Strain VS Support | K-Pop Male Vocalists (F4 - C5)

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EXIDek

EXIDek

7 жыл бұрын

Note by note comparison of strained/unsupported singing VS. supported/resonant singing from male Korean vocalists
It's worth noting that even if a singer has developed proper support, they'll still start straining at some point, depending on how developed their technique is. Likewise, a singer appearing in the ''strain'' category does not mean they necessarily strain throughout their whole range. Most singers have a ''supported range'', in which they're able to properly support their voice, and when singing outside of that range, they'd strain/be unsupported. More info and examples on that can be found in this video: • Strain VS Support 2 | ...
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@niamhkmcg
@niamhkmcg 6 жыл бұрын
if only sm treated the idols themselves as well as they treat their vocal cords
@user-ef4ch1ku3k
@user-ef4ch1ku3k 6 жыл бұрын
Sigh... true
@matec.1773
@matec.1773 6 жыл бұрын
Sadly, now this truly applies.
@esme798
@esme798 6 жыл бұрын
PREACH👏👏
@nuruldarwisyah9033
@nuruldarwisyah9033 6 жыл бұрын
iM whEEziNg
@MonaLisa-mp2tj
@MonaLisa-mp2tj 6 жыл бұрын
burn.
@czarinalagrimas7023
@czarinalagrimas7023 7 жыл бұрын
SM really train their singers well, that's all I can say
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 7 жыл бұрын
jesus rivera ehh not really. Jessica was trained for main vocal & the longest trainee too among SNSD & yet her gap is far away from Taeyeon. Changmin is also one of the main vocal & yet he's a really weak vocalist than what people would think of about him. Yesung too. Besides being trained for main vocal, Kyuhyun & Ryeowook deadass leaving him so far away. Kyuhyun even spend shorter time of being a trainee than those two. Junsu is only average when he's still in TVXQ & still is even after leaving the group for a long time until he developed his technique himself. Jaejoong is average too & still is even to this point. For the lead vocals? Donghae, Sungmin, Tiffany, Sunny, Seohyun, Suho, Xiumin, Lay, Luhan, Joy, Seulgi & Krystal are pretty much ranging from average to weak vocalists. & Luna is the most obvious. She started as the main dancer until she worked hard on her voice & SM started to train her & definitely become main vocal. Literally the same case as Taemin. So not everything is about the training. It also depends on the idol itself, whether if they're really talented or willing to work hard.
@elle4406
@elle4406 7 жыл бұрын
well sm makes the already good, better. but those who come in with avg vocals or less than avg, stay avg.
@krazedcrazy1
@krazedcrazy1 7 жыл бұрын
Czarina Lagrimas exactly! I can sense that sm doesn't joke around when it comes to vocal training all the singers have great support in their singing and the sound is always resonant and clear compared to some that sound to strained or forced
@stravaganxo3968
@stravaganxo3968 7 жыл бұрын
+Lee Park Disagree!!! HAVE YOU SEEN TAEMIN I AM SO PROUD OF THAT BOY I AM IN TEARS. Even Jongin, although you can't say he has that good technique, he does do more singing than rapping which was his original position in the group.
@jesusrivera0509
@jesusrivera0509 7 жыл бұрын
Taemin is one big exeption, true, but that is because he wanted to improve himself sooo bad, and jonghyun helped him a lot, he did it for himself, that wasn't sm .... and he had natural talent ....., jongin now does sing more than during his debut days, but that hasn't make a difference in his technique so far, he has learned how to sound a bit better (a slightly better placement) but not a lot to do with technique, he is still pretty weak. That is the same case for many sm idols like yoona or minho, they sound much better now compared to their debut days, but they only learned how to "sound better" not proper technique.
@xxxsizm
@xxxsizm 7 жыл бұрын
i just want to point out that how amazing sm vocal trainers are that they can bring taemin to that level. the boy really work so hard and props to sm, they really train their singers well.
@Sakura-co2wd
@Sakura-co2wd 7 жыл бұрын
i drop sehun for vivi I agree I was so impressed that Taemin could support the note well like that👏🏻👏🏻 I know he improved so much, even singing very stable high notes in songs and live performances, but almost NO ONE who's a "main dancer" gets that far in singing. And the video of him supporting that note even looked a bit old!
@ainabalkis
@ainabalkis 7 жыл бұрын
Sakura11 yes. the first taemin's video is from 2012 and second is from 2013
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 6 жыл бұрын
I Xo that would need like a long time to go.
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 6 жыл бұрын
I Xo seeing Jongin right now didn't even have proper support at all, & how busy EXO is, yes it would take a pretty long time for him to at least reach half of what Taemin has achieved(as a comparison).
@riveraisa1
@riveraisa1 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly, he just needed some vocal trainning cause her voice was a hidden gem, but with idols like Tiffany they're doing their job wrong pushing her to do high notes out of her range.
@JodiWong
@JodiWong 7 жыл бұрын
never forget that both chen and baekhyun trained for less than a year
@KrisJavier
@KrisJavier 6 жыл бұрын
Jodi Wong Two of the few naturals.... Ryeowook and Kyuhyun trained shorter time than the other SuJu members too. Gems. They did help their groups vocally...but SM helped them polish their natural talents too :)
@JodiWong
@JodiWong 6 жыл бұрын
Kris Javier sm is just great at training vocals :)
@sakurachan288
@sakurachan288 6 жыл бұрын
Jodi Wong Not sure about Chen but I heard Baekhyun was already receiving vocal lessons even before he became an SM trainee thats why he debuted quickly. Like Sunny was a trainee for 6 months in SM before being the last to join SNSD but before that she was in another agency and received vocal training.
@earli649
@earli649 6 жыл бұрын
Yuri Sakura - And their training did not really stop after debut.
@carmendelcastillo7724
@carmendelcastillo7724 6 жыл бұрын
chen was taking singing lessons before and it was his teacher who advised him to audition at companies.
@displosomia6106
@displosomia6106 6 жыл бұрын
Strain vs SM
@sunriselle
@sunriselle 5 жыл бұрын
i'M MCWHEEZING
@ivonne5213
@ivonne5213 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@kimiam2264
@kimiam2264 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@yuetleng
@yuetleng 5 жыл бұрын
Lol I have to agree
@Ian-ll8hb
@Ian-ll8hb 5 жыл бұрын
Sadly true. Since SM is literally one of the few that actually has good vocal trainers.
@jazzzg4021
@jazzzg4021 7 жыл бұрын
There's a reason why SM is always on top when it comes to vocals
@xxxsizm
@xxxsizm 7 жыл бұрын
yup i agree
@r.9447
@r.9447 7 жыл бұрын
Jazzz G sm has the best vocal trainers/coaches and they never miss out on scouting trainees with great singing talent
@jadev164
@jadev164 7 жыл бұрын
I wish other companies trained their singers as well as them. Some singers have great voices but are taught such unhealthy techniques (or are they even taught at all ?) that they end up damaging their vocal cords irremediably.
@thaotruong531
@thaotruong531 7 жыл бұрын
Jazzz G nah I think rbw produces some of the best vocals I mean just look at mamamoo esna vromance and predebut group pop they all have amazing vocals
@r.9447
@r.9447 7 жыл бұрын
Thao Truong that's true, but sm turns idols who know nothing about singing to good vocalists. Take Luna and Taemin for example. Both of them were scouted for their dancing ability and were weak vocalists but look at them now. Also, most of the idols who debuted in sm just for their visuals have improved so much in their singing ability compared to other companies, they went from idols who say 2 or 3 words in songs to being decent singers. Also, if you talk about top 5 male idols with best techniques, there would be 4 out of 5 from sm only.
@hannahthecritter
@hannahthecritter 7 жыл бұрын
I wish teaching proper, healthy technique was more valued by companies - like how SM does. Because if some of these vocalists continue to strain their voices for years, they could end up in a bad place :(
@lightishredgummi9654
@lightishredgummi9654 7 жыл бұрын
hannahthecritter I know right? I wonder why some companies don't value vocal technique/health. It's really important and it seems like a lot of people don't get that. It's just as important as anything else. If you want a group to last long, their VOICES have to last long. (Though that may be the one of the problems, maybe they don't expect the group to last that long so they just don't care)
@jungkooksbeautifulvoice7326
@jungkooksbeautifulvoice7326 7 жыл бұрын
hannahthecritter just like Park Bom
@sydneytran3489
@sydneytran3489 7 жыл бұрын
hannahthecritter honestly like rosé is gonna ruin her voice cus of yg wanting her voice to be unique
@kavyasundar7240
@kavyasundar7240 7 жыл бұрын
sydney trbl thank you I was mentioning in her mask singer how her voice is average if she continues to push that nasally voice she's going to end up like park bom seriously yg needs to take care of their artists and people were praising her unique voice. This is why yuju is the best out of the rookies so far I don't know anyone else who is good perhaps seungkwan's but that's not saying much.
