Check out History Time's vid here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9Zogr2rmrGun6M.html & The Histocrat's here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f8l0hauZvryug6M.html

Compared to your normal content this is current events.

Goddamnit Urumilki. You had one job

Carthage: "We have a rich and long his..." Rome" *NOOOOOO* "

You can achieve a lot more and be free of anxiety, worry and depression when you realize people, civilizations, have gone before you and they screwed things up too. Enjoy life today friends.

Well I was going to be happy about this collab finally coming to fruition but after Atun Shei's cameo I'd rather go stare at a wall.

This is why, if I could go back in time, to a parallel dimension where everything is the same, I would be grabbing books out of Carthage and Alexandria like my life depended on it

The spoon mic is OP now

Did not expect to see Atun-Shei Films make a cameo haha. His bizarre-dead pan humor always gets me and he has great history on his channel

So nice to see my name scroll by the tragically decapitated head of this video's protagonist, truly and unironically I tell you this is what I paid for.

You gotta do a video about Ea-nasir, ancient Akkadian copper merchant who is the subject of the "Oldest Complaint Letter in the World"

Pretty incredible to think that the Phoenicians sometimes sailed as far as the Congo delta

I see you upgraded your spoon mic, it sounds nice

I really love the illustrasions in your videos, the striped shadows making for a more text book feeling when watching. Ettore Mazza is truely a great artist.

the way you ended this mans career was cold bruh... damn

Carthage my hometown in northern Tunis.. the best place to be in the whole country

"Father! What do you mean, 'If Uncle hadn't returned, you would have sacrificed me!'"

Greetings from Malta! I watched an online presentation about that particular site which was very fascinating. The site itself is so deep that the poor marine archeologists end up working 15-20 minutes per day at the most! Although they do it in 2 successive waves. Also, the place Milo talks about is called Xlendi, and it's pronounced Shh-Lendi, just as a minor comment.

I am sustained by the spoon mic.

i'm always so happy when i see you've uploaded. have a good day friendo

Can you feature more father cameos? I find his insight comforting.

To give some context to the sacrifice of children ,the greeks were surprised to find Egyptians raised all their children .Greeks and Roman's would leave unwanted children in the street to be taken for slavery or die .

Carthaginian: Regarding this pandemic... does anybody have spare children to sacrifice? Also: cheap olives anyone?

Urumilki, best character of the story

RIP Spoon Mic Hello, Mic Spoon.

The Atun-Shei Films reference made my day

there was a book about agriculture by Mago which was translated to greek and later to latin extracts of that survived in various latin texts by Roman writers on agriculture

Atun-shei plays a great drunk nihilist

Great video but I wasn't prepared for Atun-shei's dramatic reading of that damn voice in my head.

Love it so much I'm watching it a second time already. I majored in Latin and Roman History in college and still learned a lot, and was entertained throughout. You make good videos man. Keep up the good work

We already know that without abortions and birth control there were many unwanted births and abandoned children at this point in history. Let alone still births and disabled or sickly babies etc. The hard reality of the time is that the mortality rate for newly born children was seriously high. I feel like Carthage just found a somewhat "practical" (I hate to use that word) solution for the already large numbers of children that died in any ancient society. A way to make their deaths a little more meaningful perhaps? From their perspective at least. Turning an unavoidable negative reality into a socially positive incentive? I don't see them sacrificing healthy strong desired children for personal gain, although I suspect some people might do that. There are plenty of humans today who will easily sacrifice the lives of others for their own.

Man these videos just get qualityer and qualityer, amazing job!

The ending was gold

As a Hebrew speaker, I always find joy in hearing a languages similar to mine (since I think my neighbours' language is far more advanced, and hard for me to understand). A lot of the words in Phoenician sound a lot like Hebrew, if not identical: tophet literally means in Hebrew "inferno" (Dant's inferno? "Ha'Tophet" התופת); Mehashbim? sounds like an older version of accountant, "hashav" (מחשבים; חשב). Milkiuru is unclear to me, maybe a Phoenecian version of "malki-or" (מלכיאור) a very archaic name in Hebrew?

