Glad you put this clarification post. I found this video from a news feed article ( probably the same one you're referring to ) that was pushed to my phone for some reason. When i read the page, it was very much written like this was a new thing. SMILE rom editing, and really old forum posts found this as far back as like mid-late 2000's LMAO maybe even before. Good videos on your channel btw! I watched a few of them last night

@@Omgitssoup Hahaha, exactly! This is far, FAR from being a brand new discovery. Maybe if this video was released 2 decades ago, and even then, probably not. 😂Honestly wish they would rephrase the article, but alas, I have no say in that. Just wanted to share this with any Metroid fans that hadn't come across it yet. :) And thanks for the kind words! :)

Question, do you know in what New development is deer force working on? Thanks.

That was my first thought too. Lots of games have _relics_ of early-development ideas, that simply get deactivated for the final game, without being removed. In this case, like you said, the world will always _come alive_ before you get there during normal gameplay, so they didn't need to remove or even deactivate the third eye.

Thank you for acknowledging there was a problem with narration audio. Best thing I can say as a veteran to KZfaq and using Adobe Premiere/Audition for almost 10 years is to get a QUALITY pair of headphones and edit with that and trust what you hear...and make adjustments accordingly.

That's why you never point a laser at your plasma.

Nailed it, CappnRob. At least, that's my theory as well. Honestly, I'm kind of disappointed the devs scrapped this - I think it's a really clever idea. Thanks for watching and commenting! :)

Tbh when I saw the Third Eye when messing around with the reset glitch I thought that there was meant to be a new game+

my own take is that they might have intended the statues to look at you after you take their treasures but the scanner objects respond to the universal flag of an awakened Zebes, disabling all of them. Do any other statues have this scanner?

I feel they had the path there open and if a player saw the tunnel and went back to it after morph ball they could obtain it but the devs added the bomb blocks later so they could give you missiles in a more controlled environment. It also would make more sense to have a path you cannot pass so your discovery of bombs is more impactful. The change helped the pacing for both upgrades.

@@GoldenChorizoCode Maybe the day they'll make the Super Metroid remake we'll have an extended version of Planet Zebes's awakening...

Same

same here man... this game is such a rich source of mysteries and curiosities. let's see what dread has to hide us from...

@@CarlosAlbertoAndres One dreads to ponder….

Did you see the new trailer for Metroid yet?

@@YamesuTankosi I'm glad they dialed it back to its 2D roots. I was not a fan on the 3D aesthetic

Yeah like being looked at by a camera with no idea who's watching isn't disconcerting enough, now it hits you with one in a spot you never knew about lol!

Yeah- when i first played the game when I was younger I thought that too but I played it again more recently and it made more sense

I always knew I had tripped some type of security system, but never gave any deeper thought as to whose.

Did you guys notice that the 2 statues by the elevator turn and face you too, when you go back up after triggering the lights?

Nice Panel de Pon pfp

Hey Techno757, thank you SO much for the kind words! I'm really glad you're enjoying my videos - stay tuned. :) I like your well-thought-out theory on why the 3rd eye is there! I tested your theory this morning. Even with the tile-altering glitch active (and when Zebes was not yet awakened), there was no eye camera in the first missile room. :( Although the first missile room and the "third eye room" look quite similar, they aren't copies of each other. Pause the video at 0:53 to see the first missile room, and then 2:19 to see the "third eye room." If you look closely, there are actually multiple differences. However, I think you are absolutely spot-on when you say that this third eye was simply "left there" from earlier in the game's development, before the layout/sequence of the game was finalized. Like you said, no need to remove something that no one will see anyway - at least, without glitches. ;) Thanks again for watching and commenting! :)

It's closer to 3 decades old now

Very true... makes me feel so old. :/

Single handedly bringing “new light”. Get it? Bc like the eye cameras have light

@@GoldenChorizoCode a planet cant awaken but i guesd the facility did

Hey, Wompa Stompa, thanks for watching and commenting! If you do open up SMILE to check on that, please let me know! :) I'm very curious myself. I'd guess that it's the same enemy with different parameters, but that'd be really interesting if it's considered a unique enemy.

@@GoldenChorizoCode Update video?!?!

@@GoldenChorizoCode Looking into this through my analysis of the raw code. From initial check, the enemy definition is almost identical to the ones next to the morph ball and the missile, with minor differences. The eye color is most likely just due to palette definition, being unimportant otherwise, but there are minor property differences between the three eyes that may be relevant (each of the eyes is defined twice), but with a few minor differences in properties that may cause minor differences in behavior.

@@GoldenChorizoCode Update. As stated in my previous post, the raw code has two entries for each of the three eyes, the first being in Crateria (the room this video is about), RoomID 001F, the second in the morph ball room, RoomID 010E, and the third in the Brinstar missile room behind the red door, RoomID 0110. These RoomIDs are the values used by the game code to define these rooms and also corresponds to the order in which they appear in the ROM definitions for each room. The first entry provided in both 001F and 010E are identical, while the first entry in 0110 is different by one bit, which bit I believe determines which direction the eye stalk faces. The bit is clear in 001F and 010E and set in 0110 (this bit is bit 0 of the fifteenth byte of the enemy definition, which is sixteen bytes long). The second entry provided in both 001F and 0110 are also identical while the second entry of 010E is different, again by one bit, which bit I believe determines which direction the eye faces before it closes. The bit is clear in 001F and 0110, but set in 010E (this bit is bit 0 of the thirteenth byte of the enemy definition). I modified a copy of the ROM file and made the second designation for the 0110 eye identical to the 010E definition and the eye closed facing backward, which is how I reached my conclusion about how bit 0 of the thirteenth byte of the second definition works. Unfortunately, I cannot say why this works the way it does because I haven't analyzed the enemy code, just the code and data used to make enemies and PLMs. Also, regarding the color of the eye in 001F being blue as opposed to being red in both 010E and 0110, this is almost certainly a palette issue, though exactly what causes it isn't quite clear to me. I do know that the room defines 16 palettes, each of 16 colors, but the world tiles only use the first 8 palettes. I also know that there is a palette definition in the enemy headers, but how these affect the room palette is not yet something I've been able to determine. There is only one eye object in the enemy definition section of the ROM, so whatever it is that affects the color of the eye is unknown to me at this time.

Thanks for the update!

Play 2 bro it's one of the best of all

If ur not interested in playing the Gameboy version of metroid 2 then I highly suggest AM2R

Hey Dean Paul, thanks for the sub and the kind words! There's more to come. :)

Hey, Igzorn Buelle! I completely agree with you. By far the most likely explanation is that this "third eye" was created earlier in the game's development, before it was known how the final game would play out. I assume the devs (good ol' Deer Force...) decided that there was no need to remove the eye later in development, since it'll disappear after the planet awakens anyway. Or, maybe they just forgot about it lol. :)

It's also possible that it was placed there for testing, considering it's way closer than the other two from starting point

I agree, DennisV1! Spacetime is my favorite glitched beam - so many things you can do with it. But, I also love how Murder Beam makes (Norfair) Ridley's tail light on fire. 😂

@@GoldenChorizoCode I agree haha, it also becomes such an easy fight with the murder beam xD Spacetime beam is my favourite as well, specially because it can be used to escape the last save station of the game I wish there was someone who could do an in depth analysis of the glitched beams, going into ram to see what values it changes and all that stuff, it would be so interesting!

Hey again, Matthew, thanks so much for the kind words! I really do appreciate it. Thanks for subscribing as well! Stay tuned - there's more to come. :)

Hey, Ace Humpty! Thanks for the kind words - glad you're enjoying my videos! To answer your question, I know of 3 main ways to escape Tourian after the "save room of death." 2 of the 3 methods utilize the Spacetime Beam (the "VAR" beam with all beams equipped, except for Wave), while the 3rd utilizes X-ray climbing and out-of-bounds navigation. The 2 Spacetime methods do NOT activate the escape sequence at all. However, one of them does require you to beat the FIRST phase of Mother Brain (when she's just a head sitting in a tank). The other one involves back-tracking through Tourian by glitching through the grey/locked doors, which it sounds like you've done before. The X-ray method does technically activate the escape sequence, but the 3-minute "countdown timer" is NOT activated, because you don't kill Mother Brain. It is then possible to "escape the escape sequence" using more X-ray climbing and out-of-bounds navigation, and if you want to, you can even turn off "escape mode" altogether using the X-ray scope while out-of-bounds to modify the game's memory. The X-ray method does result in graphical glitches, but these can be resolved by saving and resetting the game. All 3 of the methods above are doable on console. Let me know which one(s), if any, you'd like me to explain in more detail!

@@GoldenChorizoCode that's really nice to know! I know about the "break out of escape sequence" method but I didn't think of turning the sequence off via memory manipulation, that's neat. I wonder how much x-ray climbing must be endured to reach the block you wanna trigger 😂 looks like the method I mentioned would be the easiest way of doing it. But man, that second door was tough to break through. Very curious about how it can be pulled off on console. Thanks alot for the speedy answer btw

@@acehumpty8603 No problem! Yeah, the "escape the escape" technique is used in RAMBO/RBMBO speedruns, which are really fun to watch. If you haven't seen Zoast's RAMBO World Record speedrun (you can find it on KZfaq), I'd highly recommend it. :) I actually have a video that demonstrates the X-ray memory manipulation you're talking about: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8uBd7Oal7LHfJ8.html. There's not too much X-ray climbing involved, but there is a good deal of out-of-bounds navigation lol. I explain it all in the video's description, if you're interested. If you'd like, I can upload a video of me escaping Tourian in "reverse" with Spacetime (on console, because that's all I have lol). I've done it a bunch of times, so it wouldn't take long.

@@GoldenChorizoCode oh yeah, I've seen zoast run pretty much every category, but indeed RAMBO is probably the most interesting one. I'd love a video of the reverse tourian thing, if you don't mind making it, and I'm sure others would like it too! Also I already consumed all of your content, keep it up ;)

@@acehumpty8603 The video is uploaded. :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pKeIZsKo16nVkmg.html If you have any questions about it, just leave a comment over there! It's not a true "tutorial" since I didn't actually explain anything, but if you're experienced with using Spacetime, then it should be mostly self-explanatory. Happy to go into more detail, though. Hope you (and others) enjoy! (Btw, on the topic of Zoast, did you see that he absolutely shattered the RBO world record last night? I luckily saw it live, and it was insane. He got "Taco Tank", if you're familiar with that trick, on the first try. 😂)

Hey, MaddoScientisto, I'm glad you found it interesting! And I agree. :)

Ohhh, you're in for a treat, angry zergling... All the Metroid games are awesome. :) My personal favorite is Super Metroid, if that's not obvious. ;)

Maybe the Space Pirates start moving when the first camera spots you, but they took long enough for you to find the second one, so they tracked your position. After they find you, the cameras turn off... Just an idea.

Right?! I really wish this had been included in the final game. :'( Another thing I'm sad the devs didn't put in the final game is the enemy "Stoke", which was basically a mini-Crocomire. It's so cute... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m66Ka8dnrtbXnn0.html

I doubt it was pasted with a statue put over it, it's unlikely to be a coincidence that the beam seems to come directly from the eyes of the statue.

@@whirl3690 I agree with you - it's very unlikely to be a coincidence, since it's lined up perfectly. You can even see that, unlike the other 2 eyes, the "third eye" isn't actually mounted directly on the wall. It's kind of "floating" in the perfect position behind the Chozo. I'm sad that the devs ended up cutting this from the final game - I think it was a really clever idea. I suspect the devs created this earlier in development when it was going to be possible to enter this room prior to Zebes awakening. But alas, I guess they changed their minds. Thank you for the kind words, @Jason Stults, and for sharing your theory. :)

ayy lmao

Hey, Benjamin, thanks for watching and commenting! To clarify, though, this isn't actually a new finding. Just relatively lesser-known among the community. :)

@@GoldenChorizoCode thanks for the clarification but it’s new to me. Thank you for uploading it I’m the first place.

@@benjaminpruess2529 That's exactly why I uploaded it - for all the Metroid fans that haven't seen it yet. :) Sorry, I'm just clarifying that because of an article that was recently written that made it sound like I was the first person to find this. 😂 Thanks so much though. :)

My personal theory is that all the eyes are there to detect DNA, and once it scans Chozo DNA, it will "open up" the world. As for the one in the statue, it might lock up the item if it detects anything other than Chozo DNA so nothing could steal any Chozo artifacts. You don't normally reach any Chozo statues before being detected, so maybe in-universe these "eyes" are in ALL Chozo statues. With the one in the Chozo Statue, it might be to detect

Thank you, Alex! :)

Hey, Derpy doge, that's really interesting! Thank you for sharing. :) Would absolutely watch this (and definitely try it myself) if you choose to post a video.

@@GoldenChorizoCode thanks, man!

@@GoldenChorizoCode Alright so i made the video heres the link: kzfaq.infoiFOs0iUP36k?feature=share Also its my first video :D

@@fractalfalco3964 Nice, thank you! Just wondering, are you playing on an SNES console or no? I've tried this like 10 times on my console and I can't get it to not crash. :/

@@GoldenChorizoCode No, I am playing on nintendo switch snes collection. The savestates or restore points are very helpful. The area has to be kinda precise.