Stihl BR800 X Backpack Blower ran with no oil. Will it run? AND Echo PB-9010T carb adjust.

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Жыл бұрын

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My name is Bre. I took two years of small engine repair at the local college. When I left school, I fell into a wonderful job at a local small engine shop where I worked the counter for a couple years. In 2010 my husband and I opened up our own small engine shop in central Arkansas where I am able to work alongside my family and best friends. We see over 2,000 pieces of small engine equipment every year, and answer 1,000's of small engine questions. We specialize in brands such as Briggs and Stratton, Kohler, Echo and Shindaiwa, but work everyday on MANY other brands like Stihl, Husqvarna, Honda, Craftsman, Remington, Red Max, Troy Bilt, Scag, Bad Boy, Hustler, World Lawn, Poulan, Mantis, Etc.. Hopefully, my experience I share, will save you Time, Money and Frustration in the future!
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@Chickanic 2 ай бұрын

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@laurentdubot2402 10 ай бұрын

I was looking for a lightweight blower for my deck. kzfaq.infoUgkxgioZQl3J5wPGAeDINzbieKbT5qomSEx3 There are some huge trees around my house and the leaves and pods drop all over my deck. Having to move furniture around to sweep has become too big a chore. This blower was the answer. It is light enough for this 70yr old lady and powerful enough to blow all the tree droppings off my rather large deck. Thank you B&D. Be aware the cord is not included. I use a 3 prong outdoor cord 25' cord for my 12' x 20' deck. The cord retainer works very well, but don't try to pass the plug through it. That is NOT how it works. You just have to loop the cord and it works great. One of my best purchases. Very happy.

@joshhouston4682 Жыл бұрын

This one certainly didn’t save you any time, money, or frustration but it sure helped the rest of us! 😊 Thanks for giving it far more than a fair chance!

@billfleming8281 Жыл бұрын

If anyone could fix this , it’s you ! You are by far and away one of the best mechanics in the business , hands down . Wished I lived closer , I’d love to meet you and thank you in person for all you do for us ! Love watching your channel .

@raymondcastro7938 Жыл бұрын

Yep she's one of the best

@KatyMeg Жыл бұрын

On STIHL 4-stroke mix lubricated engines, when there is a lack of lubrication, typically the piston pin bushing will heat up and seize before the piston and cylinder score. I have purposely run many STIHL 4-stroke mix lubricated engines with no lubrication in tests and they rarely score a piston and cylinder. Almost always the wrist pin seizes first. This engine uses a bushing pressed into the con rod for the piston pin (STIHL R&D found that needle bearings cannot withstand the combustion pressures of the 4-stroke engine). At minimum you are going to need a new crankshaft and piston. It may be more cost effective to replace the shortblock. The unmixed fuel was likely the cause for the failure.

@edwardettere2982 9 ай бұрын

Do you know if there's a permanent fix/repair for the BR 800 muffler continuing to deteriorate and fall off? I own 2 of 4 that have this issue.

@johnpugh67 Жыл бұрын

I am pleased to hear that you enjoyed your break. I am 69 years old and live in Adelaide South Australia. I remember when I started using a lawn mower at about 10 years old, being taught every time you added fuel, you checked the oil level in the sump. No sump , you made sure you used 2 stroke mix. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Please keep up the great work. Kind regards John

@TheMaximzodal 8 күн бұрын

Your videos are ALWAYS instructive and engaging! Thanks!

@tauncfester3022 9 ай бұрын

If the seize is not too bad you can break the piston free by filling up the cylinder with heavy oil and using a very long reach spark plug like a NKG BEHS type of plug used in a car engines. basically hydraulic ram effect, you need to remove all the air from the top before tightening down, have broken free a few soft seizes in my time using this method. Remember to run proper amounts of 2 stroke oil premix in your 2 stroke equipment.

@williamabramovitz9045 Жыл бұрын

You are a master tinkerer, luv your hoodie.