@jungkooksbeautifulvoice7326
@jungkooksbeautifulvoice7326 7 жыл бұрын
Kavya Sundar I would like to add Wendy, but idk if she is considered a rookie or not
@youdoyou9735
@youdoyou9735 7 жыл бұрын
No doubt Kyuhyun is all up in here with the support. Taemin makes me happy. SM artists doing it right.
@AlaiyahParkinsonpokemon
@AlaiyahParkinsonpokemon 7 жыл бұрын
Sm makes sure their artists are well trained
@woordenhechtster
@woordenhechtster 6 жыл бұрын
There's a dude who analyzes K-pop artists TECHNIQUES and thus far, Kyuhyun is the best male vocal (technique wise) of those he analyzed.
@g_pizzle1057
@g_pizzle1057 6 жыл бұрын
In kpop, Park Hyoshin and Jung Dongha are higher though
@Shakey1342
@Shakey1342 6 жыл бұрын
G_pizzle10 They arent considered kpop. Just singers/solo artists
@empresscassandraleigh553
@empresscassandraleigh553 6 жыл бұрын
woordenhechtster yes he is.
@jules8062
@jules8062 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so proud of taemin, he's come a long way from the beginning and has improved so much
@taemint6v6
@taemint6v6 7 жыл бұрын
yes yes, i'm so happy to see him as an example twice ;w;
@danikasan7308
@danikasan7308 7 жыл бұрын
he really has improved so so much.. honestly who would've thought
@kennie39
@kennie39 7 жыл бұрын
sehunxings it feels like just yesterday that why so serious came out and we were all shocked by how many parts he got. he really has improved a lot💕
@flylightlvia2181
@flylightlvia2181 6 жыл бұрын
I'm so proud of our boy ❤️❤️❤️ he's come a long way
@liynne
@liynne 6 жыл бұрын
that's what proper, corect technique does to an already existing, albeit weak voice. besides, when taemin debuted he was so young, his voice and body didn't fully develop yet. i sometimes am happy he barely had any lines at first bc he didn't have to strain his voice like many other idols have to. thus he improved like any singer should, but, in kpop i notice companies don't really care about techniue, only how unique your voice is, how to blend with the group and high notes.
@kimkai9062
@kimkai9062 7 жыл бұрын
SM artists domination
@karlahernandez-qv5qz
@karlahernandez-qv5qz 7 жыл бұрын
please people don't think that these vocalists are bad. they just weren't taught about support and proper technique. with help they can get better, they will improve hopefully so don't think of them as bad. just think of them as working on it and improving. you can Still hype up your fav and others too just be respectful and don't use this as a way to be rude to other fans.
@karlahernandez-qv5qz
@karlahernandez-qv5qz 7 жыл бұрын
Xoharu not in the comments but on twitter people are always bad mouthing artists for not being "stable" or not being able to "hit high notes"
@jesusrivera0509
@jesusrivera0509 7 жыл бұрын
karla hernandez If they don't change the way they sing, with the help of a REAL vocal instructure.... or if they are taught wrong and their company likes that (yg & jyp) the's no way most of them will improve.
@karlahernandez-qv5qz
@karlahernandez-qv5qz 7 жыл бұрын
jesus rivera its not that they can't improve its just that a lot of companies think these people are good singers so they don't have actual instructors to help them actually learn. they assume because they can hit a few notes that they're great so they don't bother to get actual vocal instructors. some companies however do put in effort. however its not the artists fault that they don't get help so they shouldn't be bashed because they don't know any better.
@jesusrivera0509
@jesusrivera0509 7 жыл бұрын
It is what i meant tho, yg likes nasal singers, jyp like unsopported/airy singers, big hit doesn't even care .... it is sad that these entertainmnet companies( and so many others) based on music don't knowwhat the basic of singing.
@karlahernandez-qv5qz
@karlahernandez-qv5qz 7 жыл бұрын
jesus rivera they want money, few artists and companies actually care for the idols. that's just the way it is. some idols do get more help and training but others don't.
@cbuz06
@cbuz06 7 жыл бұрын
its sad to think that the vocal coaches in many of these companies are butchering these singers voices. I'll mainly speak of Bighit and YG as a fan of groups from those companies they are ruining their voices slowly. Bom already lost her voice from the constant out of range strain and i see Jimin on that same path. Rose is still good but her technique is cringy. They have the money so please invest in your talent
@devvochkka
@devvochkka 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know why they force nasality and lack of technique on Rose, girl has talent but they're going to kill her voice.
@marwaumar1242
@marwaumar1242 7 жыл бұрын
Jeonsa(전사) I wish SM would learn rapping from YG and YG would learn singing from SM. I also feel like SM and YG should exchange styling tips 😂😂
@gunaymuradova4633
@gunaymuradova4633 7 жыл бұрын
Marwa Umar and JYP needs to learn all: singing, rapping and dancing
@DoveStories
@DoveStories 7 жыл бұрын
Jeonsa(전사) For real.. I get that BigHit is a company more focused on hip-hop sound but they still need to show care to their vocalists (especially now that BTS has been doing a lot more ballad-y, vocal-focused songs). It's been 4 years and BTS's vocalists' progress has gone so slowly.. They are all talented and have beautiful voices but BigHit isn't nurturing those voices very well at all. Personally, I hate seeing what they're doing to Taehyung's voice the most. He has a gorgeous baritone, but they're forcing him to sing as if though he's a tenor like the other 3 vocalists in BTS..
@gunaymuradova4633
@gunaymuradova4633 7 жыл бұрын
DoveStories i agree, Taehyung is the best vocalist in BTS but they keep pushing Jungkook and Jimin.. Maybe Taehyung's voice doesn't match with their songs. i don't know
@flaviadepina9925
@flaviadepina9925 7 жыл бұрын
Leo strains a lot and he sounds like he is screaming more than singing sometimes..... tho im surprise with ken , and chen indeed is a great vocalist waiting for sm to give him a solo
@gunaymuradova4633
@gunaymuradova4633 7 жыл бұрын
Taekwoon shyness is adorable Ken is the best vocalist in VIXX, actually. Technique wise, i mean
@ojaymami
@ojaymami 7 жыл бұрын
Chen HAS solos, you can check them out!
@flaviadepina9925
@flaviadepina9925 7 жыл бұрын
White Noise chen Has OST and SM station, i want solo(the real deal) with promotion.... variety shows, music shows....
@chenlenochen
@chenlenochen 7 жыл бұрын
don't be so greedy :) chen himself said that he doesn't want a solo yet, he's still figuring out what he wants to do when the time comes
@julianaguzman6435
@julianaguzman6435 7 жыл бұрын
Taekwoon shyness is adorable Actually the artist are usually the first ones to ask for a solo. Chen himself said that he don't want a solo yet.
@vathneatoch2360
@vathneatoch2360 7 жыл бұрын
SM might not be the best company but they know their shit when itcomes to vocal training
@monkebrainiac
@monkebrainiac 7 жыл бұрын
Vathnea Toch how are they not the best company tho?
@TheAlexandra211
@TheAlexandra211 7 жыл бұрын
RandomCallMeNobody They're known for not treating their idols the best.
@mayabarua3517
@mayabarua3517 6 жыл бұрын
Vathnea Toch despite the slave contracts, mistreatment and mismanagement, they really know how to vocal train
@nctsgrass
@nctsgrass 6 жыл бұрын
They ARE the best companies though. Largest&richest company, produced so many legends, their groups are the most awarded, they aren't just known in the idol industry but acting, modelling and variety as well (with SM C&C/ESteem), they're the only company to go further and experiment with big projects (first rotational group in kpop: SUJU, first koreano-chinese group: EXO, first group with an unlimited number of members and units: NCT, only company to launch a project that promotes music as art through 1 song a week: SMSTATION) and I can keep on forever. I didn't even bring up SM's achievements of 1st gen. They started kpop. They may have shitty management but they're still on top of the game and unsurpassable.
@rttrrttrrttr
@rttrrttrrttr 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlexandra211 yg and cube took that title lol
@myyunni
@myyunni 7 жыл бұрын
sandeul's voice colour is really pretty. one of my favourite voices.
@ellav8496
@ellav8496 7 жыл бұрын
inspirit96 yes
@babyjoon2887
@babyjoon2887 6 жыл бұрын
inspirit96 I love your profile picture
@jiminbias5082
@jiminbias5082 6 жыл бұрын
inspiritize ik
@yaizaananda7293
@yaizaananda7293 3 жыл бұрын
Do u know what song that he sing on 0:43?
