Arturia Astrolab // MoonBASS Alpha's returned
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Astrolabe is a celebration of 25 years of Arturia. It's their software condensed into a single hardware unit. You have 1,300 onboard patches with access to another 7,000 with the bundled Analog Lab software.
The sounds are as good as you'd expect from Arturia, and there's so many Orestes it's difficult to pick what's best for any track in particular. You don't need ton edit with this many sounds on board, but if you've got the software licenses you can edit the synths to your hearts content.
I like editing and tweaking to death so having thew V Collection opens this up a whole lot more.
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► Clubbing TV From the Studio:
• From The Studio
0:00 intro
3:27 Artist Tribute Tones
6:46 Browsing The instruments
12:17 The Interface
13:29 Chords Mode
14:05 MIDI Looper
15:03 Analog Lab / Playlists and Songs
18:24 Effects
19:24 Editing synths in Analog Lab
20:43 patch selection
@jettsom 3 ай бұрын
People are missing the point. This is really a great tool for someone like me who doesn't like spending countless hours tweaking knobs. Jumping from a Juno, to Oberheim to a Prophet 5 with a twist of a knob is all that I want without the need to sit in front of my computer.
@rebeccaschade3987 3 ай бұрын
Totally. Sometimes one can get lost in "tweaking knobs" and end up getting nothing done. Nothing wrong with presets if they are good presets. And it's not like a good preset machine replaces everything else in a studio.
@davebellamy4867 Ай бұрын
For anyone who has a couple of analogue synthesizers, this does most of the rest.
@wout123100 Ай бұрын
@@rebeccaschade3987 agree totally , but but the way to lookup the presets is not so good, way too small screen
@jasonakagecko 3 ай бұрын
I ❤ your videos. I appreciate your honesty. You’re the best!
@WoodyPianoShack 3 ай бұрын
nice playing starsky, i never realized before what a great player you are, this keyboard certainly brings out the best in you :) great demo, thanks for the upload.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Hey Woody, thanks. The first thing I learned to do when I started electronic music production was to forget any fancy chords and only play with one hand 😂. Thanks for stopping by!- love your channel
@browe 3 ай бұрын
Ahh, Space: 1999. I had a toy Eagle as a kid. Brilliant. "This Episode. This Episode."
@davebellamy4867 Ай бұрын
Wasn't there a Dinky Toys model?
@crimsonfancy 3 ай бұрын
Such an impressive demonstration of every new tool and for this one, many virtual tools included into one machine. At first I thought to myself, "why do we want to reproduce what others have done?" but I understand the allure. One in such case I'd request would be Gary Numan "Metal," and etc? 😉 Well made show and much appreciated ....I'm headed to the mentioned patch downloads now. All the best to you! 🍻
@Berus7777 3 ай бұрын
Another great review - Starsky always seems to have a talent for picking up on the intended purpose (and potential) of an instrument, and highlighting those aspects as he's reviewing the piece of gear in question. I think the most important thing this synth offers is the incredible selection of sounds (done well) in a single place - which, in itself, is very powerful. I'm almost a little surprised that they didn't offer this in a silver colerway (25th anniversary being the "silver" anniversary). If it can look good on a Minilogue, it could look good on an Astrolab. EDIT: I would LOVE to see Starsky compare some of the sounds on this synth (such as the Solina) with Behringer's Solina (and Behringer's other clones). It would be interesting to see how Arturia's digital emulations of some of the old classics in this box compare with various Behringer boxes in a sort of combo video with the Astrolab taking on 4-5 of Behringer's boxes. (Prophet VS emulation vs Behringer's little VS clone would be another I'd like to see.)
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Yah thanks... I went back and forth on this for a while until it clicked. What they've produced is a no compromise sound module so if you're not that interested I programming tones you have everything at hand (over 7000 in Analog Lab) and don't have to put up with mediocre sounds. If you want to edit them and you're a synth head, you've probably got a version of V Collection you can use to edit them.
@DudeWithADrone 3 ай бұрын
I'm impressed how they managed to retrofit a Nest on one of their keyboards ;-) Nice bit of kit and I'm sure it's very good value. My pockets just ain't that deep!
@soundfx68 3 ай бұрын
Love the mention of Moon Base Alpha our kid! Wish I could watch it all today... yeah, 50 something ;)
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
It’s all on ITVX 😊
@soundfx68 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr I'll check that out thanks! 🤗
@user-vn1zb9ov8d 3 ай бұрын
@@soundfx68 It's all on KZfaq too.
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
I ordered mine as soon as I saw the announcement. I've been using V Collection for many years, and got Pigments when first released. I have many sounds I created over the year, and now I can take them with me without a computer, audio interface,... Will be a great synth keyboard to add to my current stage keyboard(s).
