Lulz, Brazil will get new customers then. Not even Nintendo chases the clone consoles in Latinamerica...

Was literally going to say this, my college project involves using a surplus of these as hardware, so far we've only had sucess with one model

dedo no cu e gritaria !

I work on an ISP and we receive a lot of complains of these boxes slugging or locking up. The box doesn't work and the client blame the ISP.

wait brazil is worried about Chinese products ???, i belived brazil was friendly towards china, and didnt mind the oppression and hostilities china is known for these days.

my wifi has been so bad with packet loss, my stepdad had one of these with an ethernet, he was kicked out recently and ever since ive had no issues with packet loss at all, i feel like the box couldve been using the connection to its advantage i would be running on 800mbps but 35% packet loss it made no sense

@@ninjrr you were getting packet loss because there was interference from android box causing the Wi-Fi signal to be wonkey. Eating up bandwidth and throttling you doesn’t cause packet loss on game servers.

@@OmgHeDidntJustDoThat thankyou bro

@@OmgHeDidntJustDoThat if the android box is trying to pull more bandwidth than what they were subscribing to it will create packet loss. Once the buffer fills up those packets are dropped. Usually gaming and VOIP are the first to notice. Then streaming apps. Web browsing usually not because people try again and it works the second time.

@@ninjrr sounds like it kept attempting to reach blacklisted IP, those things are made so horribly they just spew garbage on your ethernet, because they aren’t grounded

Did your ISP notify you?

@@goku445 no

@@action963 wow, so you figured it by yourself?

@@goku445 I rang them and they told me this was the reason they blocked the ports

While smartphones SoC is much more powerful than any of those from Amlogic, I don`t see how I can connect it to my monitor via HDMI. Not to mention a remote.

i be using a amd 2400g or 3400g ryzen i love that is like so good gpu wise and 100.00 or so for a running ebay hp elite desk is a great deal i suggest the one with dvd drive yea its bigger but better unit just stay away from lenovo they cpu lock the cpu so i ant buying it out of principle .and if sub 300 is your thing AMD 5700g 8 core units are floating around

Literally any x86 cpu can do that ,but it also come with a cost of heavier CPU usage which lead to electricity bill, and run hotter than those tiny arm chip which operated around 5w.But repurposed it is good idea rather than throw into trashcan

I was wondering when I would see someone else say this ^^

Yea I'm running Kodi on my Pi4 in 1080p60 because it's more responsive. Still able to run up to 4k30 video content. The device changes resolution and refresh rate on the spot.

Even the Xbox Series X|S does this. It's to save on performance and resources, reserving extra for content and games. I'd take a 1080p UI over a stuttery mess any day.

Thanks to bring up ANOTHER reason why this video is pure garbage. "Tencent is bad, give your ass to Google and Nvidia instead".

Apple TV 4K also does this to save on resources.

Walmart and best buy adding "marketplaces” is incredibly frustrating when you are trying to fine out if they have something locally.

@@forrest225 The "In-Store Item" check box doesn't exist in your browser? Your frustrating "problem" is fixed with basically less than minimal effort.

​@Nick Bylsma maybe needing to take that action is frustrating to him, Nick. The effort required to fix it is irrelevant. You also could have provided that information to him without the snark. Alternatively, you could've just not responded. Clearly, you get off on giving people a hard time. I suggest a therapist. Have a great day, Nick. Edit: I could have not written could of if I would have. I probably should've. Thanks for making me a better person, grammar nazis.

Stores that added "marketplace" like, say Newegg, basically just ruin their reputation imo and the only way I ever shop on them is by sorting products only from Newegg themselves for instance. If buyers aren't aware they deal with the consequences, which is basically the story of our lives.

@@0741921 i think we all need therapy. Especially when exposed to your average KZfaq comment section.

Yes, especially with s905 soc. In China they have a box called unt403a(which is a retired tv box from isp called china mobile)it has 2gb ram and less than 10 bucks(RMB70) and people flash armbian and openwrt into it.

Open source firmware sounds interesting, how would I get that on my laptop

Some SBCs like Raspberry and Orange Pi can run Android TV OSs

Would be great if he makes one on cheap Android car stereos flooding the internet

Biased wooohooo USA, USA, USA? Edward Snowden would like a word with this biased nonsense.

Linus getting hit by viruses so we don't have to!