@georgehofgren6123 Жыл бұрын

Actually found this to be a highly engaging video.... Definitely one of your better productions, and it Wasn't wasted on a unit you couldn't make (immediately) run. That Echo looks like a hefty machine.... Hopefully just a wrist pin and piston and you can make part II. (depending on the price, if it were mine, i might just leave that piston, bore the rod bearing hole and just go with a new pin and rings. 💁) ✌️ ~

@bigdonnie336 Жыл бұрын

Good to see you back Really enjoyed the vacation pictures of you

@slapyomomma Жыл бұрын

You'd leave the piston? She broke a chunk off the piston skirt.

@williemoon7522 Жыл бұрын

i work at Lowes but not in seasonal where most powered equipment is sold .. the people on the floor dont know anything about the product they are selling so they cant alarm the customer on the do`s and dont`s of using their newly purchased product .. rarely does a piece of equipment come back because of a defect .. it comes back because of misuse by a first time buyer who did`nt read the instructions ..

@independentthinker8930 Жыл бұрын

I remember in the "early" days, people were horrible about putting straight gas in 2 stroke outboard motors. We never loaned them because of that

@aao8181 Жыл бұрын

It’s nice to see that even the pros run into jobs like this too.😊 I’m a landscaper of 20 years & work on my equipment myself. Most of the time I get things fixed without a hitch but every so often I get one that fights me every inch of the way. I run echo and am real pleased with them. They are powerful and it looks like they are easier to work on than Stihl. If the customer doesn’t want you to fix it maybe you’ll get some good spare parts out of it. Really enjoy your videos 👍

@eathans_small_engines8665 Жыл бұрын

I’ve found echos are fun to run but a pain in the ass to work on

@laurapalmerTDGE Жыл бұрын

+ Time to offers the clients a bottle of Saber to blend a few gallons.

@watermanone7567 Жыл бұрын

This is one of the 4 cycle fuel mix engines as far as I can see. Lots of customers are burning them up due to the 4 cycle and thinking that they don't need fuel mix. Great video, Many thanks.

@andrewalexander9492 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, to be honest, I had no idea there was such a thing until I saw this video. Then when she was holding the cylinder in her hands, I was thinking, wait, this has valves .... ummm is this a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke? Couldn't figure out how a 2 stroke with poppet valves would work, unless it was forced induction like a Detroit diesel. ANyway, I downloaded a manual for it and figured out what it was, but I could completely see someone getting confused by it being a 4 stroke engine and trying to run it on straight gasoline. Learn something new every day, I guess.

@locodiablo8130 Жыл бұрын

Ya.... Stihl's terminology '4 mix' isn't good... I'm sure many a Stihl engine has been burned up by confusion if not familiar with what the engine actually it,

@watermanone7567 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewalexander9492 You are correct, I have seen many burned up from using straight gasoline. Also they have a huge issue because they use a plastic cam shaft that wears out often, even melts sometimes. Thanks

@dennisyoung4631 Жыл бұрын

Almost want a little solenoid pump with an oil tank, and have it squirt the stuff in when it’s running…. Squirt a good dose when starting, then squirt more in at high revs… Have the unit not allow running when it’s low on oil, when the battery’s down (lithium-ion battery, so it’s rechargeable)…

@JLange642 Жыл бұрын

Failure analysis is a perfect way to learn the in and outs of any piece of equipment. It is highly surprising that the wrist pin bearing froze that solid without scoring having been worse first. Must have been a super tight tolerance on that bearing from the factory and it expanded the quickest. Definitely give us a follow up on it!

@billterri4889 9 ай бұрын

Actually what I've been learning is that these higher end Stihl blowers DO NOT have needle bearings. Instead they have a bronze bushing that are known to fail like this...

@paulmcreynolds1774 Жыл бұрын

Glad to have you back. Really missed your videos. You can't win them all and it's hard to believe that the customer ran it without oil. So sad and frustrating.

@michaelmaker8169 Жыл бұрын

Sometimes you have employees that don't pay attention and put regular gas in. Couple weeks ago I was in the shop and one blower had a hole in piston, two didn't sound any good. And last one I looked at looked like straight gas. Changed it checked compression, aah ok. Got to start popping off but ran out of time. May need new plug mechanic thought. Train your employees to make sure they are putting in the right gas. Not just the can but when they pour it in.

