Stop Sweaty Ducts, Vents and Systems

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2 жыл бұрын

Bryan teaches how to stop sweaty ducts, vents, and systems. This class covers the myriad of moisture issues that come with the approaching wet and humid season. He talks about duct and air handler sweating, attics, and dew point.
Sweating air handlers and ductwork is generally outside the conditioned space. (Conversely, sweating vents are in the conditioned space.) We can help control attic conditions by adding vents or insulating to control the temperature in the attic, but controlling moisture is our main concern.
Getting to the dew point allows the attics to sweat, which gets moisture out of the air and onto surfaces. When the air runs over the cool duct surface, the moisture condenses and becomes liquid water. (It’s just like running air over a cold evaporator coil.) Insulating the attic is usually NOT the answer because it drops the temperature even more and makes the ducts sweat even more. (Sprayfoam is a type of insulation.)
If we didn’t have to worry about costs, we could keep an air handler or ducts from sweating by applying a space heater to the surface 24/7. Radiant barriers unfortunately have a similar effect as insulation; they keep the attic cooler, but they also cause the surface temperature to drop and be more prone to condensation.
The best option to control moisture in the attic is to seal it and dehumidify it. That option will cause your power bill to rise, but it will keep the attic drier. Sealing the attic, controlling the temperature, and controlling radiant gains inside the attic will have much more of an effect on duct sweating than changing the temperature of the air inside the ducts.
However, the best options will be expensive. We shouldn’t be afraid to offer expensive options, as it isn’t our job to decide the customer’s budget for them. The most important thing we can do is explain the consequences of each option and make sure the customer makes an educated decision.
Restaurants tend to have some of the worst rusting and dripping problems around their vents because it’s very difficult to control moisture inside the conditioned space. In the summer, low setpoints, moisture loads indoors (kitchens and baths), and increased moisture loads outdoors all increase the likelihood of vents sweating during the summer.
To combat summer moisture loads, try to get the customer to reduce the outdoor moisture’s likelihood of getting into the home (by closing windows and doors), ventilating in the kitchen and bathroom, and running the HVAC system longer with a colder evaporator coil.
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@r.a.williamsakablackmullet8325
@r.a.williamsakablackmullet8325 2 жыл бұрын
Great information! Sweating ducts and equipment have always stumped me. I would try those usual fixes, fan speed, insulation... Great class!!
@Michael-qy1jz
@Michael-qy1jz 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, I've seen this in many of my rentals.
@williamkorver9856
@williamkorver9856 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video but the solutions advised of in the video fell far short what should have been the case. The real issue re the equipment in unconditioned space is that the build quality on most air handlers and ductwork are not designed for Florida and other high humidity areas. Since that is highly unlikely to change, go look at how the industrial community prevents condensation on pipes/equipment in areas where humidity cannot be controlled easily. Some solutions are a LOT less expensive than the initial and ongoning cost of a dehumidifer. That said the air obviously needs to be conditioned/dehumidified as is appropriate to prevent condensation on other components of the structure as well not just HAVC equipment! The goal of an HVAC technician SHOULD be to educate on what is needed to prevent/control unnecessary moisture damage to all structural components not just in the primary occupied space and the components that do the conditoning. Obviously some of those other solutions will require referals out. A follow up video on a complete list of realistic solutions (as opposed to ripping out insulation/heat barriers SMH) is appreciated for those that seem to struggle with recognizing solutions on their own.
@jasoncolledge
@jasoncolledge Жыл бұрын
My dude, I've loved all your videos till this one. Insulating ductwork definitely works just like putting my beer can in a coozie keeps the sweat ring off the table. Doesn't matter if it's internally or externally insulated it still works (I'm in Texas). In a home, sweating vents are usually because the return air to the handler has been compromised and the evaporator is sucking in wet attic air (in Texas it tends to be installed in the attic). Re sealing tends to do the trick. Keep up the great work and mostly love your videos.
@grigorshukerski4689
@grigorshukerski4689 Жыл бұрын
@@williamkorver9856 To put a dehumidifier in the attic which supposed to be vented to cool of the shingles and keep heat gains low... what a halfwit. No wonder the students couldn't answer his questions.
@atkgrl
@atkgrl Жыл бұрын
Swamp cooler for states NC and below
@Sky1
@Sky1 2 жыл бұрын
I watch your videos NOT because I am an HVAC guy, but just a homeowner who wants a good understanding about my system and how it should be serviced and maintained.
@armandomartinez4152
@armandomartinez4152 Жыл бұрын
🙄
@jamie7664
@jamie7664 Жыл бұрын
🥴
@martinvillalobos7791
@martinvillalobos7791 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for what you do for the HVAC community.
@mountain7777
@mountain7777 Жыл бұрын
Sharp instructor and well spoken.
@scottallen5182
@scottallen5182 2 жыл бұрын
As always , great teaching Bryan!
