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Sounds good for the video, but having made a career as a carpenter I can tell you a belt sander is invaluable.

I used to have the same opinion about Belt Sanders, making the same mistake by holding the Belt Sander on the same spot and digging into the timber. I watched a friend of mine who is a panel beater, probably known as an Auto Body repair man in the US, laminate a bench top from strips of timber and mounted it on the cabinet base. He levelled the top using a Belt Sander guiding the tool diagonally in two directions across the benchtop and finishing with an orbital sander. I ran my hand over the finished bench top, level perfect. It's not the tool, it's the expertise of the person that makes the difference.

They can pry mine away from my cold dead hands

I use a belt sander on occasion, but it is usually clamped in a vise to make it stationary

I’m a retired Garbageman. Over the years I’ve collected Boxes of old Bench Planes. And I’m finally up to the point in retirement that I’m restoring them. VERY Gratifying to take ol’ Rusty and transform it back into the fine tool it was intended to be. ESPECIALLY when it yields that first ribbon of Wood. Knowing it was destined for a recycler or worse the Landfill. Of course now I have a Till to build. Cheers. Love the Videos.

Belt Sanders are extremely helpful for a whole house of tasks

I use my belt sander all the time. I grew up using one before there ever was an orbital sander.

I absolutely love belt sanders, I can plane and have a decent orbital sander. Some times you’ve just got to take a large amount of wood off quickly without using a plane. But I don’t use plywood or manmade woods so maybe I find them more useful.

I’ve had a belt sander for about 15 years and used it on maybe five projects. It’s an awesome tool when you need it. It’s certainly very easy to destroy your work and commands some respect. This past winter I shaped the end of four oversized through tenons on a workbench I made and it was the best tool I had for the job. After a few test pieces I was comfortable with the process and extremely happy with how it turned out. Planing, chiseling, or filing a curved, beveled end grain on big Doug fir stretchers would have been a nightmare, it just loves to splinter.

They may not be the best tool for the woodshop but they sure come in handy when remodelling old homes with wood floors. They are also great for leveling subflooring. A word of warning; Don't purchase a bunch of belts for your inventory. The glue/tape will degrade and you'll end up with lots of straight 6" strips of sandpaper.

Stumpy is wrong on this one. A belt sander has its uses, just not on cabinetry.

Started woodworking at 5 years of age in my father's cabinet shop...gained knowledge from many master joiners he employed...most important lesson learned is that it's not the tool that counts...it is more the person using it...

"I will yank the cord and throw both it and you out the back door..." Joke's on you, Stumpy: my belt sander is cordless!

A lot of amateur woodworkers just don’t have the life expectancy to become talented carpenters, they just want to make stuff using wood. Speaking for myself I will use electric tools if they give me more accurate and reliable results over hand tools. However I still use hand tools.

In a shop, I completely agree with you. On a renovation job site you are dealing with knocking plaster and paint off trim to reuse it, nail heads, lack of a good work surface, and a host of other issues that make a belt sander a good friend in the field.

My belt sander is permanently mounted in a jig for shaping purposes.

Nothing beats a good scrub plane. Just a joy to work with. Quiet and doesn't leave a mess. And you can use any plane you have, no matter how messed up. I use an old Soviet beater plane without any built in adjustments (no lateral nor depth adjuster) and a chipped mouth and it works marvelously. I rarely even sharpen it. I'm gonna dedicate my other planes for rough work with smaller camber.

it's kinda hilarious that you used a belt sander to make a radius on the little piece of wood. (albeit, a sideways one that's mounted like a bench tool)

We use our belt sander mainly to sharpen lawnmower blades and quickly blunt the edges on basic shop projects built out of junk lumber.

I can't agree with you about this. You've identified a small minority of the applications of a belt sander, where a plane would be better. And those are applications where I wouldn't use one, because they're noisy, dusty and slow. But a plane won't do what they're really for. Like surfaces with multiple pieces of wood of different grain orientation, with gaps between them, which a plane would split on the edges. Or surfaces with materials that would blunt a plane, like inlaid brass, nails in a floor, or inlaid marble or other masonry or cement products, or wood surfaces with difficult grain or multiple knots. You even use a linisher, which is a belt sander, in shaping your piece of wood in this video. You're making a straw man argument against a tool that is the only one that will do what it's designed to do.

