Gotta love those tight defensive playoff games...

The Makar goal was the lightest form of dump and chase i've ever seen.

Goalie who pulls off shutout in this series is going straight in Hockey Hall of Fame.

All I can say is that in 50 years of watching hockey I have never seen a play like that called onside before. Kudos for Edmonton for making a game of it. This game had so many 'intangibles' --'on side' 'delay of game penalty' four different goalies, last second toe save--it could have gone either way. Game two should be interesting.

At 9:30 Steve actually convinced me while trying to defend his opinion. If I flick a puck deep and my guy clears then I chase the puck down first, I'm onside, so a chip and play to tag up makes perfect sense.

Again, we need a Steve's Dang It's for all of the bad calls this post season.

I’ve been arguing with ppl over that Makar goal for an entire day now, and I’m still convinced they made the right call. Both possession and control are completely irrelevant to (non-delayed) offsides. Offsides is entirely dictated by the position of the puck and the position of the players skates. Most importantly, though, offsides is ALWAYS called when the player touches the puck. By defining offsides as “a player controlling/possessing the puck while entering the zone”, it means that if I were skating to the blue line and pushed the puck over the blue line while my teammate was in the zone, that play should be blown dead. And it’s not. Ever. It’s ONLY blown dead after my teammate touches the puck. This is why delayed offsides exists, because otherwise offsides would be called the moment the puck enters the zone, every single time. Now, regarding the rules about delayed offsides, the NHL rulebook says that the play should be blown dead as soon as a player makes an attempt to gain possession of the puck. However, “possession” in the NHL is defined as “the last player to touch the puck”, so Makar HAD possession before entering the zone. Since he had possession, he couldn’t have been “attempting to gain possession”; and since “possession” is irrelevant to the primary offsides rule, the determine factor in the entire situation is whether or not he was touching the puck. Makar wasn’t touching the puck. He had possession, hell you can even say he had control, but that’s totally irrelevant to both the rules and the reason why the whistle gets blown. Touching the puck is what causes the whistle to be blown. He didn’t touch the puck, so the play should not have been blown dead. It was the right call

Best explanation I've heard about Makar's goal: We are very familiar with dump-ins while someone tags up, which are perfectly fine and normal. In this case Makar didn't fire it into the corner, he poked it over the line and lifted his stick so he was not in contact with the puck. Meanwhile Nicushkin tags up and (very importantly) Makar's feet are still outside the zone. It's a good goal. Had it been fired into the corner everyone would have recognized the legal tag up. Because it was just poked over the line it caused mass confusion-but the rule doesn't care how far the puck goes into the zone, just that the offside player tags up BEFORE an offensive player touches the puck or crosses the line, which is exactly what happened.

This game was insane. This series is going to be also. Smith gets pulled after the 6th goal allowed then on the other side the Avs goalie gets hurt and Both backup goalies are playing. I got Avs in 6. Hopefully they can make a push and dethrone the Bolts if they make it to the final as well.

It's not a stupid rule, or a glitch. It's a delayed offside. Possession of the puck doesn't matter as long as Makar doesn't touch the puck in the zone before his teammate clears the zone. It was the right call. Happened to the Avs a couple of seasons ago. They challenged it and lost. I remember being upset but realized it was the right call then also.

Gotta give props to Burakovsky for taking that absolute shot the thing was going 90 miles an hour and he took it like a champ but it was for nothing.

imagine that koskinen was the best goalie in this game with .952 save %.

I absolutely love Steve's reactions! These streams have been so much fun! 😊👍

Both avs and oilers need to sure up defensively I doubt that vassy or Igor are going to let you play touchdown hockey.

That call on the Makar goal was right, I get the point that the puck was over the line and Nichuskin hadn’t tagged up yet but Makar wasn’t touching the puck and didn’t have control over it, it’s one of those things you find weird, hear the explanation, still find it weird but at least the explanation is perfectly logical

Both coaches: "we don't need no stinkin' defense tonight!"