@daniel_dumile 3 ай бұрын
I've never used pigments, does this offer full control over it standalone or just loading stuff you designed on a computer? The $2k price tag seems steep for what is easily reproduced with a portable macbook air and a far smaller midi keyboard with the same knobs
@daniel_dumile 3 ай бұрын
The screen size alone would be a major deterrence for vst control, but I guess if you have $2k to spare on this stuff you can afford the minor convenience during... Ugh travel when you can lug around a giant keyboard without a laptop
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
@@daniel_dumile much easier to carry around a single 61-key keyboard vs a computer, audio interface and MIDI keyboard controller, no to mention the extra stands, cables and setup/teardown time. I already have my main stage keyboard rigs, and have to bring one of those too, with stands, and if I need my 25-note pedals, I also need to bring a bench...reducing what I need to bring makes a difference to me. for live control, I have MIDI floor controller that can do program changes and more; the updated Analog Lab Pro provides even more control to organize and access your patches without using or needing a touch screen. If I need MPE or poly aftertouch, I have a KMI K-Board-Pro-4, have yet to see if I can get it to work with the AstroLab. I also think it will be useful in my studio connected to a computer running my V Collection and Pigments software for creating new sounds as well. Clearly it's not for everyone, the AstroLab will be more useful than what I've been using.
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
@@daniel_dumile I don't do sound design or deep tweaking of patches in a live setting, I do that at home on the computer. Not having to bring a computer, audio interface and MIDI keyboard and everything else vs having to bring a 61-key AstroLab makes a difference for me. Just another tool that should simplify my live rig. They're only $1600 street in the US, and you can find 15% discounts too, like I did; vs a KeyLab 61 MkII which is around $600 new before discounts. I already have at least several MIDI keyboard controllers. AstroLab will work great for me in my live rig and in the studio, while I wait to see what Korg does for their next flagship workstation, and I don't mean Nautilus AT.
@DrawAndErase 3 ай бұрын
Doesn't come with v collection or pigments, just analog lab, so you will need to buy a pigments license to fully customise the sounds. It also has a bit of lag loading sounds so without seamless transitions it's a bit of a hard sell for live.
@SynthgodXXX 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video! I love all of the virtual classic synths included! It looks very retro Flash Gordon to me!
@pizzagogo6151 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the run through! This is great release by Arturia😮 fills a gap for people like me, very much a hardware person so to put their great emulations in a quality stand-alone keyboard is a great move. Personally I’m not sure about the aesthetics- just a bit too “ minimalist “ for me, but have to hand it to them for doing something different, yet tasteful😁
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
It does look great. The wheel thing is kinda dumb. Like a Samsung gear watch device dial on a $2k prime real estate board with all that wasted space? If it's for state you'd think they would want you to have a larger screen. But then I guess they expect you to tether your phone or iPad with the Astro App
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Once you're set up you don't need to tether to anything. I see it as something you set up at home ... playlists/songs/sounds etc for the gig,. then just pack this. I really see it as something that's not marketed towards those of us who want to tweak sounds to the nth degree (like me) on the synth, but those looking for highest quality tones that they can edit if need be off-line (ie not at the gig).
@_P_M_ 3 ай бұрын
You had me at Space 1999. Grooooovay! :-)
@Berus7777 3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@aeon136 3 ай бұрын
Lovely Piece of Kit!😊... Hopefully they come-out with an 'Ebony Version' -got 'snowblind' starin' @ it!😱
@oupahens9219 3 ай бұрын
Chernoble, not Chernobile, or what was that?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
haha.. the videoing lasted a whole day - it started out storm level outside (you can hear the vocals sound distorted at one point where the processing is attempting to get rid of the rain/wind in the background). It then got imperceptibly brighter but bright enough for the ISO settings on the camera to be far too high. I had to redo a couple of bits as it got soooo bright.. !
@aeon136 3 ай бұрын
LOL! 😏
@ProckGnosis 3 ай бұрын
As a big Pigments fan, I'd LOVE to have a hardware equivalency, but with an 8-voice polyphony limitation for more complex sound engines (if I understood correctly) and still needing a computer to fully modify patches, this is just a bit too limited for me. If I really wanted the Arturia V Collection at my finger tips, I would think a laptop running Virtual Sound Stage (or something similar) would better scratch the itch and likely offer more polyphony and definitely offer more control. But noooo denying this SOUNDS amazing and offers an incredible selection of engines and tones. I'll be curious to see where they take this idea...a bigger display and more polyphony hopefully being early changes. Great presentation SC...
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Thanks, yeah polyphony on Pigments is 8 ... but like I showed you can double up to 16 by using 2 parts. I wonder if it would be possible for it to default to 16 if using a single part. I think this hits the spot where folks don't want the hassle of laptop and controller etc. I see it as an extension of the studio for live work. Upload all the sounds you need to this and leave the cables behind.
@maccagrabme 3 ай бұрын
If the put the whole V collection in one of their controller keyboards and had a hdmi out or Bluetooth so you could edit visually then I'd be up for it.
@JayTheLane 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarrI think Pigments goes up to 32 when it comes to polyphony.
