Sterling S11: Donkey in a Thoroughbred Race

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In the 1960s, the Sterling company began to worry about the prospects of continued sales of the Sterling (Patchett) SMG, especially in light of new competitors like the H&K MP5. Its chief design engineer, Frank Waters, created the S11 as a gun to replace the classic Sterling. The S11 was based on a simple stamped/folded steel receiver, and was intended to have a lower unit cost that the Sterling. It kept the excellent Patchett magazine, but had a barrel and sights offset to the left side, and offered two separate bayonet lugs - one for the No5 rifle and one for the L1A1/FAL.
Unfortunately for Sterling, it was determined that the tooling cost would have made the S11 actually more expensive that the existing guns, whose tooling costs had been long since covered. Also, the S11 was just not a very good or very reliable design - a "donkey in a thoroughbred race" to quote one Sterling manager. This one prototype was the only example ever made, and the project was shelved in 1967 in favor of expanding into more civilian models of the original Sterling.
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@RedXlV 5 жыл бұрын

The MP5 might have taken away a lot of Sterling's customers, but H&K was never able to secure that lucrative Galactic Empire contract.

@quentinchambon9362 5 жыл бұрын

It do indeed look like a E-11

@XanderTuron 5 жыл бұрын

@@quentinchambon9362 It's almost as if the E-11 props were Sterling SMGs.

@MandalorV7 5 жыл бұрын

@@XanderTuron Stormtroopers never used the folding butt stock. That's why they are poor shots.

@terranempire2 5 жыл бұрын

Jacob Clark Nore the duel laser bayonets

@rays5073 5 жыл бұрын

They did get in on the scoundrel market though

@vulpes1446 4 жыл бұрын

English Army: We need a high performance submachi- Sterling: D U A L B A Y O N E T

@andrewmoore7022 4 жыл бұрын

@War Zone they're actually have in a few designs similar to that they just don't work very well and are typically restricted to a small not very effective caliber

@TheHeavyModd 4 жыл бұрын

@War Zone like the one Squall has in Final Fantasy?

@blakekenley1000 4 жыл бұрын

@War Zone it's called an Arisaka 😂😂😂

@josephmontanaro2350 4 жыл бұрын

*loud bagpipe noises and screaming*

@gustavgnoettgen 4 жыл бұрын

@@josephmontanaro2350 *bagpipe noises **_and loud screaming_*

@ManDuderGuy 4 жыл бұрын

"They made one." This thing's forgotten as fuck.

@ricojes 3 жыл бұрын

It should be the mascot for this channel then lol.

@edwinalexis593 4 ай бұрын

Hellriegel is even more forgotten There was just a pic of it

@jameskoch9567 4 жыл бұрын

Ian: "And the barrel is also offset for no particular reason." Gun Designer, years earlier, walking in on his wife sleeping with a left-handed man

@leafbone1 4 жыл бұрын

Don't be silly, if it was down the middle it would have missed the ejector on strip down, giving no reason to piss about with a hard to access screw in battle conditions🙄

@betwixtX 4 жыл бұрын

its off center for balance

@colbeausabre8842 4 жыл бұрын

You caught it, too....it's my belief that any weapon that requires a tool to field strip it is poorly designed

@michaelcrockis7679 4 жыл бұрын

@@colbeausabre8842 It's just a prototype issue. Would be fixed in serial items.

@badlandskid 4 жыл бұрын

Barrel is offset in order for the side bayonet to be fixed.

@h.plovecat4307 5 жыл бұрын

"Gentlemen, we can rebuild him...But we don't want to spend too much.."

@rileydavidson207 4 жыл бұрын

"we can build him better. Stronger, faster, more reliable... But that would cost to much so let's just not do it"

@TrollOfReason 4 жыл бұрын

The 1100 dollar man!

@bastionunitb7388 4 жыл бұрын

We also lack the technology

@Gussyboy06 4 жыл бұрын

"We have the technology, we have the money, but we don't want to spend that much"

@jeromelawson7782 3 жыл бұрын

Peter Griffin, the $300 man

@twentylush 4 жыл бұрын

Thank god, i was tired of my bayonet running out of ammo

@onebritishboi9892 4 жыл бұрын

Hehe

@tristanperciful6609 4 жыл бұрын

Destiny players: (;-;)

@Thy_Boss 3 жыл бұрын

All right, boys, ready for your *S U B M A C H I N E G U N C H A R G E*

@ther6sshieldmain937 3 жыл бұрын

"well achtualli, thueh bladche wuldchcsnrap, not rhun oucht of ammo"

@braveworld2707 23 күн бұрын

I worked with a Pom in Australia who fought in Korea and he didn't like that war. Stuck his bayonet into an enemy and it got jammed in his ribs so bad he couldn't pull it out and had to leave it embodied so to speak. The _didn't like_ part comes from him being charged for losing his bayonet and had to pay 15/- (shillings) for a replacement. 25 or 26 years after the event and he was still unhappy with that.

@2MeterLP 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine telling your engineers to come up with a competitor to the MP5 and they bring you this. Probably no christmas bonuses that year.

@ZealothPL 2 жыл бұрын

It really looks like first years student first project he kinda forgot about until a week before deadline lol

@george2113 11 ай бұрын

So the Uzi was later?

@CrizzyEyes 3 ай бұрын

"best I can do is a side-loading Uzi with a big knife on it"

@jghutta 4 жыл бұрын

"Mr. Waters, are two bayonets really necessary?" Waters: "Yes, it'll help get the point across!"

