Goyard used to be part of the quiet luxury back then because their handbags looked so basic (and cheap) you couldn't tell it was actually expensive. Now it's part of mainstream, I barely see the elite use it except the suitcases.

@@SaffariRose This is So true about the Goyard bags, and then around 2010, I started seeing them proliferate in NYC.

@@hellobecky84 Right!? It's lost its' exclusivity now. And I know not all the bags we see are the original ones (especially the ones I see carried on the subway) but unlike the the obviously fake LV bags, even the Goyard bags without the logo are now been counterfeited because everyone knows it's supposed to be an elite brand.

What brands did they wear?

I believe it

yes exactly! there's a derogatory term used for those type of individuals as they're referred to as the 'nouveau riche'

No I think he was doing that more as a caricature rather than feeling the actual need to impress. To him, it’s more like a costume than an outfit. Most of the times he’s dressed very quiet, so I don’t think dressing up that way is his way of impressing people. He’s been around old money long enough to know better.

Emmm

@@malcatt i like jewellery sue me

@@malcatt parvy, short for parvenu I heard

And what the Roys wear is not quiet luxury at all. They are new money, who flaunts their wealth with designer clothes. Old money & quiet luxury is the Pierce family

@@kk44444 100% I loved the episode where both families met at the Piece’s mansion. Their colour palette reminds me a lot of Northern Italy.

You have a keen eye! One small addition to your comment if I may, the Irish technically isn’t WASP(white Anglo-Saxon Protestant), but nowadays that term can be very misused when younger people talk about fashion aesthetics! :)

Furthermore, Logan is Scottish, not Irish. But I believe they were popular there too

Well this was awful

@@harriet.z She didn't actually say that Irish was WASP. She correctly stated that this knitwear originates in Ireland, and also that they were popular among WASP types in New England, which is true.

Yes! During my PhD I met this guy who used to wear old T-shirts with literally holes in them. At the beginning I thought he was a weirdo in a good non pretentious way, or that he was overdoing the "I don't care about clothes" attitude of the scientific community. Then he said he used to not bring anything with him when he travelled, but a bunch of money in his pockets. That was weird. And, finally, we found out he was the son of super wealthy parents. Since then, I don't necessarily consider T-shirts with holes non-pretentious 😆

I think Gerri's outfits were my favorites. Her jewelry collection is just incredible

I love that term, camouflage!

Right! And of all of these series about rich people Succession did best! It shows exactly how wealth isn't just what you wear, but how you present yourself and what you wear to the world.

100%

There's still plenty of billionaires / multi millionaires that still go for cheap fashion items though

@@randomchannel323 undeniably, there's so much varity in people so I don't allow what I commented to be stagnant truth life is dynamic

Or it could be a sign that she is too frazzled with the fight against her father to bother styling her hair?

I think it could also be the divorce…Shiv’s been looking really exhausted lately

@@sharontalbot8037 @nanana1643 I think I would more agree with what you guys have written, let's see how she's styled post episode 3 😬

They actually make comic use of that, when Roman and shiv make fun of Tom's agricultural walk. It is funny but mean and Tom snaps at shiv.

I think it actually makes greg their first cousin once removed.

I don’t think Tom came from a poor family though. Maybe upper middle class, remember at the wedding when his parents kept reminding everyone that they paid for the wine. I think he grew up with enough money to realize he wanted even more.

@@Sophia-tv7kg Did not mean to imply that Tom came from a "poor" family, although the income is not nearly the level as that of the Roys. I do remember that Tom's Mother and maybe is Father, too, is an attorney. Perhaps, the series will explore a little more about Tom's background as he seems to have survival skills in society's upper echelon that go a little beyond being married to Shiv.

@@annkey4091 Exactly. Upper middle class can have A LOT of money but they don’t have wealth.

extremely grateful for ur comment!!!

Clearly, I'm a work in progress, but thanks for the correction. Interesting experience you had being surrounded by wealthy individuals trying their best to hide their money. Your comment about them wearing dirty sneakers reminds of those extremely torn shoes that Balenciaga made that was valued at about $1,850. Personally, I enjoyed most of Shiv's looks thus far. Though I can agree with you that the Roys aren't old money. The real rich media family definitely has to be the Pierce's as seen with how the power dynamic is illustrated between their family and the Roys.

Fit doesn’t exemplify apparels worth. There are quality designer brands that are saggy and boxy, not all luxury brands go for the “wear 4 sizes smaller” look.

@@RizztrainingOrder I don't believe fit exemplifies worth. Anything can fit any way at any price. Clearly, Shiv isn't wearing Walmart clothes. But those saggy, boxy designs are easily found at lower priced stores so can often be associated with them as they are accessible to more people. I didn't mention size at all.

@@malcatt Those Balenciaga shoes. So crass, gross, and mean. Maybe they were trying to pull off the "so rich I don’t care" aesthetic, but all it did was mock poverty. The people I knew would actually wear out their own shoes, and it was usually Adidas or Puma. At least one guy even held his together with duct tape. I think they would also disdain the torn up Balenciagas as being inauthentic the same way they gave up ripped jeans when they began to be popular.

