Stellaris No Conquest Payback Challenge

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Stellaris No Conquest Challenge will be tough. We will be limited to pacifism, yuck, which means we cannot launch wars of agression. We also won't be taking any vassals. We aim to build a Federation of equals, using the liberation wargoal. We will of course be sprinkling in a bit of roleplay in this Stellaris Challenge playthrough.
But can the United Earth Governments survive?
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0:00 Intro
0:45 Our Empire
5:54 The Challenge Begins
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@MontuPlays Жыл бұрын

Check out Oddyssey: Your Space, Your Way in early access here: dared.io/McDfzV8CzRkoFqN38

@StarboyXL9 Жыл бұрын

Did you plan this challenge to rebuff the recent forum threads saying that pacifist is terrible? Or did they just give you the idea?

@Ozhar1 Жыл бұрын

Shared burdens is not communism

@StarboyXL9 Жыл бұрын

@Ozhar1 Agreed. It's just a minor increase in upkeep. Not real communism

@joshuawittenberg8975 Жыл бұрын

Me, who never makes war because it makes me sad: "This is a challenge?"

@cosmictim0 Жыл бұрын

SAME 🤣

@upgradeplans777 Жыл бұрын

Same here. This challenge is just the pacifist ethic?? I don't even find fanatic pacifist much more of a challenge than playing with other ethics. (It disallows liberation wars as well.)

@prestonjones1653 Жыл бұрын

I rarely instigate a war because I enjoy building my economy too much

@agooseiswatchingyou5677 Жыл бұрын

Same tho

@Best-SiLenZ Жыл бұрын

Well, in this case its a challenge because of the origin force us to have an arch enemy

@Elyseon Жыл бұрын

The most unrealistic part in this is humanity uniting AND not wanting to get payback.

@Death2all546 Жыл бұрын

Wanting payback would probably be the most uniting factor. Hell, wanting to get payback against Japan is what got America out of the great depression.

@franciscoangeles1571 Жыл бұрын

I have to throw in that Switzerland did indeed conduct conquest wars.

@MontuPlays Жыл бұрын

How about my alternative fact that they didn't conduct conquest wars? xD

@madiaw5553 Жыл бұрын

I like the fact that nearly half of the war they've fought are offensive

@lordzendikar Жыл бұрын

Yeah, we did do that

@errortrek2290 Жыл бұрын

Not launching offensive wars? This is like my first playtrough

@user-nd4du4tq3t Жыл бұрын

This is like my every playthrough because i'm a pacifist at heart.

@zealgaming8161 Жыл бұрын

I too was a pacifist... Until i found out that purging alien scum from the galaxy massively increase my late game fps. Can't make a smooth endgame without cracking a few capitals as they say.

@marcosmauricio7805 Жыл бұрын

@@zealgaming8161Yeah. I don't run Fanatic Purifiers because I hate xenos, but simply because I hate lag.

@primary2630 Жыл бұрын

Lol the novice fear of attacking other big empires. I feel that for sure. I mostly avoid wars because i hate that 20 years into a war i didnt defend my wormhole and gateway systems enough and now the enemy is in my empire and its gonna take 3 years to get there with my ships

@danielramirez1529 Жыл бұрын

@@marcosmauricio7805 the reminds me of the time I let the Gray Tempest eat half the galaxy. Late game it was running like year 2200 😂.

@justinsinke2088 Жыл бұрын

This is exactly why I don't like forming defensive pacts, especially in the early game; getting dragged into wars I'm in no position to fight and then having my fate tied into the war decisions of an AI empire.

@Slav4o911 Жыл бұрын

Better yet, my allies "love" to start wars with fallen empires, which we for some unrealistic reason can't exit.... yes I'm ready to start a "defensive war" against anybody.... but it would be hard with two 40k fleets to beat a fallen empire with 1,2 million fleet.... and "my ally" usually has half strength of my own.... which is "just great" ....also I can't stop the war with the fallen empire.... In a real scenario I would say to them.... "If you feel so suicidal go on... I'm out of this crazy war.... and on top of that never ask me to be your ally ever again...!!!" Also I "love" when I'm in a federation to never be able to start a war.... but sometimes one of my federation allys is able to start war with a fallen empire.... there should be a federation policy "never piss off a fallen empire".... Even in late game where we can beat a fallen empire in most cases it's just not worth it. Also they tend to start it when I'm occupied with something else... and I don't want all my fleets to go to one point and literally make my empire defenseless, because all my fleets has to concentrate in one point.