1:02 Hollywood must make this a movie with Liam Neeson as Hanno.

Another great video!! Cant get enough of your content! Love your work man!!

That little speech from Plautus is famous for being the cornerstone of the theory that the Celtic languages were based on Phoenician, borrowed bit by bit over many centuries of the ancient tin trade. Sherlock Holmes was investigating this theory in The Adventure Of The Devil's Foot, so there just be something to it. There's a recent effort to reboot the theory in the book Europa Vasconica - Europa Semitica by Theo Vennemann.

Loving the spoon mic upgrade. Merry Christmas and happy New Years!

What a great collaboration! Really wonderful work all around.

If I can recommend a reading on the subject of the tophet, you can easily find on the internet the work of Bruno D'Andrea (in Italian) entitled "Bambini nel " limbo " : dati e proposte interpretative sui tofet fenici e punic".

I wish that you had more videos. I find myself watching each one twice. The videos about stone tool making cultures and deep history and ancient cultures like this (and the ending of this one) are one thing, but the one about Stojan really nailed me.

A masterpiece ! Thank you for your videos Stephen !

Dude this is one of the best videos you've ever made. How does it feel to know all of the surviving writings from hundreds of years of carthaginian society, amounts to only a tiny fraction of your own personal work?

Loving the Mic Spoon...as well as the well researched and facilating insight into Cathage.

Humorous existential angst... Freaking hilarious and educational! Another gem from Milo

This is an outstanding post. Educational and entertaining. Thank you and please keep up the good work. 👍👍👍👍👍

The Punic text in Poenulus is so heavily corrupted, most of it undecipherable. The language was close enough to Phoenician/Hebrew and other Semitic languages to have been read with ease.

_Voices of the Past_ crossover *and* _Atun-Shei!_ Glad I stumbled onto this channel and Subscribed.

Ettore Mazza's illustrations are the finest!

Loved the voice in your head!

Thanks for another great video.

Great video, I really enjoyed it. Thanks for posting.

Love the style of this video!

I just found this channel and I have to say that I love the artwork

great video as always

The mic still attached to the spoon really made me laugh.

Your videos just get better and better

I know its understated,( probably because your British), but the humour is perfect man, reminds me of some of my best teachers

The artwork is fantastic!

Great video, superb ending. Thanks

Great video!! Lol that spoon though 🤣

That ending was a fine compliment to Anton-Shiei's earlier cameo

Damn your videos are only getting better and better. Also I love that you kept the spoon even with the new mic 😂

possibly the grandest known example of a rare hand crafted traditional artisan Milo spoon mike ever to be recorded... loved it! - Must be seen to be believed! 🏆

This is the best and most entertaining history class I have had the pleasure of experiencing.

"I won't sink into depression just yet." That's the spirit!

I love this channel.

What a classic ending! Great video! Thank you!

There's also some additional dialogue in Punic after those lines in Poenulus. It's worth noting that Punic's closest living relative is.. well, Hebrew.

it’s also possible that animals were sacrificed as part of funerary rites or remembrance after burial of a child and also buried alongside (or “for”) the children, but it’s unlikely we’ll ever know unless more literary or perhaps forensic archaeology emerges

Always love a good Atun Shei cameo! What is life I feel so small

Nice vid bro. 👌

I love how saucy you are getting in your videos

The moment I see what was to be the subject of this video I thought that I was going to enjoy it. But the moment I've seen this guy remembering us how insignificant our existence are I give my thumbs up. I didn't knew who Atun Shei was, definitely I'm going to know now xD

I bet in the future there will be internet archaeologists who dig through archived webpages and comment sections to try and get a more clear picture of society today. Hopefully they will be able to see through all the cynical comments, trolls, and conspiracy theories. And if the internet continues for 2000 years then people in the future will have a much better idea of what the present day is like than what we currently know about 2000 years ago.

A legendary ending. Good choice on the music. Thanks, Hanno!

TIL I needed this collab.

liked the way you embedded and explored the literature in this !

