders to access an app that has over 100 personalized ride modes, each with its own input for power curve, engine braking, traction control, and a virtual flywheel.
The bike utilizes a KYB fork and shock for its suspension with adjustability for high and low speed compression and rebound.
The Stark VARG features a base MSRP of $12,900 for the 60HP version and $13,900 for the 80HP Alpha version. Riders can select a 19” rear wheel if they’re going the motocross route or an 18” if the bike will see more single-track than airtime.
Stark VARG Specs
Power: 80 hp Alpha or 60 hp Standard
Weight: 243 lbs/ 110kg
Range: Up to 6 hours
Charging time: 1-2 hours
Battery capacity: 6kWh
Suspension: KYB 310mm travel front & rear
Brakes: Brembo hydraulic levers & calipers mated to 260mm & 220mm Galfer rotors
Ride modes: 100+
Wheels: 7050 T6 aluminum rims, CNC-machined 6082 T6 aluminum hubs
Tires: Pirelli MX32 (21-inch front, 18-inch enduro & 19-inch motocross rear options)
Tunable functions: Traction control, power curve, engine braking, virtual flywheel
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:52 - First Ride
03:02 - Bike Specs
05:17 - Test Ride
10:38 - Enduro Ride
12:40 - Charging
13:18 - Conclusion

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@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

So, what do you think of the Stark VARG? Anything else you want to know about the bike? If you want to read more about my Stark VARG First Ride, I wrote articles for RevZilla here: bit.ly/RevZillaStarkVarg and Electric Cycle Rider here: bit.ly/StarkVargFirstRide Shop Aftermarket Parts Here: bit.ly/ECRParts

@TheGrimnaut 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome vlog. Kinda sounds like you were grinning ear to ear the whole time. I know you confirmed that they plan to have an Enduro version, but did they give you any type of timeline as to when the Enduro version is going to be available to order? Can you say? :) Also, for the US/Canadian market, will the charger have an adapter to plug it to 240v outlet? Some things I think they really need to address. The back part of the seat needs to flare out to give riders something to squeeze against so they don't slide off the back (also for my big butt LOL). I also think that it would be really nice to have a bigger battery option (especially for the Enduro version). Lastly, I don't like where the VCU is located. I think it should be on a bracket further forward where most other bike clusters reside. Hopefully the Enduro version also has plugin options for accessories. :) What I think based on all the videos I've watched and I've watched them all, is that I think it was a good decision for me to jump onto the Storm Bee when I did as I'm going to be waiting a while still for the Stark (especially the enduro). The best thing that I love about the electrics is how quiet they are and all the feedback noise you can hear. The Stark is no different. Can't wait to get one!!!! EDIT: I forgot to add. The Stark Varg in white looks SOFA KING GOOD!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGrimnaut I definitely had a smile on my face! You know I usually narrate my videos while riding but this bike definitely demanded my full attention. To answer your questions, an enduro model is confirmed and likely what they're working on next. No confirmation on a release date of that model yet. It's my humble opinion to go with the 18" wheel on the VARG and re-valve it for enduro, I think you'll find it to be a real winner in that department. Understand your point on widening the rear area for squeezing but they were definitely going for the "slimmer is better" path. 6kWh is a pretty massive battery but definitely see your point for range. Very curious to see how the range fairs in the off road use case. The VCU is actually wireless, so it's possible that you could remove it and maybe even put it in your hydration pack (assuming you're riding enduro). The bike will run without it, you just won't get all the benefits of tuning etc from the app. So you could essentially remove the whole unit entirely when riding, if you fancy. Should be riding the Sur Ron Storm Bee in the coming weeks, excited for that bike too! 👍

@RC-qh9wj 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheGrimnaut I understand the charger for US applications will primarily be 240v but an adapter to standard 110v with longer charge times. Only reason I don’t have a KTM Freeride is the charging hassle in US

@RC-qh9wj 2 жыл бұрын

@@EarthSurferUSA I completely disagree- with this as my son & I have been riding E bikes together since he was 2. He’s 8 now. Lots of pros in a quiet operation such as urban park rides, immediate riding feedback, riding virtually anytime of day without neighbors even knowing, wildlife encounters etc etc same as gas bikes just different power train BUT one thing I will give you is E power is NOT the planet savior. We still have to rape the earth for metals in batteries & power has to come from somewhere-batteries only store energy

@samdanin4125 Жыл бұрын

Will there be a street legal version in Europe?

@RiggadonDan Жыл бұрын

I'm so ready for the street legal version of this bike. With improvements in range and price, this kind of bike will be the future.

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@Ulfdir The street legal supermoto version of the VARG will be very cool.

@hines862009 Жыл бұрын

Just have to add custom street legal kit for now I guess.

@josephschultz Жыл бұрын

Yes if range and charge times are good I would love this, might even have to consider this over a husky 701. So looking forward to this future of EV bikes

@vitalijusra6125 Жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider will there be one ?

@jcarlosmarques1787 Жыл бұрын

STREET LEGAL PLEASEEEEE!!!

@pk-so1mj Жыл бұрын

This looks absolutely awesome. I’m like you as far as gas vs electric. I think they are both awesome but i love the idea of charging a battery and not having to worry about constant valve adjustments and maintenance required. Charge the battery and replace the brake pads sounds pretty awesome. Really keen to have a look at what range can be achieved on the trails!

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@pk3012 That's the right perspective! I love my gas bikes and will most definitely keep them around but riding (mostly) maintenance free is a big selling point. 👍

@pk-so1mj Жыл бұрын

@@EarthSurferUSA I’m sorry, are you assuming you know me and my generation? Well to give you a heads up I’m a fully qualified mechanic and auto electrician that has been in the trade now for coming up on 23 years. I’ve owned 3 workshops and employed dozens of staff and actually started out working on the only bike I could afford at the time when I was 13 years old which was a CT90 that belonged to my mother, and it was broken when I got it and I got it going by teaching myself to work on it because I didn’t have an old man around to show me. So yes after a lot of years in the trade I love the idea of not having something that requires the amount of maintenance a modern 4 stroke has because I’d love the thing to be ready to go on the one day I take off a week which is usually Sunday. So before you “assume” you know someone just have a think before you write such a silly comment!

