I trained with a too-heavy wall hanger in my youth to the point that I could swing a nearly 10 lb sword one handed at almost the speed I did with two hands. If you're maximum overstrong, you just get a more intensely fuckoff sized blade and go ham with that instead. I dunno, I feel like that probably doesn't work as well as it sounds like it could, but what do I know? I've never fought w/ a sword.

@@brandonogden3498 While that can definitely be helpful, if you get too accustomed to the extra weight, sometimes it can actually make it harder to control a normally weighted blade for proper technique. I doubt it'd be quite as pronounced in HEMA, but I once accidentally whipped my friend's hand with a foil after six months of epee fencing because I was used to using three times as much force to move my blade around. General principle probably still stands.

Guys. We found the barbarian.

force=mass x acceleration. Bigger weapons do help get through armor but a lighter weapon can produce the same force as a bigger weapon if used fast enough. Big weapons are specialized in war, not used for general combat unless forced too.

Ckasp lol if your strong enough to use a lighter claymore as a toy, and can easily swing it around, whoever you hit is not gonna get up. Or a sledge hammer, hit center body, and quickly so they can’t dodge, and when they block, they get fucked.

*_This._*

Keep in mind that running a school requires management skills too.

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Batarn *Loads quicksave*

*pulls Enchanted Dragonbone Warhammer* *quicksaves*

Well - in a way it is not wrong. Look at BodyBuilders - they could very well be described as having high strength but low stamina, dex and agi. it is still fun to remember when i was joining some gymnastics class in their outdoor training and they had 2 body-builders there. Big muscles, big mouths and talked about how much stronger and fitter they are. After just a few minutes of light warmup they were already panting, and they couldn't keep up at all at the obstacle course. "strongest man" contests also show this. they are insanely strong, but that comes at the cost of having a lot of muscle mass that slows them down.

But David had an equivalent of a gun in that fight

@@ABaumstumpf bodybuilding is not powerlifting though.

To be fair, although in this case the dichotomy is obviously wrong; there are surprisingly many related cases, in which there IS a dichotomy between "power" and "speed". In unarmed martial arts for instance, stronger guys are generally slower than people with less muscles (and therefore mass). Or when choosing a design for a sword: More mass at the top means more cutting ability but less nimbleness of the blade. If you compare different moves (both armed and unarmed) you can see the dichotomy again (to some extent): A Zornhau has more power than a more normal cut, but it's obviously more telegraphed, therefore slower. A jab has more reach than a hook and is therefore "faster" than a hook in some sense (the concept of speed is generally pretty messy), but it's weaker. So it is not that surprising that this dichotomy was thought of and then falsely connected to instances where this relation doesn't apply, or even the opposite is true.

Games are not the only ones to blame though. Hollywood and Arnold *insert last name here* had a lot to do with it.

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Bejabbers..

I loved that show

His muscle structure is incorrect and his fists are tiny.

@@josephmcdonagh8389 good

Admit it. Mostly in legs was it not? Cuz for me My training is alway one hell of a leg day.

Training in a combat style does not always increase your strength beyond a certain level, it may increase your stamina, but at some point you will reach the strength needed for your particular style and will not be working the muscles hard enough without additional strength training. You could, for instance, increase the weight of the sword you are using every few weeks, but eventually you'll end up swinging a club just to increase your strength rather than to improve your technique. Raw physical power could be useful that one time you need to flip a heavy table over to hide behind but do it one handed, or kick a door shut in someones face or whatever.

Actually I think my obliques (?) were in the most pain for some reason. Core muscles in general. My legs weren't *too* bad but I've always had pretty strong legs.

This is not true. There's a reason why any athlete where endurance and strength are both important, always train pure strength at least some of the time and don't just practice the skills of their sport. This is equally true from ice hockey players, to football to Crossfit. Additionally, feeling sore is not a good estimate of if you're increasing your strength or not.

@@Rommel12 this is correct, you'll gain some strength but you will never be actually notably advantageously strong without other strength training

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nah man only tiny asian schoolgirls can fully utilize a katana.

