The Band Should Slip Off But It Does The Opposite!

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Crowned Pulleys do this bizarre counterintuitive thing. Instead of slipping off the curved surface, the band actually moves to the middle and stays there.
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@smartereveryday 3 жыл бұрын

SNATCH BLOCK!.... er... uh, I mean. . NOT A SNATCH BLOCK

@zarlus8 3 жыл бұрын

Still one of my favorite moments 😂

@ephjaymusic 3 жыл бұрын

Ayyyy!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

@kikelabmor 3 жыл бұрын

HAHA i was totally hoping to see this comment

@TheWaynester101 3 жыл бұрын

@@canofpulp screw you. Dont hate on him

@mwu365 3 жыл бұрын

@@cbrooksusmc he's not

@xmtxx 3 жыл бұрын

That explains it.. It don't remember what for, but a few years ago, I designed the concave thingy for a homemade belt system, and I couldn't understand why the belt was, always flying off. I had to put on guards to prevent it... It was a mess. Now I know. Thanks! :)

@SkandranonOwens 3 жыл бұрын

Would have been fun to watch that frustration

@victorhopper6774 3 жыл бұрын

reminds me of 45 years ago when i tried to square up a radial saw table with a square that wasn't square, drove me nuts.

@somedood9989 2 жыл бұрын

2:12 "Our intuition is wrong." Learning physics summed up in one sentence.

@tyrind2001 2 жыл бұрын

You've just turned everything around that i knew about conveyors. I work in the metal recycling industry and usually we have to track conveyors to keep them in line. Usually we tighten the side to make the conveyor move opposite of the side we tighten. Then we'd get some conveyors that just didn't seem to wanna do that. They'd move opposite the way they should and everyone was always confused about it and just chocked it up to basically being a odd quirky attribute of that particular conveyor.

@HydetheRapper 11 ай бұрын

That’s awesome! It’s so fun to learn something that explains something you encountered in the past. Love that feeling. Like answering a question you’d forgotten you ever asked.

@stevewindisch2882 10 ай бұрын

I'm wondering if the difference was how tight the particular conveyor was relative to the others. I'd guess a looser one would have the intuitive effect and a tighter one would have the effect described in this video. My thought is that looser would mean less grip and the belt would slide away from the crown while a tighter one would work its way up to the crown

@NoferTrunions 10 ай бұрын

Guessing, may be related to the great width of the belt. If there is bias in any of the belt physical properties, it may throw its behavior out the window. For example if the thickness varied linearly slightly across the width in which case the belt would now be a cone. (and of course just saying this out loud doesn't sound plausible LOL!)

@thomasphillips885 7 ай бұрын

Wait is it chalked up or chocked up?

@garramiro 7 ай бұрын

Sometimes belt arent properly cut and even with a crown pulley you wont be able to fix the drift.

@TusharGoyal1997 3 жыл бұрын

That concave pulley clip really answered all lingering questions in one shot for me! Great work as always Steve!

@travcollier 3 жыл бұрын

Yes... I've done that wrong many times over the years, and now know why.

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 жыл бұрын

He really covered all the bases.

@LM_25_11 3 жыл бұрын

This example is gold

@inspiringengineer 3 жыл бұрын

Anthropomorphising a rubber band is streching it a bit! ;)

@skeeterburke 3 жыл бұрын

🏆🤦‍♀️🏆

@ViratKohli-jj3wj 2 жыл бұрын

Stop stop stop stop

@inspiringengineer 2 жыл бұрын

@@ViratKohli-jj3wj LOL!

@jochemajendouz9271 2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a line straight from a Terry Pratchett book..

@lonnyyoung4285 2 жыл бұрын

Anthropomorphizing a rubber band is tight.

@mikenolan4871 3 жыл бұрын

I've worked in manufacturing for years and have observed this effect on lots of conveyors, belt drives, belt sanders, etc. And this is the first real explanation I've heard. Thanks for clearing up something I've been mystified about!

@Hanoverauto 2 жыл бұрын

The belts on such things as thrashing machines and circular saws, driven from the pulley wheel on a tractor, are often slack when running and are not elastic so this explanation doesn't fit.

@mikenolan4871 2 жыл бұрын

@@Hanoverauto I'd love to hear your alternative explanation.

