I know it is a pretty old game but I would love to see tomb raider underworld as I intend to play that on my steam deck

Miitopia on 3DS (Citra) & its remake on Switch (Yuzu). They don't seem to be the most demanding games of their respective systems.

God of War 3 rpcs3

When emulating BOTW on Cemu use the 60fps patch, the game is locked to 20-30fps normally and it works more like turning off V-Sync then forcing 60fps. improves performance a lot on low end systems (example my friends 5 year old gaming laptop) Edit: you can also Tweak shadow and texture quality. all of this is under graphics packs :)

Champions of Norrath on PS2. My old PC struggles with Snowblind engine games, so it would be interesting to see how the Steam Deck does.

Yeah, I'm honestly still baffled. I checked the settings again and it seemed fine. Same settings as smash 4 but it only gets ~20ish, I had _slightly_ better performance in Yuzu, but sitll not 30 fps. Maybe it's just a rough part of the game there? If you have _any_ tips let me know. What cpu is it paired with as well?

@@CoilWhine it was a laptop running on a i5 8300h with a GTX 1050 4gb. I did enable the 60fps mod tho. I'm assuming that some CEMU settings are a bit bugged.

@@haunter4764 Yeah, at first I was convinced that _maybe_ there's a framerate limiter being applied, but looking at the sky pushed it to ~30 so something is wrong there. Maybe vulkan and CEMU don't get along super well, AMD is a real pain because it's GL support is trash on windows

@@CoilWhine there also videos of the Aya Neo running BoTW with CEMU pretty darn better than any Nintendo Switch. Emulation as you know is a messy thing to do and certain games require their own configurations.

Yeah, I'm by far not a CEMU expert. I honestly didn't see much in the way of configs. I might try it out on my desktop with a 5600x and 2080ti to see if there's something I'm just not seeing. I think my monitor will show framerate actually, so I can try to see what the switch actually gets in that scene

Yeah that will be wild, hopefully someone will make it seamless

@@CoilWhine It's possible with the steam controller DSU Client. Works with Cemu, Yuzu and Dolphin.

We got ours reserved too, I think we're the second batch sadly. That's awesome to hear about retroarch though, hopefully it gets some good cores going.

I need to steal a Radeon card from gab and see if there's a big difference between windows and Linux. I loathe how bad the amd Gl driver is but vulkan still has caveats :/

@@CoilWhine because of how much better proton is supposed to get and the bulkiness of windows i actually think a lot of people including myself will stick to Linux, after all emulation is good on Linux, the majority of windows games will now run on Linux, and windows takes up like 60+ gigs of space

@@daddykarlmarx6183 Yeah, windows has gotten _really_ heavy. I didn't realize that Retroarch is on steam now so that should make it a LOT easier to emulate. It's still missing some of the cores but it's definitely a step forward. Gab wants to run it on windows but I (zax) am more on the linux side. Once we get ours we'll definitely test out a lot of this stuff again and see how wrong (or hopefully right?) we are.

Also, of course Mr Marx would be a linux user lmao. Thanks for the comment!

@@CoilWhine It _is_ the means of production, after all.

Oh wow, I didn't realize that Xemu had made so much progress. Gotta love getting schooled by the comments lmao. Do you have any games in particular that are worth trying in Xemu?

@@CoilWhine There's a Panzer Dragoon game on Xbox that hasn't been ported to anything else.

Yeah, I was not willing to dive into that one yet lmao. It'll be interesting whether the 360 or ps4 emulator is ready first. The ps4 emulator is apparently running some of the indie sprite titles and booting into other games already.

@@CoilWhine also the PSVita emulator has like 8 games that run fine, but are games that nobody plays :/

@@BlackMageLozi I was just talking about buying a used vita, like 20 minutes ago. At least the psp emulator will run on a potato, so that's cool

Good news Arena Ultimax are now no need to emulate anymore

just for you

Thanks homie

It just depends on the core I suppose. It seems that they're missing cemu/yuzu/rpcs3 but that's not a huge surprise. I didn't expect to see a ctira core but hey, that's cool. Not gonna lie though, I completely forgot about retroarch on steam!

@@CoilWhine Maybe they will add some more Systems later. I think with the Steam Deck the demand will go up for it. I mean it would be awesome to Emulate like everything with it right out of the Box. Without the need of another OS.