@shockadellick Жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider E-bikes will replace internal combustion motors at the MX track, however, it will be another 20 years before they make wave in the off-road world.

@FarmerFpv 2 жыл бұрын

You represent us Americans well. Thanks for sharing your ride with us. I can't wait to get my hands on one. My neighbors will truly appreciate it and be as excited as I am. lol.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Farmer Fpv Hey, I appreciate that man! You'll definitely keep the neighborhood quiet with no trade-off in power this bike! 👍

@nednelp9051 Жыл бұрын

What happened to your thumb!!

@kineticfix 2 жыл бұрын

Out of all the testers I was admittedly waiting with excitement for yours. Although some of the other guys might be "better" mx ridders or perhaps have more race experience, I knew their reviews were going to be more about how "different" it is to a gas bike and how fast (or slow) they got used to riding this electric bike... but you already ride electric bikes! It's cool to have your point of view on things. I myself ordered the 60hp version (had a hunch it would be more than enough) and I'm glad you confirmed it. Thanks for the great review!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@el poet Hey man, that's nice to hear. Thank you! Definitely a lot of really talented MX riders invited to the event and I will be the first to admit that I am not the best on the MX track by a long shot. I ride 90% enduro / single track and even at that, there are many riders that are far better than me! While I also don't consider myself a test rider with extreme sensitivity, I feel confident in my ability to interpret the bike and communicate that for the average rider or weekend warrior that is around my skill level, which seems to be a lot of riders. So, I'm glad that you care about my point of view! And yes, unless you are Eli Tomac, your 60hp bike is going to be more than enough power for motocross. 👍

@jaydensdream714 2 жыл бұрын

You have a great subscriber base but there are literally dozens of channels that carry much larger base. The fact you were invited to the test gives me a new respect for stark. Great video btw.

@Danboi. 2 жыл бұрын

I need one .. no more stinky fuel, break downs, tuning, mixing... hearing birds tweet whilst rippin through the trails..😍 I'm in love

@user-wq3wy6db3o Жыл бұрын

I love the zero emissions part to

@ConstantinSirbu 2 жыл бұрын

Best Stark Varg video out there! Thanks for flying all the way to Spain to show us the bike! Definitely worth waiting for it! Hope they can produce enough of them.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Constantin Sirbu Fortunate for the opportunity! As a result of the overwhelming amount of pre-orders, Stark Future is already moving their operations into a massive new building, which they claim is capable of producing 150,000 motorcycles per year. I'm sure the initial bikes will be a bit delayed but they have the benefit of producing much of the bike in-house, so it should be a pretty efficient setup once they are up and rolling. Appreciate the note! 👍

@chucktrotter9699 2 жыл бұрын

6.10.22 Tucker, thanks for making journey to test the bike. To bad you got sicko.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@CHUCK TROTTER Thank you for the note! It was totally worth it! 👍

@chucktrotter9699 Жыл бұрын

7.6.22 Tucker, what is the giveaway? What am I selected for?

@SchoolforHackers Жыл бұрын

Dude, you’ve got a really great channel here. It is REALLY fun getting the inside scoop from such a humble and capable guy. Thanks!

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@School for Hackers Hey thanks so much! Appreciate that. 👍

@jimmyjames8736 Жыл бұрын

I love how easily you can tailor power output to match location or riding style. Looks like a nice chassis too.

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@jimmy james So cool to have so many bikes in 1 by setting different power modes.

@douggarvey4599 2 жыл бұрын

Well done Tucker! Its refreshing having such an honest review from the folks at Electric Cycle Rider. Keep it up!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Doug Garvey Appreciate ya!

@douggarvey4599 2 жыл бұрын

@@EarthSurferUSA oh man, you ok bud? Did someone pee in your Cheerios?

@Surfratglass 2 жыл бұрын

Dude! You killed this video. Really enjoyed your commentary/voiceover

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@surf rat Thanks dude!! Can't wait for you to try this bike! 🤘

@musicbox4022 2 жыл бұрын

I love the Surron because they really did something different. They’re less than 1/2 the weight of conventional dirtbikes (including the SV). 1/2 the weight is HUGE. If I were a track rat, I’d be all about the SV.. but I’m trail obsessed- and I’m absolutely convinced my nicely modded Surron is a superior machine for super-tight hard-ish singltrack. The little thing can corner in tight singltrack with twitchy efficiency and easily clear big obstacles without wearing me out. IMO, the Alta, Freeride, and now the SV are just more of the same- giant heavy machines with less range than my KTM 250XCW TPI (which I also love). The Surron is different, new, lightweight, quick, acceptable on bike paths, versatile, and when properly modded- haul ass and handle like a dream!- my modded Surron weighs 125lbs with 40miles of hard single track range. It also goes through town on bike paths and through soccer fields.

@fts4life 2 жыл бұрын

"40miles of hard single track range" ... what mods have given you that much range?

@musicbox4022 2 жыл бұрын

@@fts4life I have the big 60V 63Ah from ebmx. I should be clear- my riding is not fast at all- definitely not high speed by any stretch. I also just rode 5 miles of hell with it in Utah - way easier than gas IMO. it was 3 or 4 miles to the trailhead, 8 miles of the “hell” part, and another 20+ miles to get back to the camp… and still had 34% leftover.