Not only was the offsides call the right call, it was the correct call.... Just because you haven't updated your understanding of the rules since the offsides rules were changed many years ago, doesn't mean your confusion is correct.

That was an absolutely ridiculous score. 😂

Avs have had a few of those delayed offside calls against them now, so if this had gone against them, it would have been hard to justify.

according to the NHL’s ruling on the goal, pushing the puck forward did not constitute an attempt at gaining possession, and he does not actually cross the blue line and take control of the puck in the offensive zone until Nichushkin has tagged up and come back onside. Once Nichushkin was deemed to have properly exited the zone, Makar gained sufficient control of the puck for it to be considered possession, making his zone entry and ensuing goal onside. “It was determined that Colorado’s Valeri Nichushkin legally tagged up at the blue line before Cale Makar entered the offensive zone with the puck on his stick. Makar made contact with the puck in the offensive zone after Nichuskin was in an on-side position,” read an official explanation from the NHL.

The rule for Delayed offsides has four criteria, the two relevant ones are the " A player from the attacking team cannot be touching the puck" and "A player from the attacking team cannot be attempting to gain possession" The ruling on the play was effectively that Makar did have possession, so he couldn't be attempting to gain possession, and that he was not touching the puck, therefore it was not delayed offsides.

It's not going to be a common play like Steve says because there's another element that has to be satisfied, both players skates have to be on the blue line or in the neutral zone at the same time. This is no different than a dump and chase where the player dumps it in. He still has to wait until the other player clears the zone before he can release from the blue line or it's offsides. Similar plays happen in beer league all the time, player pushes the puck over the line and waits until the other player gets to the blue line. Just that in this case it was a lot more fluid as you'd expect from an NHL quality player. BTW, I'm a Kings fan and pretty much hate the Oilers and Avalanche equally!

at 6:15 you can see both nichushkin and makar are both on the blue line and makar "doesn't have possession" then touches it right after, such a tough call tbh

Also, did you expect anything less than this result in this high-octane offensive WCF?

As an oilers fan I’ve seen a lot of game 1 BOA comparisons. The big difference is Colorado isn’t as uptight as Sutter’s flames. Sutter almost had a heart attack that Calgary gave up 6 goals in game 1 and the flames went full shut down mode (and the oilers beat them). Colorado looks ready to do win every game 8-6 if need be as long as they are winning them.

i love it. keep it coming Steve, hilarious happy place... "jobbed"🤣

The call was completely correct. Rule 83.3 If, during the course of the delayed off-side, any member of the attacking team touches the puck, attempts to gain possession of a loose puck, forces the defending puck carrier further back into his own zone, or who is about to make physical contact with the defending puck carrier, the Linesman shall stop play for the off-side violation. Makar has possession of the puck throughout the play, it's not a loose puck, so the one that's being looked at is did he touch it while a player was still offside. He pushes the puck across the line while Nichushkin is still in the zone, but he does not touch the puck afterward so it becomes a delayed offside. Makar stays onside himself and doesn't not touch the puck again until Nichushkin had tagged up. This is an onside play. It was close by inches but they got it right according to the rules. And furthermore there are several previous examples of this exact scenario where they also made the same call.

If the avs make the finals we need Watch an avs game with Drew!!!!!!

I'm going to love seeing your commentary after all the Avs wins!

Great Channel. Steve is hysterical as well as a brilliant hockey mind.

Technically it's no different then player tagging up after a dumping, if the player enter the zone before his teammate clears the zone, it's consider a delay offside, this time all 3 players are ee-enter the zone together before Makar touches it. Ex A, if player #24 dumps the puck in, he can't get before before his all his teammate clears the zone for the play to be onside... u see this play every game, but instead of placing it to the end boards it's just inches. The player makes it an offside, not the puck

Serious question. What is even the purpose of the "possession" rule when determining offsides? Could it not just be that the play is offsides when a player touches the puck in the zone while any player is offsides? Seems like "possession" just adds unnecessary ambiguity in a situation like what happened tonight.

