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I just can't believe there's people who still defend this game. There's a few nuggets of goodness in it, but overall it's just a rotten mess.

I love how Harley Quinn was giving this big speech to Batman on how’s he’s the problem and how he’s the bad one in this situation.i guess she forgot how she was joker right hand man during the asylum riot,a lot of innocent guards died,dr young died,in city she helped joker get his poisoned blood to the hospitals,she helped joker to mentally manipulate a man who lost his daughter to build a amusement park and then kill him………… no no no Batman is clearly the problem here

The problem is that you kill all the Justice League expecting us to feel sad but we don’t know most of them in this universe we only knew Batman

For a game that had so much flashing bright colours on the screen- I’ve never been so bored playing

This game could have been the greatest game ever if you Saved the Justice League and it set up a sequel to play as the Justice League.

Yeah this game was doomed to fail from the very beginning in my opinion.

Clones or not people are made about the treatment of the justice league because it's part of a larger trend that's been going on for a while now. People are tired of seeing their favorite heroes being humiliated.

Even if they pull the clones twist, it still doesn’t fix how stupid the Justice League and downright brain dead Superman was to trust Brainiac. It doesn’t change that Wonder Woman DID die since she was never captured. Doesn’t undo that Metropolis was destroyed with all its citizens turned into monsters or dead. And it doesn’t change that the freaking Suicide Squad managed to defeat a supposedly cloned Justice League but also Brainiac while they couldn’t. There’s no fixing this outside of literally wiping it from canon.

Rocksteady and WB really lost a lot of good faith with this one didn't they? Hope it was worth it for them. The game is already dead.

"I want to play as Green Lantern.... I want to play as Superman...." Me: Technically theres also DCUO "In a GOOD video game" Me: nvm

I just finished reading the last issue of the tie in comic and it ends with a note saying the game is on sale but I'm more surprised that it didn't say "Please somebody buy this game and play it, we know it's hated so pretty much nobody is playing it but please somebody buy it, we're desperate".

They should have put batman in wonder woman place and how the justice league member died was just wrong Especially disrespectful to arkham batman

I am so sorry you had to endure this bad game that was the death of rocksteady studios and the Arkhamverse.

Even if they are clones. Allegedly batman killed Robin. How would Bruce deal with the fact a clone of him killed his allies

After I got all the achievements for the game, I got rid of it immediately. I don't recommend anyone to play this game. Avoid it.

Still to this day who in their right mind agreed to make the game a live service. Why it's completely embarrassing. The dialogue is awful, these weird innuendo doesn't make you laugh sometimes it's downright disturbing. When harley called ivy fun sized & when she literally sexually assaulted Floyd when he told her not too. Like no, a lot of the boss fights makes zero amount of sense. I hope this game dies, I hope WB learns their lesson. Were they on crack making this game that's the only option. Oh brother help us,Thanks for the vid Jay & Jill & Nate God bless you all.

this game gave arkham batman the most disrespectful death ever bro. this game should have never even been thought of

Hey jay, good video…I’m sorry you had to experience this piece of garbage, 😅 hope you recover soon, but fr have a good day

This “Game” is a complete insult to WB, DC, the Arkhamverse, Kevin Conroy’s Legacy, the Fans, and most of all Video Games that its main purpose is to Entertain Others to a Escapism, this should have been either a Justice League, Superman, or a Batman Beyond Game and honestly SM2, MK1, and Multiversus are much better than SSKTJL because just for the Title who ask for this? Literally Nobody, this is the Perfect Example of What you shouldn’t do in a Video Game and every single DLC gets Dropped the More it will Failed to Rocksteady’s Inevitable Downfall.

If we’re being honest the suicide squad movies were trash too 😂

I'm newer. The fans know what we want, but yet we always get ignored

Wait so how does me, an out and proud gay man, fit into the "Harley is for the male gaze and objectification" point from these wackados, cause I loved how beautiful and unapologetic she was with her body in the Arkham games. Like am I now straight or is there some Olympic gold level mental gymnastics that excuses that?

To be blunt, when the CW did a better job with an evil Batman in like 10 minutes than an entire games as a service game, that is absolutely bad.

Note to self: DON'T join forces with Sweet Baby Inc...

