People who think White water is overrated have never experienced true joy in life.

White water is amazing. Except the price. But damn that game just makes me feel good.

Good List. Whitewater is one of my all-time favs though. I think it has the best/most refined layout of any machine. I wish more had the cohesive world under the glass.

AWESOME list!!! BTW: *White Water* is my first pin purchase. I could NEVER let it go. I love/hate that you LOSE ALL YOUR RIVER CLASS WHEN YOU DRAIN!!! Very polarizing!!

mannn Addam's Family is my favorite. The callouts, especially for jackpots and multiball are just so good! Love the charisma in this game. But I'm maybe a medium-level player, so I don't mind this being a simpler game. The rules are easy to understand, though simple, and for me there's just enough things to do.

Ok, I took your advice... I purchased my first Pin . And yes I got Deadpool !!!!! I’m so excited !!!!!!!!

Hope you boys got your flame suits on 😂 Some bold takes on this one. Thanks for the vid!

My Addams Family lasted less than two weeks. There's only so many times I can shoot the ramp then the scoop! Good list fellas, agreed on quite a few.

Love the channel! You guys should do a top ten "Best Bang for your Buck Pins" vid! Fantastic job guys 🤟

I can see your reasoning. For me it's Medieval Madness, Circus Voltaire and Twilight Zone. All great games, but the hype is to big for these imo.

Lol, Quicksilver is incredible. Different tastes I guess. Edit: and yes, whitewater is a terrible game. Pros: It gets attention for the neat ramps. Theme is really cool. Cons: right side of the playfield feels so walled off with the placement of the pops. All you have is a narrow ass shot between the pops. Code is too light.

How in the blue hell am I just discovering you guys. From Australia and you guys rock. Love your stuff. Subscribed.

The fact that you have TAF on the list at all indicates to me that you guys are more concerned with technology than history and playability. TAF at the time was the best ever game. New games have more advanced electronics and the whole play field is covered with ramps, toys and gadgets; if you have to have all that junk to enjoy pinball, just play a video game then. For example, Fire Power is a single level and has no ramps, but is one of my favorite machines because you have to have actual pinball skills to be good at it. Perhaps this list should be the most overpriced rather than overrated. Pinballs have become an investment; they almost always increase in value over time.

Gents, love the show, appreciate all the videos.......would like to see a 'Top 10 Pinball Machines to Have in a Collection". Basically would like to know what machines you want to have at home for you and your friends to play, what would make you game room the most fun........

Would love for you guys to do some shows based on manufacturer. Maybe top 3 games by manufacturers (Sega, DataEast, Atari, CapCom, Gameplan, allied leasure, etc..). All the obscure manufacturers.

What is your top 10 fastest flowing pinball machines of all time? If you have clips please include them. I'm shopping for one I'm looking at f14, high speed, getaway. Also which pins have increased in value over the years the most?

Batman 66? Surely you jest lads!? Might be average in the shots department but the artwork is stunning and it has a better integration of theme (video assets, call outs, art sound effects) than any other pinball. Wonderfully kitschy and wonderfully fun. You're welcome!

I paid $3K for my Addams Family table back in the 90s, but I wish I had the regular one instead of the gold version. They made the gold version too easy compared to the original, so I end up playing the original on VPX and Arcooda more than the actual table. The Addams table is a beast to maintain too. I was surprised at #1 on the list because I’ve actually never heard of Quicksilver despite being a pinball fan since the 80s.

Pretty good list, only small thing I’d have an issue with is I’m afraid any bashing on Kingpin might result in it not getting remade, which means then Pinball Circus would never get remade and that’s one of my grails.

Good show, but holy crap Zach, you really hate BM66. Must be a generational problem. I grew up with the show- Stern and co. nailed the theme and it is a great shooter. Favorite shot? Left orbit to scoop of course to get wizard mode. This was my first game and still favorite... by far. Still own it, play it several times a week (over 5k plays), friends (my age) and son love it. Have 19 other pins and have played all of the top 300 or so. Yes, I am biased to the other end of the spectrum- BM66 is my #1. I do agree with Greg, the other BM games are not great. What about Medieval Madness or Monster Bash? For that money I would definitely buy a SECOND BM 66. So, hopefully bad pinball opinions skip generations and your kids will love it! Keep up the great shows- fun to watch! By the way, if you can find me a good deal on a BM 66, let me know...

I agree with most of your list. In addition to gameplay; theme and sound effects can be factors in what makes a pinball machine great or boring as f**k. For me, I happen to love Big Bang Bar and Spirit for the science fiction aspect and the sound effects.