If you want to remove 50 years of paint layers from a long piece of wood, belt sander is your friend.

I like my battery powered planer for those tasks, but this is definitely an interesting idea

Wonderful video James. I loved it. You are so correct! Years ago I purchase a #5 Stanley plane for $2.50 at a garage sale. I sharpened the blade with a camber and used it to flatten boards. It works beautifully. Later I purchased a new replacement blade and used that to give silky smooth results on those flattened boards. I threw out my belt sander and never missed it.

“Don’t test me like grandma did” 😂😂😂😂😂

Wow, that was a really dramatic setup in order to tell us about a scrub plane without ever calling it a scrub plane. All your points are valid though. This is way better than a belt sander. Might want to also mention that sometimes the mouth needs to be opened up a little with a file.

I agree with your video comments. After watching some videos several years ago, I learned how to properly tune and sharpen a plane. I started with my cheap Craftsman block plane and was amazed at the difference with proper tuning. I display it proudly on my tool board and reach for it often. My 3 grandsons listened to my comments about block planes and began one-by-one buying their own at yard sales and I refurbished each and re-gifted them back to my grandsons. They have all been won over. I have several #4's and #5's purchased from yard sales for a song and they are on my to-do list. I hope everyone believes your comments after trying to use a hand plane that is dull and not tuned well. That was me several years ago.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY! CORRECT! I took your video into the GARBABE CAN! I have used BELT SANDERS for at least 40+yrs and they have ALL done great work on flat boards or walls and was complamented many realtors in and of houses!

I had a belt sander and got rid of it when all I did was cabinets for all the same reasons. During our house renovation, there have been a few times the belt sander has saved the day. There’s a few tools I have in my shop that are not shop tools even though they could be used: belt sander, angle grinder and large hammer drill. Construction tools have their place but rarely is it with delicate projects.

Worst shop accident I ever had. Took a belt sander, turned it upside down and clamped it in a wood vise. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. I can almost see Stumpy shaking his head as he reads this. Caught my palm between the sanding belt and the housing. Ouch! I still have the somewhat faded oblong scar to this day. That was 50 years ago and haven't had an accident since. (Knock on wood) I did learn a valuable lesson to always pay attention and use every tool for its intended purpose. I'm more of a random orbital sander type of guy.

I was on the verge of buying a thicknesser last week when I changed my mind and decided to revisit the use of a plane.It's about 50 years since I last used one successfully, so I dug out 2 old planes and they are sitting on the end of my workbench waiting to be sharpened.Thank you so much for your timely advice which will be put into practice later today. 😊

Totally agree with this, amateur woodworker, timber framer and hobby sawmiller. Ive tried everything to get my rough cut timbers/boards out of warp…power planers, timber planer, flattening jigs of all sorts. Quickest way I found is to use a roughing plane on the high spots till the reference face is flat enough to run true through a machine. A little candle wax or oil on the sole of the plane will make for less effort.

As a hobbyist that has to find time when I can, I just don't have the time to learn to use and maintain hand planes. Maybe one day when I have more time.

I have a couple belt sanders and they can not only save time but also be the best tool for the job.

Just couple days ago needed to build a complete outdoor box. Used nothing else than a belt sander at the speeds 1, 3 and 9. One and same 80 grid belt on it. Easily glued twisted boards together and sanded all effortlessly to flat. Made good smooth rounded edges, corners and all with the machine. All the dowels easily cut to length and then sanded flat to surface with belt sander. Then as well made the slatted walls, 4 mm thick ones cut from 38x20 mm with circular saw, and planed smooth and equal with belt sander. Belt sanders are great for a normal woodworking, as long you remeber that what directions you should not move it, and what speed you need to use. It is totally true that you can very easily ruin your surface with one single wrong direction movement or at wrong speed. But when you see it in hands of experienced users, you know it is one of those tools that requires a mastery to really understand how to handle that beast. And I am far from such level skills. But I would not give up my beltsanders. And for rough wood removal with the hand planers... Those are joke sizes... Look at the wooden ones, that are even made to build large barrels or log houses walls. We are talking 1000 mm long ones with huge blades, that you can easily move to use ridiculous amount of wood and plane things at all kind forms, straight, curved, cornered etc. Those small hand planes are nothing for that purpose. Just get the proper tool for the task, and leave small hand planers like those for the small wood working to do finishing. The belt sander is like a chainsaw. Most people see it just to cut trees and do some rough forresting etc. But when you see a master using the chainsaw to do scuplting, to carve poles and everything like hot knife in the soft butter... It changes opinion what you can do with chainsaw. And same is with beltsanders, most people have never seen what can be done with it, and use it wrong as they think it wrong.