@fts4life 2 жыл бұрын

@@musicbox4022 that sounds pretty damn good and about how I ride my dirt bike. I’m slow too, prefer the techy hard stuff. I’m super curious to try one!

@musicbox4022 2 жыл бұрын

@@fts4life yeah mine was quite a build and expensive too- the stock bikes are way too weak.. but the built ones are amazing. Mtb trails, bike paths, and gnarly hill climbs..

@Fazer1789 Жыл бұрын

I love my Mx bike without any motors exclude my legs. It has only 16kg weight and this super lightweight for hard tracks. In last chance I shall overcome some mud simply by legs. Range is more than 70 km in one liter of water.😂

@waverider744 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, great video. Looking foward to some range data.

@i_might_be_lying 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like the future is brighter than ever!

@jinnij.caiman 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this!!!! Ive been wanting one so bad!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Jennifer Williams 🙌

@RC-qh9wj Жыл бұрын

Curious if the VCU will have some data aQ capability to assist in programming your power output/'compression' braking modes at the track?

@barkbros123 2 жыл бұрын

Greatest video out of all the videos I’ve seen, very very informative 💪🙏

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@BARKBROS Thanks man! 👍

@acamilop 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video- the drone shots rocked. Please bring me back one of the bikes.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Camilo Pineda You'll have to come ride it when it gets to CO 👍

@mxengineer1 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent overall first ride impression summary! Seems like a nice step forward from the Alta MXR/EXR models. Your Freeride E-XC might not be so fun now that you have ridden the Varg! Can't wait for my Varg to arrive though the original November shipping date is going to slip 1~3 months according to the email I received from Stark. Fuel injected 2-strokes, 60HP 450 4-strokes with quick shift and traction control, and soon 60 or 80HP electric bikes....nice to have choices!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@mxengineer1 Well said! It is definitely a step forward from the Alta models. I still love my Freeride E-XC but it holds no chance in the power department compared to this bike! It's unbelievable how fast the Stark is. And indeed, from new KTM fuel injected 2-strokes to Stark electric, very nice to have the options. 👍

@swedish_sadhguru3854 2 жыл бұрын

Its nice with new technology, but traction control takes some fun off the sport imo. That shouldnt even be allowed in racing.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@@swedish_sadhguru3854 The new 450 MX bikes have traction control too. I wouldn't be interested in traction control on an ICE bike but I'll be curious to try a low setting on the VARG and see how it works. The nice thing is that none of this stuff is mandatory. You can always just shut it off.

@swedish_sadhguru3854 2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider I had no clue modern 450s had it lol, do they use that in AMA too?

@jaydensdream714 2 жыл бұрын

@@swedish_sadhguru3854 factory riders have used it for 8-10 years. It's nothing more than a timing inhibitor tuned to retard when rpm levels spike quickly. You know my rmz250 has diagnostic light. And based on the light count and duration it tells me which of the electronic parts are faulty. Up to 14 different faults.

@TomsTinkeringandAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Well done! I like the way you put it at the end, ride your ride. It's great to have choices out there. I'm not in the market for a new bike right now, but in the near future when I am I hope there are many new offerings and an electric trail bike might be in the cards for me.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Tom's Tinkering and Adventures Thank you and glad that part resonated with you! There was a lot of the inevitable hate about the VARG in the last video I did, which is what prompted that statement. If you're having fun, then you're riding the right bike. And that Stark sure is fun to ride. Hope you get to try it soon and when you do, be sure to let me know what you think of it! 👍

@angelonavaroli5613 Жыл бұрын

Great video! cant wait for mine to arrive

@JohnHowerton137 Жыл бұрын

How have I never seen this video!? I'm a bell sub and I thought I'd seen every Varg video online. I think I've actually been losing sleep waiting for this thing to ship! Great video Tucker.

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@John Howerton Man, I'm not sure! Hopefully the video gave you a fresh Stark VARG fix to hold you over until it does ship! There might be some more sleepless nights in your future, though. Haha. 👍

@JohnHowerton137 Жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider yep. Good stuff as always 🤙

@ubcoiberica5972 2 жыл бұрын

Well done Tucker !! Bravo!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@UBCO Ibérica Thank you! 👍

@markkitaoka8783 2 жыл бұрын

Really great recap Tucker. Fingers crossed for a fully homologated USA dual sport version. I so then take my money now.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Mark Kitaoka Much appreciated, Mark! I'm sure a dual sport model is in the future. Knowing your background with electric motorcycles, I'm looking forward to the day you get to ride one of these. The DSR has impressive acceleration but this thing absolutely rips!

@monikabgilliam 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid!! I need the battery life video now lol and I am looking forward to a race review. We have two on pre order.. but I am skeptical re-longevity but they are super cool! Like I doubt I'd be able to finish an enduro on a single battery, a harescramble- probably with my speed. But I'd really hate to drive 8+ hours out of state and be stuck in the woods. Love the versatility of it, and options, and being able to ride in areas we otherwise wouldn't be able to.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Monika Blaháčková Gilliam Thanks Monika! Awesome to hear you and Jake have some on pre order. The range is definitely a bit of a question mark still but I will do a video on that probably this coming week. An enduro might be tough but it might finish a hare scramble. Maybe we find out this winter?!

@philwaltl8635 Жыл бұрын

Excellent test, this is the future and it looks like it's going to be a blast!