@roughsoleman 11 ай бұрын

@@Hanoverauto Flat Pulleys on tractor takeoff

@21centdregs 5 ай бұрын

that’s exactly what im trying to sort out. no belt sander has a stretchy belt, so why are they crowned? maybe there’s some tiny amount of stretch that seems imperceivable but idk about that, im still skeptical

@BigCrowsVideos 5 ай бұрын

@@Hanoverauto There is no such thing, as "absolutely slack", they all do stretch a little. Because they are more rigid, than a rubber band, the same force causes them to stretch by a little amount (in length) but the effect is the same

@AmeriBradeOfficial 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Steve! I've followed you for years, so it was super exciting to see our belt grinder in the video Tom sent you. I definitely didn't expect that when I started watching. Obviously, belt tracking is a phenomenon we spend a lot of time thinking about in belt sander design, so it was nice seeing someone explain the crowning effect scientifically. Home builders often run into problems when they add a tracking adjustment because the interaction with the crown isn't necessarily intuitive. The belt seems to ride to the high point of a crown, but it also looks like it rides down the slope when you tilt a wheel to adjust the tracking (as it does in the video Tom sent you). We have our own working theories on how crowning interacts with adjustable belt tracking, but I'm sure I would learn something and see it in a new light if you ever looked into it. Eric

@nenmaster5218 2 жыл бұрын

This Channel here reminds me of Hbomberguy; my Favorite Place to learn. Well, that and Veritsaium.

@Lowezar Жыл бұрын

That ruzzian flag on your avatar though. :D

@EbonyPope 4 ай бұрын

4:45 Still don't understand why it would bow upwards. I don't see anything pushing "up" just material stretching along the line. He did a terrible job at explaining. Why would those for springs be pushed up? I don't see any deformation that would push them in that direction?

@cogmonocle2140 3 жыл бұрын

The instant a video starts talking about pulleys I'm already waiting for "SNATCH BLOCK"

@mikieswart 3 жыл бұрын

SNATCH BLOCK!

@-NGC-6302- 3 жыл бұрын

No exceptions

@Feefa99 3 жыл бұрын

S N A T C H B L O C K !!!

@NemoConsequentae 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly where my mind went as well! I laughed when it cut to _SNATCHBLOCK!_

@Antifuzz1 3 жыл бұрын

Laminar flow!!!

@nyx3748 3 жыл бұрын

I love how all the science communicators on youtube reference each other in their videos

@adamplace1414 3 жыл бұрын

It's true. All my favorite channels are connected somehow, even ones I wouldn't think would be like Corridor (thru Tom Scott). Gotta say, though.. Destin is responsible for a lot of those connections.

@GodlikeIridium 3 жыл бұрын

Just the best ones 😉

@blindsightedkill 3 жыл бұрын

6 degrees of Kevin Bacon 🥓

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 жыл бұрын

They know what the people want.

@nyx3748 3 жыл бұрын

@@adamplace1414 Yeah, I got introduced to coridoor through the slo mo guys, who in turn I was introduced to ny Destin. His channel also introduced me to stuff made here. It's just amazing the community built around this people. I would like to add that PBS eons is another amazing channel, I don't exactly remember, but I think I got into it because I am an old vlogbrothers subscriber.

@DavidCaldwell1 2 жыл бұрын

When I did my degree (mechanical engineering, a long time ago) we spent half a lecture on this. The lecturer (a tenured professor) actually explained it in terms of velocity and angular acceleration of elements of the belt. I was more confused after than before. This deflection-based explanation is way better, and makes me wonder if the comparative angular acceleration explanation was just totally wrong. Also had no idea elastomer elasticity was from entropy... awesome

@somedragontoslay2579 2 жыл бұрын

I have the impression both explanations are different ways to say the same. Like how LaGrangian mechanics end up being Newtonian mechanics just with another philosophical approach. I like Steve's explanation better, tho

@23Q19 Жыл бұрын

I would agree with angular acceleration more... What he showed seemed to be true about rubber bands.. I wish he had gone into more explanation of practical example.. Sandpaper and leather belt are intuitively not stretchy... Both of which he showed video of though

@kevinsmith7959 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing!!! I have been working on a homemade conveyor and tracking was proving a problem. Based off this video, I wrapped layers of tape around one of the pullies (to make it convex) and it immediately started tracking perfectly! (And when I manually disrupt it, it returns to center.) Thank you!

@anna-graceschumann8869 3 жыл бұрын

1:37 I was about to make a cheeky comment like, "What if we won't permit you?" I felt clever until you showed you're more clever...

@SreenikethanI 3 жыл бұрын

… but then you'd made THIS comment! So, win-win?

@Ni999 3 жыл бұрын

@@SreenikethanI Nope.

@anna-graceschumann8869 3 жыл бұрын

@@SreenikethanI That feels very gracious of you XD I just won't underestimate Steve's sense of humor ever again.

@GW2_Live 3 жыл бұрын

There is a pulley on my car that always bothered me that it's crowned, always felt like it was gonna be a problem one day. Guess I was wrong lol

@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS 3 жыл бұрын

The idler pulley!

@alexanderunguez9633 3 жыл бұрын

Well, it won't be a problem until your belt starts becoming brittle. I'd assume that when it loses elasticity that this crowning effect won't be as strong.

@wyattroncin941 3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderunguez9633 nope, as long as there's even a very small amount of stretch and elasticity the belt will re-center. this works even on high strength fiber belts, such as aramid cloth, or even steel bands. there isn't a need for the belt to be highly elastic.

