It never ceases to amaze me how 4 guys can spitball better ideas than a whole paid writing room in 3 hours.

There might be people who unsubscribe because you choose to talk with Mauler and Drinker, but I subbed once you guys started StarGrift Mondays

I have no idea how you continue to hold hope for Star Wars, Theory. I'm not mad at you. I'm just amazed.

I'm impressed! These guys have critized you for being too soft on Star Wars, but instead of getting offended, you're willing to still talk with them. You don't see that often on the internet.

I'm so glad to see these guys coming together. Gotta remember that this growing disdain for Star Wars only exists because of how much we love what it used to be.

Timestamps 2:00 - Lucasfilm announcements / The Mandalorian movie 5:49 - Ideas for the Mando movie / The problem with Grogu 10:51 - What Mando S1 should've been / Mando S2 / Ideas for the Mando movie (cont.) 14:30 - Mando S4 might be the Mando movie? / Thrawn / Ahsoka S2 / Predicting Lucasfilm's next move 18:20 - The Book of Boba Fett S2 / Omega / How Lucasfilm design stories 20:14 - Ryan's thoughts on Ahsoka S1 / Ahsoka S2 / Ahsoka's character direction 25:32 - The World Between Worlds scene / Ahsoka's depiction in Ahsoka S1 28:15 - Baylan's scene with Ahsoka / Ray Stevenson 29:46 - Can Lucasfilm turn this around? / The damage to legacy characters 34:19 - What can Lucasfilm do? / The culture in Lucasfilm 37:15 - The sequel trilogy 39:39 - Sympathy for Mark Hamill / Marvel 41:42 - Past ST theories / Past Rise of Skywalker predictions 44:01 - The regression of Han Solo / Obi-Wan 47:01 - Kenobi S1 / Production value 48:25 - "if you dont get rid of mauler and ryan me and a handful of others will unsubscribe" 50:14 - Andor S1 52:23 - Focusing more on standalone stories 54:49 - Mando S3 / Watchparties 59:52 -> _VonRuhm hops in_ / Mando S3 (cont.) / A DEI check on scripts / Lucasfilm checking up on SW discourse and creators 1:07:40 -> _Von leaves_ / Pedro Pascal 1:09:33 - The rumored What If SW series 1:12:58 - Mando S1 1:14:46 - "Was Luke in character in the Mando S2 finale?" 1:19:30 - Past Snoke theories / What it's like finding good elements in the ST / The Rey movie / The choreographer in the Rey movie 1:22:52 - Rey robbing from Luke's legacy 1:24:45 -> _Ryan leaves_ / Welcome to Open Bar! # # # # # {Superchat Catchup} 1:27:21 - _Start_ / Andor S2 / Saw / Being too negative about SW? 1:29:41 - Fixing the ST through TV eps 1:30:59 - Nerdonymous' video on The Force Awakens' production / MauLer's influences 1:34:29 - Disney won't kill Grogu 1:36:25 - Mando idea / Grace Randolph 1:40:06 - Drinker as a host for Star Grift? / "Grogu should've been killed during Order 66" / Suggesting a Star Wars watch order 1:42:40 - Grogu jumping in Mando S3 1:44:40 - Nerdonymous / Takashi Yamazaki wanting to direct a SW movie 1:47:10 - Mando's Naboo fighter / MauLer's free reign with SW 1:49:13 - Dave Filoni / "90% of SW movie/ show posters centers a white male(s) which proves the point against yours" 1:52:33 - The Rey movie (cont.) 1:54:05 - Lucasfilm announcements (cont.) / Tourists and activists in fan bases 1:57:56 -> _Drinker leaves_ 1:59:23 - "Plot points for children don't really work in live action" / The Lando series / "Have you watched MauLer's Ahsoka video?" 2:01:42 - James Gunn's Superman movie / "How do you know that George wanted Ahsoka to die?" 2:04:12 - Happy Misogyny Mondays! / Brie Larson on Wrinkle in Time / TheoTTree on Star Grift? / An Obi-Wan and Anakin movie? 2:07:09 - Understanding the underlying culture and philosophy that captured our institutions 2:09:58 - "What kind of story would you tell if Rey was the villain in the new movie?" / "They should adapt the EU books on the Yuhzan Yong invasion" 2:12:15 - "What lightsaber color would you choose?" / Darth Vader and the Lost Command / A show about Imperial intelligence? 2:14:15 - Disney SW lacking space battles? / Yuri Bezmenov / "I can't believe people prefer 2003 CW over 2008 CW" 2:16:22 - The 501st journal in OG Battlefront 2 / "Hi, I'm gay Michael Douglas and I like SW" / "Fav pod and racer?" 2:19:07 - Some advice starting a small SW review page / IG-88's Legends story / Heir to the Empire by JarJar Jargon 2:21:06 - Luke's depiction in Mando S2 finale / "Disney fails at characters and worldbuilding" / "Did SW really need to come back at all?" 2:23:28 - "What if Qui-Gon didn't cheat Watto out of Anakin?" / "How many Midichlorians does Kylo Ren have?" 2:25:35 - Kicking out Gina from FanExpo Vancouver / Gareth Edwards 2:27:07 - "Thoughts on New Rockstars?" / Nerdonymous on Rian's mistakes / A movie that explains how the Balkan spies got the plans for the 2nd Death Star? 2:29:43 - Using SW as a platform to push agendas / Internet hate 2:33:45 - "SW needs to stop" / "People working in Lucasfim afraid to speak up" / Obi-Wan's hilt 2:35:39 - Echo fight scene / "What if Grogu turns to the Dark Side?" / The hyper fixation on gender 2:38:15 - "Do an Unforgiven but with SW" / "Isn't Ahsoka dead in the ST?" / Drinker's novels 2:40:35 - "SW is made for boys" / Theory's resting sad face 2:42:44 - Updates on the Snips zip up? / "Thought on Abeloth being added to canon?" 2:44:24 - Sha'Gi, the Legendary Padawan / "Which other company should own SW?" / "Not sure why Palpi thinks Luke will be evil if he kills him" 2:46:27 - Reading Heart of the Jedi? / "Why didn't George sell SW to Warner Bros?" 2:48:43 - People planning to **** Nerdrotic (Gary) 2:52:17 - "Which will be worse: The Rey trilogy or the next 2 Avengers films?" / "Activists create hate threads/ echo chambers" / Inserting good messages in stories 2:55:30 - "Andor's quality writing but lacking care for lore" / 2:58:09 - "Make Tombstone in space for the Mando movie" / "Darth Binks in the Rey movie" / Theory planning to hang out with Steve Oedekerk (Creator of Jimmy Neutron) / "Best powerlifter in SW?" 3:01:11 - What's a part of England you shouldn't go to? 3:03:43 - DEI movies 3:05:02 - Closing

