Street Fighter: Defining a Genre

Street Fighter: Defining a Genre | Design Excellence

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3 жыл бұрын

In this episode of design excellence, we take a look at Street Fighter's genre-defining gameplay and its exeptional designspace.
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@soapman-3678 3 жыл бұрын

9:30 I've found it

@Protosilver97 3 жыл бұрын

Found what?

@soapman-3678 3 жыл бұрын

@@Protosilver97 Jimbulus

@scrublordesaka3678 3 жыл бұрын

Where ?

@smaethesmae5184 Жыл бұрын

Where is it

@cake7068 3 жыл бұрын

Street: exists Fighter: I'm gonna beat the shit out of this car

@dogfrogbird8710 3 жыл бұрын

this is the complete extent of my street fighter knowledge

@SoraTrace 3 жыл бұрын

Super Mario is the most recognized fighting game character and I just think that's beautiful

@philiphunt-bull5817 3 жыл бұрын

Actually, its pac man

@SoraTrace 3 жыл бұрын

@@philiphunt-bull5817 I think that more adults know Mario nowaday since he's so heavily advertised. Also all the 2000s kids will recognize Mario before they know who Pac Man is

@unnamedminus 3 жыл бұрын

Tbh it might be pikachu

@thehuman2cs715 3 жыл бұрын

I think Pikachu and Steve have something to say about that

@kikasuru3826 2 жыл бұрын

i don't think he's recognized as a fighting game character, unlike ryu yes, people will know who mario is, but they'll know him as a video game character or a platforming character

@eddventure6214 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the long wait on this one, my mic was having issues (again) and I was also pretty busy in my personal life. However, now I should be able to get back to a (semi) regular schedule! P.S. Jimbulus as always is in this video too.

@FrizzlenillCAN 3 жыл бұрын

The concept you describe as 'mental stack' actually has a correlate in real psychology (two, actually!): working memory, and cognitive load. Working memory is the fact that you can only attend to and keep in mind a certain amount of information at any one time, analogous to RAM in a computer. Cognitive load is the concept that when working memory is near full use (usually through extra-demanding processing tasks like multitasking or complex problem-solving), performance for each operation slows down and worsens - there's lots of research about how performance at various tasks changes 'under cognitive load', and this is decidedly UNLIKE a computer.

@SAPProd 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! I always want to see Darkstalkers coverage. I’d also be down for some Rival Schools features since Capcom isn’t going to rerelease the old games so new players know what made them so fun and special.

@tackwardsfongjump1800 3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a video for Killer Instinct, it rarely gets brought up despite having very unique and in depth mechanics and characters that have Guilty Gear levels of weird and crazy stuff they can do.

@yobbiden 3 жыл бұрын

that Dhalsim perfect K.O. clip is forever in my brain now.

@sydneyboettcher2800 3 жыл бұрын

Buttery smooth

@absoul112 3 жыл бұрын

I assumed the criticism from the last episode was about the comment on how multiple SF characters shared a move and thinking they all use it the same.

@happycamperds9917 3 жыл бұрын

About Mental Stack, I heard an interview with Daigo (don’t remember where exactly) about how it is harder to do it in SFV than SF4 it most other SF games.

@sanyashaihov2721 3 жыл бұрын

And this is why alot of people really hating SF5,it's just....different,you play it in totaly another pace than any other SF game.

@deco7217 3 жыл бұрын

I have been in scenarios before where I was trying to condition the opponent, but I never knew the full extent of what conditioning is. The topic of diversifying characters' range in SF the way GG doesn't is something that really shows the intricacies of Street Fighter and how the gameplay works. Great video, very educational. P.S If you were to look for a unique game to cover, I would consider Skullgirls. This is because Skullgirls is aggressive in a way that Guilty Gear (and I think Marvel) is not. This is because of how resets are emphasized, and how team sizes are balanced (primarily the former though).