@tazepat001
@tazepat001 Жыл бұрын
Learned more with this presentation than the college I went to. Thanks
@Mizzelphug
@Mizzelphug Жыл бұрын
My wire-tap phone must have been listening again and recommended this video. I am experiencing all the problems described here and my HVAC guy couldn't figure out in 4 days what you solved in minutes. He even had me put in powered attic vents which are drawing in more swampy air.
@Countrysidehvacservice
@Countrysidehvacservice Жыл бұрын
I’ve chased this issue several times and now understand why it seemed to always be worse. Thank you. Great information
@ibrahimsyed4281
@ibrahimsyed4281 2 жыл бұрын
Have been a fan of your teaching methods, there are many channels which put light on the subject, but the way you describe things, it's just so simple and easy to grasp. Keep up the good work.
@garrygraves3848
@garrygraves3848 2 жыл бұрын
Your classes are so easy to comprehend for us newbies to Hvac, 😊!
@ambergrady2499
@ambergrady2499 Жыл бұрын
I needed this info and am most appreciative! What a blessing!
@turboflush
@turboflush Жыл бұрын
The point of increasing attic air flow and moisture as a byproduct. Good point.
@HVACTechTips
@HVACTechTips Жыл бұрын
This is gold!
@gregdebacker3569
@gregdebacker3569 2 жыл бұрын
Put the air handler in the home's envelope. Equipment, Supply Duct and Return Duct should never be outside the envelope. If energy conservation were paramount, Energy Star, DOE ect would make building code require equipment to be located inside the home. No one wants to give up 12-14 sq foot of foot print. OSHA should require this also, I've been in 130-150 degree attics, not a safe condition.
@MrRay3801
@MrRay3801 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 120%!! So many people want another closet to cram with junk instead of putting the A/H in there. Lasts longer, maintaining it happens more frequently, doesn't sweat, and I'm sure much more. What do you gain by putting it in the attic....a spot to store junk....thats it.
@thomasnew8606
@thomasnew8606 Жыл бұрын
You must not live in Texas or anywhere with new home builds. All handlers are in the attic.
@skikansas66617
@skikansas66617 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasnew8606 We average about 4 new homes a week, live in Kansas, 99 percent have basements. Good place for HVAC duct and a place to go during tornado season. Also adds extra living space. Attics are terrible places for HVAC., We do a couple new home attic installs a month. Have to increase size of A/C to accommodate attic heat.
@chadhowell1328
@chadhowell1328 Жыл бұрын
@@skikansas66617 very few homes in Texas have a basement as it adds a ton of cost to a home build that’s not needed. An conditioned attic is just fine to run the hvac but few homes have that as well it seems.
@TheWilferch
@TheWilferch Жыл бұрын
@@thomasnew8606 ...Same in SC.....but the point is still valid. Place the Air handler and system in the conditioned-space. Hard to do, as SC is one of a few places where one can buy new, SMALL homes...and most of these are built on-slab. I get it, you can give up some living space but its a tough market for this design change to take root.
@halledwardb
@halledwardb Жыл бұрын
As a new guy, these seminars are great.
@dchamcam4621
@dchamcam4621 2 жыл бұрын
Great information as usual 👍 thanks for sharing.
@purrungas2012
@purrungas2012 Жыл бұрын
Top of the line advice...don't b afraid giving the customers solutions" without thinking about their expense and decisions...lots of techs are afraid to do it...
@CARLOSTREUIL
@CARLOSTREUIL Жыл бұрын
If you have metal registers that are sweating try installing plastic registers and sealing around them to keep warm/humid attic air from leaking around the ceiling opening.
@122195brandon
@122195brandon 2 жыл бұрын
This video came to me at the perfect time. I’m going to a customers house to finish an air handler and condenser install, but also the vents in two of her rooms are sweaty and my boss wants me to put foam tape on the backside of the air tech registers to seal it from the attic air.
@Michael-de8jb
@Michael-de8jb 2 жыл бұрын
Insulating the ducts properly will stop them from sweating
@michaelclark6506
@michaelclark6506 Жыл бұрын
You just took me to school on moisture. Thanks
@garypoplin4599
@garypoplin4599 6 ай бұрын
6:51 -We use this concept in refrigeration by installing mullion heaters in the door frames to increase the temperature to above the dew point of the surface of the door facing.
@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb
@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb 2 жыл бұрын
My air handler unit is in the garage and it was sweating like crazy all the time (FL-Southeastern) until I bought a dehumidifier and placed it in my living room. It runs about 1 hour everyday keeping my humidity below 40%. I haven't seen a drop of water again around the air handler since then. Its perfectly dry all the time. This channel is awesome. Thank you
@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb
@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb Жыл бұрын
@Wayne B Hmmm. very interesting. Thank you.