@billwolgamott1910 9 ай бұрын

I ran straight gas in a PB 9010. The same thing happened, the wrist pin bearing was locked up. I now have the big Stihl 800. It works good.

@kbjerke Жыл бұрын

Missed you, Bre! I always enjoy your videos, especially on a Sunday morning along with a cup of coffee. Stay well!!

@wallysworkin823 Жыл бұрын

Wrist pin is a common failure with Stihl, they don’t use bearings they are bushings. In most cases the crank and piston kit need to be replaced. You can also get a stubby version of the baby D adjustment tool so you don’t need to take the air box off.

@billfleming8281 Жыл бұрын

I bought my echo PB9010 because of your reviews , it’s a beast , I love it . Makes yard work an absolute breeze . Thanks !

@scottcoulter858 Жыл бұрын

just got one , for snow in western canadq

@John-gj9db Жыл бұрын

Haha, I’m a Kiwi. Love when you say “ it’s all burned up” 😊. Here we say “it’s stuffed, or it’s buggered” . Love your videos, keep ‘em coming.

@Hydrogenblonde Жыл бұрын

Heat the piston with a propane torch and apply oil to the pin. Try to drive the pin out while it's hot. I'd really like to see what happened to the rod bearing. Rod bearings hardly ever lock up like that when the rest of the engine is OK. Very good video!

@nm6405 Жыл бұрын

Stihl's 4 mox blowers do not use bearings for the wrist pins. Which why when the motors fail the wrist pin always locks up.

@j.chrisbeck7492 Жыл бұрын

It's a bushing, not a needle bearing as it should be

@AussieChris322 12 күн бұрын

New subscriber, loving your videos, learnt a lot as a homeowner, thank you, best wishes from Oz🇦🇺

@jeffpiatt3879 Жыл бұрын

I would have tried some 'torchy love" on those stuck parts. A lot of times, the oil gets so hot that it cooks into a glue that can be loosened by the torch. Also, the piston pin is steel and with the piston aluminum, it would have expanded quite a bit quicker than the steel did with heat.

@peterfrench4612 4 ай бұрын

Your an Awesome Mechanic and look like a Scientist when wearing Your glasses!

@stevenkelly8561 Жыл бұрын

I'm confident you'll fix it, whether for the customer or for yourself! 👍

@gumby5125 Жыл бұрын

I've had one of these Magnum BR 800x blowers come to my shop last year, and the same issue, only worse. The owner's crew put straight gas in the tank and 2 days later, Wham ! I told the owner that I already knew what I would find if I opened up the engine and it would cost more in labor to do so. However, he said go ahead and make sure that it's as bad as you think. 😆 $150 in labor later and the cylinder, valves, piston were all toast. The crankshaft and bearings survived some how. Needless to say, it's sitting in a box for over a year now and the customer has not paid for the inspection labor. He said he paid over $900.00 for the unit. All I can say is, if you don't follow the instructions for your equipment, it will cost you big bucks later.

@johnlenoir1023 Жыл бұрын

I don't see how you consider it a failure you figured out what the problem was obviously it's definitely a big problem and you fix the other backpack blower at least now it runs what seems to be properly I love the videos keep them going

@67enfield Жыл бұрын

It's good to have you back. Another great video .

@basementracer7622 Жыл бұрын

Back in the day we used to leave Diesel in a seized cylinder, used to work great. Thanks for sharing.

@rebeltaz123 Жыл бұрын

I honestly enjoy your "failure" videos. As a self taught, self employed small engine mechanic, even though I've been doing this for almost ten years, it's always nice to see that I am not the only one who does things a certain way, or has certain issues...

@delseckora5327 Жыл бұрын

Win some lose some. Great video Bre. It shows the real world of what small engine techs go through daily. Customers still think a screw driver, crescent wrench, and hammer is all that is needed to work on this type of equipment. Oh and they must also think we have no bills to pay because they don't want to pay you for your services if the equipment isn't repairable or cost effective to do so.