@XONTH1 3 жыл бұрын

No one: Gamers in 1980s: Nobody can make fighting game genre interesting Street Fighter: Hold my hadouken

@eddventure6214 3 жыл бұрын

Xon you need to stop with these you know thisll get top comment again

@user-cj4fu8qq9b 3 жыл бұрын

sure you can

@Derflabals 3 жыл бұрын

so true and based

@ameshizen381 3 жыл бұрын

The first sf was a failure and borderline unplayable. The actual first successful fighting game was fatal fury. Sf2 wouldnt be made until after final fight and art of fighting both made by the same lead dev. Then sf2 turbo and hyper wpuld drop making it a successful franchise

@wourydiallo1445 Жыл бұрын

@@ameshizen381 except final fury was made after street fighter 2

@marin9412 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, great video as always! I was wondering if for a next video, you could do something about bad design instead of explaining (wonderfully) why something is good. Like talking about how Maria in EFTF or bowser in Melee just don't work and have a bad design (it can work the other way, bad design isn't neccesarly a unworking bottom tier, it can also be a braindead top tier). I would love to see it, but what I would love the most is that you stay safe, healthy and keep having fun while making those videos!

@ameshizen381 3 жыл бұрын

If you talked about sf then you HAVE TO talk about there rival snk. Fatal fury and art of fighting legit made some of the mechanics we see in every fighting game to this date

@Marthroy9000 3 жыл бұрын

Personally, I like to see a video about King of Fighters. I've never truly got into the series, but the character aesthetic is very cool. I'd love to see a video about what has made it last all these years.

@hecksnek6158 3 жыл бұрын

I think the polar opposite of Guilty Gear would be something like Samuari Shodown. SamSho is almost all neutral game, reading and punishing, and blocking and evading attacks is rewarded. I think Street fighter lands somewhere in the middle of this sliding scale, which I think is neat for the reasons in this video.

@lukejones7164 3 жыл бұрын

The real opposite of Samurai Showdown is Marvel lol.

@davis1228 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, the reward for blocking has been reduced by the new Guard Crush meter. Now, in order to mitigate the increased reward for aggression, you have to use Just Defend/Instant Block and the Alpha Counter-like mechanic that is only doable after a Just Defend in a game with crap delay-based netcode that makes it difficult to successfully use those mechanics with intention. So, even SamSho has become a bit more offense-focused, like the majority of modern fighting games.

@DeronHargrove 3 жыл бұрын

Though I didn't like Street Fighter V, I do think you did an excellent job describing the goals and wants of each character. I even learned quite a bit from this!

@Zetact_ 3 жыл бұрын

I also think that the means that SF does presentation of the characters also helps give it a wide net. Very relatable characters who are defined in simple things like their profession, fighting style, or nationality. Coupled with the wide range of costumes, it's extremely easy for people to feel a connection with their main. Competitive aspects and depth of gameplay aside, having that sort of appeal to the casual audience can't be dismissed.

@huntinghunter1001 3 жыл бұрын

Please cover Killer Instinct next.

@MagillanicaLouM 3 жыл бұрын

Very good analysis. Lots more insight on what goes on in a skilled players head and the philosophy of fighting the streets

@datankle7519 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man 👌🏿 Also, GGs on ranked! Was tripping when I ran into you lmao.

@eddventure6214 3 жыл бұрын

Ggs lol, I recognise your username for sure, who were you playing?

@datankle7519 3 жыл бұрын

Was playing Ken mostly but also Sim.

@chubbysolaireeaterofpussy3192 3 жыл бұрын

damn! that was a tough af exam question 3 really stumped me btw: end card looking nice!

@LobotomyPatient 3 жыл бұрын

Was never really a big SF fan because I didn’t understand the appeal, but this video makes me wanna play now that I get it

@melon9285 3 жыл бұрын

MIIISTAAAA

@harrisv.stheworld4949 3 жыл бұрын

dang that level of character detail when you were describing the differences between vega and gil really makes me want to play this game

@salsasaucce 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Keep up the good work!

