I see the market got you sufficiently annoyed to finally figure it out. Nice.

How to get 100% market coverage: Build a medieval Amazon store. 😂

Thanks for your content. Love how you actually test things and not just guess. Would love to see two things tested: 1. What is the maximum size of veggie garden and orchard. At some point it must get too big for the family to be able to harvest it. What is the optimum here? 2. Fertilization... How well does it work, how many sheep do you need, how can you get the sheep to spread to all the fields?... Also, I encountered a bug when building the fences, where workers deliver a plank, but when a worker +ox delivers a plank, it takes the planks away. Sometimes this prevents the fence to be built at all and keeps going forever.

A good point you made in another video applies here too - ensure that the market supply storage only keeps the stuff that is sold on the market. To avoid your warehouse workers going everywhere and hauling all other stuff - which in turn hurts the market supply. Components, construction stuff etc should have its own storehouse! Similar with granaries - making sure that market granary only has final products, instead of workers running aaaaall the way to the farms to pick up wheat for god knows what reason.

this is the only channel so far that ACTUALLY tests stuff and tells precise things, so far i was only finding people guessing or just repeating what others were talking about. Keep up the nice work! thanks

I’ve been spreading my stalls out and rebuilding them, as I thought they had an area of influence! Good to finally realise I was doing it all wrong. I hope that the game gets better with explaining such information as I feel I need to start again (again) as I kept loosing lots of resources on the floor after you demolish a stall. 😢 Thanks.

Very useful information to have. It's refreshing to actually get information from someone who's taken the time to understand the system. It gets frustrating watching people who seem to make no effort to learn the systems of the game and then fail to understand why they're having problems, assuming that the game is bugged or flawed because they can't master the game blindfolded. Or worse, complain that the game isn't optimizing itself to their desires, like the game should, for some reason, do all the work for the player. I think the biggest takeaway here for me is to work on having your storage workers run the stalls instead of the goods producers. Most videos I've seen treat the storehouse and granary like an afterthought, something you avoid putting families into because it doesn't produce anything. Staffing them makes your market far more efficient, which makes providing goods more efficient and your laborers more efficient because it allows your entire industry to largely focus on their specialty, minimizing overall transportation downtime.

I was only able to get on the game for about 5 hours since I had a busy family weekend so far, as soon as I got to 30 pop I was having issues with the marketplace and was itching to ask/do some research tonight. As soon as I load up KZfaq I see your vid as recommended. Gotta love the algorithm. As many have said before, I really appreciate you taking your time and putting mad work in to your vids and researching everything. I'm definitely going to show some love on your patreon memberships and sub to your other channels to show some appreciation for your commitment to all of your guides.

Wish we could control which buildings/families are allowed to own stalls, I don't want my hunter to own a stall. The meat needs to go to my granary and then the market. Goes for a lot of production cycles

One other thing to note, if you are importing food, make sure your trading post is also right next to marketplace and granary. You’ll have hundreds of food but they won’t be able to stock it because it’s stuck far away in the trading post.

Amazing guide! I was stuck on this exact problem since games released, trying many different setups and ultimately leading to frustration. This was a quick and clear explanation. You just earned yourself another sub!

Favorite YT'er, does everything spot on and never fakes interest in any game to get a couple of views or likes

Thanks for figuring it out and sharing. It's way clearer to me now. I initially had multiple market locations around town and now I understand why it wasn't working well.

Seems like such a silly system, explains why no matter what even when the market has plenty of different food I still get homes saying there is none. I also noticed that some roads are bugged, they will still have buildings saying "connected to road network" but stuff won't get delivered, people won't find a path to market even when there is one. Going over the same roads twice a few times with new roads seem to fix it for me.

Incredible video. Every player who picks up Manor Lords should watch this. I have 70+ hours in the game and I just learned a ton.

