Amazing. Tough folks. Texas grit.

Does the massacre at the Alamo hurt your heart?

@@richardmiranda640 of course

@Petrolera Mexicana and an honorable man besides. Urtea was actually furious when Santa Anna overturned his order for the surrendered garrison at Goliad to be spared; he feared it would inflame the Texans further. He was right.

It was not a massacre, they were executed for treason because they had accepted Mexican citizenship because they were greedy and wanted the land grants. They betrayed their newly adoptive country. They knew of the risks . It’s not like they were innocent. They had become terrorists.

They were executed for treason. Punishment for treason is execution in any military, including the United States military. They had betrayed their newly adoptive country and were terrorists. Santanna did the right thing.

Fannin should have stayed and fought instead of abandoning it he would have a better chance defending than retreating because the Mexicans Calvary circled them and held them until infantry caught up and they surrender. They did not deserve that faith.

Never.

@@TheDaytripper ever.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

@@TheDaytripper His bag was monogrammed

They are all dead and in hell because of their great greed!

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Thanks!

It's an important one for sure.

You should go there when the reenactment takes place each year. The candlelight tours, orbs appear in photographs, sounds and groans in the chapel. Everything about LaBahia has been affected by this tragedy from then until now and possibly through eternity. It truly gives you a heavy, emotional feeling being there.

really? thnxs? you could just say thanks. and 4? you could just say for. This comment makes me uncomfortable.

@Howard Pang I figured

they will always be the enemy

@Wild Tex Ñ

28 escaped and 30 with special skills were spared!

@@shaunwalker4680 Mexicans still lol

They were executed for treason. Punishment for treason is execution in any military, including the United States military. They had betrayed their newly adoptive country and were terrorists. Santanna did the right thing.

You do realize that everyone who fought for Texas against Mexico was basically committing treason against their own country, which was Mexico. So what basically happened, the Texians wanted independence not because of taxes or other things that our history books choose to tell us, but because Mexico had outlawed slavery, and the Anglo of that time (thankfully not anymore) supported slavery.

@@roquegarza9018 I think some but certainly not all of the Texians had slaves. I believe slavery was originally allowed when the first Anglo settlers arrived in Texas, with the support of the Mexican government, after independence from Spain, but later outlawed in 1829. Some of the Anglo settlers then made their slaves indentured servants after 1829, which I believe was still legal at the time of the Alamo in Mexico. There were also a few Tejanos who fought in the Texas independence movement which was caused at least in part by the Mexican government in 1835 renouncing the constitution of 1824 which had created a federal system in Mexico. There were other revolts at that time in Mexico, such as in Zacatecas & Tabasco, that had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. The Texians who were massacred at Goliad were declared "pirates" with no rights not traitors by Santa Anna and the Mexican government at that time. To be sentenced to death for treason at least typically required a trial which no one at Goliad received as they were simply executed under orders from Santa Anna as so-called pirates.

That is so wrong. Slavery was not even an issue in Texas until well after the revolution.

@@roquegarza9018 Respectfully, I disagree with you Roque. IMO, the war for Texas Independence was not fought because of slavery. There were several causes for that war........ but slavery was not one of them.

@@LoosMoose even americans didn't support mexican-amercan war because it will upset the balance between slave and free states.

True.

They were executed for treason because they had accepted Mexican citizenship because they were greedy and wanted the land grants and betrayed their newly adoptive country. None of them were even born in Tejas and came from far away. The Mexican Tejanos were already in Tejas.

You certainly “could” be. With the internet, it isn’t really that difficult to trace your lineage anymore. At least not like it used to be before.

Was raised and went to school in Goliad with some Cunningham's, both black and white. My descendants bought 62 square miles of land from the Spanish land grants in Goilad county. Part of which I live on now.

Mexicans are frightened of WALLS

Ñ no entendí

@@shaunwalker4680 calm down old man

Santa Ana bent the knee like Ryan Garcia did against gervonta Davis

It might have turned out very different because Santa Anna might have taken it more seriously. One of Houston's advantages was being underestimated.

@@TheDaytripperThat’s it. Houston caught them literally sleeping.

Santa anna bent the knee like Ryan Garcia did against gervonta Davis

Some people will not run when their homes and liberty are threatened. They fight back.

@@billieunderwood8303 it wasn’t their home! Remember?

​@marthagomez7335 but it was indeed their home. The vast majority of white people then living in Mexico were actually Mexican citizens. Mexico was their country as much as anyone else's. When the dictator Santa Anna decided to enslave the whole nation and drive these people from their legal homes, they didn't take it well. Unlike the vast number of illegals in america today, these men didn't lift their skirts, grab their purses and run.

Slavery was part of it for sure. But don't buy the narrative it was all of it. Read the grievances in the Texas Declaration of Independence. It's a complex story. Santa Anna was a diabolical dictator. Can't make him a hero just because his country was anti-slavery.

Yeah, too bad we didn't end up like Mexico huh...

@@traestuart384 If the USA hadn't made sure Mexico failed, who knows what would have happened. That said, let me get this straight, Texas fighting against Mexico, and the USA to keep slaves is awesome because you think it made sure "Texas" isn't like modern day Mexico? Awesome Flex.

@@TheDaytripper Santa ana was a diabolical dictator? Tell me how so? I mean people who defend slave owners back in the day say "that was considered normal back then and claim we shouldn't be too hard on slave owners" Yet you want to call someone a dictator because thats what they did back in the day...lol Its just black and white in his case. To me slavery is as bad as murder. ITs worse in a lot of ways. If I'm back then with the resources available and I had people enslaving others, who knows what I would have done had I been that "dictator" You guys are too easy on slavers. A slaver is scum, whomever that person was in our history to us. Anyone that fought them in my eyes has the anything goes card to play against it.

@@fastj1962 A man who allows his soldiers to massacre entire towns of his own people is, in fact, a diabolical tyrant.

The French got whipped in Mexico. You’re clearly clueless about Mexican history

@@Elitecommando501 what happened to the mexicans in Texas...

Lol 😂 there was a large part of Mexicans Americans in the Texan army hell the Texans had a Mexican American general by the name of Juan Seguin 🤣🤣 so why all this hate towards Mexicans thank the the famous Rose for the entire victory, there were Mexicans fighting Mexicans During the war against Mexico's cruel dictatorship at the time so 🤷‍♂️ u can also thank a Mexican for helping Texas win the war sheesh 🙄 so much hate almost sounds like a race war and yes the Mexicans did whoop the French eventually fact is the Texas army was made up of not just white soldiers beating a Mexican army they were aided by a large group of Mexican descended folks Tejanos led by General Juan Seguin, not to forget to mention Deaf Smiths Bad ass Texas Rangers!!whom played a huge part on winning the war and oh yeah some Rangers we're also of Mexican heritage! So we can also thank Mexican Tejanos for helping the cause just a fact! The element of surprise and the help of various ethnic groups helped win that War!! Buena's noches gents.

@@joegarciasog2221 I'm with ya', Jose. I'm white, but just because I'm white doesn't mean that I hate anyone....... especially just because they happen to be a different race or color than me. But I know that there are plenty of racists in the world, from EVERY color, not just white. And yes, there were Mexicans that fought right along side of Anglos in the war for Texas Independence. God bless A L L of our Texas Independence heroes.

Mexico never paid, in fact the french wanted mexico to pay $20,000,000,000 initialy, but at the end they lost $300,000,000,000 in their war

Some people on another comment kept saying that the Texas Revolution had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. I'm sort of confused now.

@@Trolleyatthestation See Dr. Gerald Horne's take on Texas as to escape the actual or slated end of slavery in Mexico. The South celebrated, of course, the extension of slavery, arguments over extension leading to our civil war. His main thesis is controversial. The American Revolution, he argues, was also fought over slavery, the Brits ending it, and the northern colonies were getting rich off the salve trade. it's an interesting take, where he argues the northern colonies wanted to continue the slave trade once the Brits were out, in order to finance the build up of a new USA's maritime fleet. And remember, the South was aflush with slaves and Southern Indian land hadn't yet been opened to settlement: because there weren't cotton gins yet. He argues it wasn't in the interests of the South to allow continued slave trade. By the 1820's my Maryland and Virginia extended family had plantations in the black belt, cotton plantations because of the invention of the cotton gin. So the story goes. And my great great grandfather was a Douglas man as to the controversy over that peculiar institution. Makes some sense, although appalling.

@@charleswood2182 yeah I'll look into that thank you! Sounds very interesting I've never heard of the American Revolution through that point of view. I'm going off topic a bit but I read in some other comment that this "massacre" was legal or something like that and was justifiable because the Texans committed treason by going against their own country and execution was the punishment. The Irish that fought for Mexico during the Mexican-American War also became POWs and were hung by the American army and I've never heard it called a massacre on all the sources I've read on.

@@charleswood2182 Horne is an idiot with a poor understanding of real history.

Massacred Prisoners of War. That's pretty wrong. Especially after his General had negotiated terms of surrender.

@@TheDaytripper wait till you read about what the Aztecs did to their captured enemies the Texans got it easy

@@TheDaytripper They were executed for treason. Punishment for treason is execution in any military, including the United States military. They had betrayed their newly adoptive country and were terrorists. Santanna did the right thing.

@@diegoaviles6663 they had negotiated a safe surrender. Promised safe keeping. That's the only reason they surrendered at the previous battle.

@@TheDaytripper so called texans should be rightfully called "anglo saxon mercenaries", please educate yourself.

Good stuff here. Thank you.