This series will have more than double the goals of the ECF

If he would have shot the puck and scored from outside the blue line would that have been an onside goal?

As defined, "possession" and "control" do not require actual or continual "contact" with the puck, and neither are a consideration on this play; "contact" with the puck is the only determining factor and whether or not Makar had possession or control is irrelevant. Had Makar flipped the puck higher into the zone as a dump-in and the same transition of Nichushkin tagging up before Makar entered the zone and then collected it around say the top of the circles, no one would be questioning this play. Because the flip-in happens inches from his stick and almost instantaneous with the puck crossing the determining edge and the Tag-up, people are forgetting how the Delayed Offside rule works. Kudos to the lineman for making the correct call. Also, love you Steve, but this happens every single time the puck gets dumped into the zone and as far as " you're going to see this all the time now"... we already do. Players already wait when they see a teammate offside while the puck is at or near them on the blue line and then play it when the tag up happens. This is not a new thing it's just one of those "you don't see it in this much spotlight until it's highlighted like this" moments.

Damn I'm right there with Producer Drew. This is going to be a crazy series. Mike Smith is ehhh but I do believe the back up was in net those 2 close games that the Avalanche won during the season. At the same time the Avalanche weren't at full Power those games. The Goalies need to stop being so soft on the Avalanche team.

Does he do these reactions live? Like is there a live stream I can watch of him watching the games?

can we appreciate the multiple times Steve calls the exact same thing as the pbp before they say it, without having them in his ear.

So, when you get your certification to referee they will cover a number situations in your class. This offside/onside interpretation was one covered in my first class. The rule has not changed. This is onside. And we do see this type of play often. Push and chase is common. Makar is in possession and control of the puck in the neutral zone. Nichushkin is offside Last contact was made on the Blue line before the puck proceeds into the Oilers' defensive zone. Nichushkin (if Makar continues to contact the puck after the puck has completely crossed Blue Line then it would be Offside) Makar does not lose possession of the puck. (Control is lost for purposes of rules that deal with players in control of the puck) Makar is no longer in contact with the puck. Nichushkin is offside. Delayed offside rules apply. (if Makar contacts the puck before all attacking (Colorado) players leave the offensive zone, then it is offside) Makar can not be seeking to obtain possession as he has not lost possession. Nichushkin tags up. Makar has yet to enter the offensive zone. Makar's next contact is completely onside. I'm sure the reason they called for the review was because from the blue line cam angle it looks like the puck is still one Makar's stick as the puck crosses the blue line. They have very little time to call for review and that pressure didn't allow for review of multiple angles before using the challenge. If you slow this play down it's a much easier call. Because it happens at speed, the steps become difficult to follow. This is no different than Me knocking the puck barely over the line with no defensive players around me, but I have to wait for one of my teammates to clear before I can touch the puck again. The fact that the play happened at 25-30mph, the margins were inches and fractions of a second, and the refs got it right. Steve, that's a hat pick.

big daddy smith deserves an apology from his defense for that game.

I love the word “shenaniganery”

Im Avs fan but how did cale makars goal get allowed?

The offside rule is based on when you touch the puck, Makar technically didn't touch the puck so its like a dump in, therefore the correct call. seems kinda dumb and he probably did it on accident but that is the rule.

The delayed offside rule is a rule. Can’t get angry at the refs for ruling to the letter of the law. So it’s a good goal (by that it’s fully legal). Whether the league needs a rule change is the real conversation here. Personally I feel it’s a very difficult distinction to make if you don’t like plays like this, would lead to a lot more grey and a lot more angry fans then we already have.

Aww, I was hoping to see Producer Drew appear on Dangits to talk about "IT WAS 7-3!!!!".