@@CoilWhine So i just got an E-Mail from Steam that RetroArch ist now fully available on Steam. And even so the DLC Section only offers Cores for some Systems. You can just download and add others how you want. That ist HUGE. So many Systems are now playable on the Steam Deck right out of the Box.

@@retroprogamer7009 Yeah, that's actually a big deal. I didn't realize it until you mentioned it. Emulation is getting more and more viable with the way nintendo is acting (especially older games). It's definitely exciting to see emulation _and_ linux both becoming more mainstream

Emulation is a difficult task to accomplish. Lets talk about a couple of them for example. PS2: MIPS gc/wii/wii-u: PowerPC ps3: Power PC but complicated For reference your computer (unless it's a new mac with the m1 chip) is using an x86 cpu. So to emulate an older console you have to translate between the two architectures. It gets even more complicated when you start looking at the way some games are coded. Many titles look better on a console than they have any right to when you compare them to a PC release. Take for example the PS3. It's rocking 256mb of ram and a dang 256mb gtx 7800gtx - level GPU. How does that even run skyrim? Skyrim says it needs 2gb of ram as the minimum (i'm sure you can get away with lower)! That's where the difficulty comes into play. You have to translate between cpu architectures and you have to find a way to make your PC hardware run with all of the weird quirks and optimizations that the console versions used. Typically you do end up needing a system with _massively_ increased specs over the original hardware. The ps4/xbone being x86 will help with emulation (there's a VERY early emulator for PS4 floating around) but even then those systems have games heavily optimized for them. I'm not _super_ well versed on it, so I'm sure I'm overly simplifying things here

Emulation isn't an efficient process, your Steamdeck has to waste a lot of processing power to pretend to be whatever console it's emulating, more powerful systems demand a lot more preformance than the original hardware ever had. If you have the same game as a PC Steam game it will run far better than its emulated brother (unless the port is truely aweful)

Doh youre right, i forgot

It's super weird. I saw higher numbers indoors (of course) but outside was locked at almost exactly 20. I didn't apply any patches or anything either.

@@CoilWhine Huh, BOTW should be quite easy to run given all the optimisations of Cemu, maybe check the fixes section of the graphics packs to see if there are any AMD specific patches.

@@CoilWhine try messing with the fps++ patch

I'm just glad you didn't call me Peter Dinklage like everyone else does lmao

@@CoilWhine Pete's a good shit . This video was really good. Watched twice👍. It's pretty fun/funny. 🍻

Hopefully!

Thanks for the kind words! The ps4 emu nowhere near ready to play (and I literally saw MVG's video on it right after we uploaded this one!) yet. A linux video might be worth doing if people are interested, I just know that most regular users are going to stick to steam/proton or install windows. Linux and the terminal is still scary to a lot of people. Hopefully the steamdeck helps alleviate that.

@@CoilWhine You can always run Manjaro or something else arch based with KDE. They have guis for everything. Some games are playable though (mostly 2d games). Have you seen SOG's video?

Yeah, I typically run manjaro when I'm messing with linux. I'll eventually earn my wings and install arch properly, but for the time being I'm too busy swapping hardware and whatnot to bother. I watched the MVG video, but I'm not sure who SOG is?

@@CoilWhine Come on man! It's someordinarygamers 😂

@@erikreider Well crap, I've been exposed as a tech poser lmao. I'll give that video a look when I get home tonight. A quick glance at that channel shows some...interesting content. Thanks for the heads up

Wait really? Rockstar, prepare to take my money

@@CoilWhine yup, RDR2 story takes place in year 1899, while the original game is set in 1911, so 12 years later.

I never looked into it since the switch is the first console I (zax) have owned since the gba. Shoot, now I have something else competing for my free time lol.

Original Xbox was actually a Pentium...3 with a GeForce GPU! It was really a "DirectX-box" if anything since it was basically a full on PC. I heard in the comments here that there is some emulation moving forward for the system, but most of it's games existed on the other consoles of it's time so interest is minimal. The xbox 360 was a 3-core PowerPC CPU, and the PS3 was a wild "cell" power-pc system with something like 7 cores, with one going to the operating system. It's why I'm amazed by how decently the PS3 emulator runs, it's one complicated system The Ps2 was...MIPS i think, switch is ARM, PS1 was also MIPS (just googled it), which are all RISC like you said. The xbone, Xbox series X/S, ps4, ps5 are all AMD systems running x86-64, so hopefully we can get some easier emulation with those consoles down the road. Alternatively we just get PC ports of their games instead (like the God of War PC release).