_"Heh, nothing personel kid. You know i've studied the blade for over 9000 years... Mastering the most-advanced katana techniques in the world. You ever heard of a katana, kid? Well let me just translate it for you: katana means ''japanese sword,'' and i've got over 9 ways to kill you with this one right now. Yeah, you see, i'm the number-one cause of death in the world, and i dont care about anything but money. My parents were killed and i was cursed by the demigod of death himself, so i dont really got munch holding me back. I am forever a mercenary, i assasinate people and i get paid for it. Nothing in life matters but money. God? Yeah, i believe in god... In fact, you are looking right at him. You know behind you is one hundread more enemies, and in the next 30 seconds i'm gonna take-out all one hundread and one of you. But kids like you are nothin' you can't even make me flinch. The guys behind you might cause me some trouble tho. Forgive me master, i have to go all-out, just this once."_

While you were off pursuing vanity and women, I've been learning the blade.

@@drizzziit1 anime villain in a nutshell

@@drizzziit1 *What a beautiful monologue.* ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

It's a little sad that this question needed to be answered. It feels like common sense is becoming less common. Kinda ironic. If strength wasn't important in a fight... why the hell do we need to build muscle in sports?

Andy Oh people don’t understand much of their own body mechanics. Too much movie and game clouds common sense.

A. Ozzy Oswald Anyone that watched Rocky or Creed would know it’s not just strength or technique. It’s both. I think this should also be common sense for anyone that exercises regularly.

It depends on the individual and their genetics (as well as other factors of course). For me it has been a lot easier to develop technical skills than to build strength, but I've seen guys who are naturally large framed and muscular despite not even lifting. Either way you're right, training to become stronger is never a bad idea. It helps in everyday life and especially in martial arts.

No, keep lifting weights with all your time, that will make you strong enough to win against any technique.

popuptoaster my thoughts exactly, I always think it's best to be able have a healthy balance between strength and skills from training, especially when you do need strength to make the technique or move as effective as its suppose to be, I.E. a punch, a knee strike, a kick, a slash, lunge, or cut. Granted I don't exactly have good strength myself, 5'10" and 142 pounds, but I do still work on both strength training, such as use of weights push ups pull ups etc, and technique training, doing the same move over and over again and refining it to help feel natural and be capable in the long run, or work on both at the same time.

@@judeskater93 the only reason strenght is important is so you can attack faster. Faster attacks are often more powerful and effective because they actually go through. The "charging up for attack" is just to balance things out in video games. If fiction was like reality it would get boring and one sided real quick.

​@@michaelmorse4444 As someone who weighs nearly 300lbs with most of that being muscle, I disagree with your first response. I've had complaints about it being impossible to beat me because of my strength; however, I would quickly show them that was not the case by teaching them a master cut. I also disagree with your second statement. Higher strength allows so much more than just speed. You can parry more easily, break parries, switch your attack to something else in more situations, save stamina, avoid dedicating yourself to an attack/defense as much, etc...

I'd say in the cases you mentionned stamina would be more important but stamina and strenght heavily correlates.

We are still expected to engage in it today... lol

@@chadparris8892 yes but of course it doesnt happen that often...

​@@grailknight6794 Speaking from experience or have you read any mission debriefs?

@@chadparris8892 why do you think hand to hand combat happen that often in modern warfare?

Yeah, once it becomes a grapple match, it's mostly about who is stronger and has more mass.

Even then, there are techniques, like judo.

Thanks. Most people only notice the audio when it's bad. Good audio is often taken for granted. :)

Fights to the death are usually short, but you are right: if you have no stamina left, you are at a severe disadvantage. Usually strenght correlates with stamina. It is incredibly difficult to build one and NOT the other.

@@francoiscoupal7057 Not necessarily wrong, but it's definitely much easier to build up stamina without significantly building strength. After all, stamina is mostly efficiency at using strength along with muscle capacity, and for the most part you'll train efficiency faster and easier than strength itself.

Also the stronger you are the more opponents U will able to engage with. If your not strong u have no power left. Some might attribute that to stamina but stamina and strength go hand in hand. Only EXTREME strength thats incuded with steroids, or EXTREME endurance causing severe muscle loss will have negative aspects.

Well, think is good technique just reduces unnecessary movements and make fighting more efficient, so I fact it have bigger pact than to be strong. But anyway, you can (or you should) be both, skilled and strong....