@julyan1386
@julyan1386 2 жыл бұрын
@@yaizaananda7293 The Way to Live Like a Man. They won on this episode. 😊 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nJ-lmsyq18-9o2g.html
@sheyuhh6429
@sheyuhh6429 7 жыл бұрын
from what i've seen all over youtube and by browsing the web, SMs trainers have done an extraordinary job. with makes and females. Luna being in the top 5 female kpop vocalists EVER and taeyeon and wendy right behind while kyuhyun and baekhyun and chenare up there and taemin right behind. and its even crazier that they took taemins vocals that far. they seriously do so well with teaching the proper singing techniques. i applaud them for wanting to keep their vocals in nice shape and consistent edit: i spelled males wrong but i think you all understood
@alizemarie1707
@alizemarie1707 7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget jonghyun
@learntonotseemstupid
@learntonotseemstupid 7 жыл бұрын
i'd say she's /almost/ there. there's always ailee, haeri, shannon, lina and son seungyeon to overcome...
@learntonotseemstupid
@learntonotseemstupid 7 жыл бұрын
Nur Fadhilahthamwin yeah but she isn't considered "kpop"
@chung2F5
@chung2F5 7 жыл бұрын
Luna in top 5? Nope. Also Kyungsoo>Baekhyun, don't forget Jonghyun either. SME has the largest amount of technically proficient idol vocalists in Kpop. It pains me when people say SME idols are all looks, no talent.
@sheyuhh6429
@sheyuhh6429 7 жыл бұрын
some of those that you guys mentioned above luna are not idols. i was referring to vocals among kpop idols haha. most of the ones you guys mentioned are just korean singers not idols
@hihello1505
@hihello1505 7 жыл бұрын
SM DOMINATION
@Sakura-co2wd
@Sakura-co2wd 7 жыл бұрын
hi hello SM definitely knows how to train their vocalists👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@chani3396
@chani3396 6 жыл бұрын
Like N.666 7u7
@abbysucks3643
@abbysucks3643 7 жыл бұрын
i think it's important to note that some idols were in both categories, so you shouldn't use this video or any one performance to label who's a good or bad singer.
@cbuz06
@cbuz06 7 жыл бұрын
abby sucks Exactly. even great singers have bad days. I was surprised to see Chen and K Will in the strain section. But I know they are both very talented
@Helloimjunghyun
@Helloimjunghyun 7 жыл бұрын
Jeonsa(전사) lol no. Chen's highest supported note is A4 and K.Will's highest supported note is G4/G#4... so if they singing or phrasing the notes above their highest supported note, then it's obviously they're strained. They both are talented singers but it's fact that they'll straining if they sing above their highest supported notes
@laurenk.2791
@laurenk.2791 7 жыл бұрын
They aren't saying whos a good or bad singer...they are comparing voices of strained and unstrained to show a difference ...if their voice is strained it doesnt mean they are bad lmao
@laurenk.2791
@laurenk.2791 7 жыл бұрын
abby sucks you claimed they are labeling who's a good or bad singer by showing who strained and who didn't...
@Helloimjunghyun
@Helloimjunghyun 7 жыл бұрын
abby sucks I think the owner of this video wants to educate some kpop fans with no knowledge of vocal technique to differentiate between Supported and Strained notes
@karimerosas8390
@karimerosas8390 7 жыл бұрын
SM is not all about looks, they have the best vocalists tbh.
@jenp2901
@jenp2901 7 жыл бұрын
Karime in kpop*
@yohanesjisrel2960
@yohanesjisrel2960 6 жыл бұрын
Karime and also their looks is fuckin beautiful
@artsylittlefag2582
@artsylittlefag2582 6 жыл бұрын
And dancers
@springpeaches9481
@springpeaches9481 6 жыл бұрын
Starlight Jaci dancers yes BoA, Luna, Yunho, Taemin, Kai, Victoria, Hyoyeon, Seulgi, Ten and Eunhyuk are amazing
@irfankamil2542
@irfankamil2542 6 жыл бұрын
Korean best vocalist is Kim SoHyang btw 😂
@akshayaravi7680
@akshayaravi7680 6 жыл бұрын
Bighit should get a better vocal coach I know they are hip hop group but don't waste your vocalist especially taehyung that boys voice is pure gold and stop making jimin strain so much he will loose his voice soon and I believe with good coaching kookie will be able to hit high notes without strain
@exbla7080
@exbla7080 6 жыл бұрын
Akshaya Ravi indeed
@jinkiwooferz7317
@jinkiwooferz7317 6 жыл бұрын
I agree
@marixcx
@marixcx 6 жыл бұрын
I love Taehyung’s voice ... but he’s a baritone so he’s always not given most parts.(personally my favorite vocal in the vocal line)
@dorothycelly
@dorothycelly 6 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with BTS and MAMAMOO you're basically saying that you want bts to damage & lose their voices.
@akshayaravi7680
@akshayaravi7680 6 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with BTS and MAMAMOO I know they have a good rap and dance line I'm just saying their vocal line is so frickin talented and can do better with a better vocal coach
@aleece1267
@aleece1267 7 жыл бұрын
SM singers are the kings of vocals tbh
@haenakim8969
@haenakim8969 7 жыл бұрын
Inspirit of Starlights, Armies, and Exo-l The thing I notice about SM singers is that they all sound the same and sing the same way. Not hating because all the receipts are on video. They have great vocal lessons but they lack originality.
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 7 жыл бұрын
Haena Kim how the fuck they sound the same? You mean their tone? & sing the same way? how? can you elaborate? Because sometimes people just wanna talk whatever they want but can't explain further what they mean clearly. That's pretty much bullshit in my opinion.
@denonmars
@denonmars 7 жыл бұрын
Haena Kim they all sound similar because they are all using proper techniques to sing rather than straining or singing nasally to produce a special "original" sound
@kennie39
@kennie39 7 жыл бұрын
Andreanata Noivan a lot of their artists do have the same vocal type. if you listen to lucky one by exo and switch by nct 127 after one another you might see what we mean. also it's possible that the person commenting didnt know exactly how to explain it because they dont have that kind of knowledge. there's no need to be rude to them
@kennie39
@kennie39 7 жыл бұрын
Haena Kim i agree with you but i also think they have some really original voices in there too, like shinee and luna taeyeon
@moonfestal
@moonfestal 7 жыл бұрын
Sandeul is such a king. Y'all going on about SM and you're right but I just wanna talk about B1A4's vocal king.
@ellav8496
@ellav8496 7 жыл бұрын
Kook and Suga lamb skewer duo omg girl me too i love sm but I wanna talk about how dang sweet his voice was truly a masterpiece ain't it? 🍵
@den13ful
@den13ful 7 жыл бұрын
Kook and Suga lamb skewer duo SANDEUL VOCAL KING 👑👑👑👑👑
@chaekayeon
@chaekayeon 6 жыл бұрын
Sandeul did better
@aisha02a
@aisha02a 6 жыл бұрын
Kook and Suga lamb skewer duo YEYES
@caramelmilktea1643
@caramelmilktea1643 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know him but when i heard his voice i was damn im gonna cri 😭
@chiboy3000
@chiboy3000 7 жыл бұрын
Essentially, supported sounds come from the diaphragm. If the placement of the sound is right, and there's no tension, supported sounds will also resonate. The sound then comes out like a beam of light. Strained (or unsupported) sounds tend to get trapped in the throat because the diaphragm is not being used. All this does is cause the swallowing muscles to engage, which introduces tension, hence the whiny and thin sound often found in unsupported vocals. This can also happen while speaking. To see this for yourself, use your throat to sing a note. Try to hold it out for as long as you can and stay on key. Not easy, right? Now, breathe into your lower back and sustain a note. If done correctly, you should feel less tension in the throat and a buzzing sensation on your face. Your pitch should also be more stable. Singing like this is healthier and more natural for the voice.
@Helloimjunghyun
@Helloimjunghyun 7 жыл бұрын
This comment should go to top and deserve upvotes 👍
@chiboy3000
@chiboy3000 7 жыл бұрын
+Dani Marwan Thanks. :)
@god-sz4qq
@god-sz4qq 6 жыл бұрын
TheMaleAvenger this needs to be at the top
@Chae-Phan
@Chae-Phan 6 жыл бұрын
Commenting to remember 💜😂
@Lizzeh41
@Lizzeh41 6 жыл бұрын
Screenshot this to practice and now I comment for future reference lol
@harukakosugi3988
@harukakosugi3988 7 жыл бұрын
SM really train their artists well, their vocal techniques are amazing
@clairedm6932
@clairedm6932 6 жыл бұрын
And Chen... omg I don't even have word... He is really the best vocalist I know...