@frankrinchiuso3380
@frankrinchiuso3380 Жыл бұрын
I'm about to try that right now! Luckily I have two dehumidifiers I found while scrapping for metal that I didn't scrap and I'm grateful now!
@ALGH2101
@ALGH2101 10 ай бұрын
Is this method still working for you during this extremely hot and humid 2023 FL summer? It’s so humid rt now and just started leaking for the first time from my AHU, which is also in the garage. AC unit is almost 2 years young, that makes a difference. I would have never thought to put the dehumidifier in the living room. Very curious if is this is still working for you right now. Will likely be trying either way at this point though. Thanks
@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb
@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb 10 ай бұрын
Yes, it’s working really well. My humidity is around 32-34% all the time. Now, there is something else I learned, blower speed. For some reason my blower speed was really low. It’s called CFM. It was low but not to the point of freezing the evaporator but it did an excellent job dehumidifying it too. Another factor is the thermostat setting. if its too low (72 F), you can get I lot of condensation. So, it’s a lot of small details that increases this condensation in my garage AC units. Good luck, keep searching
@ALGH2101
@ALGH2101 10 ай бұрын
@@MichaelHernandez-lc2wb thank you! I actually got a wet/dry vac and used vinagre to suck out a bunch of shit that collected from last year. Apparently my sis didn’t know to do this monthly…. Worked right away and dried up leak going down garage… granted here ac unit is less than 2 years old. So if anyone reading this has tried this and has cleared the line, I suggested calling a tech for sure!
@jdelaney9325
@jdelaney9325 Жыл бұрын
Great presentation!
@brianmcdermott1718
@brianmcdermott1718 2 жыл бұрын
Great educational class. Thanks Bryan.
@Maverick2ndAmendment
@Maverick2ndAmendment 2 жыл бұрын
Great information.
@ronfollrod9893
@ronfollrod9893 11 күн бұрын
Great video very informative.
@derekmc9580
@derekmc9580 2 жыл бұрын
Such a good training video. We don’t deal with sweating ducts in an attic much in ohio but I totally get a Handel on dew point watching this video and many others. There are a lot of homes in valleys in my area where humidity can do some tricky stuff so this video gives me some ideas for solutions for them.
@pelenxho
@pelenxho 2 жыл бұрын
Very good class
@gaylefriedman3773
@gaylefriedman3773 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your class. A much needed class. I had my Coils Cleaned. This was necessary. My workers didn't sanitized my Coils after. This lead to a stink, causing me to replace Air FILTER/s. Then I called in a H-vac Company, and I told them as I wrote you, it's stinks and I'm using much more AIr Filter/s than needed. Now I was having my Coils Sanitized, and cleaned my motor, which was growing mold. This was just for a Vent Cleaning. Look where it ended? Now, I feel cold from my vents. Having a Duct Tape Smell. I don't have any leaks, great, but why does my apartment smell like trash? In Summer months the A/C will never stop running with this problem now. I really need an understanding why I smell cigar smells. I never did before. Another weird matter, FL, it's 73 degrees, my unit is on 78, why would my unit go on at this degree? I had to raise my Thermostat to 79. This is a problem. What, I don't know. Any suggestions?
@elizeubranquinho4467
@elizeubranquinho4467 2 жыл бұрын
Great info, Thank you.
@pineychristian
@pineychristian 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a HVAC tech like most of us here. I personally had sweating vents in my 2nd floor system ( hvac in attic) . I found the original hvac contractor had not sealed the boots off the ducts right around the sheetrock and the boots were poorly insulated. Some had no insulation on the boot. The moist hot attic air was coming around the boot , gaps ( 1" or more ) mixing right at the diffuser face. So very cold and very moist hot air cause vents to condense on the face. Everyone of them were like this. I end up pulling every boot and redoing some of the runs completely. Everything was sealed tight from the condition space and boots were properly insulated . No more sweating vents....
@ByteHeisenNerd
@ByteHeisenNerd Жыл бұрын
I think this sounds like it very well might be my issue. I have only one vent that has a sweating problem (and it happens to be right above the air handler so I was the dummy thinking the air was colder and that was why). I have no attic access and the vent is 15ft or so up so not the easiest to get at. Any suggestions for a quick fix?
@pineychristian
@pineychristian Жыл бұрын
@@ByteHeisenNerd you can pull the diffuser off ( supply vent ) some installers would nail the boot from inside on a roof rafters or a nailer cause they don't have a lot of room above to work since there is no attic. If you find that they are nailed on inside you can pull the nails to free the boot. Then you can maneuver it around in the ceiling to put small pieces of insulation. This will be a royal PITA cause it won't allow for a lot of room. Reinstall the boot by nailing back tight. Use caulk to boot tight to the sheet rack and reinstall diffuser.