Except it's largely BS and shows lack of deeper knowledge

@@VincentFischer -says it's largely BS -doesn't further elaborate the claim -leaves yeah.... sure buddy.. retard

Probably was the cause of the attack n only just got this video through production

@@kevzz108 Linus stated what caused the attack in his video about it weeks ago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r62IlKSIx-DQZXU.html

its easy to make an isolated wifi network and monitor it

Except he found nothing here. 10 minutes of pure speculation (minus the sponsored segments). Just Linus in another chapter of his crusade against China. "Tencent is bad, give your ass to Google and Nvidia instead".

@@sovo1212 Not true, what he said is a real problem. Not everything made in China is bad, but most of theese cheap (re)branded electronics have serious problems. Linus also bashes against Google and Nvidia and other western brands when they do something wrong. It's just less because stricter regulations and external quality controls prevent more bullsh*t. I think people and companies are equally bad around the globe, just the difficulty to f*ck other people up is different from country to country

True and same for many smart TVs.

Mine stick is powered from usb, so it turns on with projector

To add to that discussion, Blu phones and Amazon had a free phone at one time (probably 2009-ish) that was basically locked and home screen ad-supported. It worked well until everyone realized that the phone came pre-loaded with malware that stole user data. After Amazon found out, they discontinued the program entirely. One day, my on screen keyboard got hijacked. I'm generally an optimist so I'm going to assume that it was someone trying to warn me that my phone was compromised. The whole ordeal put me off from Blu entirely, as it should anyone at this point.. Furthermore, I have a Motorola G7 Power from 2020 and when you uninstall Facebook and reboot, it re-installs it. No where in my user agreement did I agree to allow Facebook on my device, but here we are. My current phone is a G Power from early 2022 and it doesn't appear to have that issue.

OSMC (a FOSS linux-based OS that runs Kodi out of the box) produces something called the Vero 4K+. It's pretty much an Nvidia Shield but smaller and runs OSMC.

random brands? try iPhone, Google Phone and the entire "big name" brand, they are all spying on you in every way possible. why nobody is making so many vids about that?

I got the Nvidia Shield TV when it was first released, I think it was in 2015. They weren't selling as well as expected and were discounted. It came with both the remote and controller for, I think, around £120. It has never faltered since and plays everything I've thrown at it so far. Money definitely well spent!

looks like you have identified an gap in the Android TV market. These chinese brands are cheap and unsafe. Nvidia is safe and expensive. You can provide something in the middle. Affordable and safe

​​@@BuckingHorse-Bullxiaomi boxes are pretty cheap their like a bit more expensive than those cheap ass boxes and well Xiaomi is a trusted brand

​@@BuckingHorse-BullSo Xiaomi mi tv box is safe right?

@@Asian_Italydid you not watch the video. anything from china is not safe. you have to spend money to get a name brand device to be safe

Same thing with those shitty 1000 + joystick game systems

​@@ProximalGames ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

@@ProximalGames And 1000+ shitty in-car dash camera systems

i write this under here because the probability that you see this is way higher under the top comment. these boxes in the video are trash, but the company orbsmart makes very good ones with really good hardware and software, in small formfactors.

@@wile123456 endless laws are what we need

Welp

I didnt know they sell american military tanks on amazon now

I hate that Amazon feels like Aliexpress these days, so many categories flooded with garbage and you can only hope for the best when you order. That uneasy feeling getting confirmed sucks, I hope customer service reimburses you somehow.

@@rokutv8870 t95 tank is russian my guy

@@Mr_Stone1 I have prime and haven't touched the store of Amazon in almost a year. If it's not a bunch of fake garabge it's pricing that doesn't even match local retailers, even small independant shops. It's insane how bad Amazon has gotten. If the price IS better, it's only by a dollar or two.

Get an n2+

The vast majority of buyers are pirates. They buy them from local resellers who load custom Kodi in order to get free streaming, especially for pay-per-view sports. Whenever people dabble in illegal backcorner stuff, they know (or ought to know) what they're getting into.

Bro used the word "dubious" 💀

@@Mismter God I hate zoomers

My god, dude... if this channel is godsend for you, you should question your life a bit.

Or you could just not blindly trust cheap products that are listed under 25 different names all with the same picture. You only fall into these traps if you wear a blindfold and refuse to listen to all the warnings. The internet and China are not your friend. They are not selling cheap products out of some goodness of their hearts.

