Yes, I agree.

When you pull your filter after overnight and it has zero oil in it, you can pretty much assume it’s not working. Not all filters hold oil overnight, that’s my point. Some will work fine with a warm engine restart, but some bleed out overnight and that’s when your engine cops a beating! Thx

After your car sits overnight take the oil filter off and you will see it will be completely empty. It will need to refill again before you get any oil pressure

WIX filters are just as good my bro as long as you are religious with oil changes. Do you know something I don't know 👀 ?

@@R00567 i prefer to use Genuine parts.With never a problem doing so.👍

Subaru doesn't make oil filters.. Jokes on you

The “safe” way is paying for OEM; it’s not the only or “best” way. These days it seems the price gap is narrowing though.

@@TTime685 i have only ever used Genuine Subaru oil filters (black) from my Authorised Subaru dealer 👍

What's a couple dollars more on an oil filter compared to the price of a new engine?

Good reply, only thing is, some inferior brands leak down overnight leading to your engine running dry for a few seconds! Seems to me Subaru had a good design with it on the bottom of the engine. Why change something that works? Thx for your input

@@ygtotbj I think for a few reasons they changed the location of the oil filter to the top of the engine. For one, it's easier to change the filter. For two, it gets really hot down there by the exhaust system and can contribute to higher oil temperatures. I have also heard of damage to the oil filter from flying rocks or road debris. The filters are pretty small for an engine that size, and some people are putting slightly longer filters in such as the RX-8 filter which makes the problem even worse. You can still prefill the filter, but you must hold your finger over the center hole and quickly get the filter on the threads to prevent loss of oil.

Even with a drain back valve the oil will flow through the filter and back down the center hole. Take your filter off after sitting all night and it will be empty. Even with a drain back valve. Upside down filter was a serious engineering fuckup by Subaru.

Thank you for your comments. I had a 2004 Toyota Prado with 3.0 1KZTE engine before buying this Forester. It to had an upside down filter. Every time I changed the filter, oil would pour out into the drain collector and then out the bottom drain line. This told me that this filter was always primed. Not so with many filters fitted to Subarus! BTW, the Toyota Prado or whatever other name they call them around the world is good for 1 million kms before an engine replacement.😀

Same in the winter time I'll use clear flood mode for a couple of seconds.

Yes, these engines had a factory ring problem, my point is that this is a new engine slowly being killed again by shit oil filters. Thx

@@echardcore good idea to stick with OEM filters if you've got a warranty going.

I have 1978 Corona and never heard of that issue, haven’t had an issue other with oil pressure

What was the reason people were removing them, if you recall? Seems like a weird thing to do, can't imagine it would increase performance.

@@euroker05 our 05 Toyota 4Runner with a V6 also has the oil filter on top.

The turbo engines are more traditional in that the filters are only accessible from the underside of the vehicle. The N/A's sure look convenient to oil change though, lol. Edit to add: In both cases its worth it to go out of your way and get OEM Roko oil filters, made in Japan. They are pretty easy to track down online and while they are usually smaller than most US filters their filter medium quality exceeds ours and they are, again by virtue of being OEM, quite literally engineered for the engines.

​@@craigstege6376 FA24 have top filters

The engine stopped making the start up rattle after I changed the filter for an anti drain back type. Also, the noise was not a timing chain, you could literally hear most rotating components running dry for a second or two. Not all of after market filters that claim to have anti drain back internal valves actually work! The video is to make people aware that they may very well be killing there engines during start. Thanks for your comments. Cheers

I don’t know why, maybe they don’t care, or maybe the factory fitted filter is the correct one and people are fitting the incorrect filter. I do know that 90% of engine wear is during a start. Having no oil feed for a second or to will definitely reduce engine life big time. Thx for your comments.

because they don't think people are stupid enough to save 5$ on a filter?

The FA20 oil filters DO also have anti drain back valves. You had better make sure any aftermarket filters you use have them. Personally, I only use OEM or WIX.

Not all filters are created equal! It would seem I’m not the only person who has had the exact fault reading through these comments. Some filters don’t hold the oil overnight even though they are advertised as anti drain back filters. Thx

@@ygtotbj You are arguing about nothing. Checking the valve takes a few seconds. Install only those filters which have a 100% good valve. But I highly doubt the problem you are trying to solve is the valve.

Nope not every filter

@@ygtotbj well then dont say "you need an oil filter with an anti drain back valve". Literally states on the SCA website that it does have what youre talking about, instead tell everyone in the video that you need a "high quality" oil filter that will actually hold oil.

@@190daes OK, mate. Making people aware was my intention. Being word perfect is yours. Congrads

No worries mate

Engine rattling on start up, not for me, no oil pressure for 1-2 seconds, not for me, expensive overhaul, not for me $$$$!

@@ygtotbjMy point was that the oil filter you removed had the anti drain back feature. My 2jz was probably piston slap not oil pressure related. I agree no oil pressure is bad but also remember it will take a second or so to start building oil pressure.

@@briantii All I know is filter I’m using now holds the oil pressure on start after overnight standing. For me, it’s not about brand but what, in the real world works. Thanks for your comments.

@@ygtotbj Ah well that's good then. Must have been defective after all "SCA = Super Cheap Auto" right? 😂

@@briantii lmao, my point exactly. It makes it seem like in the video that he's calling out SCA and saying that the brand is shit, when in reality he just needs to say "buy a high quality oil filter".