@mcal27 3 ай бұрын
Kudos for the Space 1999 reference. My all time favourite show. Was hoping you were gonna try playing the season 1 theme!? :)
@JumboDubby 3 ай бұрын
Super impressive keyboard! I wish all of the brands implementing Scale Mode would make it controllable by MIDI!
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
Huh? You don't make sense. MIDI 1.0? that's a System Exclusive. It's not a bus protocol. Most companies ARE making it controllable over the Universal Serial Bus protocol and their associated software. MIDI 2.0 is almost out (practically already here) and it will have more universal commands between gear. But what are you exactly suggesting?
@tattooguy413 3 ай бұрын
Oddly, I’d probably go for something like this if it was 4 octaves instead of 5.. and a bit less expensive (especially considering you’d be enticed to buy vst collections), just for something different than my pure synth collection (Matriarch, Sub37, Trigon6, and Hydrasynth Keys) Sounds great Like the clean aesthetic too Nice vid my friend :) Cheers
@sonarfreq 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for clarifying polyphony within a SPLIT... I was curious if you got the full possible polyphony with each LAYER/SPLIT instrument. 👍 Might have been good to see the maximum polyphony for each instrument appear on the screen as you select a preset... under the preset title perhaps, near the CPU processing figure?
@ManCalledMif 3 ай бұрын
Impressive
@jean-fabricevernet8947 3 ай бұрын
The cat is totally unimpressed with the general Astrolab space keyboard. After all he has access to all those actual vintage synths in that room.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
He's only impressed when I open a tin of tuna.
@wonderwheel80s 3 ай бұрын
The "Flying Violins" patch is from "Flying ", a not so famous tune you can find in the "Magical Mystery Tour" album, a blues instrumental. One of the very few credited to all four of them, by the way.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Cool nice info
@zemertz 3 ай бұрын
Feels like this might work nice in a pedal format given theres only a few knobs, something that looks like analog v design views, would love pigments as a hardware synth to do some sound design but i use a touch screen already to make it more tactile, i guess for stage musicians might be interesting
@H3liosphan 3 ай бұрын
Pretty awesome thing, curious how they embedded the instruments into this thing if they normally run on a Full PC / Mac, but for that price I'd expect it to come with the V Collection too, or at least Pigments. Does it even come with Analog Lab Pro??
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
Their site says no. But I find it interesting it doesn't even have as many sound engines as the MicroFreak lol
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
It comes with Analog Lab Pro but not V Collection. It's got sounds from that, the Augmented series, Pigments and a sampler (for preset mellotron stuff etc). As I said in the video I think it would be nice if it could be used as a dongle so you have access to edit all those tones if you've got the synth. Maybe a v complex licensing/technical nightmare. But I think perhaps the intended users aren't that bothered about tweaking - there must be 1,000 pad tones in Analog Lab, 1,000 pianos/electric pianos, 500 organs, 1,00 bases etc.. so you'll definitely find something that suits without editing. You can edit the macros and the FX to suit your track using Analog Lab.
@mantravision69 3 ай бұрын
I was tempted to buy an ASM Hydrasynth and bought a copy of Pigments instead and got a Sledge 2.0 as a stage workhorse. If I didn't already have that cool looking beast, this would be very tempting. Especially if they did a black one with reverse colour keys!!
@Matthew-pq3us 3 ай бұрын
Does it have the Access virus TI built in looks like it has everything other synth built in it
@loweroctaves 3 ай бұрын
As a daily arturia user i really feel this is a huge miss especially at the price point. I mean you could get a mac mini with the entire v collection and a midi controller with endless possibilities where this seems like a preset machine for who??? I mean aren’t live players like this looking for ck88’s or nord leads?
@daniel_dumile 3 ай бұрын
I just looked, $2000 for this?? 😂 Dont look to gear tubers for honesty. This is for synth nerds with poor financial self control. And I say that as a huge Arturia fan who has a few of their products in my main set up
@daniel_dumile 3 ай бұрын
Actually on second thought I don't think any synth nerd would touch this given its basically a preset box, so I guess maybe amateur bands with a keyboard player who spends all their time in a DAW and wants to pretend they are playing live? Or something
@Marco-ek8wu 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I agree with you. I’m a big fan of Arturia but wtf is this and who’s going to buy it. I was hoping for a groove box, something portable that connects with their plug ins. It’s like a lot of the large music companies they have certain artists steering them in the wrong direction.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
After giving it a lot of thought, and wondering who this was aimed at I had a lightbulb moment. A friend's daughter was asking advice on a synth for her band a few weeks ago. She just wanted something with great sounds, but hasn't got a clue about programming (and no interest). She wanted something quality and no fuss that would sound great. She bought a mid-priced Roland. Although more expensive this would defo have been one her radar. I think us synth-heads are in a bit of a bubble - we know and love Arturia for the V Collection, Microfreak, Polybrute etc.. .all very synth nerd focussed, complex and hands on. But there may be an untapped market for those not interested in tweaking, more in playing (with both hands, not with one on the filter).