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@Phil Waltl 👍👍

@DSiegrist1 2 жыл бұрын

Great review. I had the chance to go ride the bike in March at MX Golf along with Anton and Sebastian. Coming from my current 2020 KTM 450 FE, I really did not know what to expect and if I wanted to like the bike or not. After riding a CRF450 around the track, which was after a long day of drizzle rain, the gas bike was OK, (I did not like the feel of the Honda). I got on the STARK and spun a few laps to learn the feeling of the bike. I was quickly impressed by how fast it felt at an instant of cracking the throttle. The ability to get in and out of corners was awesome and once I learned to jump the bike it became a lot of fun to do more laps. I think they have done an exceptional job with the bike, the suspension was spot on, the bike feels light in the air and once you get used to normal sounds of riding a regular gas bike, it becomes so much fun to spin laps on a VARG.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@DSiegrist1 That's really cool insight! For sure, there was a bit of learning curve for me too. I seemed to feel better and better every lap, just wanted to continue learning the bike honestly. As you said, the ability to get in and out of corners and the power is impressive. Interesting to hear how much you didn't like the CRF there. I didn't get a chance to ride the Honda but was told that the VARG pulled some strong inspiration from both the KTM and Honda. I bet Golf MX is really fun after some rain, huh!? Thanks for sharing, great to get your thoughts here 👍

@MrMoto461 2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider yes we rode the track in March after a few days of rain and drizzle once I got into town. Without time to recover from Jet lag we finally got to the track and it was wet and cold. Only 3 bikes to make some lines and I went out on the Honda first and it simply felt like a tractor compared to my KTM 450. Once on the Stark and after getting used to it and having some lines in the track it really was amazing. I have one in order so will keep 2 bikes to see how it goes for a few months. Great video and insight from your channel.

@andrewbetts2364 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent work, been waiting for a trusted tester to give us the real world low down without the factory hype 😉 Glad you got well enough to test 👍 I can't wait to have a go on one of these... Fantastic that they had, and let you pick, your gas bike of choice for an apples to apples comparison. Shows real confidence in the product. Did you compare lap times by any chance?

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Betts Thanks man! I appreciate that and fortunate to get the opportunity. For sure, a very bold move to bring in the high end 450 MX bikes for comparison. Stark Future is confident and they should be, it seemed almost unanimous that the gas bikes are great but the VARG is truly competitive from a performance standpoint. I did not compare my lap times during this. I feel like I was learning the track and the bike the whole time so I wasn't pushing it. Once I get the bike home in my environment where I'm comfortable, and with a gas bike that I'm also comfortable with, I'll probably do that.

@ThePolysyllabist 2 жыл бұрын

Off road capability is high prio, so was thrilled to see the part where you guys take it up those hills. Looks super capable.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@ThePolysyllabist Definitely! The bike absolutely crushed those little hill climbs. It feels super capable indeed.

@ericbraun4652 Жыл бұрын

What a blast... totally awesome. Great FPV pilot too. I had a Maico 501 back in the 80's. It was only 50hp and a complete monster. If you had it in too steep of a gear it would just spin the rear. You really didn't need gears at all. So, I can't imagine 80hp in a dirt bike. Crazy.

@KNKLHEAD Жыл бұрын

Excellent review. I have two Sur Rons and woods ride, woods ride, woods ride. Wow, would it be fun to try one of these out, but I'm an older rider and may have to retire with lighter and less power. But this brings back memories of my Maico 490. :)

@volksquadman Жыл бұрын

Brilliant, i left a country- lack of places to ride because of noise. I bought a Surron- no complaints from anyone. My 4t & 2T are great but after decades of seeing dozens of riding spots dissapear- the Varg is a big part of the answer.

@MrFredCox Жыл бұрын

Great review, very informative!

@rickrossi4468 Жыл бұрын

Just found this review,very cool. Been watching Bryan Haskell channel.He got the first Stark Varge in the States.

@r.foshee1578 Жыл бұрын

Do they have a slip hub or sprocket at the rear wheel assembly?

@campbellread1918 2 жыл бұрын

thx for the review. good times. Speed and big air...great, but I'd love to see motor/power control on tricky enduro, then Im sold! love the idea of electric but need to control that torque.

@ll4512 Жыл бұрын

Will it be possible to mimic, well any petrol bike power band? and also, their sound, will it not be difficult to have a mx race where no riders hear any bikes about to pass?

@RobsNeighbor Жыл бұрын

I cant wait to see this as I have followed Stark since day 1

@GettingthruLife 2 жыл бұрын

Well done! A great video for this bike.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Getting thru Life 🙌

@vintagevinylvets1187 Жыл бұрын

I love everything we have seen from this bike. I have Parkinson’s and no longer ride. Hate I cannot enjoy this new technology. I know I would ride it EVERY weekend. Gotta say, I would not have believed it if I hadn’t seen it. Kudos!🙏🏻🏁

@spiddyman0079 Жыл бұрын

6:00 so my family has a jet ski and it is automatic i guess and gets instant throttle response at any speed but it is gas powered. How does that work?

@griffithracingteam2412 2 жыл бұрын

Your review is the best one I've watched so far. Makes me want one bad now that I've watched your review. The only thing that worries me is battery life as we ride offroad 99% off the time

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Griffith Racing Team Thanks so much man, I appreciate that. Understood on battery life, I think it is still everyone's biggest question mark and something I plan to answer as soon as possible!

@matkatgoproarchive Жыл бұрын

Did you do any single-track riding during the test? The "woods" riding was more play-riding around some fields and hills. While still awesome, it would be rad to hear how this thing handled actual trail riding.

@rixogtr 2 жыл бұрын

This is such a good review, I totally loved those last words. That said, I'm not a dirt bike rider, I've had supermotos and now I have Husqvarna Nuda but Tucker's videos make me want to get the Surron or the KTM Freeride so much. I'm a person who doesn't like to be bothered by nearby riders revving their dirt bikes in nearby forest on relaxin Sunday afternoon therefore I wouldn't want to bother others if I go for a ride, that's what I see as the biggest advantage in electric dirt bikes. I just hope the battery technology will progress very soon to be able to have better battery life and performance on a single charge.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Richard Awesome 🙌Thanks for relaying that!

@rixogtr 2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider your videos are really good! Nice quality content. Again, you solely made me want to get a Surron 😂

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@@rixogtr Love to hear it man! Much appreciated.

