That’s great to know, Thanks!

What does this plug in do and what relevance is it to this process? Also where under Tools did you mean? Thanks.

@@nicolasjchaanine In the video he talks about purchasing, installing and configuring the third party TXL 20 Timecode plugin to generate SMPTE Timecode that is then routed via a virtual MIDI connection from Dorico to Cubase in order to sync up the playback of both programs. Rather than purchasing the TXL 20 plugin, since Cubase Pro comes with its own SMPTE Timecode plugin as part of that product, then if we can somehow get Dorico to "see" the Cubase SMPTE VS3 plugin then why pay money for a third party (TXL 20) plugin that provides the same functionality? The challenge is that the Cubase SMPTE Timecode plugin is NOT installed into the regular VST3 folder that third party VST3 plugins are supposed to get installed to and where Dorico will search. Instead, it is "buried" in the Cubase Program Files folder hierarchy, at least in the Windows version because it is part of the Cubase "Factory" set of VST3 plugins. I found that by copying the "Cubase Plugin Set.vst3" folder into the correct location for Dorico's its built-in VST3 "Factory" plugins, once you restart Dorico, the Cubase SMPTE Timecode plugin then becomes available to Dorico to insert in place of the TXL 20 plugin as described in the video, so that it can send SMPTE Timecode to the virtual MIDI connection and then on to Cubase. In Dorico, you won't see a "Tools" category under FX Plugins until you copy the Cubase folder mentioned and then restart Dorico. Once you copy this "Cubase Plugin Set.vst3" folder over to Dorico, you will also see a lot of other VST3 plugins show up in Dorico that would not be otherwise available. These are the rest of the Cubase "Factory" VST3 plugins that come as part of Cubase Pro.

@@rawl747 Hi, Thank you very much for that! What virtual MIDI connection do you use? CHEERS MAN!

@@konradhoroszko255 loopMIDI By Tobias Erichsen

Thanks! I was also searching for info on getting these 2 to work well together. Ultimately, all I needed was the TXL plugin. If you’re on Windows, perhaps loopMIDI from Tobias Erichsen would be the ticket for setting up a virtual MIDI port on Windows. Thanks for your comment and best of luck :)

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I can relate :). One of these days, I hope Steinberg builds this kind of integration into both products. Until then, this works really well!

You are most welcome, thanks for watching!

Thanks for posting - I’m glad the channel is helpful! Unfortunately, Dorico doesn’t really send out its MIDI in any format that other DAWs can use… at least not in real time. You can export MIDI, of course, but what I’m demonstrating in this video is trying to approximate a real time workflow. Using this TXL plug-in is as close as I’ve been able to find real time playback and Dorico. So, I don’t think it’s possible yet to do what you’re trying to do… unfortunately.

MIDI trigger regions was a great addition to Dorico 5! I love using it with any orchestral instrumentation (or traditional instruments) that have a natural home in notation. However, Cubase still seems like the natural home for textural 'instruments' like synths and things like Straylight or FM Lab.

Glad you got working with Studio One :)

Every time there’s an update, I look very carefully to see if there’s anything about this kind of feature. I know there are a lot of composers out there who would love to see this kind of integration between Cubase and Dorico :)

Yes, I had to buy a plug-in for about $30.

I haven’t found an effective way to go out of Cubase into Dorico. but, I also haven’t looked into it a lot… mainly because I prefer to do my writing and Dorico. Unless there are some recent updates that I’m not aware of, Dorico has limited MIDI inputs for timecode and syncing. But, I’m not 100% sure and I would certainly encourage checking it out because they have a very active development team that’s updating the software all the time :-)

Yes, it is. I'm using loopback (by rogue ameoba) to route audio on my mac. You can create multiple 'busses' in loopback and achieve this stemming...

I totally agree! I’m definitely holding out hope that Steinberg will unite the two, one day :-) I’ll offer an interesting option for notating against audio… export an audio-only video file from Cubase and bring that into Dorico, as if I’m scoring to film. Then, I can write notation without any latency problems.

@@musicchefpro I've actually considered that as a way of transcribing music - literally convert music to a "video" file as a way to bring it in for playback, but I haven't tried this yet. I'll have to give it a go!

Yeah! That would be a great way to transcribe, too.

Thanks for your question - Dorico does keep my bases covered most of the time. But some instruments don’t really make sense to notate such as synthesizers or phrase-based instruments. In that case, it can be nice to use Dorico in combination with a DAW. But, there are so many great workflows at this point, too. I love living in the era of such advanced music technology :-)

That’s a great question! I’m not sure, but I think this will work :-) when you set accelerando in Dorico then you must also choose a “final tempo %” in the properties panel. Since this creates an actual tempo change, it should be transmitted through the MIDI timecode…

This would be possible, but quite a different setup than what I'm doing in this video. I think setting it up that way could be really cumbersome... but possible.

Thanks for watching! I am using Cubase 12 Pro. Do you have the TXL MIDI device setup in Dorico already?

Thanks for posting! When you need to hit the monitor button, that would usually be the case if you’re playing a live instrument. But, do you still need to hit the monitor button if you’re playing back recorded audio/MIDIfrom Cubase?