@catchacow1927 Жыл бұрын

Great to see you back! I hope your holiday was fantastic

@luvingfully Жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoyed your vacation. Looking forward to seeing part 2 of this episode.

@keithienmason4643 Жыл бұрын

Hello Ms Veronica I have a Red Max back pack blower my real dad sent it to me for a Christmas gift the gift caught me by a surprise it's the coolest thing a dad could buy a son for a Christmas gift family and friends are a blessing to have around

@lisamcqueen8509 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to Part 2! Thank you, Steve

@jrhendershot1936 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing you get it to come back to life and how good it works

@jairusbarringer7525 Жыл бұрын

You put more into it than most shops would.. Hopefully they'll be a part 2

@leehuff2330 Жыл бұрын

Welcome back and I'm glad you enjoyed your vacation. As for getting something running, you actually DID accomplish that with the simple adjustments on the Echo.

@BrandondoodTrains Жыл бұрын

Thank you for all you do. I've been rebuilding 2 john deere 14sb mowers and small tips have helped a lot on the journey. Your channel is awesome

@brianbonner8069 Жыл бұрын

Hope y'all had a great vacation! Missed your videos and glad y'all had a safe trip.

@claudecooley4829 Жыл бұрын

I always enjoy your videos I learn things that help me keep my personal equipment running. I've got an Echo Trimmer, Echo Rototiller, Honda Lawnmower, Mclane Edger and Craftsman Generator for use around the house.

@martinburgess4814 Жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed your vacation you deserved it.Great to have you back.All the best to you all.

@mikehuffaker3593 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see you back! Good on y’all for taking some time off.

@RJohio Жыл бұрын

I find it fun to prediagnois....with you. 40+ years of shop time. still enjoy learning. Just can't do the physical part all day anymore....your Awesome

@don1857 Жыл бұрын

After the epic ice storm in'98, I went to my friendly Husqvarna/Jonsereds dealer for some parts. There was a rack of chain saws in the shop, all looking brand new. The mechanic told me that everybody and their brother went out and bought saws to clear all the damaged trees. Every one of the saws was run on straight gas and seized up. No one read the owners' manuals. No warranty, just spare parts.

@philipvalka1006 Жыл бұрын

Just want to say, I always enjoy watching your videos your tips on your pointers. They are a blessing so I hope God blesses you and your family. Thank you.

@robcole332 Жыл бұрын

Fixed or not, great video. Proves its not always what we think it appears to be. Your hunger for diagnosing properly proved that. Thanks for a very informative and instructional video. AWESOME

@berniestewart1738 Жыл бұрын

I hope you saved someone’s job. Great stuff as always.

@ericwinton2431 Жыл бұрын

Welcome back from vacation. Bet you miss the warm weather LOL. Happy to see ya back making videos. Wanting to see a follow up video. Hopefully there will be a part 2!!

@LessThanHandy Жыл бұрын

I was so looking forward to you bringing it back to life for your customer but it is what it is - no way anyone can say you didn't try...

@thomassteed390 Жыл бұрын

They are always uplifting.

@seriksson9721 Жыл бұрын

The rod bearing needs oil too. Very interesting movie. You are good. Thanks

@ronthompson2366 Жыл бұрын

Great video... brought back some great memories of my years as a small engine mechanic. Which is why I watch your channel... nope fully retired and enjoy retired life lol . But it is as you know something in our blood. That keeps us interested... ANYWAY... you did it right and you have it all on flim. So you can show the customer. Who will probably opt out of repairing it. Hopefully you can keep it and replace the piston .. hone the cylinder lightly and have it back up and running. Really enjoy your program. Keep up the great work 👍

@gunnutmike Жыл бұрын

Glad you came back! Nice tan, looks like you had fun. Not disappointed; now we know how to tear one of these apart!

@dalekundtz760 Жыл бұрын

Sorry you couldn't get it running in this video but am sure you will for a part 2? It is nice to see that even the pros occasionally can't fix things on first try. Am glad you are back home from your vacation. Love your videos and have learned so much from you! Time to put a new one on your Santa list...lol.