@maccagrabme 3 ай бұрын
This would be the ultimate home keyboard for someone who wanted great bread and butter sounds but also wanted to toy around with synth sounds without getting too technical. Maybe it would benefit from some preset backing tracks to play along to.
@kadiummusic 3 ай бұрын
Just a shame they didn't include a Morphee like on the Polybrute, even if it only did cross-fades. It would allow Polybrute patches to be enjoyed fully. 😎
@hillblocksview 3 ай бұрын
Great review, quick question, isn't there a home button we can press if lost in all the menus and sounds?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Yes - shift + back
@SuperGinkgo 3 ай бұрын
Nice piece of kit, though when you already own Analog Lab 5/Pro etc and Pigments, does it present the same value?? As I am under the impression this is bundled with those... so I think in my situation I would be better off with a Keylab 88? or even a nice fatar synth ie Hydra etc (I hv a Keystep 37). Bends my head all this lol. Also first time I have noticed your cat!! Whats she called? 🖖👍
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I think this is aimed at people who want to simplify their gigging rig but have access to the V Collection/Pigments/Augmented quality tones. A preset machine with the highest quality tones. BUT.. if you're a tweaker, you probably have or are thinking of getting a license for those anyway. If you need to tweak you can, but if not there's so many tones available you'll be covered. Ive got 2 cats - one male, one female (both neutered btw... I'm not insane!!) This one is Sala, he's the male - a savannah/begal mix - folks round the corner had a couple they didn't manage to keep apart! the other is Subah, and she's bengal (not pedigree). We went with these breeds as they're great fun with the kids. Like mini dogs almost. Sala is our guard cat. He sits outside the house checking out everyone that comes/goes or walks past. He runs up to welcome you then goes back to guard duty! He obviously had a busy night.
@synthsamuraiproductions 3 ай бұрын
Impressive Keyboard
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
Go away buddy, you're not welcome here. Boooooooooo 😅
@synthsamuraiproductions 3 ай бұрын
@@ET2carbon 💖
@Bashanvibe 3 ай бұрын
After been following them since this dropped idk if I will be able to use this board for gig purposes because of the screen and it doesn’t have faders like it’s big brother!!!
@erikavery1105 3 ай бұрын
I'd have this as the counterpoint/addition to my Analog setup.
@marcom. 3 ай бұрын
I own the V-Collection and this keyboard could really be a nice hardware counterpart - if it would be as seamlessly integrated as you talked about. I think we will see an update from Arturia addressing this.
@ManCalledMif 3 ай бұрын
10:54 the polyphony count is an important point as it is bitimbral. Probably plenty
@cresshead 3 ай бұрын
1300 presets divided up over 27 emulations so around 48 presets per virtual instrument
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
yeah, that doesn't sound a lot, but its quite overwhelming at first! I think they've put a huge selection of tones in the machine to start you off... but placing all 7,000 from Analog Lab would be far too confusing. So if there are sounds missing etc you create your own playlist (sound bank) and drop what you need into the synth from the software as and when.
@LiftedNoise 3 ай бұрын
can that looper layer other sounds on top or is it just for a single sound?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
It’s a MIDI player. So just a single sound. I’ve not tried playing 2 parts, one on this and another live yet.
@jeffblack5024 3 ай бұрын
I was thinking 'this sounds great', but as a V Collection owner, I can already have this with a midi keyboard and a laptop. But I get why an Ikea keyboard would be attractive for live work. One day someone is going to bring out some VST-based keyboard that does all this and does it as well as the Roland System 8. By this, I mean lots of knobs that change function with each synth. If this already exists, please point me to it.
@amindamok 3 ай бұрын
They probably left off a proper sequencer because they sell the great keystep and beatstep devices which would pair quite well with this. Especially in a live situation. Also, I fell like this is an amazing tool to pair with a sampler. Astrolab + Beatstep Pro + 404 MkII or similar would be a great time for a dawless setup
@harpmanmachine 3 ай бұрын
I’m not a gigging musician so as a home Keyboard this is ideal ….who wants to go on a computer when you’ve got some hardware to play around with. I’ve had synths with loads of knobs for my sound designing… sometimes you just want to play and have fun. Just wish they made them more portable maybe 49 key with speakers ….now that would be great. I’m seriously considering buying it just gotta find the space.
@SpeccyMan 3 ай бұрын
No mention of the accompanying app and its wi-fi connectivity?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Yes, I show it working with the iPhone at the start
@issiewizzie 3 ай бұрын
moonbase alpha ...That series used to scare me as a kid
@djscratchdog 3 ай бұрын
It’s nice but I would have loved it more if they would have put a giant touch screen on the blank space to your left. Plenty of room for it .. Maybe the next revision?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I’d have liked more sliders there. I wonder how it’ll sell and if they’ll update one day.