Thanks for the quick response. What I mean is when I activate Dorico both cursors sync, and even if the monitor button is on or off, I have to toggle the button off to on a couple of times and only then I get audio from the DAW. However, there is no movement of Dorico's vertical audio signal bar which seems to indicate Dorico's audio is not being loop back through Cubase. If I leave the monitors on, without toggling the button, on both the audio and instrument tracks no sound emanates from the DAW.

Thanks for your comment! I’m not familiar with the SMPTE generator plug-in in this context. I’m not sure it would achieve a similar result. if you’re on Windows, I would suggest loopMIDI as a reliable, virtual MIDI port. I hope that helps :)

The main advantages for me in having Dorico pro is the chord symbol generating feature (a big deal for me), and a broader set of default instruments that come with the package.

Here’s a link to a comparison, chart for features: www.steinberg.net/dorico/compare-editions/

Thanks for watching! I don’t think there’s a way to edit instruments between Dorico and Cubase, unfortunately…. This set up really only enable you to play back the two in sync. But only notes in Dorico will be played by Dorico and only notes in Cubase will be played by Cubase.

Hey, thanks for posting! Do you have other flows in your project? I’m wondering if you have an 8 bar flow obscured somehow. Dorico may send transport info to EZkeys to start on bar 9. If you have multiple flows in the project, got to the Setup mode and drag the flow with EZkeys to be first and see if that solves the problem? Let me know if not and I’ll see if I can suggest something else…

@@musicchefpro Hello! Thank you for your answer! No, there is no other flow... I've started a new project to test, but it's still start on bar 9... In the meantime I got an answer from Dorico-Support: "It’s a problem in Dorico, with a boring technical reason. There’s nothing you can do about this at the moment, I’m afraid - it requires some changes in the way the tempo and time signature synchronization features work. Would be nice if you could find a "workaround" with TXL if necessary...

That’s too bad, hopefully they’ll get a fix soon if they know about it. Thanks for posting your update!

Loopback is a mac-only software made by a company called Rogue Ameoba. If you google it, you’ll see the link. I’ve been really happy with it :)

Thanks for your question - sorry for my late reply. This setup is much more stable than Pro Tools and Sibelius in my experience. The key to solving this here is to (1) create a tempo map in Cubase, (2) export it and import it into Dorico and (3) then use the syncing method. Having a shared tempo map in both Dorico and Cubase is actually pretty straightforward and will solve any timing troubles with meter or tempo. BUT, if you modify your meter or tempo then do it in Cubase and export/import into Dorico as a tempo map. Here's my video on how to do this: kzfaq.infoXtnrpDkPIEA

@@musicchefpro Thanks for the info

Interesting that you had that experience. I used to sync Pro Tools and Sibelius, using Rewire, and found the process very good. Changes of time signature were no problem, and I could mark up Pro Tools with changes of tempo, including ralls and accels, down to sub-divisions of a beat, so that it synced perfectly with Sibelius. I now do the same thing with Logic and Sibelius. Rewire is deprecated, but still works as I expect, at least for now, so long as I run everything under Rosetta. I can start and stop from either application, which I don't think will work here. I'm interested in the Dorico->DAW link because Dorico is looking like a useable replacement for Sibelius. But sync between DAW and scorewriter is an important part of my workflow, hence why I'm interested in this video.

Thanks for the tip! The trigger region was actually one of the main reasons that I upgraded to Dorico 5 and I liked it. However, it frustrates me that it only displays the key switch note name - when I’m reading that in my score it just isn’t intuitive to remember what that key switch means! So, I haven’t been using that feature as much as I hoped :(

Thanks for posting! I’d suggest that you open the TXL window and check that you see the time advancing in TXL after you start playback in Dorico. Does the TXL clock start running?

Thanks for posting! Dorico 5.1 has got fantastic features that very well may be adequate, depending on what a composer needs to do. Cubase easily does some things Dorico can’t do, though (working with audio, bussing, robust plugins/FX for example). Working with phrase-based virtual instruments can be comparatively inconvenient in Dorico, too. Whether or not these features are needed or not really depends on what you’re doing.

Thanks for asking! My Cubase Aggregate is created in Audio MIDI Setup, which is only available on a Mac. Are you using a Mac?

Yes, I am using mac. I kind of figured it out, but not sure whether it’s the right way. I connect the Dorico audio to the virtual channels in loopback (under output channels tab), but I didn’t link them to any block in monitor tab. Next, I need to create an aggregate which includes loopback and my interface, then I can find those loopback virtual channels in Cubase under Studio audio connection settings. At the end, I can add Dorico track in Cubase. Please feel free to let me know if there might be anything incorrect. Again, thank you very much for the fantastic content!@@musicchefpro

Sounds like you got it! Glad to help and thanks for watching.

I’ll check that out - I’m always down for less latency :). I definitely get latency with Loopback, but its ease of use has always been worth it. If RME solved both problems, I’d go with that for sure! Thanks for the recommendation.

@@musicchefpro The latency will be way less not zero. a few mili seconds.

The latency will be closer to zero as will your bank account.

I’m sure they will figure it out eventually - i’m very much looking forward to that!