It was a goal, Steve. It's a dumb rule, but it's a rule.

coach Jeremy made a video about the makar goal you should check it out it explains it really well

9:04 *SAY THE LINE, DANGLE! SAY THE LINE* We call those, you guessed it, dang its.

Where can I watch the lives bc I don’t see them when he does them

lol all these dudes watch hockey all day and they can’t remember a single reg szn game where offside is negated by the possession of the skater entering, get a grip on your industry, seen a lot of similar calls this year, thanks

What a great game! Let’s Go Avalanche!!!😅😅😅

Sometimes you get the break (Coleman game 5 kick) sometimes you don’t like tonight. Balances out

So should delayed offsides not be a thing? That's basically what happened here. I understand this was really close but why does that make it different than most other delayed offsides.

I tried to watch your stream last night but it said it wasn't available in my country... I'm in the US.

Yay. GO AVS!!

So the explanation they gave for Makar's goal was that he pushes the puck over the blue line while he's still in the neutral zone. He was not touching the puck while Nichushkin was in the zone. Once Nichushkin's skates come out of the zone, then Makar touches the puck again. Making it an onside play. I'll probably get some weird Oilers fans arguing with me about how the entire league is biased against the Oilers (weird and untrue and also maybe your goalies shouldn't let in 8 goals regardless...but whatever), but that is just their reasoning behind it. I thought it was offside as well but seeing the overhead angle it's more understandable how they came to that conclusion. The side angles were really close and hard to distinguish. Again, I'm just giving their explanation for it. If you agree or not, that's not my problem.

The funniest non-offside, i have ever seen. Scary, how many people just buy it. Makar clearly had possession and guided the puck in. To be saying, that he did not touch the puck while he crossed the line...since when did that ever matter ? Has anybody ever seen a call like that ?

can u make the stream link available for people is the US by chance?

That game was nuckin' futs.

Steve is the best

SINCE WHEN ARE YOU AN OILERS FAN!?!?!?

me and producer drew were on the edge of our seats this game😅

If u dont think it should be a goal then your basically arguing to get rid of the tag up rule as a controlled dump in would be the same thing. These anouncers keep using possession but possession only matters when its ur legs crossing the blue line before a puck u have possession with is still onside. Happens sometimes when players spin into the offensive zone n possession is touching the puck n tag up touching is the wording n the only thing that matters as the puck leaves makars stick right as it crosses the blue line n doesnt touch it over the blue line until after his teammate tags up. Its a good goal n if u still dont think so then u create your own league without the tag up rule n enjoy 4 hour hockey games half being with the game clock stopped.

I absolutely LOVE that I said the same thing... "Uhhh... With just over 20 seconds left... The Oilers could actually tie it! Obsurd and yet soo true this year!!

The Makar goal... idk, I rather have the rulebook say "touch the puck in the offensive zone" than "have control of the puck". One is opened to interpretation, the other is a fact. That way there is less ambiguity on rulings

The explanation you got on Twitter is wrong. It’s a goal because of delayed offsides. As long as Nuke doesn’t touch the puck until he touches up, we don’t have an offsides to call.

"WoahwegotabreakawayNathanMacKinnon!!!!!" -Dangle 2022

That offside was a dang-it. Not only it allowed the goal but also gave Avs powerplay which they converted, so basically 2 goals caused by wrong ruling.

We absulutley must win our home games. This series will end nothing short of 7. Buckle up!

So for goal at the end of the 1st the announcers stated that due to delayed off sides it allowed the memeber to tag up. But my personal opinion states it doesn't made as he had not impact on the play. And I had the same opinion on the offside call in game seven against the sharks in the bubble. He was getting off the ice and had absolutely zero effect on the play. They do it for to many men on the ice so why not this.

That non-goal led to another goal. If I was the Oilers I'd be pissed too. Two goals was the Avs margin of victory. Woof.