@larsuk9578 3 ай бұрын
Most stage keyboards have very few sliders (unless for drawbar emulations) My Kurzweil has 8 and I never use them live.
@loudspider316 3 ай бұрын
"Airport Voices" sounds like it's from the end sequence from Heat.
@Vim-Wolf 3 ай бұрын
Thoughts: - Nice sound - Good for gigging - Sample player rather than an actual synth (I may be wrong) - Painful to watch my physical synths going through on the display - I like the user interface & display, friendlier than a lot of similar gear - 88-Key version would be nice but I suspect the price would be ouchy - Must have a heck of a processor in it, the big brands could learn from this - If they're aiming at the workstation market it should be properly multitimbral
@Dooblecaine 3 ай бұрын
It doesn't seem to be playing samples outside of the sound engines that are oriented around samples. that's why it shows you in the video around 10:50 in there are limitations to polyphony based on the sound engine selected.
@pheotus 3 ай бұрын
Oooooooo I like
@ryanhursh6322 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous though I’d prefer it in black. Just seems too expensive considering I already own Pigments and V Collection, so it’s a 1500 for a midi controller except standalone. Build looks great, I’d maybe pay 1k for it if it feels as good as it looks. I’m also a bit disappointed at the lack of knobs. I don’t know… can’t nail down how I feel about it.
@AnomieDomine 3 ай бұрын
They need to discount for people who own the software, otherwise it's a joke. Why would you lock into presets on these with expensive hardware that has huge limits?
@Wolfbabypuppylove 3 ай бұрын
Turn the temperature up on the nest controller.
@jonathanzeppa2824 3 ай бұрын
Did they just put a Nest Thermostat on that Keyboard?
@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 3 ай бұрын
All of these famous artists that are listed such as Genesis, Pink Floyd, Duran Duran, etc. Are they included in Analog Lab, included in this keyboard or did you load them from some other sound libraries? Are splits limited to just two? Is there an audio interface included with the keyboard?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Yes, yes, and I’m not sure. You can Bluetooth your phone to it to play over the monitors, but I’ve not tried it as an audio interface. I
@rickmorty4921 3 ай бұрын
It is pług and play or I have to buy program first and download everything in to arturia?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Its plug and play.
@oupahens9219 3 ай бұрын
I take it, that with this piece of equipment, there is no latency anymore between hitting a key and sound evolving. Like in the good old days of analog and DX7.
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
Latency in what? Good òl days? Are you saying there's been latency in gear for the last 40 years? You confusing bro
@oupahens9219 3 ай бұрын
@@ET2carbon No, like in computer based VST's. There was no latency with the DX7 at all. Dude.
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
@@oupahens9219 what delay is in virtual instruments? Your VST instruments have delay? Are you using a sample library like kontakt? Your virtual synths shouldn't have any noticable latency. Are you using USB 1.0? You on a Pentium 4 Windows 2000 NT? LOL
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
There's a max 7ms as far as I can tell.
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr do a test. Show this dude the pudding man . Get your phone on a stand and aim at your keybed in your highest frame rate and compare the delay from keystroke to registering audio blip impulse on the recorded video and find out the math where you deduct the speed of sound compared to the frames blah blah blah 😭😔 😂😂😂😆😆 Get outta here
@enochroot9438 3 ай бұрын
looks like he was enjoying playing the artists presets so much that we almost lost Starsky down a Beatles nostalgia rabbit hole for a moment...the little furry in the background seemed to be enjoying it too
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I actually disappeared down and Air rabbit hole the day before .. hence the video not coming out when all the others did!
@andretmadrid 3 ай бұрын
That smartwatch-like dial is a shame: we need a bigger one. And there's enough room for drum pads. The price is very high compared to the competition.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I went back and forth on this myself.. bigger screen, touchscreen, more editing etc... that was until I spent enough time with it to 'get it'. Even without a V Collection license there are so many sounds in Analog Lab that will have you covered, and there are so many players that are just that - players not programmers. I think about my kids' friends and my friend's kids.. they're not into programming sounds... that's for old geeks! they're just into playing the tracks.
@timdanyo898 3 ай бұрын
More control knobs would have been incredible. Seems like that open area to the left could have been a knob farm. Ahh well..
@wout123100 Ай бұрын
i am glad they didnt.
@eugeneport1748 3 ай бұрын
This would be perfect if it had the entire V Collection loaded, without having to connect to computer.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I did think about that ... but then it would need a larger screen, more controls etc. so I think they've seen a gap in the market for high quality sounds based on the classics (a no compromise sound engine) but limited controls. Not everyone can or wants to program tones.
@maccagrabme 3 ай бұрын
If it can run analoglab which is effectively an amalgamation of the vst collection then why couldnt they include the whole suite?
@AnomieDomine 3 ай бұрын
To me this is a midway gap like a rompler... Five years and it will be there or they are out of business
@aseomg 3 ай бұрын
Its tilting to the right...oh wait, the keyboard is missing controls on the left! Arturia V Collection has the same sound engine as a $199 keyboard. So who is paying 8x more to get the Astrolab?