That really sucks, man. Good job for standing up to them for potentially harming their consumer base. Although I have to ask, if you can and if it won’t impact your future job opportunities: Where did you work that had such a scheme going on?

Also a previous digital signage worker. We toyed with android boxes, but we wanted a solution that could do 3 screen outputs for some of our clients, and none of them could do more than 2 at best. I was wary of the China branded cheap boxes, as well, but it's because of hardware inabilities and jank that the boss finally said no to them. Instead we went with masses of Pi4's.

I had one of these. Specifically the 'Tanix' one. Can this thing infect other devices in the network? Especially a windows PC

WIndows embedded now IoT can be stripped down to just be the minimum Windows boot environment and a single application. Digital Signage is a example deployment where you deploy it to boot to Edge in full screen kiosk mode with the no chrome switch. A min win install is less idea attack risk because it lacks the 99.9%of the attack surface of a full setup. I used a Windows server install in college in the min win install. You don't get explorer for a UI it logs on to command prompt and and is aimed at running single use servers that can't go down. Like DNS servers.

In malaysia(my country) some isp salesman offer these kind of android tv player for free to customers who sign up with them. These set boxes with pirated software built in is not legal here, but since the government is so hardworking here they do nothing to stop the sales and distribution of these units, they just say its illegal. You might faces criminal charges if captured though. But the chances of getting caught is 0.0000001% so yeah nobody actually cares. And my country loves free stuff and most of the people here doesnt know what a malware is.

Amazing “I told you so” moment 😂 That’s really cool that you put effort into persuading them out of it though!

Now you can show them Linus's video about those to make it even more clear your _gut feelings_ were right ;)

@@TwinShards i actually sent it to them as soon as i finished watching through myself, hence the extra sense of relief! 😂

Its called amazon firestick... LoL... go ahead keep paying the cable company Haaa dumb

I was going to tell you to show your parents this video ASAP. Then I read the last sentence 😅

huawei is installed AT SCALE across the country because huawei can/will be bought by corporations, while god-knows-where devices are bought individually by users (limiting the reach)

@@Optimistas777 Again, that wouldn't make the ban make sense as you can simply ban corporations from buying Huawei, and it's not new for USA's government to do that.

Funny that.

I believe Huawei parts were set to be used in 5G antennas. That is a major reason they were banned. It was a security risk.

Beat me to it ☺

Who is they? Why would you buy a virus when legit android tv boxes and Netflix exist. Why would you buy Chinese crap instead of solid USA hardware

could you give some source? it sounds awesome. cheap linux box

Glad I did an "armbian" search before commenting ;) A simple media server with all main *arr apps and plex is easy in one of these (no transcoding)

Doubt it works with HDR and Dolby Vision.

how do you get cable channels from those boxes?

@@xilllllix iptv

Maybe but pirated box and illegal iptv host is still illegal in malaysia. My opinion : get an HDTV tuner like my freeview, or get an astro njoy box (my personal pick), or just plug an antenna that is good enough on the back of your tv (will need some work but just search the internet for guidance). All of these options is completely free of monthly payment (njoy allows some content to be subscribed just like postpaid internet, absolutely recommended) just like using an fm radio is free.

Yeah iptv seems quite popular, it does serve its purpose tho, win or lose is win for now right here

And what makes you think nvidia is not doing the same as this tv box? Most companies does the same thing regardless of user concern.

@@GauravKumar-wb9xp Well, at least you know it would be a blow to a serious brand if it came out. Random no name android boxes doesn't have a reputation on the line.

@@rBennich How many times did Facebook close for leaking/selling data? Lost couple of bill and still breathing. Blowback is a joke for multibillion companies that have no competition, because they are backed by the ones whose names we should not mention.

@@rBennich I can agree on reputation part but from my understanding they all do it's just "how they are doing", normally no one going to find out what happening inside.

@@GauravKumar-wb9xpWell, it's hard to disprove speculation. But honestly, it's even worse than a virus-infected andriod box. Ericsson has made the telecom infrastructure that makes up the internet, and they're probably the most corrupt company in the world. Nothing sent over the internet escapes them.