After looking into it more, I finally get the rule. I was confused like everyone else but it turns out I just didn't understand how the newest change works. Possession doesn't actually matter. Plus possession is kind of an arbitrary term. You just can't touch the puck in the zone before your player tags up. I like how simple and clearly defined it is.

Go Avs!!!

In case anyone is curious to look it up on the NHL rule book, page 127 (page 138 of the pdf), Rule 83.3: If, during the course of the delayed off-side, any member of the attacking team touches the puck, attempts to gain possession of a loose puck, forces the defending puck carrier further back into his own zone, or who is about to make physical contact with the defending puck carrier, the Linesman shall stop play for the off-side violation. In this scenario the argument was that he didn’t maintain control but fails to recognize the attempt to steady the wobbling puck as an attempt to gain possession while his teammate is still offside, if that’s not an attempt to gain possession I don’t know what is, the linesman is human, humans make mistakes, and this one according to their own rule book made a mistake on that call.

I want more info on Steve’s dads band

Two things about the interpretation of the Delayed Offside rule that makes no sense. First of all, if they're claiming Makar doesn't have control of the puck because at the time the puck crosses the blue line the stick is no longer touching the puck then practically all checks in hockey can now be penalised! If the player's stick is not touching the puck, he's not in control of the puck, therefore any body check can be deemed interference. #Bonkers Secondly, looking up Rule 83 on the NHL website states the following, 83.3 Delayed Off-side - A situation where an attacking player (or players) has preceded the puck across the attacking blue line, but the defending team is in a position to bring the puck back out of its defending zone without any delay or contact with an attacking player, or, the attacking players are in the process of clearing the attacking zone. If an off-side call is delayed, the Linesman shall drop his arm to nullify the off-side violation and allow play to continue if: (i) All players of the offending team clear the zone at the same instant (skate contact with the blue line) permitting the attacking players to re-enter the attacking zone, or (ii) The defending team passes or carries the puck into the neutral zone. If, during the course of the delayed off-side, any member of the attacking team touches the puck, attempts to gain possession of a loose puck, forces the defending puck carrier further back into his own zone, or who is about to make physical contact with the defending puck carrier, the Linesman shall stop play for the off-side violation. | So the key part of this rule why the referees after review called a good goal is this part - 'If, during the course of the delayed off-side, any member of the attacking team touches the puck' - so I suppose this is open to interpretation by the referees that as the puck was not in contact with the stick the player wasn't touching the puck, therefore not in possession of the puck so this nullifies the delayed offside (I'm looking forward to 99% of all checks being called 2 mins for interference going forward - dumb rule) However, the next part of the sentence is 'attempts to gain possession of a loose puck' - so are they also stating that Makar (who enters the zone in possession of the puck) is no longer attempting to gain possession until his stick touches the puck again? The NHL really do need to review not only the referee training but also their own rule book. There's been several bonkers decisions made after reviews in the post season and it has affected the results of games. I'm interested in your view of the above because I'm one confused UK hockey fan who's very tired staying up watching these fantastic series

so you mean ive been being called offsides all these years because nobody understands offsides, cool bro. 9:02 actually its not a video game glitch, quite the opposite, makar doesnt have magic control of the puck when its not on his stick, this isnt CHEL. Its only on his stick. when its on his stick. That is to say he is only touching it, when he is touching it. You blow the play dead when the touch is made, so how could the play theoretically be deemed have been blown dead.

Love how Steve was chirping the oilers all season. Now in the playoffs he said the Leafs would make the finals he is watching the Oilers. Hockey gods have a sense of humor.

It`s technicality as they say, lots of attorneys/snakes gets a good moolah outta finding them. Thing is though its a rule and rules can be changed but them changes has to be made before the game starts, now this rule benefited the Avs today next time it might benefit some other team.

What was a worse Dangle, Kesler holding Talbots pads or this?