“Who’s this game made for?” Themselves

Killing The Justice League isn't bad. Its that the deaths sucked! Lego dc villains did a better job at the same idea.

No disagreement here. I want a Spider man 2 review cause I know I have disagreements and would love to hear your thought process.

I hate this game

23:48 Jon Stewart isn’t a “space cop”. He’s in The Green Lantern Corp. 32:21 and, it’s straight up sexual assault. Rocksteady should be ashamed of glorifying sexual assault.

This game is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my entire life. Not just for being a terrible live service, but also for how it's full of atrocious writing not just for the plot, but also the characters. The Squad in this game are some of the most unlikable characters I can imagine in fiction with maybe the exception of King Shark, but even he suffers from being a rip off of Drax....But what's the most insufferable about this game is how it completely disrespects everything about the Batman Arkham series. It didn't just kill off Batman in the most disrespectful way possible, it also character assassinated him by having him show his face to the public again after he disappeared in Arkham Knight to keep his family and Gotham safe. Even during the final months leading up to the game, I was expecting it to be the most insulting video game since The Last of Us Part 2. (Though KTJL could be worse, who knows.) I unfortunately heard tiny spoilers of how the Justice League are treated and that made me decide to watch the game on KZfaq instead of playing it. I'm sorry if I sound toxic and honestly I'm rarely this angry with anything fictional, even if it's something I really dislike. But KTJL is something special to me in a very terrible way....And I already had so much distaste in my mouth from CW Flash. It'll be shocking if this game is still alive by the end of the year judging by the amount of players it has.

I got the platinum trophy for this game a month ago and my god it was a miserable grind from start to finish. I don't recommend it at all! The only thing I like about this game is the traversal with the suicide squad but that's it. 😅

The saddest part is the closest thing to a justice league game is in the Lego games wb doesn’t deserve dc

16:07 the problem is, they didn't move on from arkham games, i think the problem began, when they tried to rebuild for the ashes of arkham knight but they chose to do it in wrong way

it makes me so sad because I was one of the people who loved the path the story was going towards. Taking Bruce out of his isolation through the Justice League, and using that as a way to start a new chapter in the Arkham-Verse. There's so much I love about this idea. For one, The greater DC Universe is the other half to Batman's character. We explored the Bat-family and Batman's world which is his first half, then extending the story by introducing the rest of the DC Universe as Batman's next chapter? Bruce's friendship with Clark, Diana, the Justice League, Zatanna, Arrow and Canary, etc etc is always so interesting, and is what makes him a huge part of the greater DC Universe. Bruce being in complete isolation is not growth for his character, and doesn't represent who Batman is supposed to grow to be through his hero's journey. They had all the pieces there to make this work, but the gameplay is what killed it. It feels very bare bones, and nothing like how a Suicide Squad game should play. It's just depressing lmao

I personally think the whole game was a letdown that had the potential to be far better than it was. The city was great but even the riddles fell short of prior games. I just am not sure how rocksteady managed to flounder here.

I wouldn't hate this game as much if the four people they used to kill them were different and it made sense

tbh the game play was fun but the story was ass

As a game SSKTJL is bottom of the barrel. Just following terrible trends that are outdated and suffered because of that

The only bad things I hate about the game is all that unnecessary shit be on the screen, too many colors, enemies are weak af, could’ve had more boss fights other than the justice league, boss fights were mid but all the Arkham games boss fights were expect origins. The story isn’t horrible but the ending was goofy and weird af

Teen titans vs justice league the heros struggling to try and kill the mentors type stuff a teen titans game would be great and facing the justice league being controlled by ravens dad. Something like that. Maybe have suicide squad be sent in and you have to save them

Got my popcorn ready for this one 🍿

I’m just sick of the narrative of how “Heroes are the REAL villains & villains are just misunderstood heroes”, seriously any project that has that narrative instantly turns me away

This game legit makes me look at Avengers & say “Perhaps I treated you too harshly”

Something you brought up during the video is that they make some immature jokes and to me it seems similar to what happened in The Last Of Us Part 2 where they included a sex scene when those have been fading out of gaming over the past few years. Some studios seemed to realize that gamer's aren't going to keep enjoying the same old material, they're going to grow up and their tastes are going to change with them. The guys who wrote this game don't seem to realize that and have to put with the negative feed back from fans who are upset that these popular heroes were turned into jokes after dying. This seems like one of those things that was done out of spite because someone hated the Arkham games despite how popular they are and DC superheroes in general so they decided to make the fans who love both of those things destroy them.