Safe Cracker is weird, but have some of the best callout, the backbox game is one of the best game into a pin, and it's just fun. The kind of pin you don't buy but you have fun playing on location

Got my Whitewater for $1200 about 8 yrs ago, not complaining!

I’m not surprised Quicksilver made the list, but #1? Is this because they sell for $7-8K now? Three years ago it would’ve been Star Gazer, but people are starting to realize Quicksilver is a great playing game. The layout is simple, but hey, it’s 1980. The flow is smooth and fast, the sound is fantastic, especially with a modified sound system, and the rules are perfect. The art? Ok you can argue that point, but there is a story behind it that makes it interesting.

Where are you getting your prices from. All these games sell 10 grand plus on pinside.

Y'all are absolutely right about Party Monsters. However, I can't help but love it. I do enjoy it's simplicity.

Addam's Family is one of my favorite pinballs. Though I do agree with your criticisms of it. I play it on Pinball Arcade. I'd like to one day have a pinball table setup with a large TV screen to play it on instead of using the Wii U.

never knew there were 2 different kingpins! i was thinking of the older one, (gottleib 1973) didn't know about this one. cool!

I would have thrown Munsters on there somewhere, probably in place of Whitewater. Nice list though. Thanks guys!

Thanks for making this video that was fun!

every time it hits stewie pinball, my smile immediately drops.

You don't like Safecracker!? It's one of my absolute favourite games, and the one game that will never leave my collection. 1. It's TOUGH. When you earn a free game you get a real sense of achievement. 2. It's the most action-packed playfield per square inch of any pinball machine: playfield spinner, 3 banks of drop targets, a vari-target, scoop, catapult, ramp, three pops. 3. The board game and token features are icing on the cherry. I agree with the rest of your list. You could have added Playboy and KISS - boring games which command way too high a price just due to their themes.

Love Batman 66. Favorite shot: Fighting the crane. The ramps are sexy shots too.

Kingpin: I think people regard it so high just because of how uncommon it is and how it's one of the very few pinball games Capcom made Family Guy: Uhhh does any pinball enthusiast actually like this game? lol The layman, I understand but a pinball enthusiast? Batman '66: It's only popular because of '60 nostalgia. The layout is boring. Isn't this just a retread of Batman The Dark Knight by Stern? Elvira and the Party Monsters: I like this one better than Scared Stiff, to be honest. I would rank this one at a lot lower. Spirit: This is one that you have to dig deep and think about it's existence. The props are neat, I guess. Addams Family: Ehhh I like it.... Quicksilver: It does stink!

I agree with most all on the list, except for BBB. You should exclude that one and put in MM instead and your list would be perfect.

After your last video, I was searching the net for the Tiki girl shirt. Nothing found and ....bam... you guys turn up with two of them 😂 nice list, totally agree with Addams Family and White Water

Addams Family, yeah I was waiting for that to come up and I find the left side playfield very restricted

The only thing that really surprised me was that Addams Family wasn’t number one. For the others, I mostly agree gameplay wise. White Water is tough though as it’s really fun. It may be overpriced for what it is, but on the flip side of that, if it were a 3-4K pin, would many people sell it? In a larger collection it’s a great game. I certainly miss mine.

Sorry, Addams Family is pure fun, as well as a great game. it's earned its reputation.

Whitewater and Addams Family are great. I think you could have found some overrated games to take their place - especially since you admit you want an Addams. I'd almost respect your list if you selected Wizard of Oz, and I own one!

When I think of "overrated", two words instantly come to mind: _Fish. Tales._ With a boring playfield layout, one of the stupidest themes for an early 90s game, lightning flippers on a game that really doesn't need them, a multiball that's obnoxiously difficult to score _anything_ in, and a ruleset shallower than a fishing pond in California in the middle of July, Fish Tales is a game that I honestly don't understand all the love for. It's mind-boggling how Mark Ritchie games are either undisputed classics (see Sorcerer, Taxi, Indiana Jones) or total duds (see this, Police Force, Big Buck Hunter) with practically no middle ground.

TAF is the most produced and sold pinball machines in the solid state era. They were played to to the point on route that it's rare to find one that isn't destroyed from just normal play wear. I don't really want or care for the game but... Overrated? I think it owns it popularity just based on its.... oh.... I don't know.... popularity?