A well put together explanation! On the other hand "you dont like distance managing in city builders, play anno games" got it :)) Jokes aside i hope this game turns out well in the end

Even with this video I still could not get 100%. So I made some tests and think I got the reason. I think you explained this now that I think about it but I'll explain here. Remember that you may need multiple barracks of each type in the market. As each stall gets only 50 if you have 50 families and want to fullfill 2 kinds of food, you will need space for 100 itens or 2 stalls only for food. plus 2 barracks only for clothes if needed 2 types and 1 barracks only for fuel. But a point that gave me problems if you have works in the deposit and there you have fuel and clothes, the families working there not necessarly gonna sell fuel and clothes, they may sell more clothes than fuel for example. So in the next playthrough I will try to make separated deposits only for clothes and only for fuel to see if it works

Thank you! lol this makes so much sense for the issue i'm having. It's insane how freaking simple this is but i couldn't figure it out.

I'm at almost 300 pop right now, and markets have been my main headache! I was putting them down all over town with none of them close to any storage or granary. Thanks for saving me from further headache!

I have struggles playing this games manorlord, bannerlord etc; yet i see hope watching a content lord creator guide me. i've never seen a content creator soo much love for medieval dream game that analysis the game mechanics for us to rule, im looking forward to watching more of you're guides sometime in future dream medieval games. I will always watch you're guides like you'r a Curia regis.

I find demolishing empty marketplace stalls dramatically helps. The problem I noticed is that I'd have a vast surplus of materials, like say firewood, but not all plots would be supplied. This is because I frequently toggle families onto and off of gathering buildings as those materials are needed. Each time they're added to a building a new stall will be set up and linked to the gathering building. Then when the family is rotated off the building, the stall will remain linked to the gathering building which has no inventory to pull from. My marketplace would fill up with empty stalls over time. There's an 'abandoned stall' mechanism in the game but it doesn't correct for this issue. After going through and demolishing all stalls with empty or single material of supplies, my logistics workers were able to establish stalls linked to the stockhouse/granary inventories and keep inventories maintained. It also helped with overall town efficiency because unassigned families weren't wasting time often walking back to the marketplace to construct useless stalls while building projects would idle.

I think they should just make the families shop at the market and pickup what they need themselves, this could also add some cool dynamic demand for food.

I just try to build based on historical townplans, from one of the advisors of the game, and it worked out quite well so far. I build a german "egg village" or "Rundling" with an oval space in the middle and all houses plottet around it, short ways really help to spread good evenly around.

Thanks for this! I think I built too many houses without understanding that each house needs fuel and not only construction. Great stuff

Meat, Berries, Bread, Eggs, Veggies, Honey, Apples in this order then work out what each Tier uses first and so on you will see the pattern.

Finally some good and working advice, all I managed to find was to build markets around town but still had issues, building them like this is supplying everyone very well

The logistics in this game are insane. I really like Frostpunk and now I love this game even more because there is no such problem)

And that's how malls / Wallmarts / IKEA etc. all started ;) Some medieval manor lord got annoyed by inefficiency, calculated things and came up with the above setup. No more cosy sleepy villages with curved roads. Only right angles, square blocks, straight streets. 🙃😂

Hey man, nice video. Question: how do I control the stall-owning families? If i see someone open a stall, it's not clear to me how to change what family goes where.

Thank you so much. I just started the game and was wondering what was going on. Enjoying this very much.

Good tips. The only downside to think of would be a lightning strike or other fire.. I just lost a storehouse that was completely full that way

woppaaaaaaaaa and after seeing how many people asking you this within like the first 30 min of the stream yesterday i kinda expected you would make a seperate vid

Yeah ive this issue now in my game, thats what happens when you follow his grandma guide when he tells you to place them next to the berries and hunting. That being said you do, do a good job and very informative guides 👏

Great video. Im learning so much from your channel. Greatly appreciated

Hi Strat, so glad you picked this game up and gave it the Bannerlords analytics treatment... I would love if you reviewed all the soldiers and broke down strengths and weaknesses. Not reached large battles yet and your views would be greatly appreciated. 🍻

Thanks for the easy to understand explanation of how the market ties in to the granary and storehouse.

How do I “make sure the Storage workers run all the stalls”? My issue is that all the gathering stations open up their own stalls and I end up with a ton of extra stalls with basically no goods in them. And even if I delete them they just rebuild them so I end up with a bunch of duplicate empty stalls.

Thank you for your informative content about manor lords! I would love to see more crusader kings 3 content from your channel.

