So a library looks amazing?

@@Tri-Technology I mean, there's plenty of libraries that look amazing lol

@@jakub2631 I know, but that was not my point.

@@Tri-Technology well if you want to compare this solution to a library you should consider book's read time and data capacity

@@jakub2631 That's still not my point. A library is aswell "A large data storage without electricity" So this concept is nothing new. Only the storage medium is different.

but microsoft developed project of all operation on glass to meet all new goals

Once the glass melts or cracks, what happens?

@@Fluterra we can store it in protected environments and cases maybe. The most important part is that it doesn't require continouus power to keep data

@@Fluterra Obviously the data is lost but if you store it properly that will never happen. You could put it in a box inside a cave and as long as there is nothing super severe it could theoretically survive for millions of years.

@@ubersuperboss7761 it's great if you view it from computer perspective but from physics and chemistry point glass is liquid not solid. So I highly doubt the original hardware may survive that long.

I hope humans in year 3023 will have those ape like monkey robots and microscope readers to decode these glass pieces.

@@effexon humans from 1000 years ago are biologically pretty much the same as humans now, so humans 1000 years from now are still gonna be humans, unless we wipe each other out in a nuclear apocalypse of course.

imagine someone reading this comment in 1000 years@@effexon

@@neverheardofyouI can at most think forward to when Im 80yo and luckily still alive and brain functions, to go back some 40-50 years to read old YT comments. if YT is around and waybackmachine updated to read comments to save them.

How did you post this 4 weeks ago when the video says 2 weeks ago?

yes, but it will sag over hundreds of years, and storing it vertically on an angle does not help. The voxels will drift out of alignment. That data might last 200 years, but 1000? I don't think so, not with the presented storage conditions.

@@chodnejabko3553 Hi, continuing this nerd discussion which I love so much!!!! Uhm, if the drift is that obvious - such that we understand it happens - can we not include that variable in the decoding stage to check for data deviation due to drift-misalignment? It seems you have it here mapped to something of over a period of a 1000 years? That should be easy to account for, relatively over that period of time, yes?

What happened to the data storage in DNA strands? Last I heard they were doing it there.. Probably that DNA resulted into a human being with some customer data already fed in it... lol

so is principle same as with CD-R discs, write once, keep data readable hundreds of years? weakness of rewritable cd,dvd mediums is tradeoff with how long it lasts.

Wouldn’t it be nice to know how much data had been written on that piece of glass

They need to make it small and power efficient. More research is needed.

I don’t know if they will. It’s probably more profitable keeping it as a cloud service

​@@turolretar​@turolretar But in terms of resilience it would be extremely beneficial to implement a standardized form factor, format and distribute readers en mass. In case of a solar flare, they simply could import readers from another part of the world. For starters I would keep the CD formfactor. Don't know, why they discarded the the rotating disc concept.

@@haifutter4166 Simple, because new technology is more cost-effective.

this tech is still 50-70 years away from mainstream

exactly

I created a prototype of this tech in 1987

What's the method you dreamed of

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We've had photos on glass for well over a hundred years. NASA uses glass to store photos.

DVDs don't last very long. That's why the industry developed Magento Optical Discs. Several types, small MODs, large 5.25" MODs and - well - the Minidisc by Sony. However. Lifetime 50 + years usually by design (and probably much longer). However, back in the days only few markets accepted the need for long term easy to use storage. Especially Japanese customers bought there. In Europe at the same time CD-Rs became popular. Especially the cheap ones by grocery store discounters. Despite all warnings people saved their family photos on them and eventually sometime even lost them after five years. DVDs/CDs are now better of course. Especially Phase Change Discs (DVD-RAM) or most likely the new M-Disc which claims 1000 years. However, there is almost no demand in long term storage. People still don't realise: Data will be lost eventually when they get old.

There was a researched know-how of even a terabyte DVD by only improving the lens on current burners to the nano scale, with donut form, was in news. But manufacturers of drives decided to end production because profits are thin and disc medium itself lost its main adaption distributor in movie industry when after blu-ray the streaming services sky rocketed in popularity and availability with fast internet. Ordinary people abandoned this media fast, many don't see the value and risks for their family data archives. Although from some people won't be left any traces, we found only one grandfather photo from 1930s in his job personal file on the oldest city electrical facility only because they forgot to destroy it, which law requires.

it is still new technology in development

@@fontende Nano-scale lasers are extremely expensive, which is a big part of the problem. I don't think most regular people can afford to buy a CD burner with a $20000 laser inside. It would only be viable for big businesses in data centers.