Well there's always the other switch emulator. I might have to try it out later. Hoping too, I hate playing on the switch and I can legally rip the roms off the cartridges I've bought

Heh, I can't deny a similar plan, I'll buy it for my Switch, but probably play it mostly on my Steamdeck and Desktop

@@UNSCPILOT Especially if the analog sticks are better than the joycons.... I'm terrified to use them because of how fragile the sticks are!

What hardware do you have?

I mean, emulators are typically free projects so there isn't much market pressure being placed on these guys. They're just doing it for fun and I have to respect that. Using the gpu fully is a lot more difficult than it may seem. Remember the ps3 has like, a 7800gtx with 256mb of vram. The burden is mostly on the cpu thats trying to emulate everything from a different architecture. If you want some context go check out the dev updates that the dolphin team puts out. They're actually crazy, ubershaders was an insane way to solve an issue. Anyways, I'm just hoping that we can play stuff like red dead 1 eventually. I need to play that and some other ps3 titles eventually

Maybe not immediately, but I don't doubt that the community will quickly make it easy to use on the Steamdeck as fast as they can

Everything is native res, most of the performance impacts arnt really resolution related although i think the ps3 emulator does have some sort of fsr which we did not enable

To expand on that, almost every title was CPU bottlenecked, so the resolution shouldn't have mattered. The games themselves were running at the native console resolutions as well, so typically lower than 720p except for _maybe_ the ps3.

Hmm, that's a good point. I might have gab fire up the system to confirm. I literally just hit "play" without touching much of anything since it ran well on my old hardware. I'd still be surprised if there was any issue in terms of performance but you never know.

he literally said at the beginning of the video why hes not playing on linux

@@JohnRodriguezVodnikHOTS when? He says the specs but not why he's running Windows 10 at the beginning.

@@Wol333 sorry 2:45 ...so towards the beginning but not right at the start

@@JohnRodriguezVodnikHOTS thanks, I missed that part about it being easier on Windows

I'm curious if we're going to get a steamdeck specific port of skyrim. We all know that Todd is just waiting for a chance at it

@@CoilWhine lmfao. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did. It's on everything but a Tesla's dashboard as is. But I do wanna know how hard it will be to do a zombie survival run of fallout 4. Or some of the vampire and skill tree upgrades for Skyrim.

@BronzeKaiser I'm just waiting to see the day when we can run skyrim gta edition inside of the ps6 port of GTA5

Any suggestions on mods btw? I'm not sure if we'll get another video out on that kind of content but I'd like to have it written down in case we get there.

@@CoilWhine I'm not too picky..I was thinking maybe one graphic mod to see how that would effect frame rates and say one gameplay/additional content mod. Skyrim has one that revamps how vampires work in it...and as I said I'm curious about the Zombie survival and new weapon mods for fallout 4. Honestly I'm more worried about fallout 4 than Skyrim. Since it's a newer game.(sorry I'm not more help but I was playing on console up till now and am new to PC modding myself) Ohhh and I read something about frame rates on fallout 4 improving on AMD processors if you unlock frame rates. Something about fallout 4 being locked at 60fps and that causes a frame rate drop on AMD processors. So if you unlock it in the .ini files(there is like 3 or 4 .ini files you have to change) but then lock your PC at 60fps(if you go to far over 60it causes glitches, and the VSD only has a 60hrz screen anyways) it actually improves frame rates.

why does it run better? better drivers?

Didn't own a copy of that game! It was more or less just a quick demo to see how the PCS3 emulation was coming along. Demon Souls is listed as playable on the wiki, so it'll probably run fine. _also I'm bad at souls games, please don't judge me_

It really depends on how good the emulator is and/or how it meshes with your system. For example, an emulator with OpenGl as it's main backend will run _significantly_ worse on an AMD system than one that uses directX or Vulkan.