Best Manor Lord content out there. Keep it up

I've just started this new map and built market slots next to granary(which is placed next to the hunters') but the stubborn workers keep on placing the food stall next to the firewood stall even though this one is on the other side of the city and the market place closest to them is empty... I deleted it , they built it in same place. Demolished it again after changing the family working in the granary, they proceed to build it in the furthest market again :( LE: in case this happens EVEN stalls can be moved to another location. Awesome!

they should allow to overcap the stalls a little bit, maybe like 1.5x times the supply, or just allow us to set the amount we want

There needs to be an updated version of this for high population cities. Things break down when plots # passes 50

Thought I saw somewhere that each Marketplace cover a certain radius of area, and burgage plots within that radius will receive the supplies (food/clothes/fuel), and from your view, looks like that is not true? How about when my town is getting big like 60+ families? I've been building my towns with a big central markplace, and that is not working well as my towns grow, my storage/granary are usually just a block or 2 from my marketplace, but burgage plots outside certain radius/distance would always not getting supplies distributed. I then build some smaller marketplaces which I call "7-eleven" closer to those not getting supplies. They didn't helps since stalls only gets built in my central big marketplace, none in the new 7-eleven. Then I started to demolish the big central marketplace & rebuild them in smaller size, so now the 7-eleven gets filled up with new stalls, and then other stalls are built back in my central marketplace (which are now smaller). I also started building extra storehouse/granary next to the the 7-elevens which only accept firewood/clothing items, and food. Also this allow me to assign more ppl to work in store/granary to setup more stalls. Think they are helping a bit now, not perfect yet, but will continue to observe. But if supply distribution has nothing to do with distance/radius from the marketplace, guess I'm making it too complicated?

Most annoying is when I make a small village next to my village, they run a marketstall in the old village and not the new. Although the grannery and storehouse are exactly next to the marketplace. So I have to move stalls contantly to the right position.

Fantastic guide, thank you! Have you considered doing a video on optimal town layout, and how you'd stage its development? I followed this guide re. marketplaces being right next to warehouses and granaries, but made the mistake of putting my trading post on another side of the granaries and warehouses not realising it couldn't be relocated (as industry buildings can be). I also had a little trouble with placing industries close enough to the warehouses as I expanded the number of buildings of a given type, and when expanding to additional industries due to oversaturation of the good I was exporting.

There is always a flaw in city building games for me, that comes down to logistics in most cases, that makes me want to stop playing them. While your explanation helped me with this game, this market simulation seems unnecessarily fiddly and restrained.

Oh for the love of God! Been playing around with it for a while today and I still can't seem to make any sense of it. My firewood-choppers keep opening new firewood stalls and leaving them unstocked even though i have a fully functioning firewood stall and only about 10-12 burgage plots. Seems that no matter who I set to manage the firewood-chopping-place they decide that they definitely need to open a new stall and then just sit around all day and do nothing at all. Do you have any tips for that?

You’re a weapon! Keep up the awesome work mate 🇳🇿

This video helped me a lot, the market is insane. However, I think the most useful topic was not covered: workers opening stalls. The efficiency of most buildings sharply falls when they have to keep a stall. The problem is that they have to sell what their houses produce, rather than granary workers. I'm yet to confirm it, but after I switched people around to have my woodcutters/miners/traders etc, living in house that don't make foodstuffs, my buildings are producing fine again and the workers are not opening stalls (to leave them empty forever) anymore.

Ok. Actually helpfull. My most struggle with a firewood.

This is exactly what I needed. Well done.

Great video. I'm going to have to test this out now to see if it will help settle my supply issues. Thanks.

I fixed my market coverage issues for food and other items by adding a ton more granary workers. For my big town I think I have some 30-40 or more granary workers and maybe 20 on storage.

Use the "Limit Work Area" feature on your storehouse and granary on your market and inly store what your Stalls require.

Thanks for the analysis. Makes sense. Now, my personal battle will be to find the balance between aesthetics and efficiency.

Duplex thing. Just to note early in the video you refer to plots or burgages on basis of supply, but then clarified later that storage cap in stalls is families not plots. Had to chk date on this video, the 3hr AMA was anti duplex, but that was April 26, 1 day before this. Now Im bk to dplx hsg again thx to thiis.