I don’t often watch 3 hour episodes on KZfaq….but I will with these four guys together! 🍻

Star Grift is already the best damn Star Wars podcast we've ever had. Love this

Excellent Vlog as always. I can see it hurts when some people hit on you about loving Star Wars and you only want it to be fixed like so many of us. I have said this tons of times, my brother worked for Disney not Lucasfilm but Disney from 2015-22 as a Graphic Designer and left in the end cause of the politics that had crept into the work environment and I can remember him telling me “you raised one eyebrow about TFA wait till you see TLJ” and he right. He said he would sit in meetings and see it change over the years and remember him telling me “they don’t care how much it costs, people will eventually come around to there politics and agendas, even when it was pointed out the money they WILL lose”. Even now when I speak to him he says They had a massive push for more diversity in employees and it just changed from having fun to agenda, agenda. Unfortunately I just don’t think Star Wars will ever get fixed. Keep up the great work 👍👍👍

"He's a 50 year old baby, it's dumb, kill him" Well, Ryan, I'll have you know, Dave Filoni is only 49

Love seeing Drinker and Theory on the same stream.

I'm liking this guy on the bottom right and his perspective on Ahsoka

Drinker is sooo right. The worst thing about geek culture is that it went mainstream. Fake people who just want money come in. Corporatized everytime anything goes mainstream. Games now too. I’ve been told in the past over and over that the more people that consume a thing, the better. What..ever.. I feel like they’re correlating making money with it being good.

Pablo Hidalgo had no idea what he would create by mocking Theory and driving him into the arms of Fandom Menace. I hope he and his bosses are proud of that

What a great group of people. Great chemistry on this episode. This is reason TO subscribe, not unsubscribe.

I am once again asking for a Theory/Ryan podcast where they discuss/debate EU stuff.