@oupahens9219 3 ай бұрын
I do like: Where's Wally. Been there, but that was b4 the Prophet 5. It was in 1971 at Weeley.
@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512 3 ай бұрын
Looks great....but why that stupidly tiny screen?
@Dr-Stu 3 ай бұрын
Cut them some slack they're French
@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512 3 ай бұрын
@@Dr-Stu What on Earth has their nationality got to do with anything?
@Dr-Stu 3 ай бұрын
@@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512 they do odd artsy shit and you can accept it or "Va te faire foutre", its in their DNA
@larsuk9578 3 ай бұрын
Most stage keyboards have small screens as the focus is on playing vs editing or sequencing. Look at Nord or Yamaha CP, small black and white screens.
@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512 3 ай бұрын
@@larsuk9578 I understand your comparison but it still makes no actual sense to design the primary source of information hard to see! By Arturia perpetuating the little screen format it is missing the opportunity of putting right a conceptual wrong. Screens should be large-ish, but the information displayed on them at any one time should be limited/restricted so as not to confuse or overload the player's senses. Logical!
@jumpingman8160 3 ай бұрын
So it's a preset playing keyboard like... any other stage piano, except with less hands on control and it reads only Arturia (limited) presets. Don't really see the appeal, even for a stage keyboard. What prevents people from hooking up a MiDI kb to a laptop with Arturia's own vsts or others?
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
some of us use V Collection, Pigments and more, for many years, and have many patches we created; and don't like to bring a computer and audio interface for live use. My main stage rig is either a Hammond SKx (with or without the 25-note pedals) or a Vox Continental with a second MIDI keyboard; I use my Korg MiniLogue for synths when possible because it's fast and easy to set up. A laptop, audio interface and MIDI keyboard is not as quick to setup/tear down when you have to get on and off stage as quickly as possible. I purchased an AstroLab today; as soon as I heard about it.
@jumpingman8160 3 ай бұрын
@@zoomzoom3950 yet it's just a preset reader. I'd rather a Kurzweil
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
@@jumpingman8160 which is what some of us want. Enjoy your Kurzweil.
@Dooblecaine 3 ай бұрын
@@zoomzoom3950 Right. This Astrolab is meant more for performers/players, not programmers.
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
@@Dooblecaine agreed! Exactly why I ordered one.
@charliobrown3960 3 ай бұрын
arturia vst are something to have fun, nothing far from that
@ponyplague2801 3 ай бұрын
The gaping void on the unit's left seems like someone forgot the touch screen
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
It would be nice if it had some extra controls on there.
@larsuk9578 3 ай бұрын
Well as a live player, having space on the keyboard is also nice to fit an iPad or effect box… I wish mine had less controls that I don’t use and more space.
@robdela3632 3 ай бұрын
Do you get full control over v lab synths?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
only if you have a v collection license
@pheotus 3 ай бұрын
ACann you edit all the parameters on the keyboard
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
No, you need to use the bundled Analog Lab Pro software, and then you'll need the license for V Collection.
@pheotus 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr so all that wasted space on the left. Too bad really this could have been a game changer
@odmusicman 3 ай бұрын
It doesn't look like it has search capability to look for presets on the synth.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
No, the amount of presets is impressive but you’ll have to organise them to use live probably.
@SWATTECHNOLOGIES 3 ай бұрын
Yikes
@odmusicman 3 ай бұрын
I asked because I am in the market for a 61-73 key synth with sounds controller capabilities and wide range sound set capabilities. I am aiming to get the MODX7+, then when I compared one to one with this synth there was too much back and forth between the synth and Analog Lab and the lack of the ability to search my sounds is horrible. Finally, MODX has a beautiful touch screen and its easy to move high quality editable sounds around. There is a running discount on the MODX7+ until 6/30/24 for $1,500. It's a steal. Thanks for your review Mr. Carr. @@SWATTECHNOLOGIES
@glenncoomans8284 3 ай бұрын
Wish you went more in the artist presets
@xiaoxia5 2 ай бұрын
that feature is sort of lackluster. some artists only have a few sounds to play with. for example, there's only 3 Tribute Tones for the band Rush. i didn't get to play with the sounds, but i scrolled through the whole list, and clicked on all of them just to see how many sounds in general were associated with the artist. on average, it was about three sounds. some had a little more, some had less.
@scott21113 3 ай бұрын
So do you spend $2,000 USD and another $600 for Analog Lab to be able to substantially edit the presets or is Analog Lab V X included?
@framlucasse 3 ай бұрын
Not included.
@Dooblecaine 3 ай бұрын
@@framlucasse Analog Lab is included according to the arturia website. Maybe you're thinking of V Collection which is separate and not included.
@scott21113 3 ай бұрын
Too rich for my blood.