I love this game because it gets progressively harder, not easier the more advanced you are. I tried to build an inudstrial trade town and everything was going great until I over expanded and my iron processing couldn’t get me enough income to import food. Slowly… I failed but it was awesome.

This saves me a lot of trouble. Thank you so much! Subbed!

I did the storage thing you advised before... It didn't work, but some how placing a granary on the opposite side of the town did...

Keep going with the guides they are super good and easy to acctually understand and thats very rare these days.

Very good information, thanks. I'm nearing 100 families, and was very confused about how markets worked, and having trouble getting proper coverage.

Thanks, really useful info. What's your opinion on duplexes? Are they worth it in the long run?

This will hopefully help me out, I'm stuck with a Tier 2 house complaining they can't get firewood when I have tons, but my stores are spread out and I'd tried making another market to make it easier? I might have to try Game 3, there's definitely plenty to learn about this game ^^;

You can also have several unfinished houses far away so a market would have more goods then people in the town

Strat you are doing great job. I watch your videos since few years. I am now on manor lords group on Facebook. A bunch of people are asking for tips. Every time I give link them to your channel 🥰

Thanks dude, this helped clarify how markets/item transports work! I was kinda confused after a few hours. If I had some small criticism it would be that your voice is a bit loud and boomy in this video in a way I haven't noticed in others. (I've been watching you since I found your Bannerlord videos a couple years ago!) If you have a compressor on maybe turn it down a bit, it can reduce listening fatigue :)

Yeah my storage and granary are right beside the marketplace and I still have demand issues. My town isn't even that big. I added dedicated stable workers, to help move things around. No avail. I did find creating smaller markets close to housing pockets and moving stalls from the main market to these does help a little bit, but it doesn't solve the issue. The game needs to reimplement the supply system by overstocking stalls and/or houses.

Thank you!! Very helpful.... here I thought making the market close to the homes was going to help, but I was still having problems!

So the stalls doesn't have area of effect like any other game... now this is a game changer

I have this weird bottlenecc which made the unassigned families took their dang sweet ahh time to get the ox(es) to start dragging timber for construction. I've plenty of timbers lying around and the other materials for the construction is already filled in.This happens with any type of building.

The problem is, however, that a marketplace directly across the street won't do you any good; you'll need some distributed throughout the city so that every house has access to the market. That's how I understood it. Because otherwise the walking distances to the market are too long for the inhabitants

My market is right next to my storage buildings and I have the right amount of supplies but still have issues keeping the further homes happy

I would further restrict those store houses and grannery to only take the goods they are actually selling. No need to store intermediary products or weapons in it. These should be handled by an own storehouse, probably next to the trading house or some other production buildings. Btw, I tested in a fresh game by buildng one house far off (the first one actually) and then building 4 houses next to the market to provide 5 families with homes. Even though the first house was connected to the road network, it didn't receive any goods from the market. I had the game on fast-forward for a couple of month and the first house didn't receive any goods whatsoever. As such, there has to be some kind of distance limitation in this game where houses aren't provided with goods further. For water however, that house received water even though the well was basically in the town next to the other houses.

okay... now the the same with a village of 250+ people... that's where the issue for most players starts... no matter what I do, what kind of markets I try (big, small, centralized, distributed), how many warehouses I build etc... many houses (even those right next to the market) fail to get resources once I start to upgrade to lvl2, some even fail to get 1 type of food, despite having 3 kinds of food in my stock

Great guide, explained it perfectly, and went directly to the point.

as always: concise and helpful. thanks

The tip about limiting the number of stalls is useful. However, after a lot of testing, I still can't achieve 100% coverage all the time. Maybe only 90-95% on average. I think it has been designed this way on purpose. A simple fix would be to allow the stalls to fill up to capacity, to provide a buffer during higher demand.

OMG thank you! As much as I love this game the help section could use a little love lol

Hei, I had a set up close to yours with one large storehouse and one granary, but I still found myself with low food and firewood. Somebody on KZfaq recommended two different locations with market and storehouse/granary. I'm trying that solution right now to see if it works. Most of my supplies are near the storing place

Came to your channel through Reggie. Stayed for your tutorials!