Democracy or Autocracy

i pick the chinese one, easier to detect and probably gonna use your info for revenue, not evidence to be used against u in court :-)

American obviously

Dumb ​@@danzen6246

Def American there's at least some level of accountability

Absolutely. I have two of these (one a stick, the other one a box). They're kind of slow but once you hit play they work very well. And they do Netflix HD, which none of the other boxes does. Can you do HD with a RPi, for example?

There are a lot of maybe's, possibly's and we don't knows on this video's script. Not endorsing these boxes but there is a lot of "it comes from said country so watch out!" here.

@@cassiodalcin This is exactly my problem with a lot of US centric tech content in general , a lot of sinophobic fear mongering without any facts to back them up.

He doesn't like the real chinese stuff, like Xiaomi, DJI, Anker, Ugreen,

my ROM that Linus mentions is based on this devices firmware (Mi box), although Xaiomi hasn't had an update in over a year for this device, older security patch :)

It may be unacceptable if you use it as you would use a Chromecast, but if you actually need what it is capable of it is well worth the price

I bought the 2015 model in 2015 and it has been reliably working for me ever since. Best investment in a media player I ever made. Not like the Open Hour Chameleon, which never received its promised update to Android 6 and stopped working just outside the warranty period or my Boxee Box which went obsolete when the producer got gobbled up by Samsung.

same bro love it

Not a big fan of Nvidia anymore due to their removal of Gamestream to Push Geforce Now to people that don't want it or need it, but the Shield, objectively speaking, is a great box and while I wont be guying anymore Nvidia products for the foreseeable future if ever again, I will run my shield until it completely fucking dies.

@Philip J Fry Roku is trash. No side loading = no good.

I don't know if this would help or not, but you can install alternative home screens on the shield, so you don't need to see the ads if you don't want. 😊

Google's the one that added ads into the AndroidTV stock image, not NVidia.

My Roku TVs support Dolby Vision. I got an ONN QLED set that also supports Dolby Atmos out of the box.

@@MrMega200 Your roku does not support every dolby vision proifle

Apple TV supports Dolby vision, but obviously if you want android you’re out of luck there. I do like my Apple TV though as it’s very smooth and polished and NOT covered in ads (yet)

Mention this on their forum. They'll be more likely to take notice.

Unless the content is properly licensed it’s illegal.

same things in asia, all illegal especially if you're watching any Americana content.

@@EvertG8086 Illegal in Brazil or USA?

@@i64fanatic: Every country except North-Korea, South-Sudan and a few others.

Yeah, I remember my only ever Lenovo PC having that problem.

yeah the cheap amazon china phones are the same deal

those malware is a requirement if u understand CCP laws. Read up and understand China's National Intelligence Law.

+1 to this because I feel they very much are and want to see the proof in a medium like LTT

they do not have malware but it's implied, these are manufactured in china so they will call home to a china ip adress for firmware etc... that's the only thing. These things will not steal you CC or have any malware installed but they are vulnerable.

I seriously don't understand the issue here. Does it really matter if it is some Chinese company invading the privacy of every single customer, or if it is Google, Facebook or any other entity charting your every step and selling the information to whomever?

"I'm glad to see this being brought to light. I've suspected that these devices were malware since they began to appear and I already tell people I know not to buy them." The kodi community call them "loaded boxes", you could create your own legitimate TV box with any computer hooked to a TV and by installing a clean Kodi. Kodi devs even had to spend money to register themselves as a brand, in order to be able to retaliate in courts (which is guy those scammers switched to other names like "android box"). The HUGE issue is that those loaded boxes give the mainstream idea that Kodi is a piracy malware tool while it's simply a client to manage local files and custom addons. *And to answer the obvious question : yes, you could add yourself the addons for illegal content. Those exist somewhere in the world. Not in kodi's official repo of course (those ask for an API key to prove you paid for legal access, HOW DARE THEY?)... but at least you'll get a free malware instead of one priced at 30$ ;)* Oh and by the way... that also voids your right to support : if you report a Kodi issue and your debug log shows illegal addons, your ticket is closed. Why should the already overworked devs provide free support, if you paid *somebody else* for a full (illegal) setup?

@@johanmetreus1268 The problem is invasive malware that may physically compromise your (network) data and/or contribute to bot attacks on institutions. Not the same thing (nor goal) as stealing privacy data.