@alexanderunguez9633 3 жыл бұрын

@@wyattroncin941 That's neat!

@SUPRAMIKE18 3 жыл бұрын

I used to own a Chevy Blazer and the belt would constantly fall off, From what I've seen in this I should have put some crowned pulleys on it lol

@sanveersookdawe 3 жыл бұрын

"Just for completeness" is so satisfying. Thank you

@LFTRnow 11 ай бұрын

Something else interesting (and entropy related) is when you stretch an elastic band, it gets hot. If you let it cool down and then retract it, the same area (middle mostly) that heated up will actually turn cool. Yes, it works like a refrigerant.

@robertellis6853 7 ай бұрын

Didn't someone actually make a "refrigerator" using elastic bands stretching and contracting to illustrate that?

@ezet 7 ай бұрын

@@robertellis6853 at least JoergSprave did an experiment where he cooled a can of beer 2 degrees Celsius by using a rubber band

@justdoingodswork 3 жыл бұрын

You can never miss "Destin", when you say snatch block

@GTechno13 3 жыл бұрын

LAMINAR FLOW!!!!!

@quinten70 3 жыл бұрын

Yess

@howardbaxter2514 3 жыл бұрын

Destin will forever be the Snatch Block and Laminar Flow guy in the Science/Engineering community. It’s, of course, all in good faith though.

@350speedfreak 3 жыл бұрын

String trimmer fight announcer voice was the best.

@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 3 жыл бұрын

@@350speedfreak Destin could do voice work.

@AlipashaSadri 3 жыл бұрын

I saw the title and the thumbnail and was like: "Duh! That's how Bandsaw blades are kept in place" (learned that from Matthias Wandel) Woodworkers ASSEMBLE! :D

@_rlb 3 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@trstquint7114 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was also thinking about: my band saw. But never thought about it before in this way....

@earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Matthias is a wonderful physics teacher!

@trstquint7114 3 жыл бұрын

@@earthbjornnahkaimurrao9542 Indeed.

@sbvera13 3 жыл бұрын

You mean, "hopefully" kept in place :P

@rybec 3 жыл бұрын

That was strange for me. When I first saw it, my intuition told me the band should ride up on the pulley, but at the same time that _felt_ unintuitive. Excellent explanation. Also worth noting: Take two tires and connect them with an axle, but leave them free spinning. Now, accelerate the system. Next, slow down one tire but not the other. The system will turn in the direction of the breaking tire, because there is more friction on that side. Now, you have a band across a curved pulley. When you stretch the band, the side that is further from the opposite end is pulled tighter and thus has more friction. This will turn the band in the direction of the tighter side. In short, there are probably two effects causing this behavior. The stretch widening the band on one side is one effect, but the asymmetrical friction is probably also causing the band to turn toward the higher portion of the pulley as well.

@trashes_to_treasures 2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of just this effect before I heard his explanation!

@VladSaveliev 2 жыл бұрын

The “turning in the direction of higher friction side” feels like a better explanation than the one in the video. The one in the video only explains why the band’s width contracts.

@WarriorNN 11 ай бұрын

The explanation and model with the beaded strings regarding entropy was pretty cool! Haven't seen it explained so easily before.

@FrozenFirestorm100 3 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for this! I work on a plant where we have long conveyor belts. We crown the centre of our head pullies to help centre the belts and prevent them from running skew. Been using this method for years but now i understand why it works!!💪

@manuelpena3988 3 жыл бұрын

I really like that every time you anthropomorfize anything ( a virus, an electron...) you say it at loud :)

@thanksfernuthin 2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE LOVE LOVE when you guys feature each other's work.

@ethanlewis1453 10 ай бұрын

It was so polite of you to allow me to reject your anthropomorphism of the rubber band! Much appreciation!

@PlasmaChannel 3 жыл бұрын

Hey now, this type of pulley system looks familiar ; P It's exactly what stabilizes the band on a Van De Graaff Generator.

@maze3836 3 жыл бұрын

Its you!

@nightrous3026 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing Jay! Nvce to see ya! Tell me what you think of my high voltage stuff. I got vids on my channel.

@FIRE_STORMFOX-3692 3 жыл бұрын

Hi man!

@JjMn1000 3 жыл бұрын

yes? Edit: why did i edit

@brandengillette7794 3 жыл бұрын

I found the exact comment I was going to say. I'm glad it came from the plasma channel tho.

@raydunakin 3 жыл бұрын

I explore ghost towns and mining camps, and have seen a lot of old mines and mills which used belt-driven machinery. I have often wondered why the pulleys were slightly crowned. Now I finally know! Thanks!

@ByOutcast 3 жыл бұрын

I do a lot of the drives for conveyors most of them are always crowned because of the belt wandering if it’s a long conveyor with a belt it’s likely to try and wander but with a crowned and lagged pulley it does pull it back to normality :)

@jonathanremruatkima5776 3 жыл бұрын

This was the most positive reply ive ever seen

@andrewsmith1735 3 жыл бұрын

The belt goes the direction it leaves the surface until balance or failure. Susually.

