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They are just angry because Valve is a powerhouse!!

Almost every storefront takes a 30% cut

When you buy a Steam game you're also paying for the future ability to download it, and store your saved games. Yes game prices should come down if digital only.

No actual avid gamer with a steam account cares about suing Steam. Where else can you buy triple A games for 2 or 3 dollars on sale? Sour grapes from competitors are behind the lawsuit, 100%. Steam is extremely consumer friendly. This entire lawsuit sounds like BS. In all my years of gaming I have never been able to buy more games for less money than on Steam. I have never been restricted to buy only on steam, nor have I ever seen any substantial difference in DLC prices across platforms. Steam is not a monopoly and none of this stops gaming companies from selling their products directly to consumers which most of them do. Prices on Steam are routinely cheaper than on any other platform so I am calling BS on this lawsuit. It does sound like a good way for a big law firm to make a lot of money on a settlement. I would really like to know where else I can go to consistently get better deals and not from a shady company like Instant gaming. Nice try attorneys, we're not buying it.

To be fair i NEVER buy anything for full price since i got a pc...i always wait for at least a 50% doscout or more. Pc games should be 40 bucks max regardless if theyre new or not...were not buying a physical piece of media so take off that 20 bucks

I have yet to find a gamer who is angry at Steam.

Between 2000 and 1012 practically all phsycically released games (pc and console) always were around 50 to 60 euro when they were barely out on the market. They dropped to a price range between 15 and 40 after a year or two of being sold. It's strange how people think Steam is so much cheaper. It's almost the same deal as before.

If monopoly and anticompetitive practices should be prosecuted why don't they start with Nintendo and Sony? I've always had a great costumer service and prices with steam. This is just a plot made by consoles companies because they want steam's profit and they always make their tantrums when they see steam has the same product for 30% or 50% less. I don't think steam will loose this lawsuit

Here in the UK we pay £70 a game on Xbox but in reality we more more then $80 when converted to USD

Unfortunately Valve is dominant because the services of competitors are crap, specially game stores for consoles (which are always too expensive) . Nintendo is always selling the same games for 60 USD or more, Xbox doing the same (Forza is one that always has the same price and they try to fool you to believe that there are 50% promotions, the game is almost always in "promotion") and Sony is so bad that is not even funny anymore.

It is painful to spend $99 for the super deluxe version of a AAA-studio game... especially when it is riddled with glitches and isn't very good anyway. 💸

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"games becoming increasingly unaffordable for gamers?" Whut? Most big games cost around € 60 for years now. A lot of good indies cost still around € 15 - € 25 and sales are still going rampant. We've had an 20%+ inflation these past 5 years and games hardly cost anything more. It's the only product or service that DOESN'T make me feel like I'm getting financially screwed. You saying this doesn't make sense to me at all. Edit: I do agree that some of the practices are dubious and should be adressed.

You have a WiiU game miss aligned, can u please fix it.

To be fair, the 12% commission fee was even stated by epic as inefficiant and from them as just a tactic to make steam lower their to hurt their income

Gamers just got *steamed* Sorry for the god awful pun…

My steam deck is 2 years old the buttons stoped working so I asked steam if they could fix it. they was like we will RAM it just send it to us will fix it or send you a new one .

Sony and Microsoft also make developers sign price parity deals so the games cost the same across platforms.

Vicki is delusional, prices on steam are set by the dev/publisher, who can create infinite steam keys (at valve's bandwidth cost) and sell them anywhere. They only charge the 30% fee if they are sold directly on steam, where people can take advantage of superior steam features like reviews and workshop. If they want to use keys that aren't using steams infrastructure, there is nothing stopping them. Many games release on multiple platforms. Also the price would not go down if that % was reduced. Digital games never got cheaper than physical ones.

I also hate the idea of a $70 game, but to be fair a $50 Nintendo game in 1988 with inflation would now be the equivalent of $132.74!!!! Talk about a rip off... inflation, not the game 😹

This suit sounds like BS too me. Anytime I buy a game (though to be honest I hardly ever buy a game at launch) I usually buy it for steam for much cheaper than you can anywhere else whether it is from steam themselves or a third party site. Also, the bit about it being monopolistic is also BS since there are other game stores for PC like GOG, epic, and MS. This lawsuit sounds like a backhanded Epic funded attack on steam.

It's the definition of a frivilous lawsuit.

But if the high commision prices Steam charges the developers would end up being paid by the end users, this would also mean the games should be cheaper outside Steam. Which is often not the case.