@joeyjose727
@joeyjose727 7 жыл бұрын
Yo for some reason I felt like it was harder for me to tell when someone was straining for this video compared to the female one. Like there were obvious cases, but some of them kinda surprised me Anyways I loved these past 2 videos, fantastic work sis
@wan3349
@wan3349 7 жыл бұрын
ikr .the G and F notes are really hard to tell whether they're straining or not hahaha
@fathirizkimauladi8790
@fathirizkimauladi8790 7 жыл бұрын
Joey Perez this is exactly as i thought. I found it harder to identify the strain in male belting esp in e4-g4. it is still sound round somehow, so for me it still sounds the same ( supported or not), but as u said like in some cases we can identify that strained sound when it sounds so obvious like when hoarse and tension come out
@edenlewis2538
@edenlewis2538 7 жыл бұрын
Joey Perez I agree it is so much harder to tell when makes, especially the singers in this video, are straining or not. I was getting confused, if the strain support thing was not there I would have not realized when some people were straining.
@tvxqenthusiast
@tvxqenthusiast 7 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the sound is the same/similar, but when you observe the throats and larynx of someone straining it's more clear that they're injuring their vocal cords even if no tension is heard.
@alleahjadesaturay1999
@alleahjadesaturay1999 7 жыл бұрын
Joey Perez uhm i just wanna tell my opinion abt strain/support.(well this is just how i see it or based on my observations) When i can't differentiate strain and support i sometimes look at the singer's neck, if there are visible veins appearing, then i can tell it's strain but when there's none or not that visible then it's support. Well i'm not sure if that's right but as i said it's based on my observations 😊
@christinemaeaguilar5534
@christinemaeaguilar5534 7 жыл бұрын
SM really values vocal training. Kyuhyun and Chen are just so good. Taemin is also very good, considering that he's SHINee's lead dancer.
@jw0nevertheless
@jw0nevertheless 6 жыл бұрын
with Chen and Kyuhyun i'd say it's about natural talent they sound so effortless
@hannahfionna
@hannahfionna 6 жыл бұрын
Christine Mae Aguilar *main
@gracesean7380
@gracesean7380 6 жыл бұрын
Kyuhyun is fucking beast, he is probably the best one in SM with ryeowook and chen behind him
@desertfox1066
@desertfox1066 6 жыл бұрын
Grace Sean your list is accurate tho. In kpop idol vocalists, Kyuhyun is at the top with Hwanhee so he's the best one in sm followed by ryeowook then chen
@empresscassandraleigh553
@empresscassandraleigh553 6 жыл бұрын
Grace Sean yes i agree with u.
@sapodetenis
@sapodetenis 7 жыл бұрын
Taemin and Luna were only dancers, now she's one of the top vocals of SM, and Taemin is also doing very well. Happily SM give their artists a excellent vocal training.
@kavyasundar7240
@kavyasundar7240 7 жыл бұрын
bts fam like just roll with it agree especially with Rose people say her voice is unique but her technique is terrible she's going to damage her vocal cords SM really knows what they're doing
@malikabdullah9872
@malikabdullah9872 7 жыл бұрын
SM = Support and Technique
@ManduGC
@ManduGC 7 жыл бұрын
Not always but ok
@malikabdullah9872
@malikabdullah9872 7 жыл бұрын
ManduGC I wasn't being serious ....
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 7 жыл бұрын
ManduGC not always but *most of them*
@zelinarmy611
@zelinarmy611 6 жыл бұрын
Malik Abdullah SnakeM
@springpeaches9481
@springpeaches9481 6 жыл бұрын
ZELINARMY better than bigstrain
@deadsoon
@deadsoon 6 жыл бұрын
Jungkook did say he never liked practicing his singing when he was a trainee... and that shows. His color of voice is so beautiful, but his technique is just not there.
@strongwise1255
@strongwise1255 6 жыл бұрын
Maruzca he should have not wasted his voice like that
@musubi5636
@musubi5636 5 жыл бұрын
At least he improved a LOT over time and he's actually one of my favourite vocalists since he has a really beautiful sweet voice and still manages to get such good control over it and he is reaaaaally stable when singing live I think he doesn't actually strain his voice anymore + plus he sings almost every note perfectly live even while dancing. Most Idols can't be the main vocalist and lead dancer at the same time since it would be extremely tiring but he's got high stamina through a lot of hard work
@Mono-ni7yu
@Mono-ni7yu 5 жыл бұрын
@@musubi5636 He hasn't improved at all
@musubi5636
@musubi5636 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mono-ni7yu what's wrong with your ears
@Mono-ni7yu
@Mono-ni7yu 5 жыл бұрын
@@musubi5636 Nothing its just true, he's continuing his old habits. Only members who improved are V and Jin, Kinda jimin
@mirta540
@mirta540 7 жыл бұрын
y'all don't get too mad, even if some are listed under strain it doesn't make them bad vocalists, they just have a different way of singing that wasn't achieved through proper singing lessons there are some leo, kwill abd woohyun clips as strained but they are still great vocalists
@YG-nm1ts
@YG-nm1ts 7 жыл бұрын
mirta ᄋ I don't know why people get mad when others state that their idol strain/doesn't have good vocal tecnique. It's just a fact... I love solji and I admit she strains most of her high notes.
@mirta540
@mirta540 7 жыл бұрын
Yoly G ofc, plus there are a lot of great vocalists in kpop and the fact that they got singing lessons and stuff ofc makes them better on a practical level, yet those who strain are still good but most definitely not as capable as the first ones
@coniwiiuwu5578
@coniwiiuwu5578 7 жыл бұрын
mirta ᄋ Not Leo, but the rest I agree.
@mirta540
@mirta540 7 жыл бұрын
Tickle my Minhoe i think he's one one the most valuable out there, he has a ridiculous vocal range and can pretty much sing anything
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 7 жыл бұрын
mirta ᄋ vocal range doesn't mean anything. Leo literally falls under category of "weak vocalist". & almost all vocalists listed above who can support, can pretty much sing in many genre too.
@wonsikbrah
@wonsikbrah 7 жыл бұрын
I honestly believe Sandeul's resonance is the best I hear these days in kpop. That's not to diss the other vocalists, because VIXX is in fact my bias group. But I can understand that juat because Ken and Leo are great sounding vocalists, does not mean they have great techniques. Also, Hongbin would be so proud of Park Hyoshin's support lol
@aleksandra4072
@aleksandra4072 7 жыл бұрын
wonsikbrah yes,people need to understand differnce.Even tho I am Starlight and love Vixx to universe I can see that they have not recieved proper vocal training and they strain a lot,esp Leo
@ManduGC
@ManduGC 7 жыл бұрын
u right
@HereIStandbyU
@HereIStandbyU 7 жыл бұрын
neither JYPE. when their "couch" when to sister slam dunk he basically told then to scream the high notes e.e so you see GOT7's JB here with no proper technique. YoungJae NOW is taking lessons outside of the.company but how many times all these boys hurt their throats and vocal.chords because the company doesn't do the right thing.
@jamescharleswho189
@jamescharleswho189 6 жыл бұрын
HereIStandbyU I agree a lot, JB has such a beautiful voice colour and I'm pretty sure that he will improve his technic, i hope that youngjae will influence him to do it, it would such a shame if they do not do it because they both have powerful voices.
@mariellaflores9647
@mariellaflores9647 6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@inconspicuousarmy4782
@inconspicuousarmy4782 7 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on unsupported/supported head voice and relaxed/strained falsetto cause people need to know the truth lol
@inconspicuousarmy4782
@inconspicuousarmy4782 7 жыл бұрын
futurist 11 A few fandoms in particular v(•_•)
@nathaliasantos6778
@nathaliasantos6778 6 жыл бұрын
Inconspicuous ARMY people will be angry Will be funny read the comments section of this vidoe
@Lizzeh41
@Lizzeh41 6 жыл бұрын
I’m curious. Mostly just so I can try to copy lol and see how much fail will come xD
@user-cv2vo5wn9m
@user-cv2vo5wn9m 6 жыл бұрын
futurist 11 haahahaha
@Casey-yb6be
@Casey-yb6be 6 жыл бұрын
Inconspicuous ARMY im new to reading of techniques and stuff so I'd love to see that, this stuff is very enlightening lol
@anh8829
@anh8829 6 жыл бұрын
i love bts and all but armys gotta chill down on praising bts vocal line. they go way over board and sometime comparing it to chen or kyuhyun and actual saying bts vocal line is better like tf??
@t0xicg3m4
@t0xicg3m4 6 жыл бұрын
svt jun can like get it lol no one says their vocal line is better.. we praise them so they can get better and better. We always know in the back of our heads that we dont have the best vocal line. We got one of the best rap lines and thats really the honor for us
@kaylaistired.
@kaylaistired. 6 жыл бұрын
literally the only armys i seen trash other vocalist are the immature ones who never know when to shut up, it’s obvious bts doesn’t have the best vocal line, but they’ve definitely improved A LOT. also, praising = hyping their faves, i really don’t see a problem in that lol.