When I first heard of the concept of this game I was kind of excited. Then I saw the trailer and the gameplay, my excitement dropped to 50%. When the game finally came out in its full failure and humiliation, I couldn’t care less about it. Maybe with some heeded feedback and developer talent Rocksteady and WB can make a good DC game. I’m not hold my breath for it though.

I don’t want IDENTITY politics in my games and movies

This game will likely be retconned. If not, then Rocksteady will be pressured to do so.

I was out once the genre was specified but the saddest issue of the game even prior is the premise, not matter how much love is put into the environmental design, (the fsct rhey put Danny the Street in was superb) and character depictions it will always fall victim to the core premise feeling in bad faith. Then ontop of that using the multiverse in the laziest way possible to just bring back characters people like/absolve them of what they did it's the exact criticism the general audience love to hate. Then to piss on the grave even more with respect to characterisation like how Lois reacts to Clark's death, Lex of all characters calling out "toxic masculinity". Them seemingly having no clue what to do with John based on how lax they're with the ring's rules & Deadshot being a different guy so they use the multiverse & pair them up as rivals which ooc just felt like they wanted to pair the 2 prominent black men against each other. Really breaking new ground there, feeling like a sitcom plot Id expect to see in Simpsons or Family Guy but without the ironic humour.

So glad i didn't waste my money buying it.

Feel like so much of the vid is on politics. Or that it's just not Justice League. To me it's fine that went the squad instead. Didn't want kill jl but that's the premise fine. But this story doesn't feel like a Squad story. This isn't a focus on fighting the jl it's Brainiac. It's not a diverse roster of villains. It's not gameplay that really highlights the differences of villains. It's story ends bad so it can be live service. And it's live service model is more of the same. If we are going to off the jl make the seasons add more jl boss fights. If the games going to kill the jl have costumes that mock them or play on that because we're playing villains. Or maybe costumes that celebrate those heroes and others like we're playing a loot goblin. And speaking of loot just have better loot and gunplay. Going all guns and minimal melee is bad, but this game also lacks the diversity in weapons and gimmicks

Its amazing to me that they won't just make a basic "good guy defeats bad guy"-type game with these superheroes which people would actually like. They either keep trying to turn into something more than it is, or subvert it. I also wonder if this is also a consequence of the fact these superheroes just never end. You can only copy something so many times before it degrades, especially if you aren't keeping it simple.

I hold the belief that Brainiac actually made the game and sent it through the multiverse to us. Turns out, the 13th Brainiac will be the asshat who greenlit this game.

I think this game could've been so much better and a lot more salvaged from it had they not tried to ride the tails of the Arkham games popularity. If this game was its own unique entity, it would've been fine. Now, as it is, it feels like a slap to the face of Arkham fans because these game studios now hate single player games because they aren't micro-transaction heavy or games as service. I wish these gaming companies would remember to appeal to ALL of their fanbase and not just a select few.

“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” -Harvey Dent I wish this wasn’t the case with Batman in this game, I wish at the very least he could’ve somehow resisted the corruption near his end to really die the hero all Arkham fans know him to be. As well as to say I don’t mind the game all that much but there are some inconsistencies with it that don’t make sense, such as; Arkham Deadshot, Green Lantern’s ring, Superman and Kryptonite. I feel that some of these aspects don’t make sense to the story and we’re just used to push the story forward in their favor. Lastly, I wonder where the other usual Justice League members are in this universe and why aren’t they part of this Justice League like; Aquaman, Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, etc.

The flash is as a slow as a turtle, black Adam is extremely nerfed superman feels like a thug.