I'm pretty sure the only people really upset by Steam are all of those other crappy digital stores that can't put a dent in Steam's market share. Tim Sweeny can just cry louder.

It feels like to some extent the UK is trying to ride the coattails of the suits against Apple and Google Play stores and their high percentages (30% as well I think). But there are differences in the situations. Those two are VERY locked in (Google somewhat less so than Apple) and the way they force apps you get thru the store to have to do in-app sales thru the same store (like you can't by books in the Kindle app because of that). Tho I'm ticked with Amazon on that as well because they have their own app store you can use on Android, yet you can't get the Kindle app there. Let's be honest here too - Steam overall has probably SAVED gamers more money than cost them. I have a lot of games in Steam, mostly bought during sales. The only gamers being *maybe* hurt are the ones that buy early releases. And even if Steam loses, will it make a difference? Or will publishers keep the prices for new releases high since that's what we're used to paying but just taking a higher profit? Will the Steam sales not be as good in the future? I don't know how Steam runs those sales - do they still take a full percentage or do they reduce their cut along with the prices? At any rate they may not make the sale prices as low if they're percentage is reduced. I just don't see that this suit would end up actually benefiting anyone much.

I was thinking of getting a Steam Deck but they seemed a bit overpriced. Is there something else, equally as good for cheaper that someone can recommend? Ideally I'd like to use Retroarch on it also

Was this before or after Valve refused to be bought by MS?

If Valve loses this lawsuit. It just means Steam players will probably be charged more for games to cover the cost of the payout. Unless Valve has an insurance policy to cover it.

So many people argue in bad faith to Valve's price parity. They aren't dictating industry wide pricing. If a publisher lists a game on Steam for $50 and then on another store front at $30 they are supposed to offer the steam users the same price. Sales and them selling steam keys are excluded. Like how she is taking the side that Steam is bad. They are the ones who lowered the industry standard to 30% and Tim Sweeny is even on record of saying that their 12% cut isn't sustainable. This is evident by how these store fronts differ. Everything Epic does is for the benefit of the companies, not the consumer. Their review system is a total joke, the ability to search, etc. Steam I can look at reviews right on the page, download mods from the workshop and much more. Also how is Valve controlling the prices of games on consoles. You figure a digital only game would be cheaper than a physical copy, but yet here we are. Also even with the lower cut on these other platforms, we don't see any of these games being cheaper. The prices for digital on the consoles, are also the same. And the consoles take even the same 30% cut, but hey its fine because of reasons. Nintendo doesn't even discount their old games on their platforms. Zelda Beath of the Wild is still $60 seven years later. Maybe the problem is the publishers being greedy. The lower cut on Epic and Microsoft store fronts aren't passed onto the developers and other employees, they are just pocketed by the higher ups. They use it as an excuse to make more money, and eye raising prices. Maybe the ire should be directed to them and their price gouging practices (dlc, loot boxes/gatcha, battle passes, etc.). Hell they have hired psychologists to find a way to make it as addicting as possible to open your wallet even more to them. Games seem to be about milking you out of every last penny you have. Maybe the lawsuit should be directed towards them.

the only thing criminal here is the 30% cut, but fact remains, Valve offers the best service

Anyone remember Game Spy in the 90's 2000's? Ahhhhh the old days.....

I don't know about other countries, but here in Brazil, games published by Microsoft are cheaper (in BRL) at Microsoft Store than on Steam. So technically it's possible to offer lower prices outside Steam with no punishment for it.

One thing I’ll say that steam has gone for it is modding community as I have seen some crazy mods online, anyway great video as always and keep on saying it as it is, Lady D.

So why is this a big deal all of a sudden? There's been a class action lawsuit in the US against Steam for a minute now...the only thing new is that it's over yunner now?

My account is worth way more than what i paid for all the games on it. Steam sales are usually really good.

love the ending song

Why did the need to rip people off? One Price for an account? Not many purchasing? Make an ad 😂

Before clicking on the video, I figured the lawsuit would be about the price parity clause more than the 30% royalty. While I believe that Steam's service is currently the best digital PC game retail service available right now, I'm intrigued to see how a loss for Valve would affect retailers of _other_ digital products with similar clauses in their partner contracts. I make fonts and at least one of my fonts is sold commercially through the online retailer MyFonts and they have a similar price parity clause but also take a 50% cut of sales rather than Valve's 30%. If I wanted to sell my font for a different price somewhere else, I'd also have to change the price on MyFonts as well to match.

Cool. I might get a few bucks back. :D

I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Sweet Baby has something to do with this due to their being harmed by a STEAM user.