@rixogtr 2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider Really looking forward to see some more stuff with the Stark bike!

@tianjohan4633 Жыл бұрын

I hope Varg will have an enduro version with a clutch for traction control and to help in technical section, double blip etc.

@RC-qh9wj 2 жыл бұрын

best initial review thanks looking forward to my Alta replacement

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@RC I appreciate it! If you like your Alta, you're going to love the Stark. The powertrain is everything the Redshift was and more with a better "race" inspired chassis feel and better suspension. 👍

@RC-qh9wj 2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider retired r&d rider battery bikes will never replace gas bikes just a different powertrain-been on electric for 10years pros n cons to both different sensations- they allow more urban riding areas & im all for riding! I appreciate your E background & the context you provide- keep up the good work 😉

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@@RC-qh9wj I couldn't agree with you more! Cool to hear your perspective, especially given your background. I've got 2T and 4T bikes in the garage too and I don't want to give them up! Different bikes for different scenarios. Pros and cons for sure. Thanks for the note 👍

@tcskibike Жыл бұрын

I have an aging 17 Beta 300rr and hoping my next bike will be electric but I dont believe they are at the level to ride a full day on trail and I really want a clutch especially for offroad.

@grimuk3817 Жыл бұрын

This is what I have been looking for. I am currently building my tiny home on wheels (Luton conversion) and my solar setup is immense, to say the least. So finding a bike I can literally ride for free was at the top of my list. I'm giving up my brand new R7 for this ...

@JohnnyElihue Жыл бұрын

Killer video. But you coming up just a tiny bit short on that jump over and over was making my eye twitch. lol

@electricmx 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video and information !!!!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Electric Mx 🙌

@franckmarteen9999 Жыл бұрын

Hi Do you know if they re gonna make an enduro also? Using this base? This bike is amazing 🤩

@RyderSigety Жыл бұрын

Are the KYB Forks SSS or AOS Model?

@T-Sav 2 жыл бұрын

cannny wait for this!

@dg1019 2 жыл бұрын

What do you think about versions built with a clutch and transmission? I know there are some e trials bikes with that configuration. I think for more technical off road terrain a clutch might be essential.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@D G I'm a big fan of the Electric Motion, which utilizes a hydraulic clutch. It thrives in technical terrain when building RPM is needed. I have not personally ridden an electric dirt bike with a transmission. I don't think a clutch/transmission is needed for this bike in MX but as you said, I could see the benefit of having a clutch in some technical enduro scenarios.

@tintin6291 Жыл бұрын

Clutch ia not needed. Once you ride one if these you'll see why

@mrpx77 Жыл бұрын

Nice drone pilot!

@patrickkennelly2655 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Patrick Kennelly 🙌

@MrEricaltman Жыл бұрын

How well do you think these will do with Enduro riding when you need to pivot and dont have a clutch/transmission to pop your front end up and modulate in a way to pivot properly?

@MrNathanmartin95 Жыл бұрын

I have the same question. Some of the electric trials bikes are building in pseudo clutches. Basically a flywheel that spins up to give the power burst. Would love to see that brought into this bike

@bradl45 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and congrats on your channel growth!! I suspect companies in the future will let you pick from many options. I love ripping around metro areas and in the woods. 2 wheel selectable drive and a battery that gets me to a 90kg bike please. GO electric, and go ktm 500 for the T1 in Idaho!! Life is good

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@Brad Lu Thanks Brad! Appreciate your support and life is good indeed! 👍

@marcussmith4913 Жыл бұрын

if I order today when do you think it will ship? how far back are these orders already? 2023 ships in 2024?

@houla Жыл бұрын

I was days away from buying an Alta. I even ordered a t-shirt. Then they went incommunicado right before they collapsed. I'm thankful for that. I still got my t-shirt lol. I'm a little wary of these start-up companies now though.

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@houla Such a bummer to lose Alta!! They had some big things in the works for their next version of bike too...

@EricKammerzelt 2 жыл бұрын

Was that radiator fan noise at 11:25? Havent heard that on an electric bike before.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Eric Kammerzelt That's the motor and inverter water-cooling system. It kicks on when you start the bike and has a bit of a humming noise. Definitely unique for eMoto but it's actually a pretty nice indication that the bike is on.

@marco21falcon Жыл бұрын

What about cold weather effects on batteries?

@Racerboy535 2 жыл бұрын

Dude you are so on point!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Britches ain’t sheet Thanks dude! 🙌

@asianhimalayahomestay Жыл бұрын

Hello it looks very good and sporty. Awesome 👌 how much does a electric bike which you have ridded ?

@wyattguttery9614 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like a great bike overall, I’d like to get one for woods enduro style riding

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@wyatt guttery That seems to be a pretty common use case. Which is good, because that's where I plan to use mine as well. From the little enduro riding that I did that day, I feel like the VARG is going to be a really good single track / enduro bike.

@EssPhour 2 жыл бұрын

With peak HP of the two models being 60hp/80hp, what are the nominal ratings?

@eddieb3915 2 жыл бұрын

Great review! Thanks so much for sharing. You're one of the more knowledgeable e-dirt bike reviewers, so I was really looking forward to hearing what you thought. And I love your comments in the conclusion, very well said. I CAN'T wait to get my Varg, Lol.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Eddie Boyd Hey! Much appreciated Eddie. You are going to love this bike. I hate to use the term but it is a "game changer" for sure. Thanks for the note 👍

@douglasyoung3992 9 ай бұрын

My favorite things in this video dirt bikes and flying fpv quads!