@renebartley1540
@renebartley1540 6 жыл бұрын
I am an hardcore Army but I would never compare Chen and any of the vocal liners. The have improved a lot though.
@saften2
@saften2 6 жыл бұрын
problematicstan many do, they say bts are better than everyone else, and even compare it to other idols..
@me10love1
@me10love1 5 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fahkmtNezsvPgXU.html
@dumbdumb7846
@dumbdumb7846 7 жыл бұрын
My Top 5 Male Vocalists (in no particular order) 1. Sandeul 2. Ryeowook 3. Kyuhyun 4. Chen 5. Jonghyun
@rawr3122
@rawr3122 6 жыл бұрын
DumbDumb Nice choices. I had them in mine.
@OceanStarSenpai
@OceanStarSenpai 6 жыл бұрын
OMG NOT LYING THESE ARE MY 5 FAVOURITE MALE VOCALISTS NO LIE HOLY!!!!! #goodtaste
@samzenzuu1507
@samzenzuu1507 6 жыл бұрын
Same💕
@vietdinhvan1560
@vietdinhvan1560 6 жыл бұрын
More like top 5 Male idol vocalists. Also kyuhyun should be on second
@nenbladeworks2985
@nenbladeworks2985 5 жыл бұрын
Mine would be ofc exo vocal line but if you're talking about one from each group, its (in particular order) 1 - baekhyun (exo) 2 - taeil (nct) 3 - taeyang (bigbang) 4 - seungkwan (seventeen) 5 - hongki (ft island)
@ecloudelf
@ecloudelf 7 жыл бұрын
kyuhyun and ryeowook's voice are no joke. proud to be elf~ 💓💓💓
@naomi9742
@naomi9742 7 жыл бұрын
Sandeul!!
@eastherkyaw
@eastherkyaw 7 жыл бұрын
VOACALSSSS !
@emjay1013
@emjay1013 7 жыл бұрын
Naomi yes just yes
@mirajanesoul12345
@mirajanesoul12345 7 жыл бұрын
i already expected that sandeul will be included from the video just from the title
@danikasan7308
@danikasan7308 7 жыл бұрын
as expected.. his voice is so pleasant to listen to
@timazeeee7508
@timazeeee7508 7 жыл бұрын
❤❤
@tanmac6762
@tanmac6762 7 жыл бұрын
even tho im a trained singer i got kinda shocked at inseong! like his voice is so full and rounded that you wouldnt expect it to be strained but listening to it closely you can hear that his throat is slightly closed when he belts which is just a result of how he's been trained on how to project his notes unfourtunately. he still has one of my fav voices from any rookie of last year tho :)
@kaiforger9621
@kaiforger9621 6 жыл бұрын
kim seokjin?? more like push me off a cliff Same girl, i didn't expected him here... I hope he doesn't cause too much damage to his voice. I really love him and wanna listen to his notes for long hahaha
@steelheart3899
@steelheart3899 7 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to Ken and I'm worried about Leo, he might damage his voice in the long run.
@catty_rxch
@catty_rxch 7 жыл бұрын
I think he already has, it is especially obvious after Eternity. At least for me.
@aleksandra4072
@aleksandra4072 7 жыл бұрын
Mackuh Mew Yes,I am worried to.Even tho Ken improved (not much but still) ,I hope Jepli does something about this,give them better vocal training.
@mendosuhhhh
@mendosuhhhh 7 жыл бұрын
Tamara Barna after eternity??
@silvermoon9355
@silvermoon9355 6 жыл бұрын
Emilly Mendoza The song Eternity by VIXX I believe.
@RoyalMScorpion
@RoyalMScorpion 6 жыл бұрын
Mackuh Mew as a STARLIGHT, i'm worried too 😖😖 i love VIXX so much that i hope nothing bad happens to them ( sorry for bad English)
@macipiink
@macipiink 7 жыл бұрын
listen just cause it sounds 'nice' to you doesn't mean it won't damage their voice permanently in the end.Also stop being mad your favs are here lol this is an unbiased analysis maybe you should think objectively and accept it.
@icesaya
@icesaya 7 жыл бұрын
Why do they always exclde D.O, he actually support A4 consistently and bb4 too
@bhkits99
@bhkits99 6 жыл бұрын
Heen Horengi agree he's slept on
@strongwise1255
@strongwise1255 6 жыл бұрын
ryeowook and yesung too
@noorch7875
@noorch7875 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah they always forget that he is among the top 5 vocalists in kpop
@imdear459
@imdear459 5 жыл бұрын
D.O. used to sing highnotes back then but he said he wasn't into it and he crowned himself as king of runs🤣🤣🤣😀
@wuttatota148
@wuttatota148 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, Kyungsoo has been supporting bb4 since Baby Don't Cry yet they don't include him
@springpeaches9481
@springpeaches9481 7 жыл бұрын
that Kyuhyun B4 was amazing.
@segarasan
@segarasan 7 жыл бұрын
The song is called Masquerade and it was performed on Immortal Songs, if you'd like to see the whole perf! He really knocks it out of the park!
@AuntyStan
@AuntyStan 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that masquerade preformace. But im not a huge fan of his solo releases to date. Almost feel like sm is playing it safe? With the releases, a solo song such as masquerade would be amazing to be released as a single. Just my personal thoughts anyway.
@bobamochi2679
@bobamochi2679 6 жыл бұрын
AuntyStan its not playing safe, ballad is just his type of song. His dream was actually to be a ballad singer, but sm put him in suju instead. Sadly bc ifans think ballad is boring, they often ignore his talent because he doesnt do "high notes" or his songs are "easy" to sing. But when he do other genre like that mosquerade rock performance, he knocked every idols put of the park
@AuntyStan
@AuntyStan 6 жыл бұрын
Boba Mochi thank you for clearing that up, it explains alot
@realist4418
@realist4418 6 жыл бұрын
i mean, he is basically kpop idol groups best vocalist (not counting jung dongha)
@shoumakyo
@shoumakyo 7 жыл бұрын
"VIXX's Leo, despite having *great natural ability*" I can't tell you how much I agree with this. Whoever trained him, if he has ever been trained, is doing a shit job. Leo possesses such a wide natural range that it's mind-boggling, but when he belts it always sounds like he's pushing through something. It's such a fucking waste. He can't keep this up forever.
@Mo-hh8wh
@Mo-hh8wh 6 жыл бұрын
Grace anonymous um, how. They just said that Leo needs a better voice trainer, because straining like that will ruin his voice
@Mo-hh8wh
@Mo-hh8wh 6 жыл бұрын
Grace anonymous yeah, it’s a waste of him to use his voice that way, and if he continues, then his voice will be damaged
@igot7pinkpandaexo-lreveluv945
@igot7pinkpandaexo-lreveluv945 6 жыл бұрын
Grace anonymous he used the word "fuc*ing" because of the strong feeling he has towards the situation where Leo have to strain frequently to the high notes. Because of course it's really a waste if his voice would be ruined just because of improper technique when he could do so much better than that.
@saktiargx
@saktiargx 6 жыл бұрын
Grace anonymous because literally he isn't good enough as a VOCALIST but as a SINGER, well for me, i like his voice a lot
@Emxrys
@Emxrys 7 жыл бұрын
& ppl think SM is a "visual" company when they're this full of great singers
@evelyna4271
@evelyna4271 7 жыл бұрын
i wish bts got proper vocal training,,,their vocals be so much better
@parkjimns
@parkjimns 6 жыл бұрын
lovely jnghsk ^
@artsylittlefag2582
@artsylittlefag2582 6 жыл бұрын
lovely jnghsk the only one in BTS with act noticable "right in your face" improvement is Taehyung
@laureakaashisrana9852
@laureakaashisrana9852 5 жыл бұрын
evelyn uhh v is the only average technique still in bts Followed by jungkook ,jin and last jimin
@GabyBong
@GabyBong 4 жыл бұрын
evelyn uhh I agree, I used to be a big stan of bts so I guess at that time I thought everyone was perfect and now that I listen to other groups, I’ve noticed all the vocalist strain their voices at times and I kinda feel the pain. I wanted to see other ppls opinions on this and videos where they’re like “bts can’t sing, well here” etc and everyone’s like they have the best vocals and big hit is great but all my friends are like worried for them especially jimin cause when he does his high notes they sometimes sound painful.
@xxxxcxxxc6917
@xxxxcxxxc6917 4 жыл бұрын
@@GabyBong You can clearly hear Jimin strain in Fake Love.