The biggest game prices inflation was when PS3 or 4 and it's X counterpart hit the shelves. In other words console games were much more expensive than PC versions. People were ok with it. No wonder prices are going up and up.

There is no records in history appointing to less taxes and fees resulting in lower prices for consumers. Prices never go down, only up. A game that cost 70$ stil going to cost 70$ the difference is that the companies will profit further and steam would get less from it. Percentage based math points to holding the prices down instead of inflating. Because if you sell you product with a higher price you would get a higher fee. So it helps the prices to stay manageable

Cheaper rhan consoles? Looks like you have not seen console sales recently. Kinguin, eneba or humble is cheaper but steam is the samw now.

Epic only takes 12% cut on games that have exclusivity deal with Epic. Developers have outed the fact that Epic does this.

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I doubt this law fare will get much traction in the UK. Steam has reduced the price of gaming to consumers from most objective viewpoints and the UK has the "man on the Clapham omnibus" precedent.

The prive for product must be the same = no fair? How is THE same price on different platforms is UNFAIR? Also, steam provides ALOT more then other platforms.

I don’t think Valve overcharged me at all. In fact, I got such great deals on Steam that I have a giant backlog of games I’ve bought, but never played. And I’m not the only one!!!

Damn! 9bn for low overhead? Just keeping the servers going? And a small staff that doesn’t make any games? 👍 💰 💵

Great Stuff!

Steam isn’t a monopoly. Don’t like the deal they offer? Cool, don’t list your game on steam. There are other stores.

Although Steam is my prefered plataform its feature set is unmatched, and I will alllways get the steam version of a game. I get, the argument that some users are not hable to get savings pass on to them from other vendors, if steam did not required price parity. Some users just don't care for those extra niceties offered by steam, and will rather keep extra in their wallets.

Fair and balanced, IMO. Excellent journalism, as always! :)

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I don’t pay for games over $50, unless it’s mortal kombat lol

This is just for the UK? lol oh…

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I'm not angry with Steam, but charging $60 on an almost decade old game is highway robbery. These games would've ended up in the $5 bargain bin back in the day, and it's really greedy. It won't keep me from buying and playing games on Steam because no one else really does what they do, but I will always admit when they inflate prices on old games. I'm always in the market for a replacement, but no one's come out with one yet.

Pirate as much of your library as possible before Steam locks you out of your account for wrong think.

IMO I bet Epic and others are behind this lawsuit. :P

This lawsuit is not going to go anywhere

What’s worse…1 good service or many crappy services?

They are locked to Windows 10 and don't let you play on Windows 7... yeah they're just as bad.

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Well you don't look that old for a Decade.

The devs set the prices, not valve. When valve win by doing absolutely nothing it'l be business as usual.

Only Steam really supports Linux, only Steam is available on Chromebooks. Until other companies cares only about Windows machines, I will leave my money in Valve store.

This is so full of misinformation that it almost seems like and Onion article.

The only time they give a damn about us "gamers" is when they see an opportunity to make money. 🤑

Steam should survive as it offers both the customers and developers services and promotion, but given they operate on an open platform like the PC is (Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo apply their own, much more restrictive rules on proprietary hardware) they can't force developers to pay 30% commission AND basically make the default retail price for the whole market. I guess 1 billion lost could convince them to be more fair, to everybody's gain but them. Is the parity rate even legal? I stick to GOG if no online play is involved, but everybody's Steam library is quite big and needs to be preserved.

Steam is more consumer friendly than most is more designed to build out the independent developers. Retail outlets had control over the markets and what content could be in games for over 50 years. That 30% is likely the cut cost of distribution. The only thing that I see wrong is the price fixing that you can't sell it cheaper anywhere else. Steam's strategy paid off well and the only real competition is GoG which I would rather use for classic games. Their biggest drawback is that the storefront doesn't really sort by make and model so sometimes you buy a product that you can't play which is bad. But I think Metroidvania's wouldn't exist without Steam but yes I think they are in the wrong. They have a monopoly. They are willfully ignorant of money laundering on their sites and why steam purchases exist and suddenly eastern European countries make a game that launders illicit funds or hacked funds as they push for steam or Amazon gift cards. That is what the UK could go after as they don't have the right protocols in place for it and it is possibly a large chunk of their revenue.