@grahampcharles 3 жыл бұрын

I'm trying to make a middle school lesson plan about this. Would you happen to have a photo of one of the antique crown pulleys you'd be willing to let me use?

@raydunakin 3 жыл бұрын

@@grahampcharles I don't know if I have a suitable shot of a crowned pulley, but I'll go through some of my photos and see what I can find.

@Nikioko 2 жыл бұрын

0:12: No, when I think of a pulley, I think of any kind of wheel that redirects the force that is applied to a string. This apparatus has four pulleys, two fixed and two loose, and it is called a tackle, which in this case reduces the necessary force to 1/4 of the weight of the load.

@marcoabduarte 2 жыл бұрын

Mathias is amazing, i feel really Glad to see you recognizing his work.

@benjaminshropshire2900 3 жыл бұрын

I suspect the spring demo would work better with a triangular lattice ... because hexagons are bestagons.

@martinschwaikert5433 3 жыл бұрын

Fuck it seems like we do all get suggested the same videos 🤣

@dynamicgecko1213 3 жыл бұрын

"Heat is just molecular jiggle" It's kind of unsettling how simple and accurate this is.

@MandelscapeDA 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, Still NOT linear.....

@lordgarion514 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, and when you measure the temperature of something, you're actually measuring the kinetic energy of the atoms.

@mrmangoberry8394 2 жыл бұрын

Sound is just wiggly air.

@jamirovega1332 2 жыл бұрын

My body does a lot of molecular jiggling but no one seems to think it's hot.

@lordgarion514 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamirovega1332 That's because to make it hot, you have to get your molecular jiggle in resonance with your macro wiggle. 🤓

@typebin 3 жыл бұрын

Simple yet very effective principle. I first experienced this when I made my own lathe. I needed a set of transmission pulleys and I decided to make them myself. I first tried flat ones. After few trials, I realized the belt climbs(!) the pulley and thus convex-shaped ones self-align the belt. Without any flange, it was very easy to turn with my lathe in a short time with minimal material loss. Still it worked really good. The belt slipped off only when the chuck stall accidentally with too much cutting force.

@wolfkermek 3 жыл бұрын

The jiggling chains was such an intuitive visual model, amazing video yet again

@fromap16 3 жыл бұрын

I was expecting Destin to jump and say "snatchblock" and he is there...less than a minute into the video... SNATCHBLOCK!

@TheAeonflux74 3 жыл бұрын

It's not a snatch block. Alright?😎

@AaronzDad 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAeonflux74 SNATCHBLOCK!!!

@simontay4851 3 жыл бұрын

He didn't just say it, he's shouting.

@mohammedumar1580 3 жыл бұрын

5:14 are those the same metal beads you were using when you discovered the groundbreaking mould effect?! The greatest effect known to science.

@SteveMould 3 жыл бұрын

They are

@DavidGuild 3 жыл бұрын

@@SteveMould Was this video just an excuse to play with them again?

@judgeomega 3 жыл бұрын

@@SteveMould you need to put those behind glass. such a historic artifact should be protected!

@BeheadedKamikaze 3 жыл бұрын

@@judgeomega You would not have been able to experience their "molecular jiggle", were he to have done that

@leif1075 3 жыл бұрын

@@SteveMould Hey you never responded to my comment on your other video. Hope you can respond when you can. Thanks.

@Grimmance 5 ай бұрын

Its a physical visible description of the bernouli principal (in reverse) the slower part of the elastic wants to move faster, while the faster part wants to be the same speed as the slower, so it all pushes towards the slowest lowest energy part.

@Kaanin Жыл бұрын

This video helped me. The blade on my cheap, poorly made bandsaw kept slipping off due to some combination of misalignments that I couldn't quite sort out. I noticed the wheel holding the blade was flat and I remembered this video and so I used a knife and some sandpaper to reshape it to a crowned profile shape and voilà it fixed the issue!

@avenuex3731 3 жыл бұрын

“Snatch Block!!!”

@fabianpachano77 3 жыл бұрын

Just a recommendation, in the discretization you should use triangles instead of squares. This avoids the rotation of the individual elements at the nodes and produces a more accurate deformation of the whole system

@newton21989 3 жыл бұрын

B E S T A G O N

@PaperKhaos 3 жыл бұрын

3TRI vs 4QUAD, reminds you of FEM

@inthegame1865 3 жыл бұрын

FEM gang

@JasonBolte 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation! That makes it easy to understand now. Thanks for posting this.

@GodmanchesterGoblin 3 жыл бұрын

This was the first time I have understood how crowned pullies and belts work, and I have been aware of them for around 50 years... Great video! Thanks.