@pineychristian
@pineychristian Жыл бұрын
@@ByteHeisenNerd if there is no way to remove boot from below then you will need to square up a section of sheet rock you want to remove. If it I was doing i would cut a 2'x rafters bay width ( 2'x16" or 2'x24" ) piece of rock out. This would allow you more then enough room to put nailer ( scab pieces of wood ) back in for your sheet rock seems and room to insulated the boot.
@ByteHeisenNerd
@ByteHeisenNerd Жыл бұрын
@@pineychristian thanks so much for the reply! I appreciate all the detailed explanation. I will make my way up and try option 1 first, then cut back the rock if it’s not possible. Thanks again!
@PappyNet01
@PappyNet01 10 ай бұрын
Fantastic! I felt like I was watching Abbott & Costello announce the starting lineup beginning with "Who's on First Base?"! Condensation! Dewpoint! Humidity! Saturation! Great educational video! I just wish I could help my parent's HVAC and Home Repair Issues! We live in the original "Redneck Riviera" of Florida. I am going crazy trying to find Craftsman and Experts in any field - it seems as though most are Grifters and that the Grifters get more support from the Florida State Government instead of the Property Owners! I do not know where to begin ---> the state government and the insurance industry forced us to get a new roof! Now the state of Florida is demanding new roofs every 10-to15 years! We had 10-years of life remaining on the roof that my parents had installed in 2004!
@birdnestfarms
@birdnestfarms Жыл бұрын
I’m gonna have to watch this a few times to get this info to sink in. Holy smokes great video.
@albert1137
@albert1137 2 жыл бұрын
loved this!
@SikinderVatturiv
@SikinderVatturiv 2 жыл бұрын
i love your video guys, your random jokes makes iteven more enjoyable to watch
@ernietannehill6155
@ernietannehill6155 Жыл бұрын
Really great info.
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 2 жыл бұрын
Rick Sims gave a amazing speech at the symposium I was blown away and it lifted my interest of humidity and Dehumidifiers to a new level. It got me thinking to even learn more and experiment
@Gpacharlie
@Gpacharlie 9 ай бұрын
That was well taught.
@kenm2235
@kenm2235 2 жыл бұрын
Good video.
@Rick_Dunaway
@Rick_Dunaway Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info
@dandanholmes2365
@dandanholmes2365 Жыл бұрын
Professor Ward recommendation is dehumidifier in the attic with Harvard loop on the suction line and all duct work with the Adamek bend. Customer Ward wears his cap and gown on all service calls
@abazism
@abazism 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video
@alexandermaciag377
@alexandermaciag377 4 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@umeng2002
@umeng2002 Жыл бұрын
I think the issue is that most people care more about lower power bills than some black mold on the outside of ducts in an unconditioned attic. A conditioned attic space, so all the ducts run in the conditioned space, is the best solution... for new construction. I hope all local codes are moving to enforce this. Put everything inside the conditioned envelope.
@thechuckster1971
@thechuckster1971 Жыл бұрын
Great info. Took you a while to get to the point but you got there.
@daneto15
@daneto15 8 ай бұрын
thank you!
@karillema
@karillema 2 жыл бұрын
Some interesting info. One point of correction is moisture moves by vapor pressure not air pressure (airflow). air curtains don't keep moisture out. Doors only help if they are sealed. Kitchen pressurization only reduced infiltratration or fresh air. You still need vapor barriers to keep moisture from migrating in and out of buildings
@FreestyleTraceur
@FreestyleTraceur 10 ай бұрын
This was a super helpful video for me. I Installed an exhaust vent from our OTR microwave in our kitchen up through the ceiling, attic, and capped it off on the roof. Very short run (less than 4 feet) since it's 1-story home and the range is close to an exterior wall (6" round straight duct). Temperatures today were 102 F with a dewpoint of 79 F (51% humidity). I ran the hood vent (new fancy schmancy OTR microwave, strong exhaust fan) after heating up some food and went about my business. Left the fan on for less than 10 minutes. I go back in the kitchen an hour or so later and hear water dripping and see water slowly dripping from the side of the OTR microwave where it meets the cabinets. I look up above the OTR microwave at the duct that is inside the house and see it sweating quite a bit. So I'm all worried about if this is a new issue or one that's been happening for awhile and start researching. I figure I need to insulate the duct before I better seal the gap between the duct and the ceiling (which definitely allows warm attic air in). Well your video perfectly explained the issue for me and has saved me from making the mistake of reaching for insulation instead of just focusing on sealing. And you've also calmed my worries about the portion of the duct in the attic since, as you said, air moving through the duct does very little to the duct's external surface temperature. Only annoying part for me is that the duct goes from the OTR microwave through the tiny cabinet above the microwave, and then through a like 4" tall space between the top of the cabinet and the actual ceiling, and then finally into the attic. I can easily seal up the gap between the inside of the cabinet and the space between the top of the cabinet and the ceiling. But there's no easy way for me to seal the gap between the actual ceiling and the attic (but luckily that hole/gap is muchhhh tighter, albeit not tight enough given the warm air that can be felt rushing in to replace the air exhausted out). I'll probably just have to seal it up from within the attic even though it's too cramped to even crouch at the point where the duct is 😅.