No, unfortunately many automotive suppliers still use the older part number oil filter for the ej25 series engines. These models have a timing belt with filter underneath the engine so is always full of oil. Models with the filter on top (timing chain) engines need an anti drain back filter. And there goes thousands of miles/ kilometers of engine wear every time you start that engine!

@@ygtotbjthis is interesting. didn’t know that.

​@@ygtotbjYou can also use clear flood mode starting to prime the oiling system until the oil pressure light goes off, then release accelerator and start like normal. This should be part of your oil change routine anyways.

No, not all. If you use the part numbers used for the EJ25 engines (filter underneath, it doesn’t require anti drain back as it’s always full of oil. Don’t use this on top upside down!

It was happening to this engine in the morning when the car had been left overnight. This was making the engine wear factor even worse, as when the engine is cold the Subaru ECU high idle auto choke kicks in and revs are high with no oil feed for 2 seconds. Not good!

Depends if you are using factory filters or the correct alternative part number. Also, if you filter is on top of your engine. An engine rattle on start might be a hint!

Went away when I changed the filter 😀

The older Volvo 240's had goofy filter set-up. BUT, I won't say anything bad about them, my old wagon had well over 300,000 miles with not a single engine issue.

Yep, nice dog pic btw 😀

Good point mate 👍

Regular oil changes and good coolant will keep them going a long time. And yes, I agree, if you rev the crap of it and don’t keep up the maintenance it won’t last. I’ve seen a few Foresters here in Aus 2012 with $500000 kms. So they can get there if you look after them. Cheers

I have a 2012 with 174000 km, and it is still running smooth. Apart from the standard valve cover oil leak, very minimal. If you respect the maintenance they last and won't let you down.

Completely disagree. Try listening to your engine running dry for 2 seconds on startup when cold. An incorrect filter will wear and kill your engine over multiple cold starts. Thx

@@ygtotbj My engine is 11 years old. Still alive and doesn't consume a drop of oil over my 25000 kms drain intervals.

No engine is “dry” on startup. Ever get oil on your hands and try to wipe it off without soap? Same thing happens to everything in the engine. The clattering you hear on startup is the valve rockers before oil pressure gets to the rocker shaft. Those aren’t “dry” either, they have a residual film of oil on them so they won’t be damaged by running for the two seconds it takes for the oil to get there. Maybe I missed it in the video but what damage did the engine have before you bought it? I guarantee it wasn’t from an oil filter but a lack of maintenance

You could be right, I gave the auto parts shop my VIN and that’s what I got. It has however, solved my problem of no oil feed at startup after sitting overnight. A lot of filters with so called “built in Anti Drain Back” features will drain out overnight which is what will kill your engine slowly the next morning! Thx

Maybe, but not all filters hold the oil overnight. I went through two that didn’t and was told they were the correct part numbers. The 3rd fixed the problem.

@@ygtotbj My filters are always empty when i remove them 20-30 minutes after shutting off the engine. And are full after 5 minutes. It's easy to see on a Subaru engine when you unscrew the filter. So the anti drain back doesn't help in this regard and doesn't keep the oil inside the filter. Also you can easily check if your ADBV works before installing the filter. You don't need to try many filters. Just check if it works.

Yeah you can go to any dealership and get an oem subaru filter for like 7$ and the oem oil as well if you want

Unfortunately cost about $30 for the OEM filters in Aus 🤦‍♂️

@ygtotbj Dang you can get them here in the US for around 15 bucks.

​@@dorianleclair7390 ... Auzzie dollars vs US dollars. Some ppl also use the Mazda RX-8 filters, but since it is another OEM piece, it too is probably pricy unless you go third party like Ryoco

No they don’t, some will leak out overnight. If you look at my short video you will see me removing a filter after over night. No oil in it. My Toyota 1kzte engine filters would always leak a lot of oil out into the drain when removing them. Proof that they always held oil and oil light would go out straight away. Not so with all Subaru oil filters. Thx

The fram ones are the blue ones. Here in the great white north (Canada), we have the Subaru black version. Which is the JDM version.

Thanks mate. This wasn’t an engine overhaul video, that was done before I purchased it. Just trying to help people out on a positive vibe😀

It does make you wonder, you still have to get underneath to drain the oil.. so why put the filter upside down on the top?

Hey my 4th gen 4runner has the filter located similar to this. Definitely less messy than upside down.

​@@ygtotbjI could change my old 240 Volvo wagon from under the hood. 300,000+ miles and never touched the motor.

Yes, engine has 10000 kms on it, $7k worth of rebuild.. new crank, new cases, new cams, new heads… starts nice and quiet with correct oil filter. Bargain I reckon… $5.5K 😀

@@mickbrumer you can pre-fill the filter, just stick your finger over the center hole until you get the filter lined up and right above the threaded mount. Then quickly put the filter on the threads, you may lose the small amount but not much.

Where do you live? It’s twice that in Tucson

​@@garyhecksel4809Same here in S Indiana. Bought this Forester new 3 years ago. It's one quirky vehicle! Never had so much trouble with a new vehicle before. We'll never buy another Subaru.

I’m driving over from Aus to your service center… might get a little wet on the way 😀

My local Subaru dealership wants over $200 for an oil change, they're rip off artists

​@glennkon it cost me $73 here in Ohio for my '21 Crosstrek Limited @ the Dealership.

Yes, good advice.. not always given or available from your local automotive store if no Subaru dealerships near by!

Unfortunately, I understand your frustration…. Such a great handling vehicle but …

I have a 56 F100!