@kapadocia-sama3449 11 ай бұрын

on grand admiral it can save your skin, early authoritarian neighbors are vile beasts

@User08145 Жыл бұрын

Montu: "No one would willingly sign their life away" Every military recruiter in the U.S. just started laughing uncontrollable. They have yet to figure out the cause.

@the_last.satrap6064 Жыл бұрын

The Modified Churchill speech was INSANE !!!!!🎉

@MontuPlays Жыл бұрын

The first one... or the second? ;)

@the_last.satrap6064 Жыл бұрын

@@MontuPlays the "we shall fight on the beaches" one at the endings...

@Savaris96 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, liberation Wars, my favourite kind of non-aggressive war, right after Total war, which of course is purely defensive, as I do not know how many guns my neighbours might be aiming at me

@Treyast Жыл бұрын

*"TRY NOT TO EXTERMINATUS CHALLENGE (IMPOSSIBLE) (NOT CLICKBAIT)"*

@art-games6230 Жыл бұрын

I like how you say that some people are calling for agressive first contact policy, others passive, yet you cannot press either one of these buttons

@gurrspar968 Жыл бұрын

This was basically a France game! You were called into a war against a military power based on a defensive pact, lost the war, your empire and your home planet, but your colonies remain. My suggestion would be to embrace your inner de Gaulle, use console commands to shift to another human empire, then roleplay your way back to liberating sol together with your Free Human forces and your surviving allies. Personally I'd love to see it.

@zordiarkdarkeater8625 Жыл бұрын

He calls it a Challenge. I call it an everyday playthrough lol i allways play more of a passive agressive Empire in 4x games. barely ever do wars myself.

@MalcadorTheSigilite Жыл бұрын

No Xenocide?

@art-games6230 Жыл бұрын

killing the xenos is the entire thing behind behind stellaris, the only good alien is a dead alien or bubbles

@Euruzilys Жыл бұрын

Suffer not the xenos!

@LoneWolf343 4 ай бұрын

Passive aggressive? Do you mutter sarcastically at your neighbors that you're fine with how that they grabbed that territory all for themselves, you totally weren't interested in it yourself?

@blueberryiswar 6 күн бұрын

@@LoneWolf343 and then become their vassal but modify the contract every time so that they pay you more and more for less and less contribution from you.

@IainG10 Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna recommend Out of the Dark (by David Weber) as good book for anyone interested in the Payback Origin story-wise. It's about humanity defeating technologically superior invaders (and not just relying on bacteria to do it for them....). Has a slightly ridiculous premise in it which is then explained far better in the sequel.

@barryfraser831 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the best twist in all of science fiction.

@rampagesun1465 Жыл бұрын

Weber and Ringo are great for Payback themes.

@IainG10 Жыл бұрын

@Rampage Sun With Weber (haven't read any Ringo) it's the military analysis stuff I really enjoy (muzzle velocities and how they relate to forces delivered at certain ranges etc). I've read Out of the Dark + sequel and all the Safehold stuff; I'll get round to Honor Harrington at some point.

@rampagesun1465 Жыл бұрын

@@IainG10 start with John Ringo's "The Hot Gate"

@IainG10 Жыл бұрын

@@rampagesun1465 Live Free or Die is apparently the first in that series, and I've added it to my list. Sadly, it is a very long list, and for every book I read from it, 2 more go on....

@dyne313 Жыл бұрын

Not even Fanatic Pacifist. SHAMEFUL.

@norymmk1352 Жыл бұрын

YESSSS We need more themed playtroughs! multiple 30 minute episodes are perfect!

@512TheWolf512 Жыл бұрын

reminds me a little of the "all tomorrows" story. how the big baddies ended up paying for their evil, so satisfying

@MrAlex_Raven Жыл бұрын

5:00 I mean you could tried writing something. "Having first hand witness the cruelty of a people who haughtily thought they were mightier than the people they sought to conquer; no human would dare subject anyone to such a fate. War if they must, but never to lord over a people as they once were."

@ironclad184 Жыл бұрын

Really love the Rp focused challenges, I’m looking forward to more.

@irrefutablefox2388 Жыл бұрын

The story that you make along these videos is top tier enjoyment.

@1fan996 Жыл бұрын

A brilliant narration, if ever I've heard one!