You need enough Market Stalls to supply everyone also. You could have 1k forewood, and only enough stalls to supply like 20.

Brilliant! Thank you.

Thanks…this was pissing me off to no end for the last hour or so.

The marketplace should hold more stock though, which it does not.. There is enough storage in each stall for 50 resource but it never gets that full

I was splitting stalls up to try to “reach” the other houses. I guess my people were just having to travel too far. Awesome guide

I'd love to see short video of the pro-s and con-s of the duplex burgage plots. When are they useful and when are they doing more damage than helping?

Would love to hear your ideal starting region. Any specific region you like? specific rich deposits to start with? Great vids on a great game, looking forward to so much more from this dev :)

Even with this set up, with the storehouse and granary full of workers with stalls, I still find that the market stalls do not replenish quickly enough. Market is bugged.

I would really like it if buildings with a production would tell me their rate of production. For example, if a burgage plot is producing eggs, how many eggs is it producing? is it 2 units per month? Is it 3 units per month? I don't know.

Amazing. I finally understood why i always thought the whole system is bugged.

you only need one market space thats big enough for a lot of stalls. If you have multiple markets things will be split between them and you may not get the % you need.

Heý Strat, Thanks for another great video. Just to clarify: I can allocate who works at the granary and storehouse by assigning via the home, but how do I ensure those workers are also working market stalls?

The problem I have run into with every playthrough is that the number of stalls required. In order to keep up with the number of marketplace workers only being manned by the storehouse or the granary you end up having to build a redundant amount of storehouses. Because there are only 4 worker slots in a large storehouse. Maybe I am missing something but this is the issue I always run into. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks for the video, I understand now that placing marketplace next to houses doesn't really makes sense even tho its quite intuitive lol.

Thanks for the video - have you found any way to force a stall of a particular type? In my most recent playthrough I bricked out because all 3 families I could assign to my storehouse insisted on making firewood stalls, so I had no way of distributing clothes. Even when I demolished them, they just rebuilt more firewood stalls, whilst all my plots went to 0 clothing provision.

That's helpful, I was doing it wrong and eventually my village would crumble. However I tried this once and the houses that ended up far away also struggled for supplies I imagine for the same reason the travel time from house to market. So what then?

Thank you Strat Game well, wouldn't it make sense if all these buildings such as the marketplace, trade post , store house and granary were close to each other on the King's Road?Imported goods are immediately taken to warehouses. Goods taken to warehouses are quickly delivered to the market.

I had a large, expanded marketplace area with lots of stalls in it, but also houses in the outskirts left completely without clothing or food and complaining showing the sign. Though there are warehouses and a granary adjacent to the market, the unsupplied houses were persistent in their complaints. Suddenly, on rainy day, a lightning struck and set on fire the bigger half of my market expansion. Some of the stalls burnt and I had to demolish that part of the market zone, which effectively halved the total number of stalls in the city. The rain stopped, the empty plaza is still burning, but the houses in the outskirts are already fully supplied! God himself streamlined the city's logistics :) Yes, the lightning struck right in front of the church.

Thank you so much. I was struggling and trying to figure out why I had over 1k vegetables yet still had food issues. Thinking it was like banished and market had range, and apparently they dont. Already went from 70% food to 100%.

Thank you for this helpful information! I was having a lot of trouble with unsupplied buildings and could not figure out on my own what was going wrong. Edit: Followed your guide to the T but still got unsupplied level 3 houses once my population reached 1000. Seems like level 3 burgage plots are bugged atm. All other houses are supplied and perfectly fine. Only my level 3 houses in the core of my town, which should be sufficiently supplied, because I have a surplus of 3k apples, 1,2k veggies and 800+ eggs along with hundreds of berries. But those level 3 houses got supplied sufficiently until my population reached 1000+. Now I consistently get messages of disapproval from level 3 houses having no food at all, despite three full market spaces right in front of them, supplied by three storehouses and 3 granaries each, all fully staffed, every staff member running a stall. Game is just bugged. I checked my market stall workers, and they stand around in idle pose, "waiting". While the granaries overflow with food. Markets need to be fixed, there's no guide that can work around them being bugged.