@wouthartveld6226 3 жыл бұрын

Steve Mould: "Heat is just molecular jiggle." 2021 Definitely gonna remember that one😁

@TeslaElonSpaceXFan 3 жыл бұрын

Heat is just a particles movement speed. Its means, if u want reach 0K (absolute zero) u need stop all particles.

@kevinmcdonough9097 3 жыл бұрын

Search "Richard Feynman rubber bands" and you'll actually find a hilarious old video of the brilliant physicist explaining the rubber band phenomenon as jiggling strings. This video was clearly heavily inspired by that original. When Feynman wasn't inventing new physics, he was a huge fan of using accessible language and imagery to explain complex physics, including frequent references to jiggling atoms.

@Just_A_Dude 3 жыл бұрын

@@TeslaElonSpaceXFan "Are you 0K?" "Yeah, I'm cool."

@hdezn26 3 жыл бұрын

@@Just_A_Dude Nah, thats CoLD!

@techspot871 3 жыл бұрын

My fingers have touched molecular jiggling food...and I didn't enjoy it.

@bartmeeuwsen8880 3 жыл бұрын

Always get a good laugh out of Destin's snatch block clip

@AugustMcKenna 3 жыл бұрын

SNATCH BLOCK!

@finnmcrae 3 жыл бұрын

I found it annoying by the end of the video 🙈

@mikieswart 3 жыл бұрын

SNATCH BLOCK!

@Robert_McGarry_Poems 3 жыл бұрын

snatch block SNATCH BLOCK *SNATCH BLOCK*

@simontay4851 3 жыл бұрын

He's not funny, he's annoying. I couldn't finish watching Destin's video about that. He's too shouty and overly dramatic.

@sternwheeler 2 жыл бұрын

I fix old audio equipment as a hobby. Old cassette decks, turntables, open reel tape decks, etc. Crowned pulleys are common, and I’ve always known THAT they work, but now I understand why. Thank you!

@noahman27 3 жыл бұрын

Steve - i love your videos! Came here from Destin's channel. You guys are so great. Thanks for doin' what you're doing.

@edplume7580 3 жыл бұрын

"And just for completion..." Oooh yeah. I like the way you try not to leave loose ends. Your videos are well-packaged.

@likithstochastic 3 жыл бұрын

Rubber band chain analogy is the best part of this video. 5:35 pretty much explains everything!

@N1ghtR1der666 3 жыл бұрын

literally the first time i have ever followed up on a sponsor, what a good idea this blinkist is for those that want to know more but dont have the time to read! thank you

@captain_box 11 ай бұрын

These are often used in vacuums on the brush and are a great example!

@superjugy 3 жыл бұрын

"SNATCHBLOCK!" Hahahaha, I died with those clips. loved that episode.

@acn1580 3 жыл бұрын

Steve, you are by far one of the best educators on youtube. I love a lot of the popular ones, Tom Scott, Kyle Hill, Destin and Derek Muller, etc. But every video you make I find myself going "Ohhh! Of course!" at some point in time. And your curiosity and passion for things that we otherwise just kinda take for granted is infectious. Thanks for what you do.

@SteveMould 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@txwombat7826 3 жыл бұрын

Yup - always travels the the highest point... I learnt about this working for my Father - he engineered many large industrial band saw machines for the Aluminum industry where the blade was riding a crowned wheel (with no lip to hold the blade on). It reduces the overall stress on the blade = more cuts per blade / better productivity etc.....

@skeeterburke 3 жыл бұрын

So technically gifted with words, thanks for giving my brain a break when you say "not doing the thing" at 4:00 😆

@jhonbus 3 жыл бұрын

I hear that Continuum of Springiness are releasing a new album this year.

@P_Ezi 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they can get Molecular Jiggle to open for them.

@TheRealInscrutable 3 жыл бұрын

Are they heavy metal?

@rogermccaslin5963 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Pent Up Energy is the follow up to their debut album Spring Sprang Sprung.

@simontay4851 3 жыл бұрын

Are boing boing and twang some of the tracks.

@ThePlyb 3 жыл бұрын

This entire channel is basically the "why" game kids play, I love it

@kimarna 3 жыл бұрын

"why" should always be encouraged

@Brib8888 3 жыл бұрын

@@kimarna seriously, literally all decisions should have a "why" behind them. It's my favorite thing to ask when someone gets mad at me xd

@bradshymon8012 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the informative video! 👌 however all natural changes are driven by maximizing entropy, I believe your analogy on why the rubber band contracts is hard to get. The rubber molecules have low entropy & low potential energy, while relaxed (not stretched). They tend to contract when being stretched since their molecule bonds deform ( net of springs are handy), thus to get back to their original form(lower energy & a bit higher entropy status), they contract.

@derrickj.freeman276 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this explanation of a concept.