@edwardtsang3243
@edwardtsang3243 2 жыл бұрын
Increase the superheat on your air con. Dehumify and reduces cooling capacity. Stops the issue of cold and humid room. I used to use 2.4kw heater in humid summer untill i discovered 10 deg superheat on cool mode fixes this. Stops mouldy ceiling vents too
@driftx2
@driftx2 10 ай бұрын
The attic dew point does not change when you change the temperature. Condensation forms when the duct surface temperature is colder than dewpoint. However, warmer attics will warm up the an uninsulated duct surface a bit so I could see how it reduces condensation.
@organicvids
@organicvids 2 жыл бұрын
My air handler inside home. I insulated drain pan with armaflex, 1/4" steel drip pan under that, cork under drip pan. Walls pour foamed that air handler is in. Coil room insulated on inside with armaflex. All duct solid steel, air sealed 100%. All ducts insulated with bioceramic r7 (hy tech) paint then insulated with reflectix, no gaps anywhere. Positive pressure condensation drain with skupper valve. 4" fresh air intake triple filtered, shut down in extreme temps. Ecm main fan and ecm fresh air fan. 6 uv lights surrounding coil set to timer. Crawlspace partially conditioned with temp and humidistat. If you have more than 10% diff you will reach dewpoint from what i understand. House is confortable. All walls, subfloors painted with insulating ceramic paint (hy tech) with concrobium and zinser paint. You are right you need to lower humidity in home to prevent condensation or keep the variation of temps below dewpoint. Btw bath walls do not sweat ever, only windows. Bath fans set with auto humidistats. All wall and ceiling and floor protrusions sealed 100%
@bureauoflandmanagementblm3828
@bureauoflandmanagementblm3828 2 жыл бұрын
If you have a supply grill in a vaulted ceiling and its sealed and insulated perfectly but sweating put a curved blade register and it will cool the area near the sweating register done it many time after other company tried everything works every time. If you have sweating spiral duct in a restaurant and its dripping on the customers all you have to do is direct the air up instead of vertical or down then the area around the sweating duct work will be cooled down and no more sweating. If you have sweating equipment in an attic unvent the attic and seal the attic then put a small portable dehumidifier in the attic problem solved.
@emailfilters
@emailfilters 2 жыл бұрын
5:52 - A glass of cold water as a dehumidifier - what a concept!
@masteraugmentedproduction5828
@masteraugmentedproduction5828 Жыл бұрын
Legendary, Rick Sims I miss that gentleman started my journey
@mr.fixdaplate
@mr.fixdaplate 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@marcelosantana9311
@marcelosantana9311 2 жыл бұрын
I had this problem in my first place over 15 years ago. Instead of all those expensive and complicated solutions I just replaced all vents with plastic vests. Problem solved. Not sure last time I looked for them it was harder to find.
@rafaelcarrillo943
@rafaelcarrillo943 Жыл бұрын
Great Teacher.
@stephendoherty1275
@stephendoherty1275 Жыл бұрын
I had my attic spray foamed and they would not do so without removing the insulation. They said it would allow condensation on the ceiling drywall and grow mold/ mildew. The attic is way cooler, considered conditioned space. Luckily our humidity near Dallas Texas, we haven't had any condensating ducts or vents.
@donaldpainter956
@donaldpainter956 Жыл бұрын
I've been in HVAC for over 30 years I watch videos like this because I'd rather watch this than tv I read the comments.And nobody has hit the real issue yet in my opinion think about a house that was built 100 years ago it's not insulated very well it's drafty but one thing it's not and that's moldy or wet underneath it because air can move through the entire house we build houses completely sealed now days then spend thousands of dollars to recreate air circulation through the house when you seal the crawl space add a dehumidifier and a supply vent that's controlled air circulation same thing in the attic
@SoullessProductions
@SoullessProductions 11 ай бұрын
Geographical issue. In southern Commifornia moisture is a blessing. Send your humidity over here.
@gonehere4330
@gonehere4330 Жыл бұрын
I had to rewind a few times when “Bert” ask why” I feel your pain it’s funny I see your reaction love it when you say don’t do that Bert stop being a clown! Lmao
@shifter8207
@shifter8207 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Can you please do a video on how to set an hrv in conjunction with the hvac system throughout the seasons of a year.
@davidarnold344
@davidarnold344 2 жыл бұрын
In this humid situation and ERV should be used. With bath fan every 90cfm of humid shower air suck out, sucks in 90cfm of outside humid air through cracks and gaps. ERV instead is way better control.