@arcticfoxstudios2018 3 ай бұрын
Looks like Arturia enters the fray against Korg, Yamaha and Roland for workstation type keyboards. Nice. Love the sleek look of this, but they need a 70+ key version.
@soundfx68 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps, I thought it was more a Komplete Kontrol competitor. EDIT: Didn't realise the sounds were onboard!
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
It actually looks more like Komplete Kontrol
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
@@soundfx68hey I just Said that lol
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
@@soundfx68 the site Even says it's NKS compatible
@ET2carbon 3 ай бұрын
Actually, a MPE isomorphic key layout would put it in the lead for the future.
@ManCalledMif 3 ай бұрын
Mpc keys VS this… 😮
@stoatystoat174 3 ай бұрын
:)
@stefpir 3 ай бұрын
Damn...let's sale all synths 😂
@100ThingsIDo 3 ай бұрын
1999 made me click..... SiFi future of the 70's is best SiFi future :D
@chrisalluna6733 3 ай бұрын
"piano" version later? ala keylab 88?
@Dooblecaine 3 ай бұрын
There was a hardware certification site listing an 88 and a mini also. Not sure where those are or if they are still coming.
@chrisalluna6733 3 ай бұрын
@@Dooblecaine thnx
@sturdyblock 3 ай бұрын
Second hand Polybrutes can be had for $1,599. Arturia's marketing department need to lay off the pipe. I wonder if a teardown will reveal Raspberry Pi 5 internals.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
So t tell me that I thought my PN was worth more! It’s a bit heavy to be holding Raspberry Pis in there.. unless they’re tricking us with a lump of iron!
@Bigger-Circuitry-Bigger-SOUND 3 ай бұрын
WIRED CHOICES! They had the opportunity to completely disrupt the market, if they would have done : 1. A hardware with big touch responsive screen and many controls like IRIDIUM 2. All Arturia V collection inside + multi-sampling 4. 4 or 8 Part Multi Timbral with separate outouts 5. 16 analog filters/VCA in the final stage (the prophet VS cem 3389 filter is back in production is cheap and it sound phenomenal), this would have been a Prophet X in steroids BOOM than ask how much you want, that would have been 1 SYNTH to RULE THEM ALL 🤷♂️ Tho great as an interior design object””😅
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
...which would cost more than a Genos2 😁
@cmddelete2169 3 ай бұрын
Marketplace with a keyboard attached.
@0richbike 3 ай бұрын
So a bunch of vst presets contolled by a nest thermostat. Im sure they'll shift some to le keystep fanbois;-)
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I think this is for a different market... not so much synth heads, more music heads. I see this in my kids friends, they want to play the tracks but couldn't be less bothered about how to create the tone. Possibly a big untapped market (although whether those people have the cash to splash is yet to be seen).
@kbarrett97 3 ай бұрын
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE ARTURIA ORIGIN ? watch?v=cLdrGDAIM1M
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
haha yep..
@djdarksidejungle559 3 ай бұрын
its not a vst in a box its just the patch playback to be honest my opinion if this keyboard is that its a solution looking for a problem to solve and the problem it tries to solve isnt a problem that needs solving and its a dud now if you could install the vst as in you put the vst and its fully programmable and editable and could make sounds from scratch then it would be awesome and would solve the problem that its set out to solve but as it stands its a solution looking for a problem to solve and it doesnt solve the problem that its trying to find
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Whoa there .. take a breath. 😀 I’ve just made a re-review considering the comments and I was planning on reading this quickly in a single breath but couldn’t 😂
@djdarksidejungle559 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr yeah i hear you i justtype fast and unfortunately never bother reading it but you can see my point though about that it would be ok if you could install the vst like you can with roland cloud and plugin thing like you can on the system 8 or the duff jupiter xs if they had done that then i think it would be a winner and from waht im seeing is it even possible to add or delete new patches from the vst or is it just ya got what ya getting and thats it
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
@@djdarksidejungle559 I totally get what you're saying. My initial thoughts were along the same lines... which is why I was going to use it. :) I just put a few short quotes up in the end.
@djdarksidejungle559 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr all you can do really and see how it fit into your workflow and whether its a dud or not
@supercompooper 3 ай бұрын
If I had to buy that thing and look at it I would get so angry just looking at it
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
whats wrong with retro future thermostat cool :)
@supercompooper 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr I think the fact that nobody stopped this nest thermostat from coming out and nobody could actually speak up at the company and just speak the obvious simple truths here suggests that the culture at the company is probably really messed up. I mean you really have to not care at all to let your company release something like this.
@Dooblecaine 3 ай бұрын
@@supercompooper The French tend to have ..interesting.. design aesthetics. So it was probably really popular over there.
@supercompooper 3 ай бұрын
@@Dooblecaine on one level I kind of want to like it. I mean I really do like my nest thermostat, but it is super fiddly to try to actually access menus and things so the logic of it all really should have been stopped early. It's such a small s***** screen.
@thirstyCactus 3 ай бұрын
Arturia couldn't be arsed to include MIDI thru or internal PSU on their flagship hardware...