Great video... In Latin. And a great cameo from Atun Shei, really channeling disappointed father energy... In Latin.

The spoon is greatly appreciated!

ALL MY FAVORITE CHANNELS IN ONE PLACE!

This video is a gateway drug to your channel and I am an addict

Brilliant and entertaining

Just found your channel Mr milo, its great.

What a beautiful flower inscribed in that lamp.

Deep dives into remnants of ancient civilizations AND existential daddy issues in one vid! I'm in.

Great video and very entertaining! I do want to add something to the infanticide, which you glossed over quite quickly for such a controversial topic. I agree with oy oy Emine’s answer, further down. The debate about infanticide in ancient Carthage is still going on and there are scholars taking sides. The ones who think it did happen, refer to the Tophet and Greek and Roman sources (Diodorus Siculus, Plutarch, Tertullian, Orosius and Philo), but only the ones that criticize the infanticide and are also all enemies of the Carthaginians or the Phoenicians. I’ve read that some people here have also referred to the bible, but they always fail to mention that the passage they are referring to is where the Hebrews criticize the other locals because they have not converted to Judaism and still worship multiple gods, that’s also when they mention the infanticide. Every mentioned source about the infanticide is preceded by negative commentaries on the Carthaginians or Phoenicians, never even a neutral one. (for the people interested I will add a part with the sources that mention it and also a few scholars who are pro-Carthage infanticide. I add this because I think it’s important but I know some people would rather get to the point. Also, the chance this message is read is quite small, so for the ones who do want to read the comment it might bore them a bit?) They also ignore the sources of Virgil in the Aeneid, he describes a special department in the underworld in Carthaginian religion that is destined for babies. The most important part about this is that he does not refer to any human action as the cause of their death, he even describes it as the babies being torn away from the bosoms (Aeneid, 6th Book, 426-429, T.C. Williams translation). The inscriptions on the Tophet try to place the souls of the departed children in the care of the goddess Tanit and her husband Ba’al Hammon. Tanit is the mother goddess, so it seems logical for parents that have lost their child to give it to a divine mother that will take care of it. The Carthaginians also had a concept of the soul, so they are offering the soul (that isn’t dead) to the goddess to take care off. Research has been done on the remains found in the Tophet by the Department of Phoenician-Punic Archaeology at Universita' di Sassari by Pierro Bartolini. Most remains are of stillborn children. There are a few children that have a higher age (5), although few in number. They think these children passed away before doing the initiation ritual (like a baptism), which is logical since there was a lot of child mortality in ancient times. There probably was a ritual like this, the stories around Hannibal tell of him swearing an oath to hate Rome in a Carhtaginian temple. Although not an actual initiation ritual it might as well have been a follow up ritual, that has been misinterpreted by the Romans, like a communion or bar mitzvah. The most likely explanation is: “an open-air site, accessible to all who cared to visit the place, was a sacred sanctuary presided over by Ba'al Hammon and his consort Tanit. The human remains found in the urns buried in the Tophet were of children recalled to the presence of the gods; that is why they were buried in the sanctuary. To this sanctuary came grieving parents, who gave their children back to Ba'al Hammon and Tanit. Sometimes the parents would offer animal sacrifices to the gods to solicit their favor. Then they had funeral stelae carved and inscribed with vows, along with the poignant request that the divine couple grant them further offspring.” (Quoted from professor M'hamed Hassine Fantar). Similar sites have been found among the Greeks according to archeologist Sabatino Moscati. Other academics who share this view are: Michel Gras, Pierre Rouillard, Javier Teixidor. They wrote a very interesting work on Phoenician culture called: L'univers phénicien. It’s a bit dated, it’s from 1989, but the excavations seem to agree with their work. One of the sources often referred to is Diodorus’ Library of History 20.6- 7, where he describes a scene which resembles the story of the bronze bull built for the Sicilian tyrant Phalaris. Diodorus was from Sicily itself and it’s very likely he confused these two. Diodorus is most of the time seen as someone who wrote down gossip, more than facts. He would be the equivalent of a modern gossip magazine about celebrities. More reliable sources like Polybius or Livy do not mention child sacrifice in Carthage, even though both wrote about Carthage. Polybius would’ve been an amazing source since he fought against Carthage and actually “visited” (in term of war) the city, alongside Scipio in 146 B.C. He probably wasn’t too fond of the Carthaginians, but still does not slander them with accusations like this. One could say that “it was too well known at that time that the Carthaginians sacrificed their children to mention, since Polybius expected people to know that”. That’s a possibility, but I doubt it since this argument did not stop gossip later. It was probably the same story as the Christian monks in the middle-ages discrediting the Vikings as monstrous savages. Livy lived during the same time period as Diodorus and was well informed about Carthage, but did not have any love for the city. He didn’t mention such practices either. Now, the other sources speak from a hate or enemy perspective: Tertulian was a Christian author in Carthage that just like the Hebrews towards the Phoenicians loathed them for not worshipping one god. Tertulian is also very known for his anti-Jewish De Adversus Iudaeos and believing that women are a gateway for the devil. The Carthaginian religion and traditions being of Phoenician descent (and a reference also to the fall of Samaria where similar gods were worshipped) and having a major mother goddess as well as a female founder, probably made up his mind about the ancient Carthaginians. Orosius is also a Christian and who lived long after the fall of Carthage. Philo was a Jewish writer from Alexandria. These two were both raised, as was Tertulian, in areas the Romans had taken over and completely assimilated into Roman culture and thought. It’s very likely they just copied the gossip from Plutarch or Diodorus. Plutarch wrote about the infanticide in his Moralia, where he mentoins that even the childless Carthaginians sacrifice children by buying them and slicing their necks. Which begs the question why they just wouldn't buy children for every sacrifice, because apparently it was an option. Plutarch being of Greek origin and later a Roman citizen who never met or came into contact with anything remotely Carthaginian or Phoenician, seems to also have just written down gossip or things he heard in the street. Plutarch also wrote the biography of Cato, you might remember him as the guy that said that Carthage has to be destroyed. Off all the sources the pro-Carthaginian infaticide scholars use, I would say Plutarch is the most credible one, although Carthage does not seem to be one of his main interests or fields of expertise. (nothing against Plutarch by the way, I kind of like him, he was vegetarian and had certain references to reincarnation, which I think is very unique). The pro-scholars for the ones interested: Lawrence E. Stager, Joseph A. Greene and Josephine Quinn. P.s. This is not my native language so please excuse the spelling mistakes.