This game could be the best thing that ever happened to WB and Rocksteady if they end up course correcting and going back to make Arkham games

Considering the Suicide Squad's entire point is to be expendable, what if they let you customize your own random schmuck? It would've actually made sense for your character to have harder times fighting the super heroes, dying, etc. You could also then let the notable members still exist, maybe they could be your guide on individual missions against their respective heroes, as notable members of respective rogues galleries. Or they could've just flat out said this is an Injustice situation. Alternate Universe that drags in to help, involuntary or not. Suddenly you can explain it as 'these guys are weaker but massive multiverse threats that will come to yours if you DON'T help'. If they really want a multiverse, you can also explain new heroes/villains that didn't exist before (Character Creator time to let a player customize their playstyle, lets say using the Suicide Squad abilities as a base. If Character Created Goons could get powers, establish it being you are limited due to circumstances)

The city suit looks like the first suit you wear in knight before you get the new suit

It was so simple It was so simple ACTION ADVENTURE!!! NOT SHOOTER!!! How in the absolute world do you as game devs not REALIZE THIS when it comes to COMIC BOOK GAMES REVOLVING AROUND SUPERHEROES OR SUPERVILLAINS!!!! Plenty of video games might be hit or miss but how many of them actually pick the wrong genre? I haven't played the game but from the looks of what I've seen that's what it did.

I really wish they’d gone with they’re original idea of having the suicide happen right after Arkham origins inside of Arkham with death stroke, bizzaro, deadshot, Harley and black manta instead of whatever this was

This isn't the same Rocksteady that made batman they're all gone smh

The goat has spoken 🖤🐐

Skull and bones is in the same ship

this game made me wanna buy the arkham series and i completed all except origins (not 100% on any of them yet). Honestly Arkham Batman is peak 💯🤣🙏

deadass how does dc have money at this point

They honesty should have done an Arkham coop game where you play as the bat fam kinda like a good version of Gotham knights and add new missions every couple months

Would’ve just had them battle the crime syndicate instead. Cut out most of the shooter stuff/live service and personalize each members unique fighting style. Double the squad roster maybe add movie characters at launch and permadeath mode

My only disagreement is that I would still argue that it was disrespectful towards Kevin. Why? A. I simply do not believe for a second that these members were always meant to be clones. If that happens, it's a retcon. The games writing makes it quite clear that the player is supposed to be cheering that the league is dead. Especially when THAT scene plays out. And B. Kevin knew he wasn't going to live much longer. He more than likely just wanted to keep playing the character he loved just as much as the fans. At least for however long he had left. Many people in his shoes likely would have done the same.

The strange thing this is made before David took over and a lot of this stuff being written has to be before David so I don't know what's going on and yes I will constantly remark that David Zazoff is a terrible ceo!

I really enjoy your content. Thank you.

Im half way through the campaign and having a good time. The fast paced shooting and movement on pc honestly feels great. Biggest complaints ive heard is the lackluster ebd game, which is not something i planned to bother with anyways. Happy with the $25 price i paid so far

I have a better idea. We can forget that game happened.

I think they added all of the awesome ideas after Sefton Hill left.

Foundation of the game and its story are definitely not as bad as ppl would like most to believe after all it is a suicide squad story for god sakes. But where this game truly falters is gameplay variety ; Swapping out elemental effects is basic level af if we are talking variety. Why does everyone only have 1 take down animation ? Why do you have to grind to unlock characters you paid for? Why are there no legitimate in game cosmetics to earn via challenges or milestones? Other than that, Great audio design, map design , sound design, graphics , voice ensemble , and it’s a lot of fun with friends . Just gets boring cuz everything feels so redundant

After I played the beta I was like this game was trash… said I would try it again if I saw it at $20… saw it at $20 and still didn’t buy it lol

I love the suicide squad, and a HUGE fan, and I was so excited for this game. I played maybe a few hours of it and never touched it again. I stopped playing before the joker even came out. It’s so boring. Plain and simple. I was just BORED the entire time…and I don’t plan on picking this game back up to finish it. (Oh yeah, I never even finished the games story, that’s how bored I was)

This would have been so hard and goated if this was a build your own justice league the sucide squad death stroke Batman Superman wounder women green lantern flash a free roam game were you fight lex dark seid and brainiac

Guys it was a lovely video and this issue summurizes in a very simple point. They don't hire people who are fans about the product anymore. It's all about pushing a political message. Sure they might be some devs who cares but they're not the ones taking the decisions.

I watched a friend play this right after he beat it, he never played again. After seeing him play, I didn’t see anything in the game that I haven’t seen before. There are much better looter shooters out there that came out decades ago that still gives a much more enjoyable experience than SS. Of course this is subjectively speaking and you should be free to enjoy what you want.

This Game Is Fun To Me. I’ve Just Killed The Flash.

Yall had a lot of points but straight up on the sexualization one I think it just went over your head. It’s not that there’s no sexuality with these characters, they just aren’t designing their looks to be half naked and borderline pornagraphic.

Happy to be done playing it but not happy to play it that's this game in a nutshell

Game has issues but me and my buddies had a blast ngl

Tbh, I'm in the minority, I'm having a ton of fun with it overall, but it isn't perfect. I love the Arkham franchise lol. And I'm enjoying the game. I'm finally playing thru the game myself lol. I do wish some stuff was different. Like, instead of it being a Suicide Squad game, I do wish it was a straight up Justice League game. I loved the JL stuff. And like, the designs are amazing, like, Wonder Woman is awesome, Superman looks great, and Batman looks good. And I am enjoying the story. The boss fights so far is pretty good. My issue is they built the game for multi-player stuff, and it's like, idc for multi-player stuff anymore. I get what they were doing like, you have a group of friends playing as the Suicide Squad. In theory, that could be great. Like, you play as completely different characters and like, it's a cool idea. Like, that was something people wished they'd do with Guardian of The Galaxy where you could play as the other characters. So, I just think it could've been executed better. And the gameplay is very repetitive.

To be fair arent the character bios from Lexs perspective? makes sense he would be racist or some shit lmao

Ngl I took the “one of the good ones” quote as a dig at police cause of when the game was bein made ya know. And I think the game is mid. But a fun sandbox that ain’t as grindy and pay to win as destiny PLUS it’s DC so it’s coo to me. I LOVE the Arkham games but I see this as an elseworld/ what if like when I watched the “Titans” show. The gameplay is so different I almost can’t even relate it as an actual sequel. Only reason I dislike this game is cause I spent $100 and still don’t have my justice league skins 🙃🔫

19:10 You're with Hilary Clinton? Are you okay, Jay?

Dose it suck or did the kiddos cry about it because it wasn’t a Batman game didn’t ign cry over a review copy after they played the beta petty I’ve actually been enjoying SSKJL idk I just like the gun play and the talents it can get even better with updates 😅

I was so disappointed with this game i had high high hopes with it and some how robocop rogue city is better. A fps game based on a old 80s action movie is better than a game made by what was one of the most beloved super hero game creators is awful.

It doesn't matter what happens next at this point. Metropolis is mostly destroyed. Wonder Woman was never captured and thus is definitely dead (logically). The residents of Metropolis are either dead or were turned into brainless monster mooks. Robin is (alledgedly) dead, at Batman's hands nonethless. Waller and Earth-2 Luthor have basically taken things over. Regardless of if the clone theory is right or not, the damage is already done. And I'm just talking about the in-universe consequences. The meta consequences are worse. The racist bio for GL, the stupid "Amazon are feminists patriarchy" bio for WW, Superman being stupid enough to train a visibly sinister alien traveling in a gigantic skull ship, the dialogue, the jokes, Harley, Batman's death, the overall depiction of the Squad, the gameplay, the fact the game doesn't even have a real ending, just a purple screen telling you "Ready for the DLCs to get a complete story?". Rocksteady near-perfect image is now tainted and it's made even worse with what we recently learned about Sefton Hill.

The game overall was terrible it was everything that nobody wanted.

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It's a woke fanfiction, God 50 shades of grey was a very hot fancition of Twilight, this is ugh

So yall just basically whining because you didn’t get exactly the game you wanted if it’s not for you don’t play but constantly crapping on it is not fair

14:06

Well rocksteady got moved to making hogwarts content now so this game is officially dead

We getting the popcorn for this one

So what you're saying is It didn't make us feel like the suicide squad 😏

The whole conversation of the Harley Quinn/Wonder Woman sexualization reminds me that when Atomic Heart came out, western journos (subhuman filth) blew a gasket about the ballerina androids and said it was unrealistic AND sexist, when they were modeled after the CEO OF THE COMPANY, WHO WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE THE MODEL FOR THEM