@richardflagg3084 Жыл бұрын

Great video Bre!! The BR 6,7,800's engine design gets really expensive once you get past regular maintanence. Bearings are unserviceable and a reseal (replace crankshaft seals and gasket maker for the pan) requires a good bit of labor. Removing the blower fan can be a bear also. Simplicity of the true two stroke blowers is much better for the long run. Ease of service, and rebuilds. I work on this stuff all day and I own a PB9010. Short block replacement for these 4-Mix units are only a viable repair if it's under warranty.

@leehuff2330 Жыл бұрын

I have a 4-mix FS131, and I can't get used to that congested SOUND they make compared to a true 2-cycle. It starts right up and cuts great, but that sound makes me want to order the aftermarket parts and overhaul my 20 year old FS-85. The bottom end is fine (no excess play or noise in the bearings), but the cylinder and rings are worn so she's not compressing adequately. She's sitting in my toolshed for now until I get some time to work on her.

@briantii Жыл бұрын

@@leehuff2330Funny I prefer the sound. Sounds like a 4 stroke dirt bike. It’s far less annoying that the 2 stroke sound.

@alfernandez4881 8 ай бұрын

You are the best 😊 I love watching your videos I learn a lot with your videos

@AnomadAlaska Жыл бұрын

I like that you are a mechanic and try to find the root cause. The last two shops I took my old car to just threw parts at it.

@krisw8597 Жыл бұрын

Awesome job as always, thank you for the insight.

@the_bloke_that_cuts_the_grass Жыл бұрын

Great video! I hope it gets ingrained in my mind each time I fuel up having a mixture of 2 and 4 stroke engines! Similar to when you get your car fuelled up and your household has a mix of petrol and diesel cars. I always pause, say to myself “ now what car am I in, what fuel am I about to put in”😂. Will be interesting to see what decision the customer comes to-repair or replace.

@darksiant04 Жыл бұрын

Another great video... informative maybe not in fixing the actual problem, but it does show what can happen if you use straight gas in a 2-stroke.

@larrypalmer2415 Жыл бұрын

A very enjoyable and informative video! I love it!

@Whatsintheshop Жыл бұрын

It was still a great video regardless if the blower was fixed or not. You make great content. Cheers

@Maz-2393 10 ай бұрын

Great video again - sometime these things are there to test one’s patience - so welldone on doing and sharing the autopsy :)

@phyllismacevicius8821 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for uploading this one. We had the same thing in our shop recently.

@BM-wk2ry 6 ай бұрын

I just wanted to thank you for posting this video. I didn’t realize my son has been putting straight gas in my magnum 800. It stopped working while I was using it and when i tried to start it again the cord was super hard.. but I follow all the steps from you checking the color of the gas “which told me what the issue was” to adding oil to the piston which in my case it actually worked !!! THANK YOU..

@mikejerrett7354 Жыл бұрын

No disappointment here. Your videos are awesome, I was glad you tore it apart I wanted to see what was wrong. I even poured another coffee to watch it lol 😆.

@johnskitzis6540 Жыл бұрын

That sucks! Customer should keep it as a parts blower. Costly mistake on their behalf. Thanks for the vid!

@haneyoakie14 Жыл бұрын

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1034">17:14</a> I’m glad you are using this guitar piece again. Super cool.

@gailjohnson6670 Жыл бұрын

Good video. I learn so much from you. Wish I had your skills. Thank you for the video. Blessings to you.

@jllaine Жыл бұрын

actually I liked that 30 minutes later the pin had you beat and that's life, thanks for sharing the imperfect and lets hope for a part2.

@brad9123 Жыл бұрын

Bree you're a good lady and you're helping alot of people!!!!

@donf3739 Жыл бұрын

Years ago I had to rebuild a 2-cycle Evinrude outboard, because I let some people use the boat, and they put straight gas in it. Thanks for bringing back that painful memory. 😁

@bassman6619 Жыл бұрын

These things happen all the time I've had my share of riders and echo chain saws over the years. I still my old echo 510 evl . Nice video.