@@johanmetreus1268 yes it matters, child

For 40-50, he could just buy a Chromecast. Which also runs Android/Google TV. It's the exact same thing except not bad.

@@Marco_Onyxheart Chromecast is shit. Install a couple of apps and watch it stutter. Not enough RAM to keep it smooth. Same with Firesticks.

especially devices made in China after the CCP imposed their National Intelligence Law. A law that no one speaks about, read and understand its scope and purpose.

Yep, big corporations care about as much about privacy and data collection laws as shady black market dealers. It's just that one is going to gather everything it can and sell it to everyone they can, while the other is just looking for your bank information and nothing else. Hmm, I wonder if you could setup a Raspberry Pi to function as one of these boxes?

This. But I'm guessing Linus' video is actually an AD in disguise.

yeah.... can say the same in brazil

Like the days of the cheap sat receiver with super software (smartcard encryption emulator) being sold even in petrol stations in Germany 13 years ago. Good times, all major sat pay TV providers encryption cracked across Europe.

@@mr.bee5225 I’m aware. Just weird to see it being sold in the middle of a mall.

What about if - I don't log-in nothing important on TV box - I put a dedicated hotspot just to TV Box ? will it still can have privileged access to my main router? it can not be a problem without solution.

@@AfonsoBucco i guess guest access is for preventing things like getting access to control ur router, but I don't really know what modern hackers can do

@@AfonsoBucco It still can "steal" your resources, like mining cryptocurrencies, use your internet connection for sharing pirated files or be used as client for DDoS attack or be used as mail server to send spam. Your IP address could be "banned" for some illegal activities. Interesting article on this topic is "Abuse of Honeygain".

100% agree

​@PolymorphicBytes But then, is it expected for a vast majority of consumers to be tech-literate? I don't think so. I believe it should be the responsibility of somebody else to secure these things, or to attempt to educate people, PSA's, school's, something. Just going, "oh well" doesn't seem the correct thing to do.

After owning two cheap Chinese boxes I purchased the first gen shield. I've had it for like 7 years still going strong.

surprised he didnt mention this

Whats the name of this stuff? Or what do i search for to find info? I have a box to i could use for something else!

thing is, lots of those boxes cant even emulate snes. There are cheaper alternatives for emulation

🐝 links gt king pro dl boots os you do bouth for emaution hes just trying to scare people to buy Amazon tv os crap the bouth actly have adds and tracked too lol 😆

But why would you need to use these TV boxes for emulation? You can probably use an older PC or laptop and it'd be much more flexible and convenient. If space is a concern, a second hand mini PC is also an option. Those cheap TV boxes might even be too weak to run 3D games.

Hello Mr. La, i'm quite interested in those debloated custom roms. Where can i contact the devs or what should i look out for?

​@@blkgravidoXDA

For me i don't use amlogic android tv boxes for Android, there is an amazing small yet big enough open source community for those things, we have EmuELEC and Lakka for retro gaming, we have LibreELEC And CoreELEC for kodi media center, we have somewhat official linux manjaro support, we have armbian that has two build one on top of debian and one on top of ubuntu.

If you buy a box to steal the data from someone else, such as stealing movies from Netflix without paying. Then you shouldn’t be surprised if someone steals from you via data theft as well.

I have one that says 6k of course it was fake but the actual specs where good. I have never used Kodi honestly in my country maybe that don't work and I found 0 tutorials on how Kodi is supposed to work ?? But Stremio is the best honestly. I have watched everything for free on Stremio

I've had a tablet from AliExpress with confirmed malware. Sometimes a horoscope ad popped up instead of the website which you were trying to visit. Since i also have Pihole, i could see it trying to access dubious domains just like in this video. As soon as these domains were blocked in Pihole, the ads also stopped popping up... Even more terrifying was that when you put in a pre-paid SIM card, it would randomly dial expensive nternational numbers until the SIM was out of balance (and also it would *receiv* text messages with account verification codes for services i don't use).

The only valid reason to buy any of those tv boxes, tablets, etc with a supported SoC from china is to flash a linux rom like armbian onto them. Wouldn't touch the stock image with a 10 foot pole otherwise.

@arjanvlek I've not had any problems tbh, I bought the iplay40 and iplay50, and they've been running smoothly, and also no bloatware

@@ky5666 true

@@elijah_m not having problems just means you arent aware of what could be going on since its not in front of your face, the devices in this video didnt have bloatware but that didnt mean they didnt have backdoors wide open.