@joaomarcoscosta4647 3 жыл бұрын

1:30 Look, the issue with your previous "Design Excellence" video was not that you praised Guilty Gear, nor that you didn't spend enough time talking about other series. It is that EVERY TIME you did talk about other games in that video, it was to explain why they are not as good as Guilty Gear. That's why it felt like you were selling other fighting games short. Edit: good video, btw.

@RagdollArtwork 3 жыл бұрын

This was a good watch, and gave me a much stronger appreciation for Street Fighter 5, even if it's still not my favorite fighting game. It also clearly explained why I, an anime fighter fan, drifted so quickly to Rashid. I'm curious as to whether you intend to cover some of the less popular fighting games. Pokken Tournament is one I'm a big fan of and it would be interesting to see your thoughts on the Phase Shift mechanic and how it affects character design and balance, like how Machamp excels in Duel Phase but struggles in Field Phase, Gardevoir does the opposite, but the well-rounded Lucario does well in both but to a lesser extreme.

@endlesspath250 2 жыл бұрын

This was a very intriguing take on Street Fighter, and honestly, makes me appreciate the series more than I do now. Though, since I have a thing for fast-paced fighters, I wonder if you'll do a video on what games like the Darkstalkers or MvC franchises do so well.

@xcrackervolleyx 3 жыл бұрын

Coverage over King of Fighters would be pretty nice.

@shrikelet 3 жыл бұрын

That was a nice, succinct explanation of a topic that could have got really out of hand. Good job!

@Derflabals 3 жыл бұрын

now this is a d(h)a(lsi)m good vid!

@sheipi9978 3 жыл бұрын

In latín america we had Mk and Kof

@Lefathai 3 жыл бұрын

Babe wake up, new Eddventure video

@sydneyboettcher2800 3 жыл бұрын

This. This is video makes me want to get into Street Fighter. Where can I play it? Switch? PlayStation?

@eddventure6214 3 жыл бұрын

SFV Is available on PS4/5 as well as steam, older versions are on the 3 main platforms and still have decent player bases. It’s worth noting SFV has crossplay too

@jorgealbertoapoloacosta6159 3 жыл бұрын

You can play SF1 (although it's terrible), SFII, the alpha series and SFIII in the 30th Anniversary collection, which includes Switch!. Also, there’s a weird SSFIV port for the 3DS, although it’s impressive.

@twours 3 жыл бұрын

You can play 3rd strike on Fightcade, with a pretty active community recently

@CarlosMartinez-lm6mz 3 жыл бұрын

Your ending is like the campfire of outer wilds

@chazaqiel2319 3 жыл бұрын

I think this video is overall better scripted than the Guilty Gear one; while it's clear now that your goal is to praise a game's strenghts without necessarily stating that it doesn't have weaknesses, in the video on Guilty Gear you sounded very biased. I think the correct direction to take with this series would be how different fighting games appeal to different tastes, which ones do what best, and this video followed this philosophy a lot more, which I appreciated a lot. P.S. I'd love to hear you talk about the way Blazblue designs characters, it's easily my favourite roster out of any fighting game ever

@bandmom7969 3 жыл бұрын

well explained

@croixfadas 3 жыл бұрын

This analyse really ignore the way other FG works (tekken and smash in particular), SF is really not the most deep or complex fighting game franchise out there. IMO tekken is way more about conditioning due to the large moveset, and Melee as infinite mix up for a single interaction. Where SF is the most unique imo, is in the meter management, chars can have very different gameplan depending on how many bars they have. Thats why i love SF.

@croixfadas 3 жыл бұрын

@Kayden McCallum never said that

@adriansibucao5162 3 жыл бұрын

Pog.

@eddieconversi9295 3 жыл бұрын

my favorite camcom game is street fgier 3!

@beaushorkey9313 3 жыл бұрын

Tekken would be nice to see

@legend0945 3 жыл бұрын

I always looked at street fighter like "AHH it's ok" now I'm more interested.

@Zer0defence 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid. Um what's the first songs name?

@bigal2731 2 жыл бұрын

Did you find out? I really enjoyed this track!