@edwardjanowiak
@edwardjanowiak 2 жыл бұрын
I love Burt 😊
@andybonneau9209
@andybonneau9209 Жыл бұрын
No discussion on insulating the ductwork in the attic? Doing so would both save energy and reduce or eliminate sweating.
@grigorshukerski4689
@grigorshukerski4689 Жыл бұрын
I was shocked what a nonsense he spitted out.
@JaimeBlanco666
@JaimeBlanco666 Жыл бұрын
My duct insulation is absorbing the moisture and causing drywall/mold problems.
@grigorshukerski4689
@grigorshukerski4689 Жыл бұрын
@@JaimeBlanco666 it should be vapor tight - insulation at least 2" covered with aluminum foil sealed everywhere with aluminum tape . This way no water vapor will get inside and condensate.
@WesleyTibbs
@WesleyTibbs Жыл бұрын
@@grigorshukerski4689 and what about when your AHU itself is sweating? This video didn’t spout nonsense. I just think you don’t quite understand dehumidification.
@AGON17
@AGON17 Жыл бұрын
​@@grigorshukerski4689I heard a lot of things didn't hear any nonsense though can you elaborate?
@TheWilferch
@TheWilferch Жыл бұрын
Slight counterpoint...... in the South where I live, air handlers are located in attic that ( as they normally are built today) are vented attics, yet run very hot in the summer. The air handler has the evap coil inside which produces the cold air that gets sent to the home's "conditioned -space" via the ductwork attached to the air handler.. BUT...if the air handler cabinet has poor insulation, as is often the case, the interior cold surface temps of the air handler cabinet.... migrates ( conducts), to the outer-surface of the air-handler cabinet. The outside then gets cold enough to condense the hot-humid "atmospheric" air found in the attic. In this case....it is indeed the addition of MORE insulation onto the exterior air-handler cabinet.....to minimize the cold temp migration affect from the inside, that can help. After adding a suitable amount of insulation to the outside surface of the air handler cabinet...it's exterior will be "less-cold" ( warmer) on its outside surface.....and if done enough....won't have the exterior temp be so cold as to go below the attic-air dewpoint. Here is one example where adding insulation does work.........the same argument can be applied to additional insulation wrap on the insulated ductwork that snakes around the exposed areas of such an attic. All correct.....right?
@miketritsch6166
@miketritsch6166 Жыл бұрын
Ohio We Get Dewpoints over 70 fairly often Duct work in Basement was getting Damp. Put in a 6" Round to the Return Air and Angled it such that the Air flow in the return helped induce some air flow @ the Furnace Blower. The other end is vented outside. Thru an ole Coal Scuttle (They Make Special Vents for this) The Scuttle just conceals that it even exist. My Unit is Slightly undersized from before the addition's 4T (Load Calc says I need ) 4.5-5T so it tends to have long run times. Before I needed to set the Thermostat at 70-72 to be Comfortable Now I have to wear my Fuzzy Robe at 75-76 because it dries out the air so well. I do on Occasion hit the times when it is "Muggy" outside and Coolish (Mid 70's) that I need to bump the Temperature down a bit. Duct Work stays dry. Slight Positive pressure on the house when the AC (Fan) is running Reduces Humidity infiltration. That is I believe why it is cold at 75 when it is hot/humid outside and I need to turn down to 72 when it is cooler and Muggy outside.
@turboflush
@turboflush Жыл бұрын
It's such a battle. We are spoiled these days.. hvac everywhere. So now we want it refrig cold in our living space. Especially in hot environments. I wish I could get one of the 30 hvac companies to give me an expensive option. To common they want the quick easy option. Change the unit (its already a new unit) or apply a bit of tape to some spots closest to the attic hatch. I need a redesign of the duct system. ( there is a big story to this). It's to the point that I am educating myself and will just do the work myself.
@jerrylockhart3069
@jerrylockhart3069 Жыл бұрын
Good job 👍😎 I have a problem on a closet I’m going to tomorrow. Duck is sweating. Only in that room. I think the air is too slow to that closet in that closet gets very hot for some reason. It has an adjacent attic on one side and it also has an attic above and behind it has a call wall on a condition space 72°. This area had just recently been done a couple years ago when they found mold in there on the walls and near the ceiling. That wasn’t just the other area there were some other spots as well. The house has three infinity systems. Currently there is only one duct sweating. More will be revealed tomorrow when I check on it again. Attic is very hot and 71° upstairs as well. I told him to try 73°
@ss4717
@ss4717 8 ай бұрын
i can't beleive this video doesn't have more views
@brianconnolly3267
@brianconnolly3267 Жыл бұрын
This guy's a champ.
@elijahbrown9738
@elijahbrown9738 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic info for Florida... I've seriously thought about offering training classes to my competitors just because it makes me sad how clueless most HVAC workers are when it comes to these issues.