@Just3adventures 2 жыл бұрын

I know it is a hard answer but realistic single track riding times would be super nice to know. Does the stark varg easily take the place of your upgraded sur ron? Thanks for the rider feedback and making awesome content for young riders like us to watch :)

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Just 3 Thanks man! I appreciate the compliment. For sure, I am so eager to get some ride time testing on single track. Hopefully soon. The Sur Ron and the Stark are in such different categories, it's really hard to compare the two. Another viewer brought up the Talaria Sting and I had this to say: I think there are great uses for both bikes. I could see owning both, personally. Stealth, easy to ride and lightweight is the Talaria (or Sur Ron). For the MX track or anything that demands a full-size moto, the Stark VARG is the bike. In the right environment, a modded Sur Ron is still such a fun bike. Sur Ron just created a completely new category of bike which, in itself, is a very cool thing to experience. Stark Future does not have any interest in that category. They want to go for the high-end premium MX category and compete with gas machines, which I respect too. 👍

@BrianLampright913 2 жыл бұрын

I can’t wait!!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Brian Lampright You are going to love it!

@davidesarey 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome review (as usual)! So the big question: Will you be buying one for yourself?

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@David Esarey I will have one in the lineup for sure!

@BP45167 2 жыл бұрын

Great review! lucky it was over sprung, either there was a lot of repeats in the video or you cased a heck of a lot of jumps lol, The suspension did seem to handle it quite well tho Would you say this is a bike to have as well as the petrol/ gas powered bike or could you just have this? I ride a good mix or everything from enduro to Mx

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@brady pascoe Thank you! Haha, yeah man. The suspension definitely saved me. Jumping is not my best skill and learning the new bike and new track while sick did not help! Your question is a great one and it is pretty tough to answer because I think it's really subjective to the rider. I personally like having the option to ride different bikes in different scenarios. As much as I ride electric, I still really love my 300 2T and that bike allows me to put in long ride days when I'm out with friends. I need to verify the range on the VARG in an enduro setting and see where that stands before I can confidently answer but for me, I still value having the gas bikes too. 👍

@alexfrankl7861 Жыл бұрын

They seem to be on the right track with decent forks/shock combo which is the reason i purchase the bikes i ride , as far as range goes 60km for training is an absolute minimum 80km for a one way trailride and 120km would match the range of my 2ts, then your comparing apples .

@gedigan3346 Жыл бұрын

What does the subscription per month cost after buying the bike to adjust throttle, power curve?

@SWTrailsAndWheels 2 жыл бұрын

If trail riding and not motocross racing, would it be better to order it with springs one level down from your actual weight? Or, is the issue for trails more about the damping valving?

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@lessdeth69 I would recommend keeping the spring rate at your correct weight, although you will likely benefit from having a reputable suspension tuner re-valve the setting for trails and your riding style etc. The KYB stuff has a ton of adjustability. Some more time spent with it and I bet I could have found something that worked well for enduro. This stuff was just setup for MX.

@MrMollymoto 2 жыл бұрын

love the review man! suspension must be alright because I think you cased almost every jump in the video and still looked good 😂

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@nathan young 😂 I know man! Definitely good thing. I'll be the first to admit that MX tracks are not my strong suit. Took me a little while to get comfortable out there.

@MrMollymoto 2 жыл бұрын

Love it mate, the best part of it was that they got boys like you and gypsy tales that are at different intermediate levels so you get to see how yas handle instead of pros that makes anything look good. Can tell you're a good c*** aswell after I took a little jab about casing and you rolled with it 😂 keep up the good work 🤙

@GiovanniEsposito5 2 жыл бұрын

The best impressions/review of the Varg from that media day! And I wasn't expecting any different... 😉 What was the max voltage at 100% soc? 420 V? Do they say that the battery is 100s4p? A bold choice, will see if it pays out. Any news on a street legal/enduro version? Did you see the charger? Is the box under the bike in the end of your video?

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Giovanni Esposito Thanks man! Appreciate that. Those are some great questions and honestly I am not entirely sure of the answers. I know that the nominal voltage is 360v. I'd be speaking out of turn if I said I knew the exact configuration of the cells but maybe someone from Stark Future will chime in here. I did indeed see the charger! As you suggested, it's visible in the "charging" section of the video. The charger is implemented into the bike stand, which is pretty cool. They are definitely working on the street legal and enduro options but have a lot to accomplish with the full release of the VARG, so I'm sure it will be a little bit before those are revealed. 👍

@justincoats7236 Жыл бұрын

Just get a street kit.

@GiovanniEsposito5 Жыл бұрын

@@justincoats7236 a "street kit" is useless here if you can't legally register it.

@justincoats7236 Жыл бұрын

@@GiovanniEsposito5 I guess it just depends on which state you live in. In Utah, you just have to pass the inspection. My brother drives his RZR side by side on the street.

@GiovanniEsposito5 Жыл бұрын

@@justincoats7236 Italy, Europe, just across the pond! Nothing it's easy here.

@enforcer-enduro 2 жыл бұрын

The one I’ve been waiting for! How does it ride compared to the Alta? And is it as good as you hoped it to be?

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Enforcer Enduro Yes it is! In terms of powertrain, the Stark feels like everything the Alta was and more. I was not personally the biggest fan of the chassis and ergos of the Alta. The VARG has the Alta beat in that department by quite big margin, in my opinion. The KYB suspension is really nice too. The only thing left for interpretation is the battery range. This is what I wrote in my article for RevZilla: "We were reminded prior to our test that the bikes provided were still considered pre-production. This included the battery, which is a feature that I was most eager to evaluate. It is no secret that the Achilles heel of electric motorcycles is their range and Stark has made some very bold claims about the range of the VARG. They claim that their 6 kWh battery, with its air-cooled honeycomb magnesium case, can provide similar range to a full tank of gas on a 450 cc motocross bike. Stark says this translates to riding a 35-minute moto at "Grand Prix" intensity (which they can verify with their former pro test rider, Sébastian Tortelli), or up to six hours of easy trail riding. Due to the structure of our test day, the beta readout on the VCU display, and the fact the production model battery is expected to receive some changes, I cannot confidently critique the range of this bike. With that colossal disclaimer out of the way, I will say that after running eight laps at about two minutes per lap on the MX course, mixed with a 30-minute session of mixed enduro riding, my display was touting a state of charge of 66 percent. Not bad." If you want to read more about my thoughts of the Stark, My full RevZilla article is here: bit.ly/RevZillaStarkVarg ECR article here: bit.ly/StarkVargFirstRide

@markward7088 2 жыл бұрын

What is the battery's lifespan, how much do extra batteries cost, how easy can batteries be changed, can extra batteries be carried in a back pack?