We have more videos on it; its a ryzen 3 3100 at 3.4 ghz, a rx 5500xt at 600mhz, and 16 gbs of 3600mhz ram at cl14

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we showed a game that wasn't playable regardless of system and then a game that is playable on our simulator

I'd guess the pi 4 is only going to do ps1, 64, and below. It's not a powerful system and flagship phones are still struggling with gamecube/ 3ds emulation

@@CoilWhine Nah, gamecube is amazing at 720p and citra mmj is great too. you just need a powerful phone. also Wii runs amazing at 720p too.

@@rorejin6075 dolphin is a mix bag even on powerful phones like my s21u equipped with a snapdragon 888

@@acwbit2368 never happened to me on sd865 oneplus 8. always been 👍

I'll have to give it a shot again on my poco f3 (snapdragon 870). I don't consider it playable unless it runs melee at 60fps lol. I guess the last time I really tried it was back when the 845/855 was out. Still, the pi 4 is a league or two below an 870 or above in horsepower. I still need to get one to play with though

Yeah, it really confused me too, there didn't seem to be any settings flagged and it was running at ~30 when I spawned inside at the start of the game. Strange stuff, it might just be vulkan having a rough time on windows. AMD cards make that frustrating, since switching to GL means you lose half your performance

CPU is zen 2 just as we used ;) We did compare RDNA 1 vs 2 in terms of IPC. Most of the improvements in RDNA2 are perf/watt, raytracing, and higher frequency/bigger dies. The biggest factor will be mem bandwidth and power limits. So we'll see

@@CoilWhine It is the first video that i see of your channel, I just hope that my critics will end up with a "learning" and not with a ban. You said ryzen 3100 which is zen 1. In a CPU, the cache is probably the most important thing and the bottleneck that drives performance. And not only the 3100 has less cache that (as an example) the 5600G but it has on different levels. This should also be compared with the fact Moreover, TFlops means nothing and you are comparing a (if I heard correctly) 5500xt. It is my GPU currently, but it is again uncomparable as it has another architecture... to be sure to hear correctly, i also enabled subtitles. Another thing is linux vs windows, expecially on emulator every cut of processes is needed.

No worries, I'm not going to ban someone for having a discussion. I've been schooled a few times in the comments and I appreciate it. So the ryzen 3100 _is_ zen 2. www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-3-3100 it's 7nm and it supports pcie 4.0. You may be thinking of the 1300? Yeah, the cache for the 3100 is a bit on the low side, though a single CCX design like the 3300x can only have 16mb of l3 assuming it isn't a radical change in design. A dual CCX design like the 3100 can probably have 32mb of L3 though you incur latency penalties (which are also massive in gaming) by going that route. So, I'd assume a 16mb of L3 is most likely, which for gaming on an APU is probably more than enough. You'll be GPU bottlenecked in most cases excluding our emulation test here. As for the GPU, tflops are only a single measure and are typically useless when going between architectures. I wouldn't compare tflops between a radeon 7, a 5700xt, and a 1080ti for example. Though within a generation it can be a bit more useful. Comparing the 5700xt to a 5500xt in tflops can give you a _ballpark_ but obviously it doesn't account for things such as the memory bandwidth. www.extremetech.com/gaming/321068-amd-radeon-6700-xt-vs-5700-xt-rdna2-comparison for example shows that on a clock for clock basis RDNA 1 and 2 are very close. If the IPC didn't change much, and the architecture is mostly the same then they can be kinda close. Obviously this isn't perfect. Memory bandwidth is obviously an issue. Clockspeed also matters, since we're running the simulated GPU at only ~600mhz. GPUs are very good at multithreading, but it could still make a difference. Anyways, it's the best that we have and for emulation at least it's probably spot on if the steamdeck isn't throttling too much (due to the CPU dependence in most emulation workloads).