@CeeejPri
@CeeejPri 7 жыл бұрын
You can see it in their expression/gestures tho. The strained ones, their expression looks really tense while the supported ones looks relaxed and free
@Helloimjunghyun
@Helloimjunghyun 7 жыл бұрын
CeeejPri123 not necessarily like that If you based the one's straining or supporting by the expressions/gestures, I'm sure you'll assuming Sohyang strained because she often do that kind of really tense expression when she hits extremely high notes
@teddykal9838
@teddykal9838 7 жыл бұрын
Dani Marwan so true we can only judge if someone strains by their vocal production some singers like whitney and so hyang use those head moves to convey emotion so its not neccesarry strain
@Helloimjunghyun
@Helloimjunghyun 7 жыл бұрын
Nayeons and jeongyeons dildo omg I found you in many of Sohyang's vids 😂 Yes, we can't always judge if the vocalist straining or not by their tense expression 😄
@triplesalways4ever
@triplesalways4ever 7 жыл бұрын
the more videos of this kind i see the more i can state SM = technique
@rachelkwan625
@rachelkwan625 6 жыл бұрын
Menyi P Music is a monster of a subject, so I recommend you to go search more about vocal technique. It's not only about having a powerful voice, which is the case of most K Idols from Sm. I'm not saying that all of them don't have it, but most of them really just have a very strong voice.
@springpeaches9481
@springpeaches9481 6 жыл бұрын
Rachel Kwan lol no, actually most of then have a proper technique wich makes them sound powerful.
@cyrinber1209
@cyrinber1209 6 жыл бұрын
Rachel Kwan lmao...kyuhyun and jonghyun have the best proper technique among kpop artist...jongdae and reywook have a good technique as well...and ofc don't forget Luna and Wendy and taeyeon
@cyrinber1209
@cyrinber1209 6 жыл бұрын
Rachel Kwan for example somin and jiwoo from kard have a powerful voices but their technique isn't good at all
@ikanurhasyani
@ikanurhasyani 7 жыл бұрын
Kyuhyun ofc
@theabruun1028
@theabruun1028 7 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to see how many underrated groups have good vocalists. 100%, MYNAME, DGNA, etc. It kinda makes you think how unfair the industry is.
@nenbladeworks2985
@nenbladeworks2985 5 жыл бұрын
Thea Bruun technique wise, exo ia still better but I'll give them props for good vocalists despite being underrated: 1 - chen (exo) (proficent to good) 2 - gunwoo (myname) (proficient) 3 - hyunmin (dgna) (proficient) 4 - d.o (exo) (proficient) 5 - baekhyun (exo) (above average to proficient) 6 - rokhyun (100%) (above average to proficient) 7 - mika (dgna) (above average) 8 - hyukjin (100%) (above average)
@shineevelvet7067
@shineevelvet7067 7 жыл бұрын
(taemint here) Taemin has come a long way. He went from a smol 14-15 year old with little vocals to a freaking improved artist. I agree that SM Vocal trainers do an excellent job with the artists and trainees
@maiamaya381
@maiamaya381 4 жыл бұрын
he was actually tone deaf when he started
@junai5762
@junai5762 7 жыл бұрын
that guy Jung Dongha just slayed my existence. btw, before, I used to think Leo was good as a vocalist, but lately I started to noticed he's actually not THAT good and this just confirmed it. I think he has a nice range (?), but he wasn't... appropiately trained? I don't know very well if it's the same with Ken.
@junai5762
@junai5762 7 жыл бұрын
Believe me, I love his voice. I like everything about it, even when he strains (but that man is going get something damaged if he keeps going like that). I didn't explain myself properly. I was meant to talk only about technique when I said 'a good vocalist'.
@catty_rxch
@catty_rxch 7 жыл бұрын
Leo is a great vocalist, however because of his bad technique, his voice is damaged; it is pretty noticeable. But his singing is great either way.
@ananyasubramani4596
@ananyasubramani4596 7 жыл бұрын
Leo is actually a pretty weak technical vocalist
@gunaymuradova4633
@gunaymuradova4633 7 жыл бұрын
Jun Ai Ken is a better vocalist, technique wise he's much better than Leo
@junai5762
@junai5762 7 жыл бұрын
Günay Muradova thank you, that's what I thought 😅
@PeachyJaemin
@PeachyJaemin 7 жыл бұрын
Sandeul is honestly one of the most talented vocalists in the industry
@Helloimjunghyun
@Helloimjunghyun 7 жыл бұрын
Deerly Luhan yes! Sandeul, Naul, Jung Dong Ha, Park Hyo Shin and Kyuhyun are my favorite technical male singer in K-Pop 😊
@ManduGC
@ManduGC 7 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@MunkeeFWRrng
@MunkeeFWRrng 6 жыл бұрын
It's a shame so many sleep on his voice. The man's hella talented.
@vittorianasc
@vittorianasc 5 жыл бұрын
Peachy Jaemin one of the most talented and underrated :(
@musicslit1919
@musicslit1919 5 жыл бұрын
1. kyuhyun 2. hyoshin 3. sandeul 4. ryewook 5. chen so, yes. Sandeul is one of the most talented, technique wise, vocalists in the industry (from the top 3, i also like his vocal color the most)
@ain3112
@ain3112 7 жыл бұрын
this why oldest group are more talented then new....woohyun and sandeul voices totally make me wanna sleep totally damn good
@teddykal9838
@teddykal9838 7 жыл бұрын
nurulain94 no thats why sm vocalists are the best either it be male or female
@lemonhae-
@lemonhae- 7 жыл бұрын
Time is a motive too ... I'm sorry, but I think in the older groups, in their early days some of them were not as good or "talented" as now (I mean the same singers do not style something " The new ones are better, no. "Come on, someone who's been singing a year would not compare to someone who's sung during ... idk, 10 years). The newer groups do not have that much time (But it's true, some sing throughout their lives, I do not know how to justify those cases) Please, do not underestimate the newer groups ... It's very sad for fans of these, like me :( (I made this by translate of google, if you don't understand, I'm sorry but my english skills aren't really good).
@teddykal9838
@teddykal9838 7 жыл бұрын
T s u k k ι s α u r ι o ه i agree time in the business doesnt make your vocals better.... how much training you have received is important.. this is why wendy just debuted and is better than taeyon which is 10 years in the industry
@lightishredgummi9654
@lightishredgummi9654 7 жыл бұрын
T s u k k ι s α u r ι o ه the newer groups are also coming out in a time when the industry is so much larger and more competitive. It seems like the older groups were more well crafted since the industry was smaller and less stressful. The newer groups are being pumped out to try to keep up with demand and competition. So not only have older groups had years to master things and the younger haven't had that much time, companies are getting greedier and caring less about what they're putting out there.
@nctsgrass
@nctsgrass 6 жыл бұрын
There are new groups with a pretty high potential though. Just give them time and they will impress you just like how Taemin impressed us all. Training can make a difference.
@MrSkinnyJeanz3
@MrSkinnyJeanz3 7 жыл бұрын
That Naul clip knocked me off my bed
@SuperPianogirl123
@SuperPianogirl123 7 жыл бұрын
MrSkinnyJeanz3 Right??
@teddykal9838
@teddykal9838 7 жыл бұрын
MrSkinnyJeanz3 you guys like kpop? ok
@ShiningIcePearls
@ShiningIcePearls 7 жыл бұрын
the first three that showed up with the support are all from sm,, as expected!
@teddykal9838
@teddykal9838 7 жыл бұрын
ohmykpop lol sm has the best vocals in the business in the top 5 kpop singers 4 vocalists are from sm 😂
@mathluver7587
@mathluver7587 6 жыл бұрын
When nayeon licks the pussy be like can u tell me which artists they are? :)
@zelinarmy611
@zelinarmy611 6 жыл бұрын
ohmykpop SM sucks
@springpeaches9481
@springpeaches9481 6 жыл бұрын
ZELINARMY lol you're an army so it doesn't count
@Lucas-or1ic
@Lucas-or1ic 6 жыл бұрын
Math Luver kyuhyun, ryeowook, chen and hwanhee(former sm idol). the another vocalist in the top 5 is sandeul.
@niamhb811
@niamhb811 7 жыл бұрын
lol love how Chen and Woohyun were on both strained ans supported sides
@jesusrivera0509
@jesusrivera0509 7 жыл бұрын
wtf Well that is because their supporte range doesn't go that high
@teddykal9838
@teddykal9838 7 жыл бұрын
wtf that means they are good but inconsistent
@123chaoscontrol
@123chaoscontrol 7 жыл бұрын
chen brings support up to A4...that's actually impressive
@marwaumar1242
@marwaumar1242 7 жыл бұрын
wtf In this video, the only note Chen strained with/on(? 😂) is the B4 note during their rendition of Really I Don't Know on Immortal Songs 2.
@jesusrivera0509
@jesusrivera0509 7 жыл бұрын
Nayeons and jeongyeons dildo ..... no it doesnt mean they're inconsistent, they are both very consistent within their supported range, specially chen, but this range has an end and any note they singe outside their supported range is obviously going to be strained. Of course the bigger your supported range is the better, that is why i.e kyuhyun is a better vocalist than both of them, his supported range goes higher, but also hans an end. the ultimate vocalist is the one who can support every note of his vocal range but that is imposible.
