still dude..it's nothing compared to other characters..and considering Steve is a characters with no standing launchers..It is a huge deal for him IDK why they nerfed his sonic fang launch..they could've reduced the damage

@@mwkan772 I agree! I was so shocked when my PKB D2 whiffed a few times in a match xD

​@@mwkan772 I havent had time to play for weeks now, but is it possible that the frame advantage on hit is lowered so that people can attempt to get up faster and then run into setups? Like sideroll getup could lead to steve doing sidestep df2,duck / uf2 / another sonicfang or something?

@@mwkan772 it's kind of the archetype of the character and while it is a nerf, the meta is also in it's infancy still and I don't think its a big enough detriment to the character to affect his overall usability. tbh, 1.05 is great for steve, but I think the amount of changes to both system and characters have been too much too fast. It's necessary to keep the player base engaged, but I don't think it's good for the game overall. I don't know if anybody remembers UMVC3, and the "balance" changes they implemented because of player feedback, but the meta evolved and those changes cause way more imbalance than balance. Steve has a lot of tools that people aren't used to. for example 3 1 2 and 4 1 2 are delayable, hit confirmable, evasive mid high string that's plus on block and hit, with a counter hit delayed mid option for full launch that's safe on block. WS 2 2, f21 and f22 are also extremely delayable get in tools that can swing momentum easily on hit or block since you get access to LH, PKB or FLK for F21. Sure, we don't have CH WS 2 or CH 4 1 2 as easier CH launches, but the overall utility of those moves have gone up with tekken 8

They nerfed many heat engagers like that, not only for Steve and damage scaling is lower for follow-up. Before 1.05 ff2 did only 1Hp less than PKB d2. To be fair Sonic Fang is an OP AF move. If that shit would launch it would be insane and put Steve straight into the top 5.

He's a CH monster still so he's still fine

​@@crack4184nah he a poking monster. Bryan is counter hit beast

@@Tha-mountain Bryan bryan bryan..... This mofo....

@@crack4184 he has amazing offensive pressure, evasiveness, multiple parries, and people wonder why they wont buff him too much. One mistake and hes top 10 AGAIN

Considering this is arguably the most dishonest tekken that actually means a lot my guy

Facts it’s always missing when I try to counter flicker :/

I remember it used to do like 53 damage because pkb d2 had 100% scaling and is guaranteed.

I agree with you on this but it's pissing off the players because of how recklessly they're "balancing" the game

@@arsalrana9568 which is fair. Alisa feng and xiaoyu getting legit nothing serious is egregious. But it is season 1 and with a game like tekken I can’t expect them to get everything done perfectly the first season. I just wish more characters got changes that were meaningful like drag. He is legit in a perfect spot rn. Good pressure, high damage, but beatable and with the system changes he is no longer a top 3 BS spamming douche.

@@michaelpacheco6549 yep exactly we need more time with the game for it to get to that perfect spot but it's the unnecessary murder towards some characters but even that would change later on.

@@arsalrana9568 100% agree. Hopefully we get a good sense of things once the dlc finishes and season 1 is in full swing. I think then everything will feel more familiar and better ig, but god I’m gonna hate fighting waifu characters until they get patched 💀

@@michaelpacheco6549 yeah they're all very brutal at the moment but luckily I play reina so one waifu against the rest works out for me 😅

*could be because they added functionality as a WS.

@@Mackievellian it's a Lee/Law nerf that accidentally affected Steve like always Lee after 3 of his heat engager dash (b3+4, 44:4, df44) give him a free HMS u4 into ub3 for 50-60+ damage and they're the kind of heat dash that only knockdown. Same for Law the kind that knockdown he get a free jump stomp into big oki that guarantee 1+2 if opponent dont stand up fair to say these guys did way too much damage for a dash that didnt even launch so they had to nerfed the knockdown and scaling to balance it. knockdown change so slow move can be tech roll and scaling so combos dont do too much and Just like Strong Aerial Spin nerf they didn't consider how much Steve needed those so the same thing happened here. They didnt consider how important 1+2 dash into PAB d2 was to steve

it wasnt steve targeted nerf, you can just roll faster after heat knockdown moves

Two things can be true at once. Steve IS much better now but the Sonic Fang nerf is still significant.

Barely has any ch option though aside from b1. bryan is the CH god.

@@TheTriangle444 I prefer T7 Steve over T8 Steve all day

i think in t8 they are really trying to avoid steve launching with fast moves from neutral and keeping the ch identity of the character intact. even b2 is no longer a launcher.. (i dont disagree with that mindset though, giving steve good launchers will break the character imo)

Sorry what move does DVJ have? You referring to the move that is 4 frames slower? FF2? Isn't sonicfang like 12 frames and can do from crouch now?

@Sicknificant1 DVJ b2,3 - it's i14 punisher, that launches during heat And Steve's 1+2 is 14 frames fast as well, but it gave only a grounded follow

@@egor2069 but those are 2 different characters. steve also has a 13f safe ch launcher, does that mean that dvj should also get one? of course not

@tehutehu451 Yes, you're right. That's a very different characters. But Steve's 1+2 buff is not dictated only by this. Opportunity to block/wiff punish once per round by using all your heat gauge doesn't sounds bad for me. It would give to Steve ability to punish properly and I think that it's good and interesting. Also it wouldn't break his identity, just quality of life stuff

Same, but I have a feeling they will make more of his other moves have buffs because if his 1+2 becomes a launcher, it will overshadow many of his other launchers, leading to an inevitable nerf.... I'm gonna leave it to hope and a functional brain to see what cooks after some good time. 💯🔥

They should make steve the only character with a 14f heat launcher

Then it would become a -12 barely reactable, CH low launcher, like Leo pretty much.

@@UltimateBallaPOM Depends on how fast it would need to be made. And they can always remove CH launch and/or make it more unsafe on block.

how is unsafe low damage move that doesnt wall splat is better at the wall?

@@b0ost3rzas a punish I mean, the frames and retaining your heat bar instead of a measly 20 damage costing your entire heat bar

@@christianjayjay wait can you cancel heat engage now?

@@b0ost3rz No, I mean just not using your heat dash when you are in heat

@@christianjayjay well then its better to punish -14 with ipab f1+2 then because it splats

Why? It's literally one of the worse heat dash extensions in the game

Yeaa sure, victor main.

@@hiraprxc 😂 you’ve been crying for the past 5 months and kept getting buffs after buffs

He did in t7

Steve’s sonic fang launched in tk7 and it didn’t ruin the character it was the best rage drive in the game

@@_slyph”it didn’t ruin the character but it was the best rage drive in the game” that’s probably why he doesn’t have it here lmao

@@michaelpacheco6549 you have to understand in tk7 without that rage drive Steve’s comeback potential was terrible there’s a reason he had it

@@_slyph right, but in t8 everyone had comeback potential with heat, it’s healing, on demand plus frames, and chip that also heals any gray health you have. Not to mention Steve has good damage in this game and a good heat smash that also does a good chunk of damage.

Dvj b3 was buffed