@@ajae... Woah! No need to attack me with kindness and gentle patience by correctly explaining why I’m wrong! That’s so cruel!

happy to see you come through, thank you!

Wth. Loro Piana is very much old money. The craftsmanship story of their wool products alone gives them that. The caps can be a piece for targeting new money, but a coat, definitely not. Their craftsmen are renowned for the extremely high quality standards

@@ameliatorres6162 That perception of Loro Piana is largely a result of clever marketing. Loro Piana is an old company but (like everything LVMH touches) they've been transformed into a highly-visible brand which aims to maximize profits at the expense of culture. Its once aristocratic image has been diminished over time.

I wouldnt say it is exclusive anymore. Once the influencers start to wear it.. it is over (the ugly flat shoes).

@@ameliatorres6162 before all the marketing bullshit, Loro Piana and Brunello were popular only among Russian oligarchs and mafia.

The materials used and the skill. A lot of those goods are made by tradesmen and women not factory employees. Like I can tell Logan wears a lot of Aran sweaters. Those are like standard uniform of Old money Americans. They aren't "expensive" but they are hand made and only come from the Aran Islands. It's a) an indicator you value quality b) you're knowledgeable about things outside of where you live. Stealth wealth isn't necessarily about things being expensive per se but choosing items based on their functions and longevity. These clothes are high quality but very conservative. You can literally inspect the weave on these items and feel the difference. The seams are very tight and are less prone to tearing. These are the clothes that years from now end up in consignment whereas fast fashion often ends up in the trash because they're made of thin materials. There was a time when ALL clothing was made with quality but when sweatshops became the norm, this took jobs away from tailors and seamstresses and those jobs became "luxury" if you live in other countries where seamstresses are still a common profession for women, you can still have a wardrobe made from scratch and it won't cost you a lot. Most Americans buy off the rack=poor. That's not true in Ghana or Nigeria where hand made is the tradition.

@@FlutterMouse So, they are durable.

@@AT-rr2xw yes

@@FlutterMouse All right. I have a cap that is pretty cheap and not necessarily something to look at, but it still works to block the sun from my eyes when I need it. I hope that the caps that the Roys wear are at least 50 times as durable as my cap.

@A T for the women's hats . Usually they last a long time. I don't know as much about the men's clothes. I have a woven beach hat I bought over 10 years ago that's still in good shape. It's was 40 plus dollars. My mother keeps insisting I replace it but the cap she bought to replace it was incredibly cheap and looked like it. Stealth wealth doesn't mean just clothes. It means you live a very obscure lifestyle that doesn't overtly indicate you have money but upon further inspection you do. I think stealth wealth in the context is definitely a marketing term to get poorer people to engage in more conspicuous consumption that in return will actually drive down the prestige of those goods. Brand recognition is supposed to be a BAD thing . So it's usually not going to necessarily be "designer" just good tailoring. The more people try the ape the wealthy, the more the wealthy will stop buying those. goods. Everyone knows Gucci and Chanel. Only some know Dubarry or Karen Millen. This even goes down to things like food. Wealthy people are not going out to eat at 5 star restaurants every day. That's not realistic. But their refrigerators at home are comparatively empty. That's because unlike regular people who often stress out over wasting food or taking advantage of a good deal. Rich people buy exactly what they will actually need to eat. I used to visit a lot of my rich friends houses. Their refrigerators weren't full of expired salad dressings and old cracker boxes. Who needs to hoard food when prices don't effect you like that?

didnt she oppress your ancestors personally and hold you back in life personally? Isnt that the tude towards whitey?

You clearly do not understand the purpose of the show lol

@@lothropstoddardiii6231 You sound like you are afraid of the Black man.

oop i've been made it's definitely something I'm still trying to work on so hoping to improve on that!

Depop :)

Could not agree more! They probably wear it once and throw it out!

​@@sharontalbot8037I've never met or known anyone as wealthy as the Roy's. I've known some rather wealthy people though. They oftentimes dress in unassuming but very finely made pieces. They don't wear things once and throw them away. One of them, a 40 sth old man that gained weight in the recent years, kept his old suits and handed them to his eldest son. The suits were obviously in great shape, that's the luxury of paying for top quality and caring greatly of your clothes. Not all rich people are showy, and not all of them are wasteful with everything. (That same man I mentioned earlier would spend money as if nothing in restaurants, casinos and the likes. It's just that finely made clothing items that looked good were not something disposable for him)

Sounded like someone that isn't rich. The way you see things now will be very different when you become a millionaire. You can't make a certain amount of money without it affecting your mindset in very little and seemingly unobvious ways

Quality does matter when you have money. So I wouldn't shop from Target.

Its not as necessary nowadays but you still need to look the part,especially if you come from a poor background or you will be rejected or mocked.

Yes, love her

considered talking about Roman up until I read up on what Michelle Matland (the costume designer) had to say about his style in an interview with Vogue Australia. She said in the article "I think that only Roman probably maintains his exactness, because I think of all of them he’s not concerned, really, with how he looks in that way. He understands himself in that facet. In many others, he does not and he’s confused on so many levels, but I think [he’s just going] about his business".

excuse my butchered pronunciation 😅