I thought it was offside too. Bottom line Oilers needed to regroup, which they did pretty well just don’t drag out the offside call for the entire series. When the Blues lost Binnington, the entire series they used that as an excuse. The Avs have lost Kuemper in game 3 of the first round and halfway through this game, yet they regroup and move on.

Can't blame Smith at all. Our defense got manhandled, and they did finally get their stuff together with Koskinen and the Avs slowed down when Koskinen came in. Don't get me wrong, Koskinen was very good, and he made some solid stops. He deserves a lot of respect for staying calm. Going forward I would say Smith because he's a fighter and the kind of guy to have a revenge game whereas Koskinen is inconsistent, but I agree as a Smith fan that starting Koskinen isn't a bad decision. On the Makar goal, I am an Oilers fan so I felt it was offside. After looking at all of the angles, I agree it's a lot close and I understand where the refs are coming from, but I still felt like Makar had enough control to call it offside. His stick was less than a foot away from the puck so I think it was offside, and I think the Avs fans chanting "ref you suck" was immature, but we do it a lot too. Woodcroft is undefeated in game 2s. His adjustments have been legendary those far leading to pummelings against the Kings and the Flames in game 2s and 3. Obviously the Avs are a whole 'nother beast, but we'll see, we were 1-0-2 against them this season.

12:04 bruh 😂

the whining and crying by oilers fans is priceless.. it was a good goal going by the rules of a tag up, full stop, get over it.. your team was god awful.. Nurse is a disaster and Smith always seems to be flopping forward on his saves.. Oilers only hope is that the Avalanche goalie is almost as bad.. i think the backup who looks like will be playing next game is better than Kuemper.. if that means anything.. btw, where were oilers fans when a Calgary goal directed in was called kicking.. there was way more of an argument for that to be a good goal (and no I'm not a flames fan lol)

13.3 (ii) delayed offsides - look it up NHL

the offside that will change the history of all rules

I don't even care who wins this series, but it is epic!

Steve didn't listen to the explanation on Makar's goal, obviously. That, or the SPORTSNET broadcast didn't bother to explain it like the TNT crew did. it's a tag up play, where Makar (however inadvertent it might have been) pushes the puck into the offensive zone, while he's still behind the blue line, and doesn't touch it again until Nichushkin is onside. Had Makar touched the puck in the offensive zone before that, it would have been no goal. It's really not complicated, and it's kind of annoying that some people are acting like it's the theory of relativity.

Delayed offsides Steve. Bad rule,but they didn't just put it in tonight,as many Oiler fans,& you act like. All of Canada's desperation to end almost 3 decades Cupless streak is blinding you. For good or bad, that's the rule...of course it's a bad rule. But you can't change it during the game-or even playoffs-to help Canada. Gonna be amazing series,we got a big,ugly, concerning win. But 1-0 is 1-0.

The game is going faster with skaters becoming better and better, and you want the ref to have this arbitrary ruling where control (an intangible measurement) is a factor for offside??

The fact that even the national broadcast announcers have no idea why the Makar goal was not offsides is one of the most glaring examples of why the NHL officials NEED to get better about explaining what they are reviewing and then why the decision was made. So many times you see stoppages and they go put the headset on and no one has any clue what they are looking at.

I love how one bad call lost the oilers the tie game...

It doesn't matter if he had control or not it's off sides

He moved 10 feet with the puck, because of his stick. That my friends is possession. The puck didnt magically move all by itself. It was because makar moved it. It just happened to NOT be on his stick for the exact moment VN gets back onside, but im sorry thats still possession. The puck is never on your stick the entire time you are skating.

What's more astounding; 14 goals or 4 goalies?

We need a Producer Drew Heart Rate Monitor.

This series is going to average 17 goals a game and then the ECF won't even have 17 total

the stanley cup matchup everyone wants to see: leafs vs avs

Ok but i need to know more about your dad being a drummer in a metal band

Nurse is still trying to catch up to Nate Dog