So good! Thanks.

Someone get this guy a proper spoon mic.

Whooaaaa that's some title / thumbnail pic combo there

Hello, I am a huge fan of your channel!!! Definitely the best channel for amateur archaeology on KZfaq. I am actually a girl lol this isn't my name. I want to say, irs def possible that they were sacrificing children. It's worth mentioning that in the Greek baby wells, there were also dogs. Maybe something to that. OR Bear in mind that we do not know anything about Carthage from its actual people. Only from their enemies or rivals. That should be wholly considered. And Christians are even less reliable, especially where Baal is concerned. Its possible that they were offering the soul of their dead child when they died. The translation could also be off. We just dont know enough about it. I'd say if the bones were looked at and any average COD can be understood, then we may have a better answer. Human sacrifice was so rare in the ancient world . And even if it wasn't, who are we to say it was wrong? Morality is subjective.

Love the spoon mic up grade

Man, this was awesome.

Awesome!!

You are the best, Stefan Milo! Wait a minute. Now I sound like the comments on youtube I hate. Just meaningless "likes" and "likes comment", without wisdom. I love you, Stefan Milo. I love the consept of your films. I am from Norway. Parden my lack of english correct spelling.

Loving the spoon. Are you making merch with the spoon of history at a time? ☺️

Haha...I watch Atun-Shei too! Interesting ending...I learn and crack up at the same time...lol!

YES! What a great topic ❤❤❤👌

I love the end music with the roman holding his head

As of March 25, 2023, a _Fall of Civilizations_ episode on the Phoenicians is coming soon. :-)