@travisestus191 2 жыл бұрын

All the questions about the range are easily answered. The Varg will be 11% better as it has 11% more capacity than the Alta. And this is if the Varg’s 6kWh is nominal capacity, not a full charge claim of 6kWh. The math seems to work out to 6kWh at nominal capacity using Molicel P42A cells. From the original release video from Stark it appears the battery holds 400 cells. 400 P42A’s would be exactly 6kWh nominally. In comparison, the Alta had 504 Panasonic 3ah cells, so 5.4kWh of nominal capacity. The P42A’s are a bit more of a power cell versus the Panasonic’s, that along with the added capacity will help with power demands (lower C rate required). So this may help with the thermal limiting issues the Alta faced with faster riders. Time will tell, but a full moto at pro speeds still seem like a bold statement.

@fransabolich382 2 жыл бұрын

Very observant :)

@travelingmike40 2 жыл бұрын

And the stated increased efficiency of the motor and inverter? Decreased weight of the bike? You seem to know electric, so genuine questions . What about the Stark cooling system for the motor and inverter? Did the Alta have one as well? Seems like a few other factors then pack size. This will be my first electric bike, already EV fan/owner.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Travis Estus Thanks for breaking this down. As I said in another comment, I am no engineer so I don't want to speak out of turn but the fact that Alta struggled with thermal issues with faster riders seems to be something that no one could replicate during our tests on the VARG. A lot of R&D went into the VARG in terms of battery design with a focus on cooling. As you pointed out, they are also using 21700 cells where the Alta used 18650. Time will tell indeed. I'm no expert in battery design but the statement is bold and we will all surely know the range answer here soon.

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@@travelingmike40 Good catches and all things that should only help the equation. It will be interesting to see all the real world testing when the production model is available for personal testing.

@travisestus191 2 жыл бұрын

there’s really no significantly new inverter technology since the Alta that I am aware of. Motor control logic is motor control logic. Maybe some better field weakening settings, but that’s more of tweaking when you’re talking the level of competency we are here. I could very well be wrong/unaware though. The motor also appears to be similar if not the same Fukuta motor Alta used. They’re running a similar voltage, I’m assuming 100s (360v) where Alta was 84s (300v). So maybe a bit of efficiency from that, mostly thermal as more amps usually means more heat so if you can increase power via voltage rather than amps you can be a bit more efficient. This is likely their biggest power/efficiency advantage. The Alta motor was water cooled, the main frame was the radiator essentially. I can’t remember if the inverter was part of that cooling system or not to be honest. The two might operate at two different of thermal loads to even be on the same cooling system as well. Again, maybe a slight improvement, but not much to be gained I don’t believe. As for the battery, I’m very curious to see inside one of these packs. The landspeed crowd, e-aviation guys, and others are bound to get their hands on some of these and dissect them for their needs and hopefully share the insight along the way. There’s a great video on here of the Alta pack being dissected. 21700 cells really are not that much better as far as power density or energy density goes versus 18650 at the cell level, but less cell connections and potentially a more simple packing allow for lighter weight and better manufacturability. The P42A’s are a better power cell compared to the Panasonic cells used in the Alta pack though. Better power density, but less energy dense. The ends of every cell having a direct thermal path to ambient air is the single biggest design advantage Stark has in my opinion. I think this is mainly what plagued Alta. The cells in the center of the pack were being heated by all the surrounding cells with no where for their thermal load to go (no connection to the outer casing for convective heat transfer). Not sure how they are isolating the cells (keeping them from shorting out) but that’s what I’m mainly interested to eventually see one day. As for the weight, it will certainly help the handling… range, I’m doubtful. Throw a 20lbs heavier guy on an Alta and it’s not going to make a significant difference. I’m also skeptical of the weight claims being achievable on a mass production scale. R&D bikes, cars, planes, etc are one thing, but to make the same thing on an assembly line is another. Manufacturability is a tough nut to crack, it’s what I do to pay the bills. I’ll move to Spain Stark! It’s where my family sailed from originally haha Anyway, the Alta didn’t really have thermal issues trail riding, so range really comes down to capacity, so 11% more range on the trails is all we’re probably going to get in the real world. We need a quadrupling of energy density for e-moto’s to be a viable replacement for off-road.

@emmaliddell8507 Жыл бұрын

Great item to have and easy to maintain.

@noidea1962 Жыл бұрын

I've been considering electric for one reason. I ride in The Black Hills of South Dakota, and even with my noisy 4 stroke, see ALL kinds of wildlife...well, their back ends at least. How much MORE wildlife would I see if the bike I was on was quiet?! I'd love to find out, but ouch, $12K is more than twice what I paid for my 250F. Sigh, to be young and dumb again, instead of just dumb.