I don't like any pinball on your list, so nicely done :)

Kiss is also another one. Drab gameplay, no thought on playfield physics ... everything so geometrically placed

I've never liked Addams family, but I quite enjoyed Big bang bar, especially this weird, adult oriented SF theme. It's not by any mean the best pinball I've played but I quite enjoyed it.

So agree on Elvira and the party Monsters. Scared Stiff on the other hand is under rated!

How dare you place White Water on that list! I do wish it was a little cheaper. Pretty much agree with all the others.

Cant argue with much on the list , nice one guys.. but where was the bonus scene at the end?!

Oh man I forgot to say Orbit LOLno nothing on the playfield just tons of magnets tossing the ball around

When I'm asking to the average Joe about pinball played in the past, I only got two responses: "I played a Pinball Machine" or "I played the Addams one". I don't know how Lawlor and his team did it, but it's the only pinball everyone remember by its theme.

I HATE YOU! (Just kidding, lol...) You guys have played a lot more games than I but I was surprised to see Addams Family so high on this list. I owned a Twilight Zone back in the day and enjoyed it so much I searched high and low for an Addams. I found one in rough shape and replaced the ramps, plastics, and playfield with new parts from Steve Young's Pinball Resource in 2000. I played it for a while but decided it wasn't as good as Twilight Zone and that I could buy three games for what it was worth at the time. So, is it overrated? Sure. But personally I think it's a pretty fun game and there are so many hyped games that flat out suck I don't think it's bad enough to make the list of shame. I would add Star Trek Next Generation at #2 in it's place.

HOWDY PARTNER! Love the channel guys , love the topic , but White Water is a great game. One of my favs.

100% agree with Batman 66. I know a lot of people really like that one, but every time I've played it.... it's just a big eh experience.

You forgot the game behind you. The Beatles. Great music. Game holy crap disappointing.

I got to agree with you on Addams Family. I also feel the same way about Scared Stiff to a degree. I'd also say Star Trek: the Next Generation is a bit overrated as well, as well as Terminator 2. For some reason ST:TNG sitting at number 2 on IPDB's Top SS tables. I'd rather play some other tables like No Good Gophers, Medieval Madness, Attack From Mars, or Dr. Who. Still fun though.

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i completely agree with Addams Family. When i returned to the game after having not played for over ten years then started catching up by playing the new modern Sterns like Godzilla, AIQ, Rush, and JP, i quickly realized that Addams Family is ultra overrated and that nostalgia bias is clouding too much of people's judgement. Maybe Addams Family was the high water mark in '92/'93, but 30 years later and these new games shit ALL OVER it. Even games from Addams Family era are better games, in my opinion. Monster Bash, Tales of the Arabian Nights, and even Fish Tales are three games i can think off the top of my head without effort that are better than AF. Whitewater you guys dropped the ball or it was strategic just to get people into the comment section. Either way, i can't hate on that because it was either clever, or relateable; since i drop the ball many times myself every day.

I know it is not very related. But I don't have a lot of money. I got my first pinball. What is Cyclone. I also did not play many pinball machines in my life time. (accept for on a computer but that doesn't count) So I don't really have much to compare it to. So just out of curiosity. How well does that game stack compared to others of that era? And you can be dead honest. Because I like this pin. And I don't know any better. Because I don't have something to compare it to. But for pinball fans that knows something about pins. what is your opinion about cyclone?

I was so ready for Cirqus to be on this list, I was formulating the slurs I was going to use in this reply. Now all I have left to say is this is a solid list. I hope it drives down the price on WW so I can buy one though.

Never got to play White Water, but it’s a super unique theme..

Whitewater I'm kinda "meh" as to if it belongs on the list. I like it, but don't love it. Spirit I haven't ever played, so I can't comment. The rest? I 100% agree. Especially Adams Family. Good god. Yes, it was groundbreaking in what it did. Wonderful. But it's been surpassed so many times since then.

4:43 Oh, my, God! White Water sucks! Playing that game on location is a nightmare because there's no ball save.

Addams Family is probably the best pin ever

Great show guys, but I’ve got to disagree with White Water , it is an awesome game , I’ve owned it for 10 years and still enjoy it as much now as the day I bought it.

My bucket list item is one day to get my first pinball from you. Great show !

At 6:00, from what I saw, IMHO they(Stern) should have contacted DC/Warner and do a Batman 88' with Michael Keaton and make a better layout than what they did there. Like maybe an LE/Premium style Black Knight SOR, yes with a upper playfield but much faster and goes much farther to be more faithful and more true to it's 1988/89 PG:13 source material than all of the video game adaptations put together(and yes that means Sunsoft's legendary Sega Genesis game and Atari's short-lived kit based Coin-op).