Perfect timing for me as I am just about to turn a Stanley 4 1/2 into a scrub plane, thanks James....So i used this method and it worked pretty well, especially when I used my belt sander to round off the end of my pattern for the camber.😂

I’m a professional installer. Interior trim and cabinets. I use various hand planes all the time. Properly sharpened and maintained, they are often faster, always quieter, and usually easier to use than a powered equivalent. Bonus: satisfying to use, and the cleanup is easier too.

Sorry Stumpy, I have many sanders, including a belt sander. This is a great idea though.

I used my belt sander to carve out the belly cut on a guitar body earlier today, with very little fine sanding afterwards. However I never use it to strip floors or table tops. Point is it can be used very effectively for specific tasks that require certain axis angle carves, whereby you can rev the motor to suit your sweeping arc to take more or less material. It's also usefull fixed in place like a small linisher to clean up edges. You can also use the soft edge of the belt as it pulls off centre to feather a contour etc.

I have a belt sander, it is used in carpentry. I also have a dedicated scrub plane as Stumpy describes, except the the throat is wider than a regular plane. It is particularly useful with heavily figured wood as it is easy to control and for that and wide boards, replaces my thickness planer.

"Don't test me like grandma did" 🤣🤣

You deserve a ton more subscriptions, James. I always look forward to your videos. Keep them coming. I've learned a lot from you.

I remember my dads cabinet shop. He built a stand for the belt sander and used it for edges. When they were built my older brother sanded all the faces with the old skill locomotive 4”. We all have our preferences and it’s time for that cold one! Thank You

My dad was a sign maker for most of my life until maybe 15 years ago when the economy shut him down. We would exclusively use a corded Makita belt sander to grind down the sharp edges after cutting down full sheets of mirror and glass. It worked amazing and I think that was the ONLY thing he ever used it for.

@5:29, "And that is just scratching the surface." Nice pun

If I had to agree with you, we would both be wrong.

Awesome timing! I accidentally taught myself this a couple of days ago when a table glue up wasn't as flat as I had hoped. After hitting it with the belt sander and getting nowhere, I broke out my old Millers Falls #5 and had it flat in a few minutes. It'll be my method moving forward!

I needed this 11 hours ago when I ruined a project with...a belt sander. Thanks for the hope of how to avoid that mistake again.

I have an old Stanley Handyman #5 which belonged to my late father. It found new life as a scrub plane. I have another old Stanley #5 which replaced Dad's plane as a jack plane. Best move ever.

I can’t disagree. If I use my belt sander, it’s outside anymore. Even with a vacuum attached, it’s worse than any other tool for dust. But it works nicely with rough wood slabs. At this moment I’m watching the part starting with the wobbly workbench and I’ll say you have caught my interest.

If you buy a quality belt sander with the adjustable skirt frame attachment you will never sand through a veneer skin. I have a six year old Festool BS-105 with a micro up/down depth adjustment knob on the frame. The sander is evenly raised or lowered inside the frame (riding on brush bristles) on the bottom of the frame suspending the sander over the wood surface to be sanded. This allows you to just kiss the high spots until the entire wood surface is even and flat. You have total control making it a joy to use especially with the vac hose attached. In the last few years other manufacturers have copied the Festool skirt attachment for their brand of belt sander. I’m surprised that James didn’t suggest using a flat cabinet scraper with two handles along with the modified hand plane useage. .