@TheDevice9 3 жыл бұрын

This seems entirely intuitive to me because I worked with belts and pulleys on newspaper presses and delivery systems for a long time. It was a common practice to move the belt position a bit by adding a small piece of tape to one side of the pulley. Or shift the the entire web of paper passing between press units by putting a small piece of tape on a roller that is acting as a pulley guiding the web. I always imagined it had to do with changing the diameter of the pulley on one side, making the belt 'climb' to the high side but I never thought a lot about exactly why it did this. I imagined it pulling harder on one side of the belt. It sounds like I was making it into a sort of crowned pulley, or altering the crown of a that type of pulley.

@SteveMould 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting!

@Mike__B 3 жыл бұрын

I used to tell my students that you can actually feel the entropy change in a stretched rubber band as a temperature change, by using your lip as a thermometer as that part of your body is much more sensitive to changes in temperature. So fun to see a room of students stretching and relaxing rubber bands and claiming "I can feel it warmer/cooler!!"

@chaos.corner 3 жыл бұрын

Someone tried to make an elastic band refrigerator. Didn't work out too well as I recall but interesting nonetheless.

@kevinthealienfpv 3 жыл бұрын

@@chaos.corner Not sure if they were the only ones who did it, but the Myth busters did that. I remember the whole whacky contraption with tons of rubber bands designed to stretch outside the "refrigerator" and contract inside. I too remember it not working particularly well, but it did create a (neglible) temperature difference.

@chaos.corner 3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinthealienfpv I looked it up. It was on the KZfaq channel "applied science".

@gabem949 3 жыл бұрын

@@chaos.corner i watched a video about that a long long time ago lol

@anatexis_the_first 3 жыл бұрын

Haha, didn't expect the SNATCH BLOCK! scene with destin! :D got a good laugh out of that, thanks! Great video, man. On a sidenote, a video of Steve Mould anthropomorphizing random things is something we absolutely need :D

@mliittsc63 11 ай бұрын

Funny, I've thought about this before in the context of the leather belts that were used up until the early 20th century in industrial or farm machinery, and never created a satisfying answer for myself. Until I looked at the thumbnail for this video and saw that the belt was a rubber band. I just never thought of the leather belt as being elastic. If you think about the friction increasing as the band moves toward the center it makes perfect sense.

@ThioJoe 3 жыл бұрын

With your explanation of rubber bands + the video of Richard Feynman explaining them, i think i finally get it

@zyansheep 3 жыл бұрын

Didn't expect to see you here...

@Roriloty 3 жыл бұрын

doesn't expect you was here!

@nathanroberson 3 жыл бұрын

He is my favorite rubber band refrigerator designer. Feynman forever🌸

@MrDaniyalAh 3 жыл бұрын

Oh so the scammer is trying to learn some science now

@JabirAH 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't expect to see you here... (3)

@atuttle 3 жыл бұрын

SNATCH BLOCK! Also, Bandsaws use crowned pulleys on the wheels.

@ps.2 3 жыл бұрын

Does this really work with a bandsaw? As the video demonstrates, the self-centering property seems to be caused by elasticity, and bandsaws have very little of that.

@fewwiggle 3 жыл бұрын

Wheels?

@atuttle 3 жыл бұрын

@@ps.2 They may be there for different reasons, but bandsaw wheels are definitely crowned.

@martinusmagneson 3 жыл бұрын

@@ps.2 The bands of a bandsaw are very elastic, you're just not strong enough to notice :)

@Lizlodude 3 жыл бұрын

@@ps.2 Everything is elastic if you try hard enough ;)

@ColMcWillis 2 жыл бұрын

Huge fan of Matthias's builds, especially his Pantograph routers

@crisrody852 2 жыл бұрын

Mathias is nuts! I once saw he building a tool that was precise in the nanometers. You'll never need to be more precise than a milimeter in woodworking. He is just that perfectionist

@altosack 11 ай бұрын

“never” - that word you are using: I don’t think it means what you think it means! …and you may not be a woodworker.

@fermitupoupon1754 8 ай бұрын

Sub-millimetre precision in woodworking is very much a thing. Also a tool that's precise in the nanometres seems like hyperbole, given that at the time of writing ASML is basically the only manufacturer who makes nanometre precise tooling of any kind. Micrometres, yes, I can very much see Mattias tweak and fidget until he gets to that point. Personally in all my years of being a fine furniture maker, I have never bothered with a scale smaller than a tenth of a millimetre. For surfaces that are touched, or that are in direct sight, like say an inlay, sub-mm accuracy and precision are most definitely a thing.

@tubewatcher77 3 жыл бұрын

I was always wondering, when I saw old pictures about machines with transmission belts, why they wouldn't slip off easily. Because I couldn't see a rim on the wheels.

@mollago 3 жыл бұрын

"Heat is just molecular jiggle"

@testiesmcgee9019 2 жыл бұрын

Matthias is an incredible creator. I love his vaned extraction blowers etc

@rashiro7262 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if my explanation is correct but I think the reason the band doesn't fall of is the following: the part of the rubber-band that is closer to the middle is stretched more, therefore it has to cover more distance compared to the part of the band further away from the middle. This creates and internal stress in the band that pulls it towards the middle.