@@augustday9483 if you would read the press release of that students project, I forgot what university but there was some TV news who announced that, so in archives it's easily searched under name "terabyte dvd" something like that, so they used completely off the shelf materials and old DVD drive, they never released more data or documents but it was stated how that was DIY easy. As I remember the only problem they had was in connection of drive, very low data transfer, i'm not sure what they've used, maybe IDE interface.

We brought down a computer a size of a hall down to a wrist watch in 2-3 dacades sir . Nothing is impossible.

sure why not in the future everything will be possible

@@THEKNI8 XDXD and he's gonna have to wait 2-3 decades for this technology to be accessible to general consumers

@@stt.9433 2-3 decades is nothing

@augustday9483 I agree. but I wanted to ask you, I am doing some research, do you know where I can find the source of your valuation (tens of thousands of dollars?). Any information would be really appreciated, thanks!

You can. Laser etching and interferometry are accessible to passionate enthusiasts. I can't speak to how much you'll be able to store but still.

I saw somewhere in the comments that one piece of glass holds 7TB

From the other comments. Each piece can store up to 7 TB. Quite impressive tbh

@@dylanlastname6784 most likely will increase with time, too.

I would think it is not any more brittle than other storage media like physical drives. DNA is probably still too expensive I reckon. Also, the glass is likely tempered and hardened to withstand high force impacts.

Why not Atoms, or electrons, or photons, or wave functions.... You keep dreaming, everything is possible but it requires time and that race is just starting

They should ask - JerryRigEverything to do the hardware testing.. Shown in video that it is kept in oven, who knows if it is emitting any heat on glass. Why can't they put in a deep frier and show in reality that it doesn't affect the stored data??!

DNA would be really high density, but it would not last as long as glass. DNA has to be held at a very specific temperature range or else it will denature.

We have theories that single strand of DNA can hold so much storage but the process of handling the input, output and maintaining an extremely biodegradable is the main challenge.

You can do it on your own

I don't know what exactly happens when it drops, but the glass can only be written to once, and can't be changed after that

They might have made enough durable to resist some damage imo

@@cstockman3461 Write once isn't a problem if there is plenty of capacity. You can "delete" files on it by applying a new TOC. Just like we could do in CD-Rs (not RWs).

But why and how would someone drop it, if it's all mechanical. I don't think there's a chance of dropping it

It uses quartz glass, which is probably stronger than annealed glass but weaker than tempered glass. When falling from an average height onto some decently hard surfaces it would probably chip

more resilient than having degradable paper.

unless it is made of or having a protective layer of polycarbonate

well it is why we put ssd in solid box

i guess the same way as you do it for tape storage locations

backups to the backups to the backups... offsite!!!

7TB in a square glass platter.

Fungi are just on the top of the glass. The data is written "inside" it.

It looks like its finalized. That looks like a rather high powered laser. However it is glass so I think the idea is that the media is so cheap you can just make another one. The big question is how quickly can the data be read though. Its an interesting premise, but storing then reading things in that density requires some advanced tech.

@@warlockd As you mentioned the key word here is "advanced tech" to be capable to extract the data but if it happens that a neutrino/electromagnetic waves will hit that silo then how feature civilisation will manage to restore this capabilities to extract valuable information?

@@SSS-sz8mg long-term storage =/= civilization backup, although the latter requires the former. This seems to be addressing the power and resource costs of long-term storage of massive amounts of bulk archival data that is a legal necessity but (in the broader scheme of the survival of the human race) practically useless. Think things like legal, financial, administrative records, large pools of historical unstructured data for business intelligence, rather than, say, the process of manufacturing penicillin. To rebuild civilization, we need to store a lot less data in a very stable way (e.g. carving essential technologies and knowledge into granite boulders). On the other hand, to sustain civilization, we need to store a lot of data (thanks to legal obligations) stably enough that they last for decades, with multiple copies in case an earthquake wipes out 1 data center. But if we get struck by a comet and 99% of humanity dies, we don't need whatever is on that glass.

@@SSS-sz8mg Well, the big plus for this storage medium is that it is shelf-stable with no electricity. So if civilization collapsed after a terrible CME event, the data can just sit there for thousands of years until humans get back to our current tech level and can start reading it again. Any other storage medium would have rotted away by then, rendering them useless.

I agree, love that guy!

yeah but at the cost of making their employee's life miserable. Ask him how customer care or tech support team in hyderabad is working + how much they are getting paid. After he became ceo, all the seniors in various countries from top position started leaving the organization who actually built Microsoft in those early days.

@@redmi3s51they can choose different job, and leave microsoft

Yeah, I feel you. I once had a lot of ideas too which were just that - ideas, and now most of them are becoming real and actually very profitable, but I remain only with the thought that it was my idea a long time ago. It makes you wonder.. what if?