Excellent video James. I got rid of my belt sander for the reasons you state, almost 10 years ago. I use a fore plane with a seriously curved camber, followed by a jack plane. Process is so fast, you can accidentally go too far if you're not careful. Nicely done tip. Also, remind viewers that 'flat' and 'smooth' are two different things when prepping a board for say, using a planer to make both sides parallel. All you need is flat. Once the rough side is made parallel, you can make the original 'flat' side smooth with the planer too.

Years ago I bought an old beat up Power-Kraft #4 (?) and cambered the iron on it. When I want to remove material fast, it's my go to. Also, unlike many people, I prefer a smoothing plane and a card scraper over a powered sander for most things. Thanks for the tip.

Use mine almost everyday. It does things so quick and simple.

When I was an apprentice I made a walnut and maple chess board. After glue up I had to flatten it, and I did, perfectly, with a....belt sander. One pass against the grain, one pass diagonally, one pass diagonally the opposite way then finish with a pass with the grain then repeat, repeat, repeat. Being older and wiser I now hook up my belt sander to a vacuum. It keeps things cleaner and the tool cooler. I have one of those Porter Cable armadillo sanders, they run hot, the vacuum keeps it cooler.

I love my Makita belt sander. I’ve had it for many years now and can’t do without its versatility and reliability. The bigger the job the happier it is.

I bought a belt sander 35+ years ago. I rarely used it, but I did have a need for it last year. I needed to smooth the rough side of some cedar planks for an outdoor project. It worked great. If I had a planer I’d have tried that first, but I don’t have one. I can’t imagine using the belt sander on furniture or cabinetry, but it has its uses.

Gotta strongly disagree with you on this one. Belt sanders are great tools if, and it's a big if, you have learned how to use one and only use for the tasks it was designed for. I also use a scrub plane and they are also great tools. Not only does using a belt sander require skill but it often requires quite a bit o strength to hold it in the correct position and apply just the right amount of force. I have often used them when installing laminate countertops to fit against a wall. You just scribe a line and then etch the line so you have a firm point to sand to. The belt sander works great to remove the material up to the line. The etched line is easy to see and also easy to see when you get to it. You are sanding the laminate as well as a couple layers of particle board. Wouldnt work with a scrub plane. It's also easy to take a little more off of the substrate than the laminate if you can hold the belt sander in the correct position. I dont know of another tool that would easily do this job. It is also very easy to screw things up if you dont have the skills required to use a belt sander this way.

If you need to remove a bit of stock on a rough project, belt sanders fit the bill. Every tool has it's place. I agree that a belt sander is definitely not for fine work.

I do have one favorite use for a belt sander. I have the small Porter Cable one that looks like a little armadillo. I use it for cutting scribes when installing cabinets. It’s easily held with one hand and quickly cuts a scribe to a precise line. But yes, years ago I bought a Stanley #6 and converted it to a scrub plane, and yes, with a razor sharp edge. it’s almost always the first plane I go to.

I did this on my Shelton jack plane many decades ago and made a jig to sharpen it to a fare-thee-well on Japanese water stones. I marveled at the damage co-workers did with belt sanders and power planes. Don't get me started...

would be halarious if someone bought him a belt sander for the holidays 🤣😂🤣

Hey Stumpy, thanks! I've had a spare #5 plane for years during which time I've often thought of turning it into a scrub plane. Watching you do it right in front of my eyes was just what I needed to finally do it. I agree it's a great alternative to a belt sander.

I love your sense of humor! I've always wanted a belt sander, but I don't do enough woodworking to justify buying one. And the only plane I have is a little tiny one, 3.5" x 1.25". I just used it to shave off a high spot on some 1/2" plywood.

One of the old timers I was apprenticing with over 30 years ago swore by cambered irons for hogging material. It comes in really handy especially when you work out of your van at peoples homes as I do .

I did this to a cheap No.4 about 20 years ago. It's hard to get it maximally sharp. But I use an old Dad tip to get the thing razor sharp: An old 20cm felt wheel on a stationary motor, filled with rouge. The rouge wheel at high speed pushes enough metal around to get an amazing finish, and removes burrs nicely.