I've liked Ahsoka for years and she had an incredible journey in TCW. But I'm starting to feel like Rebels should've been her final journey and should've died during her confrontation with Darth Vader. It may be tragic, but it still would've better supported the overall story and give her a proper send off. But instead, Dave Filoni simply couldn't let her die and had to use time travel to bring her back. Now, Ahsoka has officially become a fan fiction character where she's been shoehorned in several places she didn't belong, and was resurrected not once, not twice, but three time's. Hate to say it, but the Ahsoka show did no favors for her at all. They did nothing interesting with her after Rebels other than butchering another legacy character that Disney has a habit of doing. Rosario Dawson's acting has been incredibly wooden throughout the entire show, her stoicism comes across as complete emotional disengagement which is not what you want from a main character. After all, If the hero acts like she doesn't care half the time, then why should I? I apologize for my long rant, but that's just how I'm feeling about Ahsoka now. Dave Filoni will never let her go.

I love Drinker, need more people who r actually honest about Disney Star Wars

That $5 super chat asking you to get rid of your friends that will bring you a lot more than $5 in views was hilarious.

Love having Ryan on the show! But I love all 4 of these channels so this was really cool to see you all together hanging out.

I’m glad SWT is opening up to the EFAP universe, it’s like seeing your favorite superhero join the justice league.

People who unsubscribe because you choose to talk with certain youtubers were never the real fans to begin with. If you cant handle opposing opinions, you don't belong into SW fandom and you're welcome to stay barking on Twitter like the rest of the degeneates. What really matters is speaking the truth and telling it how it is, withiut a care in the world how certain people might respond

I said this before when Star Grift started but I'll say it again, these podcasts are signs of the fandom coming back together. I never thought I'd see SWT doing collabs with people from EFAP, Open-Bar, and FNT because of how vastly different their opinions are, yet here we are! At the end of the day, unless you're a shill, we all are coming to one conclusion; Disney Star Wars is dogshit and is in need of a MASSIVE overhaul.

had worries when josh left...then theory gets mauler on, rk, then drinker. fkn epic, 10x better

It kills me how much I agree with Ryan. But facts are facts.

Ryan and Mauler are my favorite YT's, I found your channel through them and subscribed after your great conversations. Keep up the great work, cheers

I have been watching SW Theory since before I knew of Drinker's existence. I think I started watching around the time when news of sequels came around and we were all excited. Fast forward, things didn't go the way many fans expected and I discovered the critical voices of Drinker and Mauler who rightfully told it how it was . I am so glad that you 3 met together eventually and managed to exchange your opinions in adult and intelligent way. I watched every sequel twice in cinema, hoped for the best etc until I lost interested in SW (bar Andor). The Drinker and Mauler taught me critical thinking and SW Theory built the excitement with his creativity, positivity and hope for the SW culture. I have my own theory on Disney Star Wars. I think Disney see SW as a threat due to it's power of influence on people. They literally used their money to buy and re-shape (read kill) Star Wars and Marvel culture powerhouses. Why do that - you may ask ? Because they are using SW and Marvel to build their own culture and paste it onto the existing fan base. Little did they know, it was not enough to convince people and it's not working well for them. Maybe the new generation is buying it, but the adults and intelligent people don't. I think they are bunch of sick people who think they control the people with money. White slavers - rings any bells?

One of my biggest gripes with Star Wars currently is how much time it is wasting. We have Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, and even Liam Neeson willing, and still young enough to play their characters with maybe a little cgi and some makeup/good lighting. Disney is wasting time to delve further into Obi Wan and Anakin's characters in live action. You could have a series of episodes with Obi Wan and Qui Gon having a conversation that bookends each episode connecting thematically to flashbacks with Obi Wan and Anakin in the time leading up to RoTS. You could connect all the juicy 'Clone Wars' character moments with the live action characters. Giving those who've seen TCW series some good fan service that is more than just key jangling, while giving the fans of Star Wars who've not watched the animated stuff some much needed character information and introspection. tldr: Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor aren't getting any younger. Not making more content with them is Disney throwing a match on a pile of money while smiling like they aren't sinking.

Mauler, slowly unifying the internet one discussion at a time like holy piss XD

These guys should just make a movie together, and if it’s Star Wars ask George Lucas and get his input

1:26:00 My favorite moment in the stream, you guys are great!😂

1:28:32 it’s like Henry Cavill said it best: “they’re not haters because they hate the franchise , they’re haters because they’re passionate about it.”

Finally. The greatest alliance on KZfaq has formed. Everyone that unsubscribes good riddance to bad rubbish.

“What if… Disney never made the sequel trilogy?” That’d be my favorite episode.

So happy to see you 4 together. I already loved Drinker. I have a special place for Theory and MauLer is very smart but I’m starting to love Ryan more and more. He’s so right about how much Dave Filoni sucks. He sucks sooo bad. Ahsoka needed to die.