@hawk6111 4 жыл бұрын

10/10 sir

@pd4165 4 жыл бұрын

Da-boom-tish

@colbeausabre8842 4 жыл бұрын

It balances the weight of the offset barrel

@ziliestarrive 4 жыл бұрын

@Jesus Christ thank you for letting us know

@lazorr3260 4 жыл бұрын

Take your damn upvote

@Calvin_Coolage 5 жыл бұрын

This is the firearms equivalent of that English paper you write all of 2 hours before it's due.

@Roshake77 5 жыл бұрын

Ok, so if I add two bayonet lugs maybe they won't notice that the barrel is not in the middle

@charleswindsor7835 5 жыл бұрын

@Calvin_Coolage ahh now i see where i went wrong with my education

@AnonOmis1000 5 жыл бұрын

I mean, to be fair, this was experimental. Your first draft never looks as good as the final.

@Calvin_Coolage 5 жыл бұрын

@@AnonOmis1000 Perhaps, but if your first draft looks like this it's probably time to go back to the drawingboard.

@AnonOmis1000 5 жыл бұрын

@@Calvin_Coolage which is what they did.

@tws1man582 5 жыл бұрын

Everyone gangster till a mad man runs at you with two bayonets on the same gun

@vattmann1387 5 жыл бұрын

Only upgrade I can see is attaching a Gurkha and a couple of kukris to it

@soumyajyotimukherjee4752 5 жыл бұрын

@@vattmann1387 that would be bad. Bayonets are straight for a reason. You wield it like a spear. Kukri is for slashing.. Though it might work with a one handed gun, like a sidearm

@kirbyis4ever 5 жыл бұрын

@@soumyajyotimukherjee4752 You have to think outside the box, with a curved blade your gun turns into a glaive instead of a spear! With two bayonet lugs you can choose to slash in two different directions, or slash AND stab!

@clmwrx 5 жыл бұрын

Halbred smg

@clmwrx 5 жыл бұрын

Funded.

@eriolhiiragizawa729 4 жыл бұрын

GAU-8 Avenger engineers: "We need a plane on a gun!" Sterling S11 engineers: "We need a gun for our Bayonets!"

@bthsr7113 4 жыл бұрын

The A-10 is a beloved CAS aircraft, unless you're its target, this thing...

@Alpostpone 4 жыл бұрын

@@bthsr7113 Some ideas are better than others.

@cheyannei5983 3 жыл бұрын

GAU-8 only has around 80mm penetration at combat ranges, tanks have more to fear from the MANY precision munitions the A-10 carries. Fortunately, with the advent of IFV's, there's a new generation of vehicles on the battlefield completely defenseless against GAU-8.

@austinm.9832 3 жыл бұрын

@@cheyannei5983 don't forget the top armor on tanks is a lot thinner.

@cheyannei5983 3 жыл бұрын

@@austinm.9832 I'm not. Don't forget that even the roof has a spall liner and the rounds aren't coming in straight up and down, either. Active protection systems further defang poor old A-10... though many can't reach up towards the sky, being little more than an alternative for vehicles too light to mount N/ERA.

@iamzid 4 жыл бұрын

i remember someone told me once, "just because something's rare doesn't mean it's better, it just mean's that there's less of them."

@pd4165 4 жыл бұрын

Think about those pretty English villages with half timbered houses. So historical! What really happened was the village used to be important enough to have grand houses - but then the village failed economically and wasn't worth improving, so they left the old houses alone. Go somewhere successful - new everywhere, except where the old stuff makes a massive profit by attracting visitors. That sounds like a massive tangent but the principle stands - useless old things are best kept to show the future where we went wrong. And charge them for the lesson :-)

@iamzid 4 жыл бұрын

@@pd4165 I feel like you must have replied to the wrong person or something, because that doesn't really apply to what I said.

@rays5163 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but this has two bayonets

@kameronjones7139 4 жыл бұрын

@@pd4165 you replied to the wrong person

@scottyj6226 3 жыл бұрын

Like a rare disease

@Poorgeniu5 5 жыл бұрын

If this were to be a Borderlands weapon, it'll certainly add 200% melee damage.

@ZeroGravity935 4 жыл бұрын

And manufactured by Bandit

@GabrielWarlock 4 жыл бұрын

Even 400% melee damage

@TemptationsEnd 4 жыл бұрын

*insert, that's a lot of damage! meme*

@NullElemental 4 жыл бұрын

@@TemptationsEnd terrible terrible damage

@rag3ac334 4 жыл бұрын

@gregoryfilin8040 5 жыл бұрын

"There's no particular reason why" just about sums this gun up perfectly.

@damiangrouse4564 3 жыл бұрын

I was left with the empty feeling that both bayonets should have been tried on for our benefit. To be clear...at the same time.

@ootdega 3 жыл бұрын

They are in the thumbnail. i.ytimg.com/vi/BZ3zvE8qcq8/hqdefault.jpg

@damiangrouse4564 3 жыл бұрын

ootdega Thanks you’re right! Just would like to have seen it done live video.👍

@Thy_Boss 3 жыл бұрын

Perfect for engaging 5th-dimensional invaders from Universe X

@keithklassen5320 3 жыл бұрын

@@Thy_Boss The ones with two hearts.

@MediumRareOpinions 2 жыл бұрын

If your desire goes yet unfulfilled, do check out the Video by Jonathan on the Royal Armories channel, you won't be disappointed.

@EPWillard 4 жыл бұрын

"at least on this one" he says with the only one in existence

@iraizsanchez7292 4 жыл бұрын

It replace the sten so that means there's more than one dude

@austinm.9832 4 жыл бұрын

@@iraizsanchez7292 what, no, he said that they made only one in the very beginning.