@sdsd4284
@sdsd4284 2 жыл бұрын
Hey men i have been really trying to get this understanding, this video explains alot ,im also in the Florida market ,if anything wat else would u add Because alot of times this problem tends to show up after the new AC is install ,custmer most times does not want to spend for a dehumidifier they will say i never had that problem before until new unit qas installed. Look forwars to ur feedback young tech hear .
@marcelosantana9311
@marcelosantana9311 2 жыл бұрын
Where in Florida?
@elijahbrown9738
@elijahbrown9738 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcelosantana9311 treasure coast
@hjc4604
@hjc4604 Жыл бұрын
Or you could refer them to HVAC School KZfaq channel.
@johnbaptist7476
@johnbaptist7476 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful lessons 😇 + 🕯 ♾️ ❤ 👏👌🙏
@luisfigueroaherbas7648
@luisfigueroaherbas7648 2 жыл бұрын
I dont think the solutions in this video could be the best. Obviously if you dehumidify the space around the ductwork you are not going to have trouble with ducts sweeting, but I think is not practical. I think the best solutions is a good insulation in the ductwork, if you insulated the ductwork, the external temperature of the duct is going to be above the dew point and the ducts are not going to sweet. Same thing with the air handler unit. The best way to avoid this problem is selecting the right equipment in the beginning of the project. This could be a solution if it is too late and anything else solves the problem.
@caru3257
@caru3257 2 жыл бұрын
It is being implemented in encapsulated attics. A dehumidifier is installed
@Barracuda48082
@Barracuda48082 2 жыл бұрын
Usually after days of rain we get these calls, condensate pumps run more, moisture appears on ducts and supplies and the accusations the system is not working. I always ask what modifications were made to construction before this issue..some have an answer, some don't but regardless, the problem exists now and hopefully options are on the table. Sometimes the owner will have blueprints of the new work that could help find where the moisture ladened air is infiltrating the conditioned spaces. .what a job we techs and contractors have .
@timothyvaughn8482
@timothyvaughn8482 2 жыл бұрын
Here in East Texas we have elderly leave their door open with just a storm door closed to see outside all day so it's foreign to them to keep the door closed because they grew up doing this.
@CaptDavesSportfishing
@CaptDavesSportfishing 10 ай бұрын
been in giant attics with a dehumidifier....size of attic? Great topic!
@tealkerberus748
@tealkerberus748 4 ай бұрын
Yeah I've been seeing a lot of reasons to insulate and condition the attic lately. Seems to be the way to go.
@abelurrutia1192
@abelurrutia1192 2 жыл бұрын
Where I live we don’t have much moisture. One thing that intrigues me is how come coolers don’t sweat ?they are well insulated and you put ice and keep your beers cool, but no seating
@Weird_1
@Weird_1 2 жыл бұрын
I’m hoping another tech can help me out or even the guys at hvac school too. Here’s my scenario: I have an ahu on the second floor in a tight closet that is not conditioned. The ductwork in that room sweats and drops down into 1st floor sheetrock. Originally the closet was not sealed off of the attic air. So since I’m in a new build house the guys came back and sheetrocked the closet closed. But the supply duct goes up hits the ceiling then goes down into floor where the ducts are ran on 2nd floor. My humidity in the house is at like 60%. Anyone have any suggestions I’d love to hear. I’m a commercial tech and we’re generally pretty good with this type of thing but came back to hvac school to re-up on some humidity and duct sweating tips. Thanks guys
@stevehackett1745
@stevehackett1745 Жыл бұрын
Not sure why adequate insulation with an appropriate vapor barrier would not keep moist air from condensation on the ductwork. This is the approach in most mechanical rooms.
@TexasEngineer
@TexasEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
I am that old guy engineer you spoke about in your video. I have a sweating coil. My house is a story and a half and my unit is in a walkin attic that is partially sealed. When the attic was almost sealed I had everything sweating and mold build up. I installed a 4” power vent that is humidity and temperature controlled to vent to the upper attic. That helped but did not solve the issue. I noticed the air was cold and stagnant around the sweating unit. I installed two very small fans. One blew air on the unit and the other blew air from the unit to the exaust fan . The two fans are controlled by a power ventilator temperature/humidity controller. The fans come on at 70% humidity. What the fans do is keep the attic air warmer so it does not condense easily on the unit and second, when it does condense it will helps dry the unit once it shuts off. I have considered your idea with the dehumidifier and if the fans do not work, I may do it. Another option is to condition the space. All I need is to seal it off and tap into the duct work. I think my energy efficient fan method will work.
@BloominOnion1
@BloominOnion1 11 ай бұрын
is your AC sized to accommodate an attic space? That's an enormous load to add, and your attic register/vent will be prone to sweat up there.