But that's Xiaomi, a reputable brand, even when in America it's ignored by most people.

I bet testing these boxes is the reason they got hacked.

@@TheDalisama nah, would've been cool. it was just a email attachment.

@@TheDalisama were you living under a rock?

@@Laughing_Individual no, but I'm sad to see that you don't have a sense of humor.

@@TheDalisama It was supposed to be a joke? Had no funny part, that's why everyone mistaken it for just a strange statement

You're talking nonsense, they only work good if you dont connect to any kind of internet, which means no netflix, no hulu, no disney+, no YT, no nothing, theyre almost unusable on wifi since theyre sending your social security number to china 100% of the time, so stop lying lol

Ruh roh

More like manufactured E-Waste that demolishes the home media community, in particular the popular image Kodi which is prominently listed in the components ( at 0:19 ) despite being a totally legit software when you download it by yourself

The video is full of errors. He completely missed his subject. This kind of box is great for audio passtrough, and 4k video playback from a NAS, for retro gaming... Better than chromecast and fire tv.

@@JJ-bu8sq "This kind of box is great" this kind, yes. Not the ones who claim to provide illegal access to content. In particular, the ones tested in the video are NOT capable of 4k, they can do 1080p or sometimes not even that [check edit below] The issue is that Linus is implying all "Android boxes" are "loaded boxes" [EDIT] Yup, video is really substandard. The command they show is the size of the UI but doesn't reflect the resolution of the video. Seems like somebody wanted linus to say "third-party boxes are bad" and they rushed through production.

@@laplongejunior none of them claim to provide illegal access to content. They dont have any streaming apps on them

​@@chiquita683 The boxes discussed in the video are bundled with apps providing illegal access. So I'm confused with what you are talking about

Sales for these are about to go down down down

@@baki1682 they already were as some markets were getting certified devices for similar prices to these boxes rather than 2-3x the price (onn for example)

@Gomam0n awesome :D

Love your work. As a developer, what do you think? This video sounds like bullshit cuz he didn't prove anything. If the box is pinging chinese IPs, it must be malware? You must have used a lot of these boxes for testing. Ever got a malware due to it?

@@epicsaves5644 i cant say ive notaced anything crazy, ive logged into apps on some these stock firmwares & not seen any issues with account details being compramised, i would be more inclined to see it more like telemetary, the amount of data Google/Micrrosoft collect on you is probably far more information, i cant say ive dug deeper into network traffic coming from these Firmwares speciffically (usally overwrite the firmware anyway fairly quickly), i cant say linus is wrong, hes just giving the reasonable advice to err on the side of caution & just like anything there are probaly some shady firmwares out there, like dogey copies of windows exist :)

They have to keep updating them to gradually keep increasing the ad content without you noticing. It's the whole slow boiling the frog thing.

I was checking out tv boxes and concluded it was worth paying for a shield a little while ago. Then I checked out the user interface I stumbled upon the fact that they have ads. I will not tolerate ads even if nvidia pays me to use the device. Finally landed on a generic android box for a third of the price with CoreELEC. Since I only stream from my own file server it works flawlessly. I have 1800 hours on my projector I bought together with that thing and it hasn't displayed a single pixel of ads.

bought mine in 2015, still getting updates 8 years later

It's because they still sell them and the switch has the same cpu so the patches are already partially made

Or just stream using a PC to the TV. Much better. Smart TVs has the same as a shield pretty much.

"why the click-bait title?" why does a bear shit in the woods? this is LTT, i don't know what else you're expecting out of their video thumbnails and titles.

Too bad there is no Dolby Vision support. I went with Ugoos AM6+ and really enjoying quality improvements from DV!

😂 most people that buy these Chinese boxes are not Odroid customers

Over the last few years I set my family up on Amazon fire devices it started with me giving them ones when I was done playing with them. Black Friday sales also. I have had Shields since about 2016. I was getting them for family. Now that Amazon is making it abundantly apparent that they own the device and you are just renting it, I am switching them off and I'm going to start getting Chromecast with Google TV. I wish they would have put Android TV in them years ago. I figured I would do exactly that again, wait for a Black Friday sale and get a few and let them junk the fire OS.