@Sip_Dhit 4 жыл бұрын

@@iraizsanchez7292 they made one of these, the gun that replaced the sten was the sterling (the starwars blaster) this is the failed attempt at its update

@drunkanite8272 4 жыл бұрын

@@iraizsanchez7292 Ian: The S2 replaced the STEN gun. This gun was a failed upgrade, so there is only one. Iraiz: *forgets to smart* MAnY s11 aRe eXIst

@rafalemiec8683 5 жыл бұрын

2 bayonets at once... and one might have wondered why it was the Brits who came up with Warhammer 40k and its shenanigans.

@roguereaver634 5 жыл бұрын

One for the heretics, one for the xenos!

@PvtMartin78 5 жыл бұрын

For killing astartes.

@REX-gq6ur 5 жыл бұрын

*Stab him before he bleeds on the models!* Japanese guy: AyyyEEEEEEEAAAAAH!!!

@isaacburrows8405 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheRealColBosch god is there one witcher player that doesn't have the game as 80% of their identity?

@Web720 5 жыл бұрын

@@isaacburrows8405 you can say the same with WH players.

@ROGUE-Two-Actual 5 жыл бұрын

Sterling SMG on "Very low" graphics settings

@heehoohehehe1267 4 жыл бұрын

This comment is seriously underappreciated

@justincarrasco3680 4 жыл бұрын

Peter: “What would you do if you had a million dollars?” Lawrence: “I tell ya what I’d do, man. Two bayonets at the same time, man.”

@justincarrasco3680 4 жыл бұрын

Onkel Pappkov Yup!

@chrisreid5272 3 жыл бұрын

Dead eyed stared after he says it lol

@RyeOnHam 3 жыл бұрын

Barrel is offset for two reasons: 1) to line the sights up with the eye with such a large, wide stock 2) so that recoil is in line with the longitudinal center of mass that is effected by the magazine on the side. This should negate the tendency of the gun to 'climb' to the right under recoil. My opinion is that if you were to place a half-loaded magazine in the gun, you could balance the weapon on its muzzle.

@Thy_Boss 3 жыл бұрын

Could be... but I’d point out that if a design for a SMG offsets the 1) barrel, to fix the 2) sights because of 3) the stock and 4) the magazine, the designer may have forgotten, out of 1, 2, 3 and 4, which is the part a soldier points at the enemy to do the whole “gun” thing the gun is supposed to do. This wasn’t meant for the job of a Bren in WWII, after all.

@mattyates8501 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, dumb as it may be... I think the barrel was placed there to allow for that jungle carbine bayonet. Why they didn't make the gun narrower (or literally any other solution) is beyond me

@russellking9762 2 жыл бұрын

built in Kentucky windage is what it is

@RailgunCyclops 5 жыл бұрын

So the Empire contracted Sterling for their E-11 blasters

@irtazaazam2573 4 жыл бұрын

No wonder stormtroopers cant hit anything.

@NexusDex 4 жыл бұрын

They should have kept the knifes xD

@simonh6371 3 жыл бұрын

@@Shakezulla WWII not WWI

@Stefan-Astro-Art 3 жыл бұрын

@@simonh6371 well the Lewis is also in the original, that gun was used in WW1

@CrizzyEyes 3 жыл бұрын

@@Stefan-Astro-Art The C96 is in there as well (Han Solo's blaster), it was used in WW1 I believe.

@JudgeLazar 5 жыл бұрын

The second bayonet was added after many Imperial storm trooper casualties were caused by missing stabs at point blank range.

@potatoradio 5 жыл бұрын

Its got 1 lower down for ewoks ...

@hcctendeep7047 4 жыл бұрын

@@garymitchell5899 let them, star wars used a lot of sterlings as the base for the blasters.

@leeboy29680-ol7gf 4 жыл бұрын

@@garymitchell5899 some one who cant pass a joke they dont like on youtube without being a bitch, how.....well you know

@dillonpatterson4310 3 жыл бұрын

"They had an excellent reputation." Come on you missed an easy Sterling reputation there.

@jeromelawson7782 3 жыл бұрын

Somebody discovered LSD earlier than the other gun engineers.

@Thy_Boss 3 жыл бұрын

“Barrel in line with grip, sights in line with barrel... it’s a _prison,_ Procurement Man! _Free your mind!!”_

@vDullahan 5 жыл бұрын

Donkey in a Thoroughbred Race is quite possibly the best thing I've read this year.

@mazkact 5 жыл бұрын

Ya know on "The Walton's" John Boy won a race against Thoroughbreds riding a Mule(not a donkey I know) albeit a race in mountainous and wooded terrain :)

@matthewspencer5086 5 жыл бұрын

There's a song about this sort of thing: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m5x6gNmotLjcXYU.html

@BunnyTVS 5 жыл бұрын

@@matthewspencer5086 Love a little Rusby, but I was expecting OG Val kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y5d_mcuZmJbQp4U.html

@SlimRhyno 5 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I feel like a donkey in a thoroughbred race... And sometimes I feel like a thoroughbred in a donkey race. Oh, life.

@irenerivera4827 5 жыл бұрын

Slim Rhyno I also choose this guys throroughbred

@ENCHANTMEN_ 5 жыл бұрын

"Fix bayonets!" "But commissar, we already fixed bayonets!" *BLAM* "FIX BAYONETS"

@hanz2904 5 жыл бұрын

Lol

@connormclernon26 4 жыл бұрын

ENCHANTMEN For Cadia!

@SoundBoy808 4 жыл бұрын

Fix MORE bayonets!

@Ddnmddnn 4 жыл бұрын

Cadia stand

@Zippity181 4 жыл бұрын

"Fix bayonets" "Fixing bayonet" "No, I said bayonets..."

@ldobehardcore 3 жыл бұрын

The finish is blistering my eyes. But I can see how it'd be good for keeping grippy when you drop it on the floor of the Vaseline factory.