@sammyx6715
@sammyx6715 7 жыл бұрын
I wasn't too surprised with Leo, don't get me wrong I'm a huge Starlight Leo being my bias, but there are times I think his high notes are really forced and it sounds gritty and almost painful. I was surprised about Ken though I definitely wouldn't have guessed that about him.
@cbuz06
@cbuz06 7 жыл бұрын
I knew from the moment I first became a fan of DB5K that if SM can train them and all of them still have their voices to this day, that they are very good at teaching singers to maintain their voices. Taeyeon is also a perfect example. Thats one good thing SM does is train their talent well
@arajung6373
@arajung6373 6 жыл бұрын
I LOVE SANDEUL'S VOISE SO MUCH OMFG
@julis2005
@julis2005 7 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU THANK YOUUUUUU like the difference is so clear, i mean people can like timbres and styles but the fact is that you NEED technique if you actually want to sing for at least 30 years and survive while doing it. Also this shows how every single vocalist can have good and bad moments. THANK YOU x100000
@irumillion
@irumillion 7 жыл бұрын
Sandeul is amazing
@Goodmorningstar430
@Goodmorningstar430 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this great video. I love Chen, Woohyun, Ken, Sandeul, Kyuhyun and obviously Park Hyoshin vocals the best. Lot of the above Kpop idol (support) had experience stain vocals in some performance in their career they have their good and bad days but some of the idol who was used as example for stain vocals are not bad vocalist for example K Will, Leo or Ken. So I hope people understand and don't get upset it's just a video to show the difference I hope people don't cause fan wars and say this idol is better than this idol or make a judgement because of these examples. I just want to point out I'm proud of Woohyun he improved so much from his rookie days, most of his performance shown in this video was back in 2011 a year after his debut he really did improve a lot through the years he have better support now and look at his recent and last year Immortal song performance it's really impressive and give me goosebumps (he scored highest for idol) his really a emotional and a very good singer also his vocals sounds a lot mature now or another example how Taemin was one of the weaker vocalist of Shinee in the earlier days and now he can belt high notes and one of the best vocalist in Shinee so what I'm trying to say same can be said for the rookie group hopefully some of the rookie Idol group listed here might have better support in the future they are new and always room for improvements and we shouldn't look down on them. I hope to see V, Minhyuk (Monsta X) Sunggyu, Yoseop and etc.
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 7 жыл бұрын
Gina Rosa sorry for bursting your bubble. But analysing them as a vocalist, based on vocal technique, K. Will is only above average vocalist which mean still pretty good tho. But Ken & Leo? Ken is only average vocalist, almost on the bottom area compared to the other averages, while Leo is deadass a weak vocalist, among the weakest even for idols that have main/lead vocals as their position.
@elizabethchase5972
@elizabethchase5972 7 жыл бұрын
even though i love taekwoon and taekwoons voice to pieces, i have to agree, his voice is an excellent example of vocal strain. i honestly don't think he was vocally trained properly and is well on his way to permanently damaging his vocal chords if he doesn't learn a different technique to hit the notes he's told to soon. im not a professional, so this is all my opinion but im sure some of you can agree. adding onto that, the amount of high notes he's required to hit are insane, especially considering how unproperly trained his vocals are and i wish jellyfish ent would take note of this soon, it's worrying me. i feel like i repeated a lot of my points and opinions but i think you get the general idea lol
@chiboy3000
@chiboy3000 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed. A lot of male singers are straining their voices trying to reach notes that are not in their normal range, and they do it repeatedly, too.
@aleksandra4072
@aleksandra4072 7 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth Chase i completly agree with you
@rachelchiew206
@rachelchiew206 7 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth Chase his voice has already been damaged :') shangri la shows it
@leehongbincringingismyaest1116
@leehongbincringingismyaest1116 6 жыл бұрын
None of VIXX have been trained properly. :( Their vocals are amazing but dammit Jelpi vocal chords aren't impenetrable you know ;_;
@SuperPianogirl123
@SuperPianogirl123 7 жыл бұрын
The Sandeul clip in the intro gives me so much life. I am so sad that you cut off his G4 though.
@itsnoterika383
@itsnoterika383 7 жыл бұрын
Sm has like the best vocal training. They have many good vocalists (above average) and even have the best dancers but people still label them as a face company.
@user-il9kt2js2j
@user-il9kt2js2j 6 жыл бұрын
itsnotErika coz sm idols r too pretty 😂 sometimes i feel like its a good thing but other times i just fee that people just dont understand them
@itsnoterika383
@itsnoterika383 6 жыл бұрын
18 18 yeah but some people label sm artists as just a face company and no talent. I hope they start realizing how sm is packed with talented artists
@summernight2752
@summernight2752 4 жыл бұрын
Tbh some of them really chosen by visual but I'm glad SM trained them well.
@hihello1505
@hihello1505 7 жыл бұрын
park hyo shin slayed my whole existence.
@gonzalodavidmederosmachado7759
@gonzalodavidmederosmachado7759 6 жыл бұрын
hi hello what is the song?
@infinitelyinspirit11
@infinitelyinspirit11 7 жыл бұрын
Chen's vocals
@twistedtheorist4321
@twistedtheorist4321 7 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Taemin is the only known dancer in there that can support high notes. Thanks!
@rubychen2635
@rubychen2635 6 жыл бұрын
There is also luna from F(x)....Yes, she is a dancer.
@twistedtheorist4321
@twistedtheorist4321 6 жыл бұрын
Ah yes! Luna! She's a great dancer but too bad, she's not known for it. I meant, only us fans know that she's a great dancer.
@badiatulmardliyah2998
@badiatulmardliyah2998 6 жыл бұрын
TwistedTheorist dont forget kim junsu JYJ too ....
@wattudu_wattusei
@wattudu_wattusei 6 жыл бұрын
yunho from tvxq was killed the 'i believe' song on shilla fanmeet..
@wattudu_wattusei
@wattudu_wattusei 6 жыл бұрын
Badiatul Mardliyah junsu is the truly god of voice 👍👍
@jules8062
@jules8062 7 жыл бұрын
Sandeul is really amazing
@vladb8903
@vladb8903 7 жыл бұрын
It makes me sad that some very talented vocalists have not had proper training. VIXX Leo for instance. he has a lot of natural ability and you can hear that in his performance, but he still strains. I would hope that another vocalist or a manager discusses it with him and helps him get a coach who can teach him to do it more properly. I would hate to see his voice damaged
@javlatua
@javlatua 7 жыл бұрын
lee sandeul, vocal KING
@javlatua
@javlatua 7 жыл бұрын
additionally, kim jongdae vocal KING
@kuroneko5044
@kuroneko5044 7 жыл бұрын
Yayy!! I love both so much! VOCAL KINGS
@whateverreally2727
@whateverreally2727 6 жыл бұрын
And Cho Kyuhyun, vocal god
@rawr3122
@rawr3122 6 жыл бұрын
If sandeul is king, not sure what is kyuhyun
@mic-shellcrackson3800
@mic-shellcrackson3800 6 жыл бұрын
LAWR yesss
@maibennben3701
@maibennben3701 7 жыл бұрын
When u realise most of the supported demonstations are from SM artists, and people still say they're all about visuals!!! I stan the right company❤️👑
@mylinpark1764
@mylinpark1764 6 жыл бұрын
Sm is shitty in all other aspects but their vocal training is on point. Their vocalists are so well trained. Baekhyun’s and Chen’s notes are so clean and effortless. Bighit should seriously train their artists better. I love the boys. No denial of their talent. But they lack technique. For the sake of their health, i really wish Bighit would train them better. This isn’t comparison ,just an opinion. I’m an Army and I hope no one takes offence.
@renebartley1540
@renebartley1540 6 жыл бұрын
I am an Army and I take NO offense.
@fakesmilesandlaughs5118
@fakesmilesandlaughs5118 6 жыл бұрын
Dunno, NCT Taeyong and Mark write all their own stuff and they're rapping is really good, but imo I think they're the only ones. SM just needs to sort out their ethical management and then they'll be better haha.
@seabreezer
@seabreezer 6 жыл бұрын
You know there is more to bighit then just bts...