Execution is far more difficult than invention.

@@Unkn0wnz_anon you mean like you mean like Steve Jobs you got patents for napkins.

@@Unkn0wnz_anon but it was more than an idea already done preliminary testing on when I was 16 the year before I volunteered to go to Vietnam.

@@sarai3055 man is a veteran

I would think of it like a CD. It's just readable. Ultimately if you want to modify it you would have to copy it to another form of storage. At least the original data is preserved.

CDs get eaten by fungi for some reason

@@dzidmail depends on the quality of CDs, there are some that last a lot longer like MDISC, it is rated to last 1000+ years, because it uses materials that don´t corrode easily. Although it is game over if you break them XD

More space, maybe?

@@niltonsantos6790 Kinda. I am guessing this too. CD was 2D polar encoding. Voxels are 3 dimensional, so it might be a better use of the space. + more physical robustness.

I guess glass is more resistant to scratches, whereas CDs are prone to them. Although you could argue that CDs don't shatter, whereas glass does

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not editable check search request would take days check for GDPR delete requests to melt glass check

You don't need to throw a brick, just a few earthquakes!

And what happens if you through a brick on a hard drive or ssd?

This would be stored more or less in a datacenter. For those who haven’t been to a datacenter, they have layers of security from the moment you enter the vicinity up to the point of reaching your intended resource (e.g. rack). From that first layer alone every individual is screened including your bag so any suspicious material will be questioned and hold.

I agree with you

Redundancy. Do you think your data now is stored in one location?

We did that...its called papyrus..In egypt...people pburied with texts in ceramics or on paper...but we we unable to read it...and even today we are not 100% sure...and olso the information is primitive to our standard...so maybe in the future information like video can be so obsolite and primitive becase ppl will be using some neural chemical storage from 4th dimension like Dumbledore in Harry Potter =)

it is why we have plastic or aluminium box to protect our ssd

Technology progresses exponential and really fast if you think about it - today kids dont even know what a cassette is. And you could be older than the internet, which started in America in 1990.

30 years ago the lasers you'd need for this would take up an entire room, so i have a slight feeling this might be a bit different than what you're thinking of...

That's such a bad analogy

😱

Thanks, captain obvious

Yeah that also confused me. I’ve always heard that glass is never really a solid, just a very slow liquid.

Glass sagging and changing shape over meaningful periods of time is a myth.

lol that's a myth

That's a myth based on observations that old windows had glass that was thicker on the bottom, so it must've sagged with time. What those people failed to realise is that the "sagging" was just the result of the imperfect manufacturing process of those old glass panes and that the panes were customarily installed with the heavier side on the bottom, for obvious reasons.

Probably it's an incremental save. They only write the changing bits, if there is changing in the new data.

So just do not drop it :-)

but hard drives last just for 5 years!!!! :D

Yes mister chod, I'm sure you are a more reliable source of information on storage technology than this 2 trillion dollar corporation who clearly have no idea what they are doing. Anyway, if Sony could really do that then there is no reason for them to not do it. Maybe you can bring that up in the next investor meeting since based on your language you have a stake in that company.

This is more of a probability problem I suppose. After 5 years they can guarantee that something like 99,999% (made-up estimate) of hard drives are still working. They replace it after because that is the point when replacing is cheaper than building additional redundancies. So yes, technically most hard drives can survive much longer but for data survivability, it is intentionally undershot. This is why this glass thing is such a big change. Very very very low percentage of data corrupting failures. If there are, then probably in connection to the robot.

@@kainmrcoax2275 Yes, Mean Time Between Failures / MBTF. Hard Disk are by design not to be used forever. Especially 3.5 " drives. The ball bearings will die if you don't check them regularly. And hard disk at their edge tend to die during recovery processes due to the high load. There are specialised 2.5" drives for long term storage. It's the same like usual 2.5 " drives but with a special enclosure. I forgot the name of the system.

still, if you know how old disks are stored and looked after, this silica approach seems way way ahead.

Got to also take into account that these drives could be running 24/7 especially if they are running in Azure data centers. This too could increase hardware failure.

This is about centuries, not years.

Exactly. Also, imagine little, hidden data in every day glass objects.

Word in the tech world is about 7TB per sheet.

MS: All your data are belong to us. MS - where your data goes to die.

optical disc doesn't last very long I think concept is same etch the data on the glass & read it with laser

Optical disc uses a light-sensitive dye coating. Since the dye is organic it has a natural lifespan. Glass is glass and we all know how glass behaves in any environmental conditions.