@warrenharrison9490 3 жыл бұрын

Need the added grip after all the blood from the dual bayonets...😉

@asherhockersmith8271 3 жыл бұрын

Nick Shabazz would be proud.

@Colyo62 3 жыл бұрын

"... the guy behind the design of the SAR-80 rifles" "uh oh"

@neruneri 3 жыл бұрын

SAR-80, not SA-80. I don't know if the SAR-80 rifle is bad, but I suspect it's fine since it's basically just an AR-18 variant as far as I can tell. Waters was NOT involved in the atrocity that was the SA-80 (the bullpup that doesn't work).

@TrueFlameslinger 3 жыл бұрын

@@neruneri Well, at least the A2 variant of it is fairly good

@AleK0451 3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueFlameslinger thanks hk

@danbell3827 2 жыл бұрын

@@AleK0451 They funny thing is, while HK fixed the guns issues, they really didn't change that much. Most of their improvements simply involved changing alloys or heat treatments for parts that failed, or making extremely small adjustments. The A1 was almost a really good gun, they just couldn't quite figure out how to fine tune it. The core design works just fine

@AleK0451 2 жыл бұрын

@@danbell3827 i know, it's a nato gun so in theory it would literally just be a bullpup ar15 or something along those lines which as long as it isn't literally a converted bullpup ar15 should work fine, they just had no idea what materials to use and how to make those small adjustments

@roguereaver634 5 жыл бұрын

It looks like the neglected love child of a Sterling and an Uzi

@madquack6449 5 жыл бұрын

that what I was thinking too.

@StanislavG. 5 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you have unprotected gay sex...

@sidewinder666666 5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking more along the lines of the red-headed bastard step-child, but..... eh.

@fadedjate7230 5 жыл бұрын

The Sterling Dad left to go get cigarettes. And the Uzi mama just could not even.

@sonofdrjekyll 4 жыл бұрын

Snuzi

@Roshake77 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, the charging handle is in the way of the sights, maybe we should cut a hole in it or move it to the side Nah fam lets just move the rest of the gun to the side

@YouTubeDeletesComments 5 жыл бұрын

They moved the Gun, and not the Sights? LOL

@B3RyL 5 жыл бұрын

This is Britain. Here, there are two taps on each sink, the bus stops are listed in alphabetical order, and black leggings are the height of fashion. What did you expect from their firearms industry? Logic?

@redwolfexr 5 жыл бұрын

looked obvious to me, they moved it offset because they wanted to use the rifle bayonet on it and centered the barrel was too far away. As soon as that bayonet clicked home and it was a perfect fit...

@nikitakindon4256 4 жыл бұрын

Miłosz Skowroński well if this place is so bad why don’t you go back to where you came from

@redwolfexr 4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was only in the US they used that "right-think or go home" line of crazy...

@NgocLe-yi2pf 4 жыл бұрын

The engineers of this gun be like: "There's something wrong with those firearms out there ya know, they're way too symmetrical!"

@ukgun1 3 жыл бұрын

As a British soldier serving in the Gulf war and equipped with the Sterling SMG, I was approached by a US marine who offered a straight swap for his m16 because he recognised it from star wars, obviously I had to decline...we in the British military are far too professional to do that sort of thing! It made me laugh though

@UziIdiot 5 жыл бұрын

2 Bayonets on an SMG 2 Taps on a sink BRITISH ENGINEERING 🇬🇧

@Dom-J 5 жыл бұрын

Except 2 taps makes sense one hot, one cold. At least to me but I'm British so...

@Max-fb5bm 5 жыл бұрын

@@Dom-J 2 taps makes sense in every way possible, this man's joke was just stupid and braindead as a pebble

@immikeurnot 5 жыл бұрын

@@Dom-J What do you do when you want to run water that isn't either ice cold or scalding hot? Me, an American, I just turn on the hot a little and the cold a little and get warm water to wash my hands in. Ahh, the luxury of not being in the UK. I can wash my hands in water that's exactly the temperature I want, among other things.

@Dom-J 5 жыл бұрын

@@immikeurnot You turn both taps on at once. Sounds silly but you use the amount of each to sort the temperature. Like lots of hot + some cold = hot water that's good for washing hands in. To you this may sound ludicrous to you, but I have never had issues with it.

@nicksande6880 5 жыл бұрын

German here and we have them too sometime, i prefer them, then again we also love to drive stick/manual so....

@muiz8802 5 жыл бұрын

*Sees thumbnail* Attachment unlock: Dual Bayonet Description: Increase melee range by 75%. "What better than a one bayonet. TWO BAYONET. One for you and one for your MOTHER!" - Random Japanese guy

@robgoodsight6216 5 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahah!

@AlexanderSilver1996 5 жыл бұрын

got me

@michalwilk4748 5 жыл бұрын

Sound like the description of a borderland gun

@MrBioniclefan1 5 жыл бұрын

michal wilk true

@iaial0 5 жыл бұрын

@@michalwilk4748 Bandit SMGs happen to generate with TWO bayonets

@Zeppelinfaktor 4 жыл бұрын

It’s nice to see a company actually kill a project rather than forge ahead with a terrible idea that is bound to be a failure.

@a.k8185 Жыл бұрын

*stares in zip.22*

@loomspace 4 жыл бұрын

All of the beautifully crafted antique weapons I've seen him review, and this sheet metal crinkle finish brute is the first I see the white gloves!