First, let me be clear I boycotted Valve's Steam distribution system for 10 years when it launched, I am by no means a Steam fanboy, but lets not be delusional, Steam is dominant because of all the shitty companies vying for market share they treat the customers the best. I personally prefer GOG as they actually let me own what I purchased. The fix is simple. Steam just needs to stop giving developers free Steam keys. Let the developers build their own licensing and content distribution system or just use Epic/GOG. Price parity is only a requirement if developers are selling Steam keys through third-party store fronts. As for the 30% that is a hold over from the physical game sales & distribution system. Retailers selling physical copies demanded that digital licenses enforce price parity as to not undercut their prices. Valve was able to demand the same for their distribution platform as it easily provides more services to both the customer, publisher, and developers than physical retailers. If developers don't like the 30% cut they can publish on Epic or even self publish/distribute. EA's Origin, Ubisoft's Connect, Blizzard's Battlenet, etc... Companies are already doing just that and no one is telling them they can't sell the games for cheaper. The argument for digital sales & distribution that disingenuousness companies make is that it will lead to lower prices, this NEVER comes to pass. Why would it? No, but the companies can now pocket more of your money bypassing the physical retail model. Also Steam does allow for regional pricing. This lawsuit has always been a bunch of BS.

AFAIK steam charges 30% since the beginning. So, they are not forcing publishers to raise their prices but instead hinder them in lowering them.

So i use steam as i have used it so long that playing on anything else is pointless for me personally. I dont like mutiple store fronts. I will.wait for it to come to steam. However i hope they win against steam and we get overall cheaper games.

If steam goes to shit I will stick with emulation, GOG, and epic games store. it will not deter us to move to console. I hope whoever is trying to takedown steam will understand we will not bow to console. it can go to hell.

"What's going on" is Microsoft has been trying to buy Steam but Valve refused to sell.

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So the 30% is stoping conpetition? The same plataform (windows) has multiple stores one can use including one that comes pre packaged with said plataform, and somehow developers and buyers still chose steam. I wonder why? Its a mistery. This lawsuit should fall flat. They are the best because they provide the best services and have consumer in mind. This is dumb.

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Steam is a monopoly by gamers choice if the shit store was a better version also steam is a beast but not perfect

All I'm seeing is more than likely 1 of the big three gaming console manufacturers funding slimy investors to find anything they can against the biggest rival they have to date. This stinks of corporate games.

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Bear in mind it is misinformation to blindly say Steam taking the large cut they do and ending at "STEAM BAD!" Steam also has a degree of product discoverability that pushing potential sales right in front of your face, whereas Epic in particular doesn't. Bellular has covered this regarding his own company's game. It doesn't justify what Steam is doing, but you still get far more sales, and by extension far more money on Steam than if you use exclusively Epic. You can't just tear down Steam and fix the problem of Steam's dominance. There's also the fact I've know people who don't want 20 different game sales platforms/launchers, and only want to use Steam as much as possible, it being the original dominating force they already own everything. Making changes to this situation is going to be about like trying to push back the ocean with a mop.

Going to buy Black Myth: Wukong on Steam over any other platform. Goodwill goes far I hope. And I'm migrating console player. Where the fuck do I need a new console, if it doesn't even have any compelling exclusives? All I need is a good controller. So which is it; PS5 or Xbox -controller for the PC?

Leave Jesus Gabe alone!

Ah the UK. Glad I don't live there. :)

It’s my pleasure to be ripped off, as long as it continues to result more projects / products

Given Steam are headquartered in Seattle and Luxembourg I'm pretty sure any decision the UK court comes to would be entirely symbolic.

For that 30% cut, you get things like the Steam Deck and Proton, and Vulkan, and cloud saves, and good network multiplayer infrastructure....

I just use CD keys, discounted prices for games.

Question. What percent of a super chat does KZfaq take? Iirc correctly its 30%. When is the UK going to sue KZfaq?

Really valve dosen't force any dev or publisher to sale on steam we just won't buy it if it's not offered on steam they have earned our loyalty thus far I have been on steam for 19 years I can't say that for any other platform I'veever used!😅

People are in the comments thinking this suit is designed to destroy Steam. There is no way they watched the video and only demonstrating this fast growing worship of corporate entities, and I'm certain most are professed atheists. Clearly this is an issue most have never heard of given the replies nor seen devs complaining over the years about Steams locking them in essentially and no better platform PC-wise to sell on. It doesn't matter if Sweeney is competition, he was right when he defended the indie dev on Steam's practices. You don't need to be right on everything to be right on one.

Is the UK the only country complaining about Steam, if so this lawsuit is BS

PCMR has every right to be smug. I apologize for nothing. While Steam is the most consumer friendly, feature rich and largest PC storefront, they're still a corporation and every corporation does corporate stuff to varying degrees.