@mandisaplaylist 3 жыл бұрын

5:18 This entropy has a name, it is called "mixing entropy". When you stretch the rubber, it unmixes (due to becoming ordered in the direction of stretching) and the heat will then remix it back.

@theincapable 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't entropy always connected to some kind of mixing / dispersion?

@birdlady2725 3 жыл бұрын

It is amazing. I wish I had had YT when I was young, as it seems I am understanding more by the way these show n tell ways so not so bright people like me can understand better. Thank you for taking the time to teach.

@ZopcsakFeri 3 жыл бұрын

Matthias Wandel's video is so old it's Mouldy now! :D But I do remember his explanation back then and it was fantastic! He basically tele-fixed my bandsaw! He is the most underrated youtuber that has ever existed, more people should be aware of his works

@jacostilla 2 жыл бұрын

Adding a bit to the model. Ruber is a thermoset, meaning the spaghetti is held together at specific points in the chain. Those anchor points also help with the "memory" of the elastomeric molecular chain in the very specific case of a rubber band. Great explanation of heat and movement!

@mattpellico5255 2 жыл бұрын

Something you glossed over in this explanation is that this centering works even on a flat belt with very little tension. Hard to put this into words, but I would say that the end effect of angling the the belt off from its 'length' alignment causes the belt to climb toward the crown of the pulley. For many flat belt machinery tasks the belt is quite laterally stiff (does not flex along its width dimension) and can be under very little tension. Often times a tractor does not need to line up its drive pulley perfectly parallel to the driven pulley to keep the belt in place well enough. Twisting the belt is done to reverse the pulley rotation as needed. The broad surface of the belt provides enough friction to turn the pulleys even with low tension. One rule of thumb I have heard is 1 hp per inch (of belt width). This power ratio works even with a slack belt, but it increases with tension.

@buzzzysin 3 жыл бұрын

"Atomic Jiggle" is my new favourite word for thermal energy

@theincapable 3 жыл бұрын

What you probably mean by heat is called thermal energy in physics. Thermal energy is what is already there in contrast to heat which is the energy that is transferred. But the latter would also make sense for atomic jiggle / jiggling. So maybe this what you meant all along.

@kevinbryan9620 3 жыл бұрын

Atomic Jiggle sounds like a physicist's dance move

@birdlady2725 3 жыл бұрын

New bumper sticker for menopausal women Lol! "Going through an increased Atomic Jiggle. Beware."

@buzzzysin 3 жыл бұрын

@@theincapable thanks, been a "hot" minute since my last physics lesson

@WarpRulez 3 жыл бұрын

"When you extend it, it wants to be short again." "You are anthropomorphizing an inanimate object." "Ok, I'll put it in terms you'll understand: A shorter rubber band is energetically favorable."

@birdlady2725 3 жыл бұрын

I think I'm a reincarnated rubber band Lol! Short....

@TannerSwizel 11 ай бұрын

Wow, a mention of my two other favorite channels! I wish I had known of you 2 years ago as it happened, but I'm here now ☺️

@charlesalderman6237 3 жыл бұрын

Many years ago Mr. Wizard did something similar. If you connect two identical balloons with a valve, the air flows from the less inflated to the more inflated balloon. The rubber mass is more dense in the less inflated balloon, and the contraction force is greater

@charlesalderman6237 3 жыл бұрын

Similarly, the less stretched side of the rubber band is pushed toward the more stretched side

@Myopicvisions 3 жыл бұрын

As a woodworker, I learned about this when I bought my first bandsaw. The wheels are "crowned" and we adjust the angle of one of the wheels to center the part of the blade we want to ride on the crown.

@DanHoke 2 жыл бұрын

It's interesting to me that this works even though the bandsaw blade is a fairly rigid structure.

@garethbaus5471 2 жыл бұрын

@@DanHoke most 2x72 belts are also pretty stiff.

@legionofanon 2 жыл бұрын

Horizontal band saws are just like vertical saws, but with a twist

@DrakiniteOfficial 3 жыл бұрын

Steve, you are so good at taking complex phenomena and explaining them with easy to understand, real world analogies and models. You're one of my favorite creators. Thanks for being such a great educator and making such fantastic content.

@jerrywtt 3 жыл бұрын

You’ve definitely succeeded in adding to Matthias Wandels video. Very informative and super enjoyable to watch!

@nenmaster5218 2 жыл бұрын

This Channel here reminds me of Hbomberguy; my Favorite Place to learn. Well, that and Veritsaium.

@electronale 2 жыл бұрын

thank you so so so much for this! i was looking for this kind of pulley for my 3dprinter belt. now they dont slip from the gantry! thank you so much!