@pd4165 4 жыл бұрын

What you saw WAS a beautifully hand crafted antique (kind of) weapon. It's a one off - even using cheap materials it's mind bogglingly expensive to make a prototype - to make something that fires full auto at all is an achievement beyond the scope of hand crafted single shot crap with chequering and gold plating BS. Think of a Ford Fiesta. Make one and it would be hand made and the price of a Ferrari (more expensive - a lot of Ferrari parts are hand made because mass producing things costs millions...spread over the production run). Make millions and an ordinary person can afford one. Even with a crackle finish there are lots of exposed parts that need protecting from human touch - it's a one off and the aim is to conserve it FOREVER, not have fingerprints that would need cleaning off (friction and/or chemical cleaning - both eroding the metal). It may not be pretty but it's unique.

@universate5332 4 жыл бұрын

@@pd4165 do you think he read your reply?

@Predator20357 3 жыл бұрын

Universate I don’t know if he did, but it’s not that long

@warrenharrison9490 3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@shtf3088 3 жыл бұрын

Ian doesn't want to cut his fingers on the crude finish.

@andyrihn1 5 жыл бұрын

Two bayonets...for making the enemy more deaderer

@ichijiroo 5 жыл бұрын

Deadier?

@panzerlamb9196 5 жыл бұрын

Deadester

@HansLasser 5 жыл бұрын

Is it like multi bladed razors?

@qwertyqwerty6099 5 жыл бұрын

For even fillets!

@Brandelwyn 4 жыл бұрын

The deadest

@iLano79 5 жыл бұрын

Can't lie, I watched because of dual bayonets. Solid clickbait thumbnail Ian Lol

@nextlifeonearth 4 жыл бұрын

Well, it has two mounts for bayonets. Gotta admit that's pretty weird.

@roxasparks 4 жыл бұрын

Same

@casinodelonge 4 жыл бұрын

I had an impressive stoppage with a Sterling once when a round lodged itself sideways across the breech. I've no idea if this was common but I was impressed.

@Thy_Boss 3 жыл бұрын

“But with S11’s Dual-Bayonet System®, you’re fully prepared, as your single stopped weapon becomes two swords at once!”

@keithdurose7057 3 ай бұрын

It wasn't that uncommon in the British Army. For training purposes, some 9mm was bought from India or Pakistan. It was known to be substandard but very cheap. Inconsistent powder in the cartridges caused these weak ejections. The Radway Green ammo didn't have this problem. I'm also glad that the L2A3 was adopted and not this hedgehog version!

@TH3L33TM3XICAN 4 жыл бұрын

Damn. He click baited me with that thumbnail, I wanted to see this puppy with bayonets on it.

@jc6226 3 жыл бұрын

so you claim got clickbaited and then you didn't watch it?

@TH3L33TM3XICAN 3 жыл бұрын

J C ????? I watched the whole thing. I was just sad to not see the bayonet on the gun.

@Cowinspace 5 жыл бұрын

I would guess that the offset barrel was there to accommodate the bayonet.

@paulc2886 5 жыл бұрын

I suspect that it is there to reduce the angle/distance between the magazine lips and the chamber. They need a substantial bolt to keep the chamber closed for blowback, and therefore needed the width, but a central chamber would have made feeding problematic. I can see the sense in what they were trying to do - keep the angle the same as the L2A1

@milybanily 5 жыл бұрын

Paul C That was my first belive, but if you want a heavier bolt there are 2 way wider or longer. Adding one inch in length would have cure asymmetrical..... Who knows..

@yvindalexanderfrivold 5 жыл бұрын

@@paulc2886 maybe it is to balance the gun against the magazine

@TheWolfsnack 5 жыл бұрын

my guess is that it was designed by a committee....

@SgtKOnyx 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds possible

@AlexanderSilver1996 5 жыл бұрын

An English SMG with unexplained and pointless design choices? It must have secretly been built in Birmingham

@s4mur41RPG 4 жыл бұрын

What makes you say that 😂

@masonsykes2240 4 жыл бұрын

I'd say it has a point. Two of them, in fact.

@xXxKAMIKAZExXx 4 жыл бұрын

It’s sad how accurate this is.

@StoopidAnimul 4 жыл бұрын

"Cheap, reliable, lightweight, and incredibly fast reload speeds. Tediore makes an easy to use gun!"

@georgemorley1029 2 жыл бұрын

“What about a bayonet?” “You’ve already had it!” “We’ve had one, yes. What about second bayonet?” “I don’t think he knows about second bayonet, Pip.”

@justanotherrandomfilipino9018 5 жыл бұрын

Sterling S-11: **exists** Japanese Soldier: **HEAVY BREATHING**

@thesturm8686 5 жыл бұрын

* burithingu

@h2o2go141 5 жыл бұрын

"Oh no, the MP5 threatens our market! Clearly, the response to this new premium firearm that threatens our market is an esoteric uzi clone!

@Gebunator 4 жыл бұрын

I bet the S11 stands for "SHit, it's 11 PM and I've to turn in the design tomorrow!"

@matthuckabey007 4 жыл бұрын

It is a privilege being able to view these treasures alongside your outstanding knowledge of the machining and history associated with each design. Thank you so much for putting this series at such a high quality standard and for everything you do for this artform.

@tilobidaLP 5 жыл бұрын

I can't help but think that most submachineguns of the time look so antiquated in comparison to the MP5.

@gregoryfilin8040 5 жыл бұрын

The Germans, Russians, and Americans have always been big on innovation. The germans are the only ones constantly innovating and actually developing new concepts. Which is why everyone loves them with their guns.

@alexanderstrickland9036 5 жыл бұрын

To be fair smgs are not nearly as adequate for purpose as they used to be. PDWS with fancy ammo and assault rifles take their place. They’re still cool but they’re a innovative dead end(for now)

@coolsenjoyer 5 жыл бұрын

MP5 just looks fancier than most SMGs of the time because it's basically a scaled down G3.

