strength vs plyos for jumping high Ep. 3

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2 ай бұрын

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@camyjumps 2 ай бұрын

Super interesting about plyos, in early 2021 I did a max strength focused cycle with some MaxV sprinting for 4 weeks and that cycle I tested 10’2 was super close to 10’3 so maybe realistically 10’2.5 albeit in the winter on like a 4 degree day. Then next cycle I did some depth jumps and took out all the sprints and lifts got more specific. At the end of this cycle I tested 10’5 for a 3” 3 step Pr in relatively similar conditions was about 8 degrees out and raining!

@mcshuffles4032 2 ай бұрын

Hey John, what’s the ground contact times for one foot dunking/vert verse the plyos you were doing verse what you see in high jump? Also what ground contacts was Isaiah doing for plyos verse his 0.26 seconds for his best jump? Do you think that you’ve pushed your plyos so far you’re seeing diminishing returns/not helping and for someone less trained the novelty might help like how they improved your vertical when you were younger? I loved this episode listening to it in the car. Can’t wait for phd Dr Rivera and Dr John to release the plyos for dunkers dissertation published in the finest journal.

@SprintTheory 2 ай бұрын

This is an interesting debate. I think that some of the architectural changes to muscle that facilitate strength gains can be detrimental to jumping. For example increasing pennation angle can increase force output but reduce shortening velocity of muscle fibres. I have a similar video on my channel which is about can you have too much muscle. But thats more about muscle than strength.

@juhbell1852 2 ай бұрын

Yall are having an existential plyo crisis in this video

@razza1580 Ай бұрын

😭😭

@ninjagoose 2 ай бұрын

Something above my knee is hurting and it never really has before. I think its a tendon. I am quite sure it is my quad tendon. Does this mean something different than pain below the knee. Should I do the tendon health phasing starting with isos or is there different protocols for quad tendonopathy? Thankyou for all you do John.

@HlM. 2 ай бұрын

What qualities do you see in athletes who are good at both one and 2 feet jumping eg ant Edwards, ja

@itamar1001 2 ай бұрын

Lesss goo! New vid

@jagaurz5893 2 ай бұрын

I’ve only done plyometrics as a form of training for dunking. I’m a 1 foot jumper at 56 with a 7 foot one standing reach and within three summers I’ve went from a 24 inch vertical to a 40 inch vertical.(I only do my workouts during the summer.) then, during the basketball season I do dunk sessions on low rim three times a week and I always have a portion of time in the jump session where I do max attempts at trying to touch either 10 feet or dunk 10 feet. So I feel like John saying that plyometrics shouldn’t be a main way of increasing your vertical it would be incorrect

@IsaiahRivera1 2 ай бұрын

There’s a fallacy in that however.. it’s possible you could’ve been even better with different training methods. Just because something works doesn’t mean that there isn’t something that is more effective out there

@JohnEvans 2 ай бұрын

I think you need jumping AND lifting and very very low doses of plyometrics

@jagaurz5893 2 ай бұрын

I’ve tried doing plyometrics weighted, and those haven’t helped me so I don’t know if that would count as weight training. but I did it for a majority of the summer, and when I got off of the plyometrics that whever waited, I saw almost no results and then I finished the rest of the summer doing just normal plyometrics, and I finally saw a little bit of a difference. But yet again, that difference could’ve been from the way to plyometrics just later on. Then last summer I did exclusively plyometrics and saw a 3 inch gain in my vertical

@ashishmalempati4546 2 ай бұрын

⁠@@IsaiahRivera1but Zay you could say that about literally anyones training, including THP’s

@IsaiahRivera1 2 ай бұрын

@@ashishmalempati4546In this particular example he defended plyos when it’s literally all he’s done though. At this point John and I have seen a ton of different set ups with literally thousands of athletes, and we continue to experiment with different training methods. A lot of people think THP is one training method when it’s really an evolving thing that is constantly being updated to what works best with individuality in mind. We’ve literally had one program be dunking 4 times per week with one lift because it’s what the athlete responded to best initially, and then introduced more complex lifting down the line(this was Donovan Hawkins).