@Cosmic0508_SC Жыл бұрын

25:00 Winston Churchill would be proud.

@MontuPlays Жыл бұрын

Wait till the end xD

@jacobhoover1654 Жыл бұрын

My favorite challange is preserving as much space from being colonized as possible, like having Consecrated Systems instead of Worlds.

@BlackReshiram Жыл бұрын

bro this was so much fun to watch! you should absolutely try it again!

@tomekczapnik1224 Жыл бұрын

I'm not a huge Stellaris fan, I play it once in a while, but I love watching your challenges just for your storytelling :)

@TheM8 Жыл бұрын

...half way thru, you selected nearly every offensive option you got your hands on...

@dyne313 Жыл бұрын

This is a Challenge? I thought this was how you were supposed to play.

@manatocmunkey Жыл бұрын

This as a really fun one to watch, would like to watch another that they survive

@marcosmauricio7805 Жыл бұрын

Here's a nice one for you: Try finishing a game as a Fanatic Xenophile/Egalitarian with Xenocompatibility on, large galaxy size, all sliders at maximum. Ps: By the way, just noticed while firing up a new game that the very last slider should actually be at the minimum for the purposes of this challenge.

@DemonKing19951 Жыл бұрын

So the challenge is beat the game before everything becomes an impossible slide show? Or I suppose at least play as genocidal as possible to prevent it.

@marcosmauricio7805 Жыл бұрын

@@DemonKing19951 The fanatic xenophile is there as a way to try and prevent that. The more hardcore mode would be to not shift ethics for the entire game. Now that I think about it, pacifist instead of egalitarian would be better there, even if you could still go into liberation wars, that would put a bigger screw on trying to restore FPS to the galaxy.

@DemonKing19951 Жыл бұрын

@@marcosmauricio7805 You would still have access to doing damage through bombardment, but after the 3.8 update they'd surrender too quickly with the limitations all that implies.

@lucjanl1262 Жыл бұрын

Solution - go psionic as second ascention perk, try to roll divine sovereign to remove all your ethics, finish the psionics tree and pick become the crisis as 3 ascention perk

@DemonKing19951 Жыл бұрын

@@lucjanl1262 I feel like both of those options defeat the point of the challenge run. Kind of the point is you're supposed to work through the fact you can't easily murder anyone you want.

@mr.spleens7800 Жыл бұрын

Love your playthroughs

@erbomb1 Жыл бұрын

I pretty much always play authoritarian goverment types. Recently did a Broken Shackles run as egalitarian xenophile and in order to form my spiritual federation and survive the early game I had to team up with a crime syndicate.

@StarboyXL9 Жыл бұрын

The problem with defending free speech is that one always finds oneself fighting in the defense of scoundrels and con men

@jeiwxlf7393 Жыл бұрын

Amazing man, well done.

@izunachu Жыл бұрын

I love these long form rp videos!

@anteep4900 Жыл бұрын

5:02 oH My GoD, i was going to play along with you but now that i saw your sponsor, ive dropped everything to play this amazing game thats totally better than anything else on this channel......... lol

@somewhere7565 Жыл бұрын

i mostly never do wars, now that we have the empire size mechanic fanatic pascifist became my favourite

@Michael-yf1wo Жыл бұрын

More videos like this please!

@RobT192 10 ай бұрын

24:47 You went full Churchill bro, nice speech

@Decimus-Magnus Жыл бұрын

I am going to finally play with this origin for my first 3.8 playthrough that I'm about to start. I was going to try it in 3.7 but decided to go with the Lost Colony and the Relic homeworld origin (again!).

@Freelmeister- Жыл бұрын

Looking at these leaders compared to galactic paragons leaders makes me laugh.

@arsov9885 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you.

@Miranda17137 Жыл бұрын

I'm a little hype for the new Crusader State civic for this

@BighairyAmericanwinningmachine Жыл бұрын

to people who ask why this is a challenge, you don't know the agony because you clearly haven't committed genocide on a galactic scale

@noneofyourbusiness4133 Жыл бұрын

Smash Announcer: **NO __CON__TEST!!!**

@zigo2267 Жыл бұрын

Отличная работа, товарищ.

@PatrickNerdu744 Жыл бұрын

Long live Humanity!