@gregoryfilin8040 5 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderstrickland9036 that does make sense. SMG's were phased out by assault rifles.

@gregoryfilin8040 5 жыл бұрын

@@coolsenjoyer right. A more advanced system on a more simple firearm. That's kinda what a PDW is.

@scooty6520 5 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of when you see that truck that someone decided to cover in bed-liner.

@WILSON-tc4bb 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and goes down the road crooked and only runs on 5 cylinders lol

@korbetthein3072 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, that's pretty impressive for a four cylinder engine!

@justicemoody6429 5 жыл бұрын

Star Wars imperial blaster

@Daksys- 4 жыл бұрын

This wonderful trainwreck of a gun reminds me of the line "Just because you're unique doesn't mean you're useful"

@royalirishranger1931 3 жыл бұрын

I used the old Stirling on operations and it never let me down, I liked it. It could be a little dodgy on the safety side. I even fired it at Bisley with some success.

@stephennelson4954 5 жыл бұрын

Oh cool! Didn't realize Ian was looking at a BlasTech E-11 with optional expanded tibanna gas canister!

@potatoradio 5 жыл бұрын

And option for ewok (low) or wookie (high) bayonets

@marzcapone9939 5 жыл бұрын

Once the MP5 came out, what else could Sterling have produced? Ah, ours has two bayonets!

@dylancarroll4623 5 жыл бұрын

All it needs now it a cup holder and it will be perfect.

@thearousedeunuch 3 жыл бұрын

Have one made to fit the bayonet assembly.

@thomassmith7451 4 жыл бұрын

I suspect that the offset barrel allowed the operator to partially break down the weapon and insert a hot dog or tamale into the frame recess in front of the bolt / rear barrel mounting bulkhead allowing the gunman to heat his lunch during combat.

@Argonak1 4 жыл бұрын

It was hotdogs, everyone knows hotdog grease is as good as gun oil.

@mellonbread 5 жыл бұрын

British Military: Mum, can we get an MP5? Sterling: No, we have an SMG at home The SMG at home:

@LowEndMarauder 4 жыл бұрын

Like when I asked my dad for a skateboard when I was a kid and he offered to take the handle off my scooter lol

@isaacdepaula2103 4 жыл бұрын

@@LowEndMarauder Well, it worked on Back to the Future, so your dad is not 100% wrong, stonks

@LowEndMarauder 4 жыл бұрын

@@isaacdepaula2103 haha thats very true I forgot about that scene

@redrb26dett 4 жыл бұрын

The empire likes them so they must be good

@PinkFlyingNarwhal 4 жыл бұрын

@Judge Dredd ok boomer

@mattleeson7279 5 жыл бұрын

I did my work experience at the Leeds Royal Armouries, the amount of guns they have in storage is unbelievable.

@mattleeson7279 5 жыл бұрын

@@ejmuerterisefromthedead8924 some very unique and rare stuff but also rack after rack of Lee Enfield SMLE's. Some interesting walking stick guns if i remember correctly. Way too many to have o display. Worth a visit if you get a chance.

@bigguy1164 3 жыл бұрын

"Gee Nigel, why does your mom let you have TWO bayonets?"

@neilfurby555 4 жыл бұрын

Probably the best researched, presented and narrated series on KZfaq. Full of interest, even if one lives in places like the UK where firearms are such a maligned engineering/historical/sporting topic. And a masterful presenter. Never a bad episode. Great stuff! Thank you.

@argenti3609 5 жыл бұрын

Gun Jesus has brought us another strange firearm. Blessed be this gun

@nickjohnson710 5 жыл бұрын

🙏

@JohnnyBurnes 5 жыл бұрын

Definitely looks cursed. #thoughtsandprayers

@camelthegamer7165 5 жыл бұрын

Nah, man, this gun went straight to gun hell, where the only rounds are blanks!

@AK_Respecter 5 жыл бұрын

Put both bayonets on at the same time!

@jacobbrown1407 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like he did that in the thumbnail

@BleedingUranium 5 жыл бұрын

I wish we had a full size picture of it. :(

@joevidya 5 жыл бұрын

@@jacobbrown1407 That's illegal

@planescaped 4 жыл бұрын

@@BleedingUranium Probably is one over on forgottenweapons.com

@metalsurgeon9196 2 жыл бұрын

I like the unique action of the stock. Seems pretty solid and doesn't almost catch on the weapon like others that swing from under.

@adamcoleman4001 2 жыл бұрын

What a beauty-thanks for all your great content Ian

@AsbestosMuffins 5 жыл бұрын

I know 4 out of 5 bond villains preferred the sterling smg in its day

@bb5242 5 жыл бұрын

Bond fired a Sterling in more than one film.

@nicholasbreecher9315 5 жыл бұрын

That and Calypso handguns (They're absurd US guns, look into it you'll love it)

@johannesruf5903 5 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasbreecher9315 Maybe you mean Calico? No such thing as a Calypso gun...

@baronoflivonia.3512 4 жыл бұрын

Sten was in Dr. No.

@highsocks5914 5 жыл бұрын

8:35 from this perspective, i get the feeling the double bayonet feature was the main cause of the barrel offset...

@pjnoonan1423 4 жыл бұрын

Or maybe it has something to do with the feed mechanism?

@aubrey_d 3 жыл бұрын

@@pjnoonan1423 Thats what I was thinking. Maybe with the form factor they wanted, the weight they needed on the bolt, they couldnt make the receiver thinner so, to use the Patchet magazine with that thick a receiver they had to offset the barrel? Thats like one of the only reasons I could think of, and its very likely false, I just cant think of why else.