The cancel pigs may come after you for daring to speak with these guys but I look forward to the fun.

No waaaaay…..Mauler AND Drinker?? 😃😃😃 This is just awesome seeing you guys team up. Like the Avengers lol.

The way Theory does superchats is nearly maddening.

For every bomb that Lucasfilm makes, you need three to four excellent series/movies to repair the damage.

The most based Star Wars podcast on the entire internet.

You and Critical Drinker will go far together. Awesome collaboration.

Ryan is the only here with actual Star Wars knowledge

We welcome you to the fellowship, Theory! You got most of my boys on stream. Good for you.

Theory is in the best of company imo. Quality improvement for sure 🙌🏼💯

The four of you together is perfect! Ryan thank you for calling out Filoni’s writing and ahsoka as a character!!

Really enjoyed the stream guys, shame I wasn't able to watch live. First came across Theory's channel back in 2015, had unsubscribed for a while after the atrocity that was Disney Star Wars as I didn't want to even think about the damage that had been done, and came across Drinker & MauLer's channels around 2020. Been a huge fan of the two ever since, and recently your collaboration with them has prompted me to resubscribe and fall in love with your content again. Looking forward to more going forward, you guys (in addition to Ryan, Nerdrotic, Little Platoon & Az) are my MVPs of the Star Wars space & would love to see some sort of panel with all of you discussing the series. Much love!

The only way to save Star Wars is to pull an X-Men days of Future Past and rehabilitate your OT characters. Just putting it on ice will ultimately do nothing as everyone remembers the awful state Star Wars has been left in.

All respect to the OG Josh, but the addition of Mauler has made this must listen to content.

The collab we desperately needed!

Get drinker and ryan on your streams more! You four make fire together!

Anyone that unsubs or is angry because of a great, passionate discussion like this is NUTS.

As someone who's loved SW Theory, Mauler and Critical drinker this was amazing

LOL 01:33:15 Theory didn't even know how big his guests are.

Drinker hit the nail on the head with his analysis of The Mandolorian and how season was such a success. Disney/LucasFilm has dropped the ball so many times. I wonder why we even bother at all.

one of the best streams i have seen so far . It feels so good too see they all come togheter and create an even bigger comunity!

1:18 anyone else notice how theory takes a drink and sets it down and almost like he passed it, drinker takes a drink? Different vessels but its funny to watch

What a group. Its nice to see you talking openly about how you feel about Star Wars now. We have needed that from the fandom for years. Too long has it been normal to go with what the masses say, to the point where we all thought people liked the sequels. Im glad to see people being honest finally, and realising that the general consensus is that Disney have royally fucked this up.

Finally it’s happened! When I saw Theory doing more stuff with Mauler I was like please let him do a stream with Drinker! I knew that stream would be great if it happened and it was indeed👌🏼💪🏼🥃

1:41:44 I still think the best order is the Machette order (4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6) It preserves the Vader reveal, makes the weird contracitions between the original trilogy make more sense i.e. why Obi-Wan would lie and Luke and Leia being twins, Leia's birth in RotS becomes a Vader-esqu surprise that only builds anticipation leading into RotJ and during it as well since the audience has longer to sit with Leia being Vader's kid and how she could be twisted to the Darkside like we JUST saw Palpatine do to Anakin, "There is another" makes immediate sense to the audience rather than retrospectively, And it solidifies Return of the Jedi as the Come Full Circle conclusion and Finale of the story with full context and a happy ending.

48:00 about unsubscribing was both a funny visual gag and a Based reply from a guy with a strong back

Can't wait to see you one day on Open Bar or EFAP. I love these conversations.

What I hate the most is that these movies where the last time you could bring back the original actors (because they are too old or dead) and they wasted it.

That was a really funny superchat when this is the first episode I'm fully watching because Drinker and Ryan are here.

kudos for not giving in to people trying to dictate who you can stream with. That seems along the lines of a 'friend' trying to decide who you can associate with. I'd be much more likely to dump the friend dictating to me than the one they're trying to remove from my life. Then again, I like Mauler, Ryan and Drinker, so what do I know. For what it's worth you gain me as a subscriber, so maybe that'll help offset those who think they control you.

Star Grift Mondays is a gift

Man if I could subscribe again I would. I think Theory has gotten better because of these guys 🎉

Thank you Mauler for introducing me to Nerdonymous. He only has 3 videos but they are all of impeccable quality.