Holy crap! Thank you for this video. I got into woodworking a few years ago now and I inherited my grandfather's tools. One of the hand planes I was given had this curve on the blade and I couldn't figure out why it was not straight across. I thought it was super weird and was never able to ask him, but now I know why. 😊

My belt sander has custom convex platerns; belts for aluminum, belts for steel, gets into concave spaces with the roller, , etc. So 1) your point is a good one re the scrub plane. 2) thank you for dropping prices and making a whole lot more 2nd hand belt sanders available.

Au Contraire Mr. Nubs. I use a belt sander to surface boards for fine furniture all the time. You just have to know how to use it. First, I use a big one, 4X24, Porter Cable, 120 grit, because it has a large platen and really good dust collection. The secret is, that you never stop it on the board or change direction while it is touching the surface of the board. This means that you put it down and pick it up at each end of every stroke. It's much like painting the surface of the board with the sander. (Finish the surface by hand sanding with 150, 180, and 220 grit.) Now, it does take some strength because you're constantly picking up a heavy machine, but in sum total, electric power is removing a layer of wood rather than muscle power. The second advantage, and this is the big one, is that belt sanders don't "tear out". Take a beautiful plank of walnut or mahogany with wavy grain and its risky business to go at it with even the sharpest plane.

I actually bought that HF plane a couple of months ago to see what it was and how it worked. I was surprised it already had a cambered iron, and I realized I could use it to improve the faces of some pallet wood I had. It works great, and I wasn't worried if I hit a nail... plus no sparks to end up in my dust collection bin.

Started out using a belt sander for wood working before finally turning to a hand plane when I made my own kayak paddles and it turns out that I absolutely love using it. Most tools are a means to an end for me (a lot of hobby people do projects for the doing, I do them to get them done, which isn't to say I hate the process, but I would rarely make things if I didn't want things to my own designs), but I actually enjoy using a hand plane. This is a great suggestion, though, as it opens up the possibilities for use. I still use the belt sander, though, as I work with all kinds of material and they still have their place, if not nearly so often (and I use it outdoors).

I have a jack plane I've had for the longest time, I didn't love the blade iron it came with (used and bent 2mm~), and got a nice 3mm blade. It needed a little bit of filing to fit it, and now I got the 3mm blade that works as regular and 2mm blade I've sharpened with a camber and it gets a bigger mouth, which is great for hogging out more wood.

The belt sander was my dad's favorite tool. I have so many of his projects that gave the tell tail flat spots or dips that the sander will leave. I keep it to remember him but also to either remove paint or some nasty work in home remodeling.

Perfect timing. I have Cherry slabs I need to make much thinner. I got rid of my belt sander years ago because it was too difficult to use after a back injury. THIS I can do 👍🏼.

Did this with an old wooden yard sale plane. Works great. Thanks for all the great info!

I have used a cambered plane to flatten my bench. Worked great. My 30 year old Craftsman belt sander did the rest.

I have used one to plane flat a exhaust manifold port on a truck engine that kept blowing the gasket on just one cylinder ! saved a lot of money did not have to completely remove it .

Agree about the hand planes flattening ability, I also use my trusty spokeshave,( both flat and radius irons) for many wood shaping tasks when you need finer control. I use my belt-sander to sharpen my axes and lawn mower blades.

I get what you’re saying, and I actually like your idea. There’s plenty of times I’d rather have a modified hand plane on hand than make a dusty mess. But there’s a ton of uses for a belt sander that just couldn’t be replaced by a plane.

Oh man this is a touchy topic! I know woodworkers who won’t touch them, and other high end fine furniture makers who use them every day. I don’t use mine regularly but for coping a base cabinet or an end panel to the floor or a belt sander works very well for me. For sanding glue ups I rarely use mine but everyone is different. I think I may add a camber plane to my line up as well

I was lucky and found a buyer for my Porter Cable belt sander when I sold off a lot of stuff before my big move. In all honesty, I hadn't used it for many years before I sold it for the exact reasons you stated. I have a plane that will fit the bill perfectly because my jointer is only 8 inches and it's time consuming to set up the CNC for something that could be knocked off with that plane. Thanks for a great video.