@unbearifiedbear1885 3 жыл бұрын

*Gun Jesus:* _"It's a donkey in a thoroughbred race."_ *Me:* D U A L B A Y O N E T

@andrewkerr4965 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating walk through. 👍

@charlesadams1721 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like mid-60’s British industrial design. The goal was to build a competitor to an elegant competitor, by cheapening an excellent design we, Sterling, already produce. So well take design elements from all sorts of places, with little thought to unity of design though, apparently from a committee of blokes walking by the conference room. They took design elements from the UZI and Mac-10, stuff in their own shop, etc. Someone with pull had to think the charging handle needed to be mounted so as to accommodate right and left hand.

@turbografx16 5 жыл бұрын

Its like the Morris Marina or Reliant Robin of British SMGs

@MrGrimsmith 5 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately very much a st5aple of British engineering. When we get it right it's generally two blokes in a shed or a single person leading the way. When we get it wrong it's usually because a comittee was involved and they didn't understand the concept of "Cheap, fast, good. Pick two" but insisted it had to be possible to have all three.

@charlesadams1721 5 жыл бұрын

MrGrimsmith understood, but I think the Brits often add.... odd or weird.

@charlesadams1721 5 жыл бұрын

iatsd; wait, US vehicles of the 1960’s weren’t bad, now the 70’s were absolutely unadulterated, crap.

@zupperm 5 жыл бұрын

I bet one guy designed the magazine well and other the receiver. When they found out the magazine wouldnt feed with the barrel in the centre they said bolliocks and just bodged it.

@Pprokop87 5 жыл бұрын

"Hey, You know how to reckognize a british sordier? Yeah. WW2 ended, and they still have magazines standing horizontaly."

@erikrungemadsen2081 3 жыл бұрын

Hey it works for the Gurkhas.

@jackaubrey8614 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, if you're under fire and want to get REALLY down in the dirt.... don't knock it - it really works well (the Stirling SMG, not this thing!).

@koekiejam18 3 жыл бұрын

Thats true, ive wondered about this for quite some time but i think ian told the basic benefits to where the magazine is: topfeed is for better reliability (but the magazine gets in the way of the sights), side feed good for easily getting as low on the ground as possible (but ofcourse the guns center of gravity is quite shifted to the side) and then bottom feed which gives you a gun which has the center of gravity in the middle but it does get in the way when going prone and has a little less reliability

@naeemsarwarmirza835 3 жыл бұрын

@@jackaubrey8614 so does a kalash and its infinitely more functional than the hot garbage that was the sterling

@TortillaChip521 3 жыл бұрын

@@naeemsarwarmirza835 right? Why didn’t those dummies in WWII just use m16’s?!??

@georgerobartes2008 Жыл бұрын

The reason why its off centre is to reduce the magazine to barrel breech jump distance that had caused feed issues on the Sten . Sterling survived on the SMG and the AR 18 / AR180 rifle ( another pressed metal design in black wrinkle high temperature paint ) eventually closing the Dagenham plant in the 80 s after the failure of the 9mm /38 dual calibre revolver they hoped would be adopted by the UK police forces and change in UK legislation for civilian ownership of semi auto rifles , although the AR180 was notably absent from our ranges before then . Frank went on to produce high quality air rifles in a unit not far from the original works in Rainham Road .

@starlettmassacre5790 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely beautiful. So primitive yet elegant in design.

@johnblackstone5261 5 жыл бұрын

UZI? Glock? PM63? Sten Gun? 2 Bayonets? Yes all in one.

@AreGeeBee 5 жыл бұрын

Metal Gear?

@Qtiptheburninator 4 жыл бұрын

@@AreGeeBee No, a weapon to surpass even that...

@lordemarsh6804 4 жыл бұрын

Your display picture...aint that the dude who shot himself?

@Falkuria 5 жыл бұрын

no wonder the Empire liked it so much.... even Darth sideous and Vader bought the design for ther E-11

@user-wx3wc4bo7c 3 жыл бұрын

Old episodes remind me of the before times ..better content than the history channel these days...

@alexm566 Жыл бұрын

Old? This is from 2019

@sirwoollyjumper4893 4 жыл бұрын

Love the way the stock unfolds on this, I’m not gonna lie.

@thedarkzibba7059 5 жыл бұрын

Galactic empire wants to know your location

@1r0zz 5 жыл бұрын

Is this gun the base for star wars blasters?

@99thJediWarrior 5 жыл бұрын

Ikr. It looks so much like the Stormtrooper rifle from Star Wars.

@michaelfodor6280 5 жыл бұрын

@@99thJediWarrior Close, Lucas used the L2A1 Stirling as the base for the Blastech E-11. If you check the weapons used in Star Wars you'll recognize a lot of actual firearms being used. Lucas did it to give the blasters an air of being real and well used. Which works well in my opinion.

@99thJediWarrior 5 жыл бұрын

@@michaelfodor6280 Yea I remember that the MG34 (or 42) was used for Chewbacca's rifle from Empire Strikes Back (not the bowcaster)and I think it was used for the bigger blasters that the Stormtroopers used. You can tell from the stock and grip on it as well.

@butterfinger4393 5 жыл бұрын

It would be cool to see this as the new blaster

@robert36902 5 жыл бұрын

I love how guns are meant to be taken apart so we can see how they work, even rare experimental ones, unlike most modern products

@CameraHam 2 жыл бұрын

That’s because you can sell the average person a vacuum that they’ll never have the know how or need to open but you’d be one brave SOB to try and sell the military a gun they can’t fix

@morantactical1105 3 жыл бұрын

In the history of warfare, has there ever been an instance where a soldier has used a bayonet on an SMG?