@MrBezazel
@MrBezazel 5 жыл бұрын
FakeSmilesandLaughs It wasn't really until Taeyong and Mark came around that SM gave liberty for artists to perform their own rap-based songs though. Prior to that, I don't remember SM giving that kind of freedom to any other rap-focused artists. I think SM is really strict when it comes to change and freedom for their artists, but I think they're opening it up a bit more than they used to, which is a good thing. I do agree that I wish that BigHit would allow them to have proper vocal coaches because at this point they can't give the excuse that they don't have enough money...they can probably get the best vocal coaches around the world for each of them. I'm most worried for Jimin because they're trying to make him sing notes that are high, but not properly which can really damage his voice in the long run and BigHit I'm tryin to be a 60 year old ARMY still listening to them sing, you know what I mean? :>
@nenbladeworks2985
@nenbladeworks2985 5 жыл бұрын
Annefantasy2003 no!, leehyun is ranked as a proficient vocalist and surprisingly, hes technicaly better than all shinee vocalists, all btob vocalists, all tvxq vocalists, and all exo vocalists except for chen. Bts should definitely learn from their sunbae so they can at least how to sing with proper dynamics and technique before its too late (especially for jimin).
@user-vm2ep5mt8e
@user-vm2ep5mt8e 6 жыл бұрын
Ryeowook isn't given enough recognition. So sad he's been in this industry for so long and he's by far one of the best if not the best
@negimagics
@negimagics 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to lie but Sandeul got me shook at the beginning.
@JuviaLoxar0305
@JuviaLoxar0305 7 жыл бұрын
sm vocals are no joke😍
@hanniefrei
@hanniefrei 7 жыл бұрын
sandeul, eunkwang and kyuhyun are my top vocalists. their range, control and technique clearly suggests than aside.from being born with talent they also had yhe proper training 😍
@dxdxdkino1583
@dxdxdkino1583 2 жыл бұрын
Taemin used to be called a tone deaf singer and he lacked technique and he screamed most of the time during their debut times. I'm so happy he never gave up and worked really hard. Now he's a respected artist
@teukuichsan3954
@teukuichsan3954 7 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for that Kyuhyun's B4 :). Was waiting for D.O's Bb4s too, but i understand you couldn't fit all singers here. Nice vid
@ania0the0amazing
@ania0the0amazing 7 жыл бұрын
leo is really damaging his voice. :(
@user-nd1rk8rr1b
@user-nd1rk8rr1b 6 жыл бұрын
Steve they are improved a lot
@maureencarbonell5114
@maureencarbonell5114 6 жыл бұрын
his voice really improved after doing musicals so he's better now compared to the past
@yeniferm.jopiar.8913
@yeniferm.jopiar.8913 6 жыл бұрын
I love listening to Kyuhyun. He makes hitting high notes look so effortless and his voice is so calm.
@BabyLionYibo
@BabyLionYibo 7 жыл бұрын
Kyuhyun, Park Hyo Shin and Sandeul are VOCAL KINGS
@Helloimjunghyun
@Helloimjunghyun 7 жыл бұрын
It's weird if you exclude Naul, Jung Dong Ha and Park Hyo Shin because they're truly master of vocal in kpop, so I'm glad you did include them 😊
@kyra3479
@kyra3479 7 жыл бұрын
Inseong does strain his voice sometimes but for the most part he's such an amazing vocalist and he can hit really good notes. He has great power and range
@Heribbons
@Heribbons 7 жыл бұрын
Kyra Dayson yes i agree
@lailafie8259
@lailafie8259 6 жыл бұрын
Kyra Dayson I agree. I Think it's the same with Jungkook from BTS.
@seabreezer
@seabreezer 6 жыл бұрын
Lachim Park I don’t agree jungkook just sounds nice
@jazzzg4021
@jazzzg4021 7 жыл бұрын
Why didn't u put d.o I was excited to see him :"( :"( cause I want people to know he can support as high as Bb4
@resurgingflame
@resurgingflame 7 жыл бұрын
Jazzz G yeah I literally feel the same as you too😩 He's currently the only member of EXO who can consistently supports Bb4. Both Chen & Baekhyun stop directly at A4.
@danikasan7308
@danikasan7308 7 жыл бұрын
his voice is one of the most stable and supported ones in the kpop industry imo
@rainbowcake1818
@rainbowcake1818 7 жыл бұрын
T.O.P kpopvocalanalysis.net/2016/12/24/exos-vocal-analysis-d-o-rewritten/ scroll down a bit you'll see the list
@gksltmgft3830
@gksltmgft3830 7 жыл бұрын
a dancer being good examples in vocalists compilation video :-))) it's shinee thing sweeheart ㅠㅠ so proud im gonna cry
@Whimsicaltalesx
@Whimsicaltalesx 7 жыл бұрын
Let's fly B1A4. Sandeul is so good. Not just an idol but a real singer.
@iamadreamer3149
@iamadreamer3149 7 жыл бұрын
Please don't tell me I'm the only one who likes Park Hyoshin.
@macipiink
@macipiink 7 жыл бұрын
The colour of the heart is black nope lol his voice is pure butter
@wonsikbrah
@wonsikbrah 7 жыл бұрын
Hongbin really likes Park Hyoshin too, so don't feel alone lol
@user-rr9xm5yq4z
@user-rr9xm5yq4z 7 жыл бұрын
No you're not
@shoumakyo
@shoumakyo 7 жыл бұрын
He killed me every time he appeared in this video
@monkebrainiac
@monkebrainiac 7 жыл бұрын
wonsikbrah i was just about to say that lol
@aslindehecate
@aslindehecate 7 жыл бұрын
straining is scary 😭 Please protect your voices, beautiful people
@CassandraDidoMedea
@CassandraDidoMedea 7 жыл бұрын
wow Taemin! sounds so good Kyuhyun too killing it 👌
@chloebodnarick8418
@chloebodnarick8418 6 жыл бұрын
My bois Sandeul and Chen are SLAYING
@chloebodnarick8418
@chloebodnarick8418 6 жыл бұрын
I stan VOCAL KINGS
@averagejoereads7271
@averagejoereads7271 7 жыл бұрын
Pentagon's main vocalists Hui and Jinho do most of the belting...I'd like to see them in this as they do some really high notes
@haphuongdoan8505
@haphuongdoan8505 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so fucking proud of Taemin i'm in tears gosh
@loststars6533
@loststars6533 7 жыл бұрын
Knowing nothing about vocal techniques or the "science" behind singing, I found this video very interesting. I had heard the terms "strain" and "support" before, but never fully understood what they meant in relation to singing, so thanks to EXIDek! And I feel like I'll (kinda) be able to tell the difference the next time I hear one of my faves ^^ I would like to note that I personally like the sound of a strained voice as much as a supported voice - they each have their own charms to me. However, if it puts the vocalist's voice at risk, I'd rather they stick with a supported voice more often then not :/
@proleol
@proleol 7 жыл бұрын
is no one worried about the amount of rookies in this list? they're only just starting their careers, it'll break my heart if they ruin their voices now.
@sapodetenis
@sapodetenis 7 жыл бұрын
Chen's voice on point tho
@nanyprincesa
@nanyprincesa 6 жыл бұрын
I've always thought that if BTS' vocal line got a better vocal training they would be amazing singers. And please, don't get me wrong, I love BTS, but yeah, I think they need better training, which should be done now that they have all the means to.
@notmyname3556
@notmyname3556 6 жыл бұрын
The thing is that, I always seeing commen that they actually didnt improved at all since debut days. By some people that I can guarantee they know what theyre saying. And thats upsetting to me bcos BH just doesnt fix that.
@sunshinecherries
@sunshinecherries 6 жыл бұрын
and it's so sad - I feel so bad for them that big hit pushes them to sing in a destructive manner. At this rate, their voices would not last and they will end up with permanent damage. keep in mind though that at this point, it's hard for them to re-learn and employ better technique. They've been singing like this for so long now that it's become a habit that's difficult to reverse. And as mentioned big hit doesn't fucking care so I'm not getting my hopes up :(
@me10love1
@me10love1 5 жыл бұрын
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@Becuaseofme
@Becuaseofme 3 жыл бұрын
Actually rn i think they are getting vocal lessons jimin improved a fucking lot(he sounds way better better live now but still dosent support much) Jungkook is less breathy V is i dont know sounds really good way better actually for Jin i think hes good but he should change his technique he is forcing his voice too much
@igotbangtaninyourareawithr3074
@igotbangtaninyourareawithr3074 7 жыл бұрын
KYUHYUN IS SO PERFECT, SM VOCALIST SLAYS AS ALWAYS!
@listentoexo8108
@listentoexo8108 7 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this insightful video. we want our idols to take care of their proper vocal technique so that they dont end up in permanent vocal damage.
@justsmile7782
@justsmile7782 7 жыл бұрын
Before video : I see Knk I click After video : *prays intensely for knk
@gratianindyaratri693
@gratianindyaratri693 7 жыл бұрын
wow no one is talking about eunkwang? i even thought he wasn't included in the video. he seriously needs more appreciation 😢
@rubychen2635
@rubychen2635 6 жыл бұрын
He is in it....
@mey6303
@mey6303 6 жыл бұрын
Gratia Nindyaratri I know. 😢
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