YOUR IDEA IS MUCH MORE WORK THAN NECESSARY......

For shaping metal parts a Belt Sander is fabulous, and is great for stripping thick paint, massaging certain forms, and grinding down things that would take hours with other methods. Ii love my belt sander.

I agree - I figured out early on that belt sanders blow. The only thing I've used mine for in the last 10 years is shaving down a couple of doors.

🌲🍀🐾You're right again. I've even seen extremely exaggerated very rounded blades (make & sharpen them yourself) in "roughing" or "scrub" planes for hogging huge amounts of stock off, basically sizing the thickness of a board. Fast as can be (because no blade corners to catch & dig in) but leaves deep "gouges". Then, you switch your smoothing & scraping planes😎🐾🍀🌲.

It has its uses in a honegamer's shop, I use my sander clamped to the workbench for lack of a stationary one for shaping and tweaking small parts, especially on end grain.

Yep I've destroyed some good work with a belt sander, never again. I never thought of this, though, and I thank you for the advice. I'm going to give this a go!

I used my belt sander to take the planner milled surface off 2x lumber, used on outdoor projects, so it would take a stain better. It was faster than the 1/2 sheet rectangle sander I had at the time.

I make a custom cabinetry from 1989 and bels sander I use just for adjust the scribes during installation or sometimes in distressed furniture projects. That's it.

You're right, I do have a belt sander and it has only been used on a few metal projects( sander clamped upside down) since I gouged the heck out of the first wood project I used it on! I have been wanting to grind a camber on one of my planes for quite some time and this video will cause me to actually do it! I have recently purchased a guide similar to the one you used in the video and have been putting consistent edges on several planes. Thanks for another great video.

I just finished belt sanding the hardwood floors of an entire room thru 3 grits. It worked excellent.

i have three. but i admit i do not use them too much anymore. I used to use them to take off a lot of wood, and then follow up with a random orbital sander. But i have learned to take very thin passes with my electric hand planer now, and it generates a ton less dust and mess. i do keep the belt sander aroundfor things like metal working now.

I make a lot of projects out of construction grade SPF, and dimensioning it with a hand plane of any stripe tears the sxxt out of it. Then I get out my belt sander and try to fix the damage I’ve done. Word to your mother.

I swear by a 4x24 belt sander for many tasks when it comes to cabinet making and installs but I will agree this is a better option for some tasks you showed like flattening a large surface. For things like that I do usually rough with a plane first before finishing up with sanders but I've never seen this cambered plane blade before, I'll have to give that a try next time I'm using a plane for that purpose. I learned to use a belt sander in high school, then in my first job at a cabinet shop quickly found out I had no idea how to use them properly. Just like hand planes, a belt sander has it's own set of nuanced skills to use it well without destroying your work. I'm not much good with planes beyond roughing but thanks to my time in that shop I'm very handy at belt sanding.

I'm not sure I will start using a hand plane but I did stop using my belt sander years ago. I agree with you about that. Belt sanders are terrible. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂

I was turning a 10 ft porch post and needed to even out two of the four sides of the square end. I couldn't use a hand plane in the orientation needed and I didn't have bench space for the large post to use the hand plane. The belt sander did the job. I agree on using a scrub plane for stock removal, but circumstances sometimes dictate the tool.

I love my belt sander! ...I mounted it into a stand and made it into a nice bench sander, because I long ago realised there's no use for it in my hands. Between handplanes, cabinet scrapers, an orbital sander and an electric planer, I already have too many surfacing tools and all of them are better than a handheld belt sander.

Wow. A belt sander is an incredible tool. My belt sanders get so much use and I find most people just have absolutely no clue on how to use them properly because It does require skill.

I love my belt sander. It has served me well for many projects. The key to happiness here is the attachment of a vacuum hose. But if someone can direct me to a factory-made cambered iron, I will buy one, and a hand plane. I don't have the necessary tools to make my own.

I have an old wooden plane from my great grandfather with blade just like you describe. My father always called it a ‘“scrub” plane. Works just as you describe.