@Aliyah_666 3 жыл бұрын

Probably not but honestly I look at a feature like that as I do a concealed carry handgun. Better to have and not need it than need and not have it.

@PieAndChips Жыл бұрын

Falklands

@ianfinrir8724 Жыл бұрын

I've seen a picture of a soldier holding a Sten gun that has a bayonet attached, I think he was guarded captured enemy soldiers.

@angelx9874 Жыл бұрын

2 years late but Japanese loved their bayonets so they put them on every weapon they made

@oldspec3006 11 ай бұрын

Falklands

@ninjabaiano6092 4 жыл бұрын

Legend says you can put a bayonet on the stock.

@nardgames 5 жыл бұрын

The off center barrel may be to keep the spacing from the magazine the same as the standard sterling.

@jacobishii6121 5 жыл бұрын

The sten was designed with clandestine manufacturing in mind.It specifically used machining and components in it's design so it could be made by unskilled workers in any basic tool shop such a mechanics garage,plumbing shop, carpentry shop etc.

@joshtiscareno1312 4 жыл бұрын

Further enhancements include an attachment point for a Zip-22 and a single-shot Gyrojet launcher that mounts to the side opposite the magazine. The buttstock will have a slot on either side, depending on whether or not they want it to carry chopsticks or a spork, and a choice of two oil bottles, depending on whether they want one filled with soy sauce or Worchestershire sauce (under no circumstances is actual oil or yankee Tobasco sauce to be placed in this bottle). The sights will be offset even further to allow a GI angle-head flashlight to be mounted on top (but only the opaque white lens will be authorized for use).

@naslunn1543 4 жыл бұрын

Everybody gangsta till someone pulls up with two bayonets

@RIVERSTYX1981 5 жыл бұрын

Two bayonets? I'll take two for dual wielding and opening my mail!

@Themanwithnoscreenname 5 жыл бұрын

Two bayonets? Seemed like a sharp idea, I guess.

@scottyj6226 4 жыл бұрын

you really cut to the heart of the matter.

@SkinlessBody35 4 жыл бұрын

I see your points

@sirtornado2938 4 жыл бұрын

Does this rlly cut it though

@sillylittleowlguy2392 4 жыл бұрын

Ba dum tsssss

@themarlboromandalorian 3 жыл бұрын

If a unicorn were a donkey...still cute, still magical, non-traditional. This gun...the Donkey-korn.

@Thy_Boss 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe a centaur...? LMG sights on a SMG... I guess the horse part would be on top, then... the kind of centaur with horse brains

@Fractal_blip 3 жыл бұрын

One of the best channels on youtube

@widgren87 5 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the "Pipe" weapons in Fallout 4, not sure what to make of that... Anyway, fun video as usual :-)

@WeDontTalkAboutJosh 5 жыл бұрын

This at least looks like the rounds don't have to go round a 90 degree bend from the mag to the chamber.

@widgren87 5 жыл бұрын

@T-Jay I stayed away from from 76 so I'll take your word for it :-) Funny how many old and experimental guns looks right at home in Fallout.

@widgren87 5 жыл бұрын

@@WeDontTalkAboutJosh There is that as well :-)

@farmerboy916 5 жыл бұрын

The visual design of the weapons of the new fallouts is quite cool, at least. As long as you ignore the mods and the rationale behind them.

@widgren87 5 жыл бұрын

@T-Jay That works as well :-)

@alluraambrose2978 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like something only a mother would love.

@makara80 5 жыл бұрын

Well each to their own but the gun's aesthetics look perfectly fine imo and pleasingly modern for the mid 60's. ....It just didn't _work_ (well) that's all!

@camelthegamer7165 5 жыл бұрын

...some mothers drown their kids, this is a perfect example of why.

@elcup31 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian!

@joelwinters100 5 жыл бұрын

It needs three bayonets. And gosh thank you for these vids. So enjoyable and relaxing

@DarkestVampire92 5 жыл бұрын

Now the important question: Can you mount both bayonets at the same time? For... tactical reasons.

@bwcmakro 5 жыл бұрын

DarkestVampire92 reference thumbnail

@camelthegamer7165 5 жыл бұрын

I see no why you can't.

@as-jp5cl 5 жыл бұрын

"Still not enough stab"- Finland 1944

@razvanbutiac7684 2 жыл бұрын

Nice unique piece. I personally find the single reason to ofset the barrel is to allow them to add mass to the bolt without extending it in length. For the open bolt fire machine guns is very tricky to find the best balance. The bolt mass provide the inertia, spring load provide static force to hold the bolt closed in the moment cartridge goes off.

@johan96149 2 жыл бұрын

The handle is in the middle, so it will not really change the ballance, but it will change the recoil ballance. The magazine to the left will will rotate the barrel to the right during recoil. Most of the weight of the gun is to the right of the barrel to balance the gun more when accelerating backwards during recoil.

@mrfuriouser 5 жыл бұрын

Might I remind you, good sir, that my great-great-grandfather successfully homesteaded 160 acres whilst riding on a donkey during the Great Oklahoma Land Rush. A donkey may not be the pinnacle of performance; however, it is still incredibly capable overall!

@pd4165 4 жыл бұрын

It was the M4 medium of its day!

@georgiykireev9678 4 жыл бұрын

Donkeys are incredibly strong animals, especially for their size. One donkey can pull over 3 tons of stuff. That's a lot of performance from such an unassuming, small animal.

@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 4 жыл бұрын

You never told us to begin with so how can you remind us

@milesellis4534 5 жыл бұрын

Affix bayonets! Do it again!

@harryweij 3 жыл бұрын

The offset sights were for more comfort during shooting. You can negate the pull the magazine causes. Dual bayonetes are for right and left shooters. So you can create momentum with the weight of the gun during use.