I wonder what r/saltierthankrayt will have to say about this video. I'd look myself, but they banned me for thinking that Rey isn't the best person to ever touch a lightsaber. Either way, I know a bunch of weirdo sequel fans are gonna try to imply this is somehow a sign of mental illness or something from theory, because they can't accept that this person who they used to like might not agree with them amd was simply being diplomatic in the years that he refrained from criticizing the sequels or Lucasfilm.

The intro is somehow cringe and hilarious at the same time. Love it.

They need to show Grogu grown up a little wearing little mando armor, wielding a lightsaber, like a young cool Yoda, and boom there is the renewal of the franchise!

Great stream, I really enjoyed hearing Ryan’s take. He’s very knowledgable when it comes to Star Wars and Mauler brings a level headed perspective.

RK is right. I've had the same feelings, ice the brand for like 5-8 years and then come out with a trailer for Darth Bane: Path of Destruction.

^.-.^ You four lads have such excellent chemistry with each other, this is such a fun stream I look forward to watching every Monday.

I love the "You're sounding like a Separatist" ending. Very fitting.

I’m so fckn glad you’re giving these gents a bigger platform and to bounce ideas off of you

Ayy critical drinker!

Grogu is a stupid concept that ruins the mystery and whatever legacy the Yoda species has. What good is the wisdom of 900 years if he was a useless kid for the better part of it?

I guess this wasn't really Disney's fault but I was playing SWBII (2005) recently and just the story of the 501st talking about the war up to and beyond the point of order 66 was so interesting. How the clones knew what was about to come. Mentioning how they felt when interacting with the jedi, feeling guilty about some of their deaths, not being able to look them directly in the eye when interacting with them, hoping they had quick deaths. It was so much more interesting than just having them being controlled with a chip. It would've been harder to make the clones into characters like in TCW but heck they could've been interesting characters then.

Three best guests the host ironically is the weakest link

I haven't been back since the episode 8 review. Great panel!

This is an awesome crossover event

Ben Shapiro talking with Will Jordan (TCD) had the best conversation when ranking Star Wars movies. Ben is correct on speaking about Han. He does his job with competence.

I love the fact Star Wars Theory brain can't fathom Grace Randolph's words. It just does not compute...

Never thought this would happen, proud of you

There's nothing wrong with any of this. Don't let anyone stop you.

I'm in agreement with everything of what Ryan said about Ahsoka and how Filoni has bastardised the EU

Thanks for not catering to the haters that cancel people if they disagree. We need to have this kind of discussion that is not just an echochamber. Y'all make me think a lot and that is a good thing!

0:00 This is where the fun begins.

Great line up. Let's have another round 💪

This gets better and better.

I’m imaging one of these terminally online people tackling Gary or Drinker like the guy who jumped the judge

That's an interesting point I hadn't considered. Many fans, including myself looked at Mando S1 & S2 as a start for the redemption of the franchise and a sign for better days ahead. It looks like KK had been silently moved, and they were making good, fun shows. That's insane to think that Iger came back to "fix" Disney, but breaks the one thing they had already done to fix Star Wars, which was to remove KK. She comes back, and everything since (except Andor) is just really bad. Just so ironic to think Iger is brought back to fix Disney's rep, and the first thing he does is undo the Star Wars fix and ensure it's downfall. Iger: "OK folks, I'm back, I need status reports. What's going on with Star Wars?" Lackey: "We managed to divide fan base with the movies, but are getting a lot of fan buy-in and folks returning 'cause of the new Mando series" Iger: "We need to stop that ASAP! Get Kennedy back in here now. We can't have Star Wars fans enjoying Star Wars!".

Give it 5-10 years and the fans will be able to make any movie they want with AI technology. It doesn’t matter what Disney does. The industry will change.

1:19:23 one “theory” at the time among my friends was that Boba Fett was really Luke’s father because when Boba shot at Luke on Cloud City, he missed, and as a result, the “theory” that Darth Vader was lying.

What world are we living in to see a panel like this. Its GLORIOUS.

Star Wars really is now the Biff timeline 😂

Its great how Theory is reaching out having these people on his stream. Its nice to keep Theory a little more grounded given some of his wild insights on Ahsoka series and his love for Dave F. Even on the other side its nice that the other guys are getting some insight from Theory on why he likes what he likes. Different perspectives are valuable here. Awesome stream!

1:18:43 This sums up the state of Star Wars.

I think Snoke is Porkins

Awesome podcast with the great guests !❤