@@DragonEdge10 Well there are different kinds of stamina.

Dóczy Gergő yeah but hes the NPC that looks like a witcher because the game dev's got lazy and just copy pasted the character

_"How do you like that pommel, you piece of filth!?"_

He will make a perfect Bear school witcher if he is slightly taller

@@cool06alt Bear bruhs FTW.😀

And add some speed-holes!

Red makes things go faster, Ork logic at it's finest.

Because that’s cheating

Well my dad taught me a way to-.... Okay nope, that's enough 😂

@@johnfischer707 *Well my dad taught me few things too... QUOTE THE EVANGELION RIGHT OR FACE THE WRATH OF BILLY HERRINGTON

@@lepathewarrior4445 I'm sorry sir, I am but a knave

Ouch!

Thats exactly why historically everybody HAD to do highland games, strongman and stone lifting. Gym equipment sucks, but training for strength with odd objects helps becoming a good fighter. Otherwise it wouldn't have such a huge standing in european history

I think that most people dont understand how strong and actual 500lbs bench press actually is, such and strong individual would totally toy with any average martial artist.

@@markhietala exactly. There's a great video around on the internet, with Hafthor and MacGregor sparring. It's light hearted, and neither is trying to hurt the other. In the beginning, MacGregor's speed is impressive and it seems like Hafthor doesn't stand a chance. But then, at one point, he gets ahold of MacGregor, and it is instantly clear That there's not a thing in the world that would save him. The disparity in power means that Hafthor could have picked him up one handed and simply beat him against a wall. Most strength disparities are not so extreme. But it was a great wake up for anyone who thinks that speed always beats power.

With a name like "TheOtakuORPGamer"?

@@nahuelmat haha just thinking that.

As everyone knows, your username literally dictates everything about you. Did you know that it's actually impossible for someone that's a legitimate fighter to have nerdy hobbies or even have a nerdy username? There's a metaphysical aura around the universe that prevents it from happening!

@@jessicaslater4243 You seem to be taking this very personally. Are you also a weaboo martial arts master?

@@jessicaslater4243 Come on. You can do better than that surely? I was counting on you.

Especially since the effectiveness of arrows is directly proportionate to the speed ans mass of the projectile. Mass is the craftmanship and material used, speed is the power put behind the bowstring.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks that's backwards.

Not agility ;) agility is when you want to move walk on rope or something like that and in fact speed is strength of leg muscle

Most people are familiar with bows for target shooting or hunting wild animals, which require a different skillset than Medieval military archery. Deer doesn't wear armor and bolts at danger. I think that is where the misconception came from.

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To gain strength, you need to gain muscles. But the more you gain muscles, the lesser the ration muscles-strenght become. At some point, you reach a point where more muscles would just impede your movements, flexibility and speed. Thats why you would never see bodybuilders in things such as Athletism or swimming. Athletes aims for the perfect point where they can have a maximum output of strength without a muscle-mass to important which would impede the rest. I don't know if this quote is used in english too, but "the better is the enemy of good" .

Strenght does not automatically mean big muscles.

If you aren't training in strength/mobility... You are limiting alot in your game: inverted transition from guard, striking, better defensive framing, etc. Plus. Good luck gassing out.

@@OneDreams54 Your quote exists in English. A more exact translation would be "Better can be the enemy of good enough".

It’s not hard to be strong if your a genetic freak and born to be strong without any weight training this applies even more for the past when weights didn’t exist and the strongest men simply were just much more naturally talented than the average person ofcourse manual labor improves anyone’s strength but without the right genes you’ll never be stronger than the barrel chested stocky guy

i disagree. the distance over which a pommel can be thrown directly coralates to the users strength.

@@windhelmguard5295 but if a strong warrior does not know how to throw his pommel then it comes down to skill

You could be weak, but if you're able to fly you can drop pommels on your foes.

A stronger opponent has a greater chance of deflecting or foiling your close in pommel attack. Strength vs skill is not an either/or arguement. In my mind part of developing skill is developing strength. They are complimentary. If you somehow are developing skill without strength you are not training long enough or hard enough.

When Schwarzenegger filmed Conan the Barbarian he had to lose alot of muscle mass because he could not properly hold or swing the sword. I have to assume being too muscle bound would impinge one's ability to throw correctly, too. In this case, a pommel

I would make your gain 100 pounds more than me just to drop your fat ass and make you cry..... Size wouldn't help you buddy.

yeah im 6'6 but i've been "defeated" by people i'm worried i might hurt, in a real fight i'm just going to batter you with the nearest table given the chance. I saw a large friend of mine walk through several heavy blows to his head and just pick the guy up and shove him out of a window. its VERY difficult to get an idea of a real fight with a big guy when you are pulling blows while sparring.

@@HONESTWISDOM ​ You're a fucking idiot, and we can tell you're one of these virgin armchair neckbeards that thinks they can take on Mike Tyson and win easily. Why do you think any competitive sport has weight classes? Force = Mass x Acceleration. It's simple physics, moron. If the bigger guy is just as fast as you, then you're fucking toast. You're acting like bigger guys can't be faster or more skilled than you.

Why is everybody thinking that size is the same as strength? Yeah, taller people tend to be stronger, but if somebody smaller is as strong as his larger oponent than size really doesn't matter...

Usually its scrawny anime nerds that think "psh I would backflip katana slice any big guy instantly". Fact is that being strong will give you a pretty good advantage over people that aren't strong

I mean, there should also be some level of honor in sword fighting, but those lines get blurry when tournaments, points, etc. get thrown into the mix. Sorry to be subjective here, but I power lift three days a week and fight rapier the other three. If I am fighting a noticeably smaller opponent I will not muscle them out with my guard. It's bad for two reasons, first you aren't really learning any efficient technique, second trying to force them leaves you wide open for them to easily change lines, especially if they are blocking with some force.

@@That1J1 Im currently imagining an enlightenment philosopher type but stupidly swole so thanks for that But yeah, I see what you're getting at.

@@scvnthorpe__ *flexes* Thou hit the nail on the head, brah. *smokes pipe*

@Qowkdjnd Xiwjsjd That's why I said "not so much", not that it's not required at all. The strength to aim & fire accurately is needed, but once you can do that, you don't really need any more strength. It's not like you can shoot harder.

Well, strength definitely allows for better recoil control and overall control of the gun. It's pretty much the same as any complex activity, skill is most important but strength enhances the ability.

@@Blurns "You can't shoot harder" You just aren't trying hard enough.

Blurns You can carry and handle a bigger gun though.

@@Blurns But... once you run out of ammo... then strength is helpful for throwing the gun at teh other guy! :P

But there are different types of strength. You are mostly talking about big stamina and not just strength. If someone is pretty strong, but gets fast fatigue his strength doesn't help that much against another person who might can't lift that much weight but doesn't get that fast fatigue.

@@xluca1701 You are entirely incorrect. Myofibrallar hypertrophy is not mutually exclusive of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. They will both improve in tandem due to mechanical/metabolic failure from weight training. Furthermore, strength focused programming improves neuromuscular efficiency overall, and your fast twitch muscle fibers benefit dramatically from it.

Blunt impact weapons are a good example of where strength really matters. Since the force is spread out across a larger surface (compared to an edge or a point) the power behind the strike is really what determines the effectiveness of something like a club or hammer. Powerful strikes to armor, especially a helmet, can be very effective.

@@BlackCrossCrusader But if you are doing a training which is specialized for stamina it's in some situations better than training which will "just" raise your pure strength. I'm not saying that pure strength wouldn't matter, that's nonsense. It depends on the situation, your oponent, your envirinment where are you fighting and in some situation it's just luck. There are so many factors that you just can't say that some matters and some not.

@@xluca1701 thats not quite right. I think being bigger in height and stronger you statisticly are more likely to win a fight. Its just logic. They use weightclasses for a reason.

Yes its called pommel lifting and its really effective if you want to become good in swordfighting

I think some of the medieval fencing masters recommended lifting rocks.

Lift Strenght help only with Grapling. What you need most is Impact Strenght. You do not need to be abble to lift your bodyweight to deal a blow that would brake a person bone or transfer a lot of hand shock to the weapon.

Same basic implements as anyone else. Strength matters on a fundamental level because it's a fundamental component of physical fitness, it's just that a swordsman shouldn't specialize in strength because they aren't strength athletes. In other words, to the extent that strength matters, it's going to be barbell training for swordsmen just like everyone else, it's just that gaining a ton of weight won't be useful (unless you are severely underweight that is).

@@kamirostorino9416 yes, what this man said. It also really depends on how you lift. If you lift focusing on building strength instead of building mass it can really help the explosive movements you need for fighting. Meaning: lifting for strenght means going for more weight on lower rep count, and building for mass means going for a bit lower weight but higher rep count.

You have to acknowledge that there is a diffrence between a knife and a sword, and there are diffrences between individuals. In my case, yes Bones would probably kick my ass and beat me if I used a knife, he's got freaky range and athleticism. Against a sword though... Come on man, if he lifts his foot you chop that shit off. There is a reason why punching and kicking is uncommon in HEMA, extending an unarmored limb is usually a dumb thing to do. As with getting charged by a 200 kg strongman... no doubt they could charge you, but unlike the Hulk, they are Humans with real emotions, getting stabbed brought the chest probabably hurts like an absolute bitch and getting your skull split is probably more than enought to halt most people in their tracks. Modern day strongmen are strong, fantastic atheletes, but they are humans, they feel pain and they bleed. The whole point of weapons is to minimized this diffrence in strenght.

The Empress of Mankind. Great comment. Im still unsure as to what degree of weaponry i would feel i would need to comfortably take on someone like Bones of Brian Shaw. Im probably overestimating them as humanbeings, but i feel they could wreck the shit out of me even if i manage to chop one of their hands clean off as theyre closing the distance. My best hope would be to score a close to instant lethal hit or cause so much pain that they could not continue (something i think would be difficult to do as they would be full of adrenaline and they are used to ignoring pain).

There are numerous recorded fights in history where the "winner" of a fight (in the sens that he killed is opponent outright) died shortly after of wounds (bleeding, infections, and the like). So while you may "lose" the fight (and be very dead after they wring your neck), you may have mortally wounded them with your knife. They just, unlike you, did not die on the spot.

Yes these scenarios exist, but come on.. We can't serisouly expect this to be anything but the most rare of cases. You chopping the arm of an unarmored mma fighter is probably going to cause such physical and psychological trauma I doubt he is going to keep trying to kill you. And a strongman with a spear through his chest is most likely also not going to keep attacking. These are modern day athletes not hardened soldiers of old, who are accepting as a part of their job: physical injuries of the type medieval and ancient combat could cause. Mma fighters give in to kicks and punches(mentally that is before the ref steps in) , most tap before their arms snap, the few that have their arms broken in armbars tab imidiatly after their arms break. And I think getting your leg cleaved of is something more akin to having your leg blow off In modern warfare rather than pushing a joint in the opposite direction. Let's consider Silva vs Weidman 2, Anderson broke his shin, snap. The thing broke into two pieces, he layed down and screamed, looked utterly fucking terrible. I would 100% have reacted the same way. Now imagine it was cut off: blood squirting out, you can your foot on the floor and it hurts as much if not more than breaking it... Even if in some tough scenario, adrenaline stops the pain, the sight alone should be enough to fuck you up. I do not believe most people, normal guys and gals like us, professional athletes and even most trained soldiers would keep on fighting. Heroic exceptions are not the rule.

@@ThePijarro I was talking more about a fight to the death. As in no tap or surrender. If you get your hand chopped off in this kind of fight you can either surrender and die or keep fighting (until you probably die).

Yeah, swords are made to be lightweight.

To be fair if one was based in sword fighting in reality and one not, that would explain it a bit better, Though not much really. Also if it is fantasy it depends, The guy usually with the sword five times his size is one of the main characters, and in turn, does have super strength. While a woman in said fantasy, may not have superhuman strength. That said the idea a woman can't use an average blade effective is stupid, They wouldn't be as fast as their male counterparts, nor as strong(Which both matter alot.), But the blades themselves are very light. Hell bows use more strength than a sword and their the defacto fantasy weapon for women. Kind of humorous on that contradiction.

@The Only True Witch-King Yeah. He's/She's took weak for a normal arming sword, Give em a bow! Really goes to show you that they don't know anything about How the weapons work.

@The Only True Witch-King I get a chuckle out of whenever they give the scrawny girl a bow.

@@theworstcatholic7247 By the way... the reason that the misconception exists is because of qualities associated with marksmenship that came up in stories as old as Tolkien's writings, which is where dungeons and dragons comes from, which was what directly inspired game and fantasy lore like final fantasy. Elves were seen as a nimble and sleek race of people, they focused on archery because it was safer for them to kill from a distance than to engage in combat with a race that was physically larger than them, often physically stronger and possessed more stamina. Not to say that they couldn't. Also, young women are very adept at archery even in modern day. It doesn't take a very high draw weight for a bow to be effective at 60 yards. On average women are better marksmen because of the center of balance that they have. A great example of a current female marksmen is Kim Rhode who was an Olympic competitor that has several medals to her name. Giving a young woman a bow or a cross bow makes a lot of sense. You can be strong enough to pull back a bow string and aim well enough to be effective while still lacking the physical stamina to engage in a sword fight. I've shot archery competitively since before my age was in the double digits and did fairly well at the state level. You can in fact be weak and use a bow better than you can use a sword, strength will allow you to wield a bow with a greater draw weight that is more dangerous. You can still have a person that is a fantastic archer, pulls a draw weight of say a hundred pounds, excellent accuracy but still doesn't have the physical stamina to defend themselves with a sword. It may be helpful to look for the roots of misconceptions rather than just making fun of the fact that they exist, some of them have some actual basis in fact that is being misinterpreted.

STR > QUALITY > DEX

RES >> STR >> DEX

@@Greycobalt ADP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything

AGI > INT > STR > END > LCK > PER > CHR

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If you rolling in a sword fight, you'll get stabbed in the neck or the back. If you try rolling in a fist fight you'll get kicked in the ribs.

If you really want to die, feel free try it out... I assume you're referring to the combat in The Witcher, which is completely inaccurate in almost every way.

Rolls are very fantasy. Bloodborne style rapid steps and jumps, however, are actually fairly viable - if not very sustainable, due to the energy expended by doing them. They're also not optimal, since ideally you'd perform a counterstrike that both parries the opponent's blow and connects with them, but sometimes the easiest/only thing to do is just GTFO the way and re-engage.

I once rolled out of the way of a door. Outside of that, I can't think of any situation where it'd be useful.

Rolls are for protecting against the forces of gravity. They are also useful when you are in some grapples.

At this point you could say that neurological training is technique and skill applied to your body.

@@francoiscoupal7057 I would actually say it's the opposite - skill and technique is also all about tuning the nervous system to get used to activating the right muscles at the desired rate. @The Only True Witch-King Size matters for acceleration and the mass component of the Kinetic Energy equation. It takes significantly more force to accelerate a larger (read: more massive) body at the same rate as a less massive body. If you have the energy to spare, however, size is a benefit. EDIT: Almost forgot to mention - that extra size is a benefit up until your extra energy runs out - larger fighters tend to fatigue sooner than smaller ones, as an example.

For pure speed, ie running in a straight line; strength is definitely king. As you pointed out though, its focused in certain places. Olympic Sprinters are very strong, but they don't look like bodybuilders. As for wiry small folks being fast, its more of a misrepresentation. It's not that they aren't fast, but its a different type of fast. Just look at Jackie Chan, graduates of chinese acrobat schools, and pretty much all gymnasts or even rock climbers. Having a light body allows you to get a much better power to weight ratio and perform amazing acrobatic feats. So, its more a matter of larger guys have higher power, while the smaller guys have power to weight ratio.

Exept a pommel no matter how weak the throw it will always hit with the power of hypernova right on the head of your enemy and will obliterate them and any opponent in a 3km radius, the real thing that matters if you miss tge pommel throw and dont do it with prestine technique it would be as weak as the joke im making right now

Except the weapon is the large size that has to be held by some sort of machine/support. I don't think it makes any difference if you are the one fire ICBM to another target area 1000s of km away.

@@GuitarsRockForever I fire ICBMs in my toilet every day.