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I think their flagship is the wonderful PolyBrute, but get your point. It's rare to get internal PSUs, and I think a lot has to do with complications with interference and noise. So external is just so much easier and cheaper.
@thirstyCactus 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr Right. There is just something reassuring about proper IEC mains cord versus the skinny lavalier mic cable used for power delivery. Maybe more of an aesthetic complaint these days.
@SamLowryDZ-015 3 ай бұрын
To buy or not to buy? Human Decision Required.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
🌕🌖🌗🌘🌑🌒🌓🌔
@alancalvitti 3 ай бұрын
-1 not calling out cheesedk external psu, proprietary no less
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I do 🤷♂️watch again.
@user82938 3 ай бұрын
I don't see how they can get away with using the band names.
@zoomzoom3950 3 ай бұрын
They paid for it.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
I don't think there are any legal issue using band names. You can create a tone and call it 'Depeche Mode' bass, it's simply a descriptor, not a copyright infringement (sampling their tones would be different). 'Beatles style drums', 'Aphex Pads' ... etc I'm certain thats all OK.
@oupahens9219 3 ай бұрын
Polyphonic aftertouch, or not. Very confusing. Not a necessary iron in the laundry.
@klstay 3 ай бұрын
Certainly not aimed at studio work where you would just use VCX in your DAW with control surface(s) of your choice. What gigging pro would take this over an admittedly more costly, but more focused board covering your touring set? That leaves someone who plays live, but not professionally and cannot justify pro touring kit. Not sure how many of those there are, but we shall see...
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Could be an untapped market for the who don't want to program but want access to top notch tones.
@klstay 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr if in the studio this makes Analog Lab use LESS convenient; double so for VCX users. If gigging the mediocre at best keybed will be hard to ignore. Live the only things you care about are a top flight keybed, mod/pitch where expected, your needed number of foot inputs, and the button to move you through song programs with "good enough for live" sounds.
@thebadterrorists5323 3 ай бұрын
7,000 things to do with a rotating bezel.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Haha… a new series.
@gabrielegelfofx 3 ай бұрын
The sound is too digital for me. Probably the hardware uses cheap dacs or a very low samplerate/bit depth. It's a shame not having usb audio in-out, this keyboard has a pc inside.
@23bit76 3 ай бұрын
Why is it a shame no usb if it sounds too digital for you ?
@JayTheLane 3 ай бұрын
Moon Base Alpha.. Lol... Showing your age there lad 😂
@RoyChartier 3 ай бұрын
I'd rather have an Eagle or Maya.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
haha... took me a while.. but we could all do with a Maya
@aresoltero 3 ай бұрын
It's a synth? NO It's a controller? NOPE It's a studio production tool? NIET It's a versatile Live Gig tool like Nords are ? NEIN! It's a Hands On plug-out keyboard like System-8? NAAAHH It's a Workstation like MPC Keys or Fantom is? NOPINOPINO! Has some of the best pianos? No it hasn't Has some of the best Rhodes and Organs? They're descent though you can't really control them. It's a CS80, a Juno or a Synclavier? Not really. You can't edit them from the board. It's a good looking, hipster, synth based rompler without natural and orchestral sounds? YES IT IS WHY?
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
😂 Starbucks seem to have done ok on the back of hipster coffee shops. I still think there could be an untapped market for a hipster synth without orchestral sounds. It’s definitely a gamble. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.
@newtronix 3 ай бұрын
Just get a Roland Integra 7 instead. Much cheaper.
@StarskyCarr 3 ай бұрын
Yeah but no thermostat 😂
@newtronix 3 ай бұрын
@@StarskyCarr ah yes but it has motional surround! 😝
@blueraystudios 3 ай бұрын
Tiny screen which you have to push, no sliders, only 61 keys, no built-in power supply, 1600 euros? No thanks.
@Station2Station-du2gh 3 ай бұрын
Astrolab - a $2,000 USD studio solution for a problem that doesn't exist. Anyone that would buy this already has a MIDI keyboard and a computer.
@ivanskunov9166 3 ай бұрын
I don't understand who this white steamer is for. As a life performer in dance parties, I would need an instrument with at least four multi-timbres.Yes, I play without using a laptop.That's my thing.But such a yacht is not relevant to me.And more.The black keys are just terrible for such an expensive instrument. Arturia was cheap.
@christianthompson1473 3 ай бұрын
What a disappointment. Nothing here for anyone. The answer to a question no-one is asking. 😢 It needs a massive touch screen and loads of continuous rotaries with mini screens under them and the whole v collection on board.😊
@AnomieDomine 3 ай бұрын
This is a joke with the current prices of screens ... it's not like this is a car or has a ten year support contract
@roseutterback5755 3 ай бұрын
it is sooooo ugly uhhhhh why the frosty creamy white and the latency is super high and will increase over time I suspect like most Arturia products eventually making it unplayable in a live situation
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