@Zer0defence 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigal2731 nope

@samedwards3186 3 жыл бұрын

I...I like how Falke looks 😰

@SomeRandomDude821 3 жыл бұрын

I like that she has a stick. Closest I can get to a bo staff, and I like weapons characters. (Zeku being the exception because he's just cool)

@user-cc3ef7qh1x Жыл бұрын

9:27 oki after knockdown does not equal rushdown

@Matti_Mattsen 2 жыл бұрын

one question though: why does a diamond gill fight a rookie ken? xD

@nikeo.3183 3 жыл бұрын

0:12 Me, telling that from Russian nation perspective: *"No,that would be Mortal Kombat"*

@redboss5429 3 жыл бұрын

brian_f gang rise up

@abhishekjadli7569 3 жыл бұрын

Can you please make one for tekken?

@Eleagid 3 жыл бұрын

Can you do king of fighters next?

@esn_64 3 жыл бұрын

11:56 jim bulus taking the exam, how well will he do?

@eddventure6214 3 жыл бұрын

That’s not the hidden Jimbulus though, he is hiding somewhere In the video still

@esn_64 3 жыл бұрын

@@eddventure6214 alrighty

@legend0945 3 жыл бұрын

People where I live don't know street fighter, they only know *tikan troi*

@GG-mn9ls Жыл бұрын

‘as a reward for excellent conditioning’ lol bro it’s called playing against a rookie

@sinisterstar_2549 3 жыл бұрын

Skullgirls next?

@baresize 2 жыл бұрын

1:27 that wasnt the criticism. The main point of it was that you were making a direct comparison from Guilty Gear to Street Fighter. And in that comparison people believed you didnt properly presented SF’s side of the argument. You’re not adressing the actual criticism here. Love the channel tho, just needed to point that out.

@tanyaharmon6739 3 жыл бұрын

What's a street?Also cover super dragon ball z.

@Guitar-Dog 3 жыл бұрын

Threerd

@eddieconversi9295 3 жыл бұрын

you should've talked about street fighter in the guilty gar video

@tootsie_ 3 жыл бұрын

He didnt talk enough about Guilty Gear in this video 0/10

@ZAYA2227 3 жыл бұрын

wheres smash

@drevniqq7943 3 жыл бұрын

I dont think that this is unique to street fighter tho. Other games carry depth behind simple options too. Street fighter also isnt the only game to have characters with different goals and its surely not the game with the most well defined goals.

@syrelian 3 жыл бұрын

No, but the point isn't that these strengths are super unique, but rather that they're defining strengths, these aspects are what make Street Fighter continually interesting and popular as an FG

@drevniqq7943 3 жыл бұрын

@@syrelian What do you mean by "defining strenghts"? Do you mean that they define the characters? I cant interpret that phrase as anything unique to street fighter.

@uzernamefail 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like “less is more” is an odd approach to a competitive game in the age of concurrent player metrics and internet guides. It works absolute wonders for casual play and arcades (hence the success of SF2), but I feel SF (even pre-SFV) is more carried by the brand than the merits of individual games.

@ratedr7845 2 жыл бұрын

@Kayden McCallum yes

@eddieconversi9295 3 жыл бұрын

bobux

@nightmaregats 3 жыл бұрын

The greatest rivals in fighting game will alwaya be SF and MK, simply the best ones ever made and the ones that defined a genre

@tonyarch6303 3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHHA TEKKEN V HAS MORE PLAYERS LMAO

@Eggpull 3 жыл бұрын

Street Fighter is Definitely not the First Fighting Game it was Definitely Predated by Rock Em Sock Em Robots by 20+ years You Will Rectify this Blunder By Making Your Next Video about Rock Em Sock Em Robots

@davis1228 3 жыл бұрын

Funny how fighting game design started cycling back to Rock-Em Sock-Em Robots, with how most of the last 10-15 years' releases have needed or removed the viability of defensive archetypes and playstyles in favor of flashier offensive play.

@ratedr7845 2 жыл бұрын

He said it's the first fighting game that's a lot like the ones today, fighting games before SF2 were completely different