Superman Analogue: The Plutonian (Daniel Hartigan)