@@CoilWhine Sorry.. sometimes at 30 years old i miss some data :D What I mean is Zen3 compared to Zen2 CPUs. Ryzen 5*** are Zen3 while the 3100 is Zen2, I was thinking that the steam deck CPU is Zen3.. I'm sure of nothing by this side anymore, i don't want to believe that they confused GPU architecture with CPU architecture. So it's true, steam deck CPU is "old gen". Now that I understood that did a terrible choice of CPU architecture (imho), i just hope that when they designed the cache of the processor they were "generous". In a classic CPU+discrete GPU scenario, cache is important while in an APU the cache is VITAL, and not only L3 (16MB) but also the second and first layer (L2 L1). This is because now VRAM is the RAM and the "GPU" needs to share infos very fast with the CPU and this happens through cache. Discrete GPU+CPU scenario is not a good indicator of how much important the cache is on an APU. To make it clear and visible: Ryzen 3100 L3=16MB L2=2MB L1=256KB Ryzen 3200g L3=4MB L2=2MB L1=384KB Ryzen 5600g L3=16MB L2=3MB L1=not written in amd website (or cannot find). Now, if on the 3100 you cannot test the graphical power, the difference between 5600g and 3200g is huge also thanks to cache. www.techspot.com/article/2308-cpu-cores-and-cache/ On the GPU side, it will be very difficult for me to explain my point, i should try some research. In fact, i checked on google scholar but there are not so many researches outing as "rdna 2" gets me to nuclear power :D I try to be suspicious when I have a single source, but that is difficult to prove my point. An example of possible results would be to take an AMD rdna2 cards, downclock to the clock of the steam deck and do a proportion of compute units to compute units. This will be much better than TFlops between generations, as in a GPU.. we do have cache xD And still, the 5500XT has no informations as newer cards have "infinity cache" (still not talking about the layers.. :( )

Yeah, I feel ya, I'm almost 30 myself lol. So the ryzen APU situation is CRAZY confusing. The 3200/3400g are actually zen+ not zen2. The 4000 series of APUs (renoir) are zen2 but they were OEM only. They have 8mb of L3 which is annoying since a fully loaded zen2 ccd (two 4-core ccx's) is capable of having _32_mb of cache, but the 8 core 4700g only has 8... That's unfortunate news and I'm glad you made me look into that, it's something I completely missed since again, the dang zen2 APUs were OEM only and not really talked about... I get what you're saying about the GPU, we just don't know the clockspeed yet unfortunately. They only dropped the tflop number so that's all we could work with. Trust me, I would love to have more than one parameter to try and dial in our "simulator". As far as the "infinity cache" that's always a tad bit confusing. As far as I can tell it's mostly used to help mitigate the cut down memory bus that the 6000 series cards have (which is why the'yre medicore at mining compared to a 5700xt). It could definitely be a game changer on the APU side but there's no info on an RDNA APU just yet. That actually could make a _huge_ difference now that you mention it. We're definitely going to do a head-to-head once we get our steamdeck. This is why I appreciate the comments though, I always end up picking up some more information that I wasn't away of.

Oh im sorry I didn't think about that. Thanks for pointing it out ill try to magnify them next time

Even though you may only be playing older titles, the companies that made them (and especially nintendo) view the downloading of ROMs as piracy. I cannot tell you how to acquire roms of the internet, and legitimately ripping your own "backups" can be quite tedious and/or require specific hardware (such as my unpatched switch). I'd love to go into detail about emulation and how to setup the software, it'd give me a good reason to research it for myself. The issue is that youtube would not look favorably upon that and we'd probably get that video taken down. There are plenty of guides out there though, and I wish you the best of luck with your deck, we'll definitely do some more extensive testing on emulation with the device when we get ours

@@CoilWhine okay I understand now

BotW was a real head scratcher for me, I tried with several settings and with CEMU and Yuzu and still had a rough time. The settings were all using vulkan if available since AMD + Windows + GL = 0 fps. If you have some games to suggest I might follow up on the video, it's just hard to _acquire_ these titles, and testing takes a good chunk of time.

@@CoilWhine oh, sorry for bad comment, just sifting through videos and was hoping to see a lot of gameplay footage with settings to see if it's worth investing time and money into deck. I don't know how deck operates, so can't say about detailed settings, but try getting a cache for botw for better (no jittery) fps (even though it seemed fine?), Not sure if they still use hook on cemu...with it games run much faster. But in one of the videos guy had botw on deck 30fps stable. Could you check gamecube's Spider-man 2, auto modelista, buffy vampire slayer, geist, Hulk ultimate destruction?

@@Treychik I'll see what we can do, no worries about the comment, I appreciate the feedback. Emulation videos take a decent chunk of time, but maybe we can get something sorted out. No promises though, I've got a whole nightmare of a linux video to work on first

@@CoilWhine aaaaah! linux. no problem :) I feel the pain

​@@Treychik I love linux, I just hate the "turn on the camera and everything goes wrong" effect + linux. At least I slowly get more familiar every time, right? right?