@ThatGuy_33 Жыл бұрын

Could you make a new top-five video A lot of new bikes have introduced and it’s hard to know which bike I should start with

@ElectricCycleRider Жыл бұрын

@ThatGuy Yessir! It's in the queue. There are a few bikes in the rotation that I am currently testing and want to include so expect to see that updated video in the coming months. 👍

@kensthorne7060 Жыл бұрын

I want one, I'm a right lower leg amputee and having the rear brake where the clutch would be is totally awesome so I can ride wheelies again. I'm originally from Southern California but currently living in Arlington, Texas USA How can I get a list of locations where I can purchase this beast

@lboughto 2 жыл бұрын

Great review Tucker... just when I formulated a question about the charger BOOM you addressed the charger! My biggest question is range for our Colorado singke track in a mode that is aggressive to tame the rocks, roots and elevation gains. I understand the difficulties of answering that question in the limited time you had on the bike. Are there preset on the fly modes the rider can select or like the Freeride do you have to stop and change modes? Did they have any Forest Gray bikes and how did they look? I know the bike was over sprung for you but could you tell how the Mid Valve performed? Good to know the foot brake felt right. I still want to introduce the Rekluse left hand brake aftermarket. Sorry to bombard you with questions!

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@lboughto Thank you! For sure, range still remains the biggest question mark, even after the test. I do think you'll be surprised how much power this bike has. Selecting an aggressive singletrack mode will be a really fun objective and will surely mean de-tuning the power curve quite a bit from the MX setting, at least for my preference. Knowing the mapping options that the VCU will have, it will be really cool to mess around with. The VCU was still in beta mode for our test so we didn't get full access to these modes. However, there is an up/down mapping button on the left side of the handlebar, which will allow you to toggle through your preset modes, similar to the way Alta had designed their and likely even easier than the Freeride E-XC. They did not have any Forest Gray bikes to check out at the test. Just red and white. Did you order the Forest Gray? Pretty impressed with the body kit. 5 or so bolts and the entire plastic kit pulls off the top of the bike. Shrouds, seat, side panels and rear fender all as one. The suspension has a lot of potential. As you mentioned, it was sprung a bit stiff for me but it worked well throughout the entirety of the stroke. I would re-valve it for off-road riding as our setting was definitely an MX setup, but it had an impressive amount of hold up when I would under or over jump a feature. Behind the range and VCU on the bike, the next piece I'm really excited to dial in is the KYB kit. I was planning to test the hand brake option as well but we ran out of time that day. I'm sure it works great but still know my preference for the full size motocross bikes.

@benswift218 2 жыл бұрын

U should get around 30 miles hard riding 60 in 20hp mode I reckon

@johanliden8143 Жыл бұрын

When do you get yours? Any update?

@UHB007 Жыл бұрын

WOW! Of course you couldn't comment on the range, it was the only thing I wanted to know about.

@lanko1 Жыл бұрын

This one is better than storm bee?

@stevestewart6287 Жыл бұрын

I would love to get one of these bikes, but I weigh 240 lbs. how many miles could I get on a charge if I rode it on the full 60hp setting, between half throttle and full throttle. And once I did that, how long would it take to charge it back to 100% charge. What were the lap times for both bikes, did the EV bike do faster or slower lap times than the Husky.

@stevestewart6287 Жыл бұрын

@@EarthSurferUSA No thanks. I doubt they would run 2 hours at or near full power with a 240 lb. rider on them, so why would I ever buy one, they are junk to me, unless they can go at least 6 hours on one charge.

@necromancer1976 2 жыл бұрын

Curious where you might have got the 50kw-100kw spec on the inverter? Being 1kw = 1.34hp... well ya know. Maybe some mis-information?

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@MakersPlace Thanks for keeping me honest. The information is direct from the press release here, verbatim: "The inverter for 50-100kW power ranges is patented and is the smallest in the world within this power range. It is also integrated into the motor case in order to reduce mass and simplify the cooling process. The motor generates 9hp/kg. That is about 4 times more power-to-weight ratio on a typical 450cc four-stroke motor."

@Navaho66 Жыл бұрын

The real benefit of electric bikes is the potential for riding areas close to town if not in town. I hope this takes off.

@ldadams9943 Жыл бұрын

do you have frame size of 58 or 60?

@drmdjones Жыл бұрын

Why you coming up short on the jumps?

@RockRider2k 2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy with my Talaria for now, but probably when i reach the limits i will need smth like this

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Anton Smirnov For sure! The Talaria is a great bike and fits in a completely different riding category. These two bikes are night and day different. Their biggest similarities are that they have wheels, handlebars and are electric. The rest can hardly be compared! I think there are great uses for both bikes. I could see owning both, personally. Stealth, easy to ride and lightweight is the Talaria. For the MX track or anything that demands a full-size moto, the Stark VARG is the bike. Enjoy! 👍

@snakegs4203 2 жыл бұрын

Great review man. Changed my overall outlook. Just wish they’d adopt the clutch for hard enduro application or technical riding. I want one now(:

@ElectricCycleRider 2 жыл бұрын

@Snake GS Very cool man, I'm stoked to hear that. I agree with you on the clutch for hard enduro. I had a couple talks with Anton about that and he really thinks about this stuff too. I don't think it is off the table for future models but they will ultimately go the direction of what they think makes most sense. It's cool to know the person running the company truly rides and cares about creating the best bike possible. For now, and for their MX bike application, I think it is completely fine to not have a clutch. 👍

@snakegs4203 2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricCycleRider totally agree for mx and just having a blast, no clutch is fine. Maybe they’ll adopt the E-Motion clutch somehow someday. Also cost is still crazy but we will pay it.

@PerroDelCielo Жыл бұрын

Are they better than a Alta?

@kirkwilliams4942 Жыл бұрын

Wow, it looks huge

@russellzauner Жыл бұрын

Instead of putting the rear brake on the handlebars I would opt to duplicate the rear brake on both feet and put a front brake on both sides so if even if you only have one foot/hand on the bike you still have access to a brake. I'd also like a PID controlled CVT... :-) And wireless charging stand... And adapters to fast charge at high current public car charging stations...