@rjagad Жыл бұрын

This is... Something

@MontuPlays Жыл бұрын

One of the playthroughs of all time

@loleo6556 Жыл бұрын

No offensive war? That's just a normal Game of stellaris for me

@frankhorrigan3867 7 ай бұрын

I usually try to play like this but once an ai empire takes a relic all bets are down

@briannaherrington949 Жыл бұрын

Personally, Xenophobic Isolationists is my relatable empire type

@nicwaters4808 11 ай бұрын

"tasty, tasty dinner" hive mind assimilation only when

@xpc39 Жыл бұрын

Lots of laffs in this one. Thanks Montu~

@Matt-qt1oh Жыл бұрын

Uploaded 13 seconds ago. Love it.

@snatcherthegreatone328 Жыл бұрын

The Churchill speech goes CRAZY though

@StephenSaid Жыл бұрын

That was thoroughly enjoyable. I love a good rp game. How about one where you are a cloaking obsessed Romulan type empire? Or a cloaking obsessed criminal mega corp?

@rojapokemona Ай бұрын

Me trying to go for the peaceful playthrough every time, but inevitably ending up processing my neighbors for food: Dammit it is a challenge isn't it

@Reoh0z Жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of no conquest runs. I still flip AI opponents into allies, but I have WAY LESS ANNOYING TEDIUM with managing the empire mid to late game.

@jorgecartagena7594 Жыл бұрын

the real hero of all this, Ibrahim

@Gilgwathir 10 ай бұрын

24:55 Nice Churchill refrence there

@amugusq7567 Жыл бұрын

Why not a megacorp? Megacorp liberation wars turn into pure profit. And lets be honest - MSI is a threat to free trade.

@atomictomfoolery4400 Жыл бұрын

My uplifted Vassal from the start of one run I did had this challenge, was because it was one system and no contact with the rest of the galaxy.😅

@VORASTRA Жыл бұрын

I USUALLY tend to not launch offensive wars in my games. It's due to my approach to this game, political aspect interests me more than wars. But usually it ends up like 3 wars inside my federation, one of them is because one of my allies pisses off fallen empire.

@johnl9763 Жыл бұрын

The Nobodies of Nowhere would be a great name for the hidey origin.

@darandomator4010 2 ай бұрын

This is literally how I play most of my games. It got boring at one point so I created some custom enemy empires to populate my map who would give me an excuse to be more active.

@teekavu1065 Жыл бұрын

Your Churchill speech is wonderful! I rarely give like to anyone.However for this one here take my like.

@mccarthy86 Жыл бұрын

I'm Swiss German and we are very much not communist, I would say we are more like middle Americans, in that we are very patriotic, love guns, love our freedom and hate the idea of big government. People are always surprised when they come here, how conservative Swiss people are. A space Switzerland would be very isolationist and self sufficient, would have a very large defensive army, the government would be fragmented like a confederacy, it would have a military culture where all the men are soldiers. And they would invade any Italians nearby XD

@jamesgoines4635 Жыл бұрын

I think if he Vassalised that first empire he would have won no doubt but he was role playing. Fun video even if you lose. Look at Ep3o and all the challenges he lost lol.

@gwynm8506 Жыл бұрын

I have a build I call the Spanish Inquisition. It’s just a regular clone army death cult metabuild, but at year 35 I always declare war on as many people as I can to change ideology

@matthewshields Жыл бұрын

It bugs me that the Commonwealth of Man always thinks you're the United Nations.

@varemenos Жыл бұрын

So basically the reverse Greater Terran Union from stellaris invicta.

@thebiggaffeur993 Жыл бұрын

The fact that the leader of the war can simply decide your own terms of surrender without any of your own imput is simply bullshit. I mean, in any real situation, a nation could simply go "No, we don't recognise this peace treaty, get lost" and continue fighting. The Japanese didn't surrender at the end of WW2 simply because Germany fell and declared surrender.

@MadCatYeet Жыл бұрын

This looks like an utopia to me

@cybren3003 Жыл бұрын

It’s not dystopian it’s post apocalyptic

@danielramirez1529 Жыл бұрын

So its possible to get COM and the broken shackles empire appear in the same game if you play with an Earth start? And this is with the COM faction having the lost colony origin too? I want to know. That was a cool setup man.

@gumdrop_galaxy Жыл бұрын

I think it's actually guaranteed to spawn a broken shackles empire with your species as the main one if you are payback

@creeper2740 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see you continue as the human star alliance owo

@MontuPlays Жыл бұрын

Now that is an idea... What would the challenge be? 'Liberate Earth & Defeat MSI challenge'?

@creeper2740 Жыл бұрын

@@MontuPlays sounds great. or because its an empire not to liberate but to conquer it back from the hands of msi

@chrisb9143 Жыл бұрын

Clerks are always the way to go

@cyber_engine Жыл бұрын

You must replay in one more time. It would be better if you play as a imperial pacifist who are having wars by other hands. Something like subsidizing your vassals

@shinkicker404 Жыл бұрын

If you made a custom race, how did the commonwealth get that text? Isn't that unique to the default UEG? Or does it just go off the name?

@nofoxgiven6561 Жыл бұрын

If you select your planet type as starting on earth I believe.

@Caseyy04 5 ай бұрын

So no oppressive vasalage of MSI? No cracking homeworld when tbey rebel?

@UHEBallOfSomething Жыл бұрын

I wonder what happens if you set the aggression to high...

@alfadorfox Жыл бұрын

This is just how I play. When I had a hive mind and a machine intelligence box me in, I thought "oh well, guess I'm going tall." Then I built up enough influence to hop over the machines and do the solarpunk questline for a gaia world. When Minamar attacked, they took decades just to make their way through my allies, and only took a few systems before I status quo'd out. And since they didn't have claims on any of my systems, it was a white peace. Nearly half a century of war for no change. Except that the allies who'd each once offered to vassalize me before settling in on defensive pacts, now instead offered to become my vassals. A while later, and tons of research from the MSI Flagship Habitat, and I notice that my machine vassal is conquering a nearby tiny megacorp, removing their branches from my worlds. I check and... "Slavery type: Grid Amalgamation" Slavery. In MY vassal?! NOPE. Integrated. The machine pops get disassembled, but yeah I threw the trolley switch to run over one machine sapience to save zillions from energy drain slavery. The Broken Shackles empire actually ended up as an authoritarian megacorp somehow, and hated me for about a century because I tried hacking them in first contact. We're Federation buddies now but they've got Existential Expulsion casus belli on me, so I know exactly what that means... In the meantime MSI got wrecked by a machine uprising and the Great Khan at the same time, so I took the opportunity to Secret Fealty-steal two of their vassals away. Currently building an Interstellar Assembly so I can pass the right senate acts and thwart MSI without (further) violence.

@alfadorfox Жыл бұрын

I haven't laid a single claim on another empire's system, even in a defensive war. The only claims I conquered were for one of the vassals I was liberating.

@foreignfat6009 Жыл бұрын

I feel like minimar should be a fallen empire.

@unknow11712 Жыл бұрын

i mean... if you can vassalize what is the problem of not declaring war first? :O ...

@JoeJackaboa Жыл бұрын

32:30 onwards Montu past bedtime

@amarktho Жыл бұрын

I feel like Switzerspace was a missed opportunity

@ace_the_race9340 Жыл бұрын

Glory unto Mankind!

@taari1 Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the obligatory Jeff appearance.

@trap631 Жыл бұрын

Not me this being how I play most of my games 💀

@kbfrancis7092 Жыл бұрын

I frequently play with "Pacifist," and somehow end up with the most powerful fleet in the galaxy.

@letsplaysvonaja1714 Жыл бұрын

ngl, I rarely do much conquest anyways XD I'm too busy managing the economy and expanding into the space I already own

@art-games6230 Жыл бұрын

Killing the xenos is the thing that makes stellaris what it is, no alien is good, except maybe bubbles

@archieloughlin2670 Жыл бұрын

I don't even like stellaris but i really enjoyed this video

@DawezyDRK Жыл бұрын

"Australia" Class Colony ship .. you think the Devs meme'd that combination of ship class and name in? 😅🤔

@citizenzero5437 Жыл бұрын

When can you show off new dlc?

@MontuPlays Жыл бұрын

Monday 6pm EU time

@vicdex7387 Жыл бұрын

Try it alone, or with vassals instead of allies. Space Rome instead of Space Switzerland. Stellaris current war system is terrible, regarding compulsory participation in allies' wars and the impossibility to negociate peace separately.

@seamusthatsthedog4819 3 ай бұрын

If I had a dollar for every time a fallen empire declared war on some vassal of one of my federation's member halfway across the galaxy and I was unable to make peace for the next 100 year or so, I'd have about 3 dollars or so. Which isn't much but it's extremely fucking annoying.