@guilhermetorresj 3 жыл бұрын

4:57 That explanation kinda of fits most of what happens in our universe, if you think about it.

@williamreynolds6132 3 жыл бұрын

I pictured Destin getting a good laugh out of this video. You’re both so great at presenting a topic/concept.

@alexandermoorehead3200 3 жыл бұрын

I got my start in tech support working for a grocery store. The self checkout bill dispenser used these. I knew how to fix them (usually the band would start to slip off if it wore out so just replace the band) but never knew why this setup works. Thanks!

@cfranco714 2 жыл бұрын

I love that he keeps telling you the reasons for the reasons for the reasons and just after he makes you think more reasons are too complicated, boom! a video explaining those reasons!

@GrubbyZebra 3 жыл бұрын

I always knew these were self-centering (since seeing them on my hoover), now I know why!

@nizarch22 3 жыл бұрын

You can see he's starting to get into creating prototypes of concepts more and more frequently as time moves on. Everyone loves that.

@flochartingham2333 3 жыл бұрын

I've seen this type of rubber belt/crowned wheel arrangements on cylinder and platten presses and never thought about how that works. I saw the thumbnail of this video and immediately realized that the belt finds the high spot on the wheel because there is more tension on the belt the higher the diameter, giving the belt more traction and tension to go in that direction.

@chriscubbernuss3288 3 жыл бұрын

This was a great collaboration with Destin. You guys should work together more often.

@rupert7565 3 жыл бұрын

I would have imagined that the more stretched out part experiences a different amount of friction due to more contact area and higher pressure, resulting in a net force, or something like that.

@sterlinghamiltonracing6487 3 жыл бұрын

That’s what I assumed as well

@bramvanduijn8086 3 жыл бұрын

Both explanations are probably true at the same time, his curvature explanation in part explains the increased contact area.

@justinobenauer1352 3 жыл бұрын

This is the more formal explanation whereas the furthest rotational surface of the ball is rotating faster generating more "pull" on the wide surface causing the wider band to creep up the ball. Old farm equipment as pictured were not rubber so the theory of the curvature of the band being the simple answer is not the full one. This answers why the thin band moved downward as well due to the lack of surface frictional differences. Its kind of funny because physicists have been struggling with the same problem of why bicycles tend towards staying upright while moving forward with no rider. This is the outline for the solution and shows the frictional differences in how the ground actually tugs at the tire to pull the steering mechanism in the direction of the fall, thus moving the center of gravity to the opposite side of the fall.

@radicalxedward8047 3 жыл бұрын

I hate when reviewers, science channels, etc say they avoid covering stuff other people have already covered. I watch that channel because I like the way they explain things or their presentation style or because I wouldn’t think to learn about that topic otherwise, etc. like I never would have thought to look up an 11 year old video about crowned pulleys but it’s an interesting thing. I wish youtubers would just talk about stuff they find interesting rather than worrying so much about what other youtubers are doing.

@SteveMould 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting perspective, thank you. I'm going to take that on board.

@Doomemdtrader 2 жыл бұрын

This explanation really helps, not just highlighting it, but showing that intuition does work, if the rubber string is as wide as thick. Now I am only curious whether there's an maximum angle on the surface the rubber band is attached to where it stops creeping upwards, or perhaps the bend depends on the angle and with higher angles, the band bends more and consequently something else gives first before this phenomenon starts to swing the other way. Nice.

@AntonioClaudioMichael 2 жыл бұрын

Very intriguing video and awesome explanation

@kenf6662 3 жыл бұрын

We have been crowning wheels for bandsaw blades for years, amazing how engineering works

@CuriousDoc 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers for the blinkist recommendation Steve. I sometimes skip over sponsored content but I found blinkist really useful over the past few months to digest content :)

@andrewdewar8159 2 жыл бұрын

When I was a mechanical apprentice they made us do the maths for belt drives. I can't remember it now but you had to know the tenstion on the tight and the loose side . They told us that belts move up on pulleys. It there are several diameters on the same axle, each diameter curves up to the step / shoulder to the next pulley. They made us calculate for V belts as well. Never used it. Thanks for explaining it.

@slimslimonstar8454 2 жыл бұрын

Lots of conveyor belts at work have a crowned side, but this explaination of that is pretty cool.

@Joeybagofdonuts76 3 жыл бұрын

Always good to see Destin. Love his channel too.

@eliaschmidt9035 3 жыл бұрын

This was absolute class. You can really tell that Steve has *way* deeper knowledge of all of this than what he shows in the video and yet makes it easy to understand for everyone. I'm impressed. Chapeau

@randomusername396 2 жыл бұрын

I respect you so much for always trying to give credit to the other people who have also made videos about whatever the topic is. It's something not many people do on KZfaq.

@markriley24 3 жыл бұрын

I volunteer at a Koreshan State park in Estero Florida in the winters. We work on and demonstrate antique machines that use pulleys that use this technique. They still work!