@clrd4tkoff Жыл бұрын

Awesome video!! Well the 800 might not have worked out. But you definitely help me out with the 9010. I have the tools but there was no information out there on how to adjust the carburetor. The Ecco dealer adjusted it but its still just a hair off depending on the temperature. So Thank You very much!!👍🏻👍🏻🤗🤗

@darrellyea6470 Жыл бұрын

Great to see you back.

@philheese1728 Жыл бұрын

Hey, it happens. I think it might be worth fixing, for maybe half the price of new. Oh, well, it’s up to the customer. Great video, can’t wait for the next one. Glad you had a good vacation. Take care.

@jamesaydelott2487 Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine had the 9010 Echo and he said within three years it was already wore out but he owns a lawn service so imagine how much they used it

@human1513 Жыл бұрын

Squeek squeek there is a mouse in the blower. 🤣🐭 The world is not perfect nor are human made machines. But your videos are. 👍

@robertmspooner Жыл бұрын

Luv the music as you were taking it apart ...

@beerdrinker6452 Жыл бұрын

Always interesting and informative content. Thank you.

@user-lr4id9pf8y Жыл бұрын

My favorite part was listening to the seized piston

@cptyler150 Жыл бұрын

Apply a torch to the Piston for a short time while in a press of in a bench vice then you can pop the center pin out

@larrycole1400 Жыл бұрын

I admire your tenacity

@lonhoschar1943 Жыл бұрын

You can't fix them all! Great video Bre!! Loved it. I would say go ahead and fix it. Might run for a long time and at half the price of a new one???

@kenthammarstrom8255 Жыл бұрын

you was trying to help out your customer and did find the problem 👍 not every one will go that far, they quote you a new unit right away.. yes, agree it is not fun to report to your customer they have broke their unit beond repair.

@bobroberts9354 Жыл бұрын

There both great blowers I have both of them. Good luck

@12namleht Жыл бұрын

I had this issue on a Stihl 600 blower I garbage picked. I used ATF mixed with gas- Fill the cylinder & let it soak overnight. Then disassemble the Cylinder & piston...used a bead hone on the cylinder & replaced the rings. Still going after 5 years of commercial use.

@edl5074 7 күн бұрын

Great effort great to see what happens with just gas

@ronomdalen3186 7 ай бұрын

Have fun I just had one of these in my shop I think when people here it’s a four stroke they think it doesn’t need oil in gas I got by with a piston and cleaned up the cylinder

@phillipseaton7163 Жыл бұрын

Welcome back you tried about everything you could i'll watch for part two

@danielrobert7181 Жыл бұрын

Hope you had a great vacation Bre. I prefer the metallic sound those 2-stroke reeds generate (my lawn mower is a Duraforce engine Lawn Boy) but for sure my neighbours prefer my 4-stroke BR 600 blower for its lower pitched and more muffled sound. It might generate a comparable decibel level but it definitely feels less agressive to the ear. Stay safe and be merry !

@armchairtin-kicker503 18 күн бұрын

Once I had this neighbor, an Air Force mechanic, a mechanic who worked on Pratt & Whitney J58 jet engines, the engines used by the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. Anyway he borrowed my Stihl chainsaw and returned it seized and trashed, having used raw gasoline. I always wonder how man who worked on engines, engines where fuel and lubricants are absolutely critical, could make such an error. Needless to say, going forward, I never let neighbors brower my power equipment again. One of the first lawnmowers my dad owned was a Jacobsen Lawn Queen (1952), a lawnmower without a oil sump/reservoir, one that required a mix.

@marcheld Жыл бұрын

Glad to have you back. First “failure” I’ve seen on your channel. Too bad. But it’s helpful to learn when it’s not worth the time to repair.

@thesmallwoodlot433 Жыл бұрын

That is the way things happen when working on other’s equipment, you stihl put out an awesome video! ( pun intended) have a great week Bre!

@peteschiavoni Жыл бұрын

Welcome back. I hope you had a great vacation. That really stinks about the piston. I’ve been there on my dirt bike. My dad took my premix and put it in his truck. Then refilled my can but never said anything. I fueled up my bike and well let’s just say I turned it into a paperweight. Lol.