@grigorshukerski4689
@grigorshukerski4689 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't make any sense to increase heat gains just because the ducts are sweating. It is like killing a fly with a cannon. People are talking about zero loses/gains houses nowadays. Just insulate your ducts well enough,so the surface will be above dew point and seal with vapor barrier ( the ducts, not the attic). Condensation on the vents can be solved by mixing the air leaving the evaporator with additional amount of air from the house in a such a way so the air exiting the vents is above dew point ( more air flow with temperature just above the dew point).
@madmarious2619
@madmarious2619 2 жыл бұрын
Great info but alot of this is regional to yalls area but it is still great knowlegde
@mrapma
@mrapma Жыл бұрын
Two new vertical air handlers were installed in ground floor commercial bldg unit. Air handlers are in closet, next to a room in conditioned space. The door between room and closet is not sealed, and it has a vents built into the door. Vent "fins" are stationary and angled down on the adjacent room side. The installers cut into the cold air sheet duct above each Air Handler and added louvered vents. Now the closet with the air handlers is a conditioned space and ducts are sweating and dripping. Seems to me this is not a correct installation. Climate Zone 6B
@jamdg54
@jamdg54 10 ай бұрын
I had the same problem with 2 rooms in my house and they HVAC people who installed it could not figure out why. They put in another return (I think). Initially no sweating but returned. If U remember right what solved the problem was dehumidifying to 40%. Which this video was available when I was looking for a solution 2 years ago.
@ismackherbiehind
@ismackherbiehind 2 жыл бұрын
Variable speed fan motor with Hyperion cabinet with BK enabled. Trane folk here.😅
@izzyjazz2
@izzyjazz2 Жыл бұрын
Smart ass instructor!
@Zeuzxxx
@Zeuzxxx Жыл бұрын
I work port charlotte and we having a lotta sweaty ah ers. So i should recommend a dehumidifier up in the attic everytime
@naughtiusmaximus1811
@naughtiusmaximus1811 2 жыл бұрын
Nice thumbnail & choice of shirt color. Maybe a vid on wardrobe tips on the job? Personally I tend to fall prey to the schweaty betties
@ryansperdew
@ryansperdew 10 ай бұрын
Air duct that runs from basement up to first and second floor all behind a laundry shoot. Only accessible from basement level. Lots of sweating and moisture collecting at bottom of the basement floor in laundry shoot. It seems to only be insulated for about the height up to the first floor. The insulation is completely saturated and dripping. We just redid our kitchen on first floor and opened up the wall for some plumbing changes and it also allowed access to that ductwork. And our contractor just wrapped about 8 more feet of ducting with regular wall insulation batts and now the wall is sealed up. What do i need to do? Trying to learn anything i can before hvac tech comes out so i have some idea what to expect
@percyfaith11
@percyfaith11 2 жыл бұрын
The big take away: It's absolutely asinine to put ducts in the non conditioned space of a house like an attic.
@texture6
@texture6 2 жыл бұрын
Could you vent some of the moisture back to the condition space to help with moisture in the condition space 🤷🏼
@racegrubb2152
@racegrubb2152 Жыл бұрын
A lot of customers i tell this to don't believe me so im gonna send them this youtube link lol
@jackalay23
@jackalay23 Жыл бұрын
What about closed cell spray foaming the ducts? Sealed and insulated from attic air right?
@gardengarden
@gardengarden Жыл бұрын
This same logic applies to the crawl space as well? Or is there some variable that I don’t know
@pamelablaxton1492
@pamelablaxton1492 11 ай бұрын
I’m looking for answers for a friend’s HVAC system. The company that services his system was no help. His system is in the crawl space. The unit itself is sweating. I see one vent to the outside. The crawl space is well insulated. There’s no air circulating in the space. I’ll have him watch this video to see what answers he can find. Thank you.
@sfract6833
@sfract6833 7 ай бұрын
Buddy just asks you questions for 20 minutes... tells you you're wrong the whole time... then tells you everything you need to know in the last 3 minutes of the video. I didn't come to get quizzed, I came for the information.
@HVACS
@HVACS 7 ай бұрын
Sorry you didnt get what you paid for
@revolution3797
@revolution3797 Жыл бұрын
I got a 6 to 8 in duck going into my bathroom, probably 8 inch. Instead of buying a true register box they built one out of the fiberglass duct board. It has good CFM air coming out but it's like hitting a wall and then coming through my ceiling. So it's restricting a lot of air flow. That's the only air vent that sweats in my entire house besides my air handler sweating between the crease in the middle of the air handler. My air handler used to sweat super bad because they incorrectly installed my entire system and they will not do anything about it because it's a couple thousand dollars to fix and they don't want to admit it. New AC air handler and flexstock throughout my whole attic, I had patched up a bunch of breached tears throughout my attic. So my question was my bathroom vent that is sweating do you think it's caused by incorrect register box because it's not getting the correct ear flow and it's like hitting a brick wall then down into the house
@tecniman356
@tecniman356 Жыл бұрын
If you insulate the duct with R8 insulation in the attic you wont have any problem.
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