Totally agree. Great video. Thanks.

Love the video. No suprises...keep up the good work!

Addam's Family is one of the most overrated IMHO. I just don't get it. Pins like Flash Gordon or Vector are much better.

If anything, I'd say Safecracker is UNDERrated. I've bought it back in the day because it was rare and unique (and for the equivalent of 1300 USD in almost mint condition, would you pass it up?), but everybody warned me it was terrible, it made no money for arcade operators, and the timed play was a horrible idea. Now, it's true the token dispenser is a novelty that becomes completely useless once you bring the game home, but the gameplay? Trying to set the high score? It's fast, frenetic, you can never stop the ball and relax 'cause you're always trying to get some bonus time; and the luck factor of the dice rolls makes the game unpredictable. In short, I've found it to be really addictive, a "just one more game" pin. Give it a chance and learn the rules, it's worth it.

This or that. Zach' opinion or Gregs opinion! lol Great video as always. TheModCouple

In 2018 - The best of the best - > > Elvira, now most overrated...?!

I was wrong. The overrated list only featured two "modern" Sterns and the list averaged ~1994. The underrated list featured two modern Sterns and the average was the year 1,999.9.

You guys should do a review on williams ‘85 sorcerer!

"...long way down the shitter. Cause that games: SUCKS." - Zach 7:19 I'll be real, Greg is why I watch this show. He's funnier, better looking, we have more similar tastes, and Gosh Darnit: People like him. However, the above quote is the truest thing ever said on SDTM. Zach, take a bow.

Godzilla. The magna grab is awesome and ramps are great, but it only has two props: mechagidzilla and the building

that TAF has a beautiful playfield. i must say i love playing both BBB and TAF. agree on the others tho.

Do you have a top underrated pin list?

Elvira and the Party Monsters, made money in the bars... The game was not too complicated... the game was just right for the times.

The Addams Family is an iconic pinball table, and the industry wouldn't be where it is without it. In fact, the industry has long since outgrown it. We all need to move on.

I think an honorable mention would be Theater of magic, it’s fun at first but it gets kind of boring fast

if there's an Addams Family at the bar, lanes or billiards etc.. that's at least a 20 spot added to my total outlay for the night. could listen to those quotes and remember the references in the movies over and over. ST NG w the big looping ramp was always annoying as the only/limited option for pinball while out. don't see Dr Who as often as it deserves, that was an exciting progression style game with super sound effects.

Would you guys trade a pretty nice condition Data East Star Wars (w/ the updated code) for a Jack-Bot or an ok condition No Good Gofers that needs a little work?

Agree with Whitewater being overated, I think It’s sister Fishtales is better

I guess that answers my question about Family guy. I'd love the sounds but the table? I agree, it sucks so bad.

Give me an old school table any day.... Cross-Town Triple Action Fireball

Totally agree with Adams Family..

I'd like to see matching tuxedo t-shirts for the next TWIPYs video. Also, Quicksilver is a great game.

Ok white water is amazing

White Water is a great table. And Addams Family is an easy target but it made the most money and that's ultimately the point (find an arcade operator from the 90s who says otherwise)

I was worried that you were going to have my Demolition Man in there somewhere! Glad it wasnt. Have to agree with most of the list, with the exception of Whitewater. Sure its somewhat shallow.... but working towards the vacation jackpot and then the chaos after you hit it makes it worth it to me.

There was a safe cracker at the 2022 pinball expo and it had the left flipper missing and played terribly

Nice! „Wir brauchen Eier!“ (german saying) and you both got it.

Indiana Jones is my all time favorite. Love Adams Family, Creature from the black lagoon, Star Trek, attack from Mars, and of course the original KISS machine. I worked at an arcade when it came out.

Just found out this channel, i may not be an expert but i love pinballs anyway.

I spent a lot of coins in pinball back in the days. White Water In the arcade. Enjoyed it too! Happy days. Beside it was Twilight Zone and The Addams Family and Fish Tale

If I had to get rid of every machine I own except for one, it would be White Water. You must have been smoking solder.

Addams Family and White Water are only two on list I've seen . Loved playing both.

Big Bang Bar reminds me of my daughter's hamster cage plastic tunnel extensions.

Hey I like watching you guys. What are some good pins that if you don't have a lot of money I like a lot of system 11 lot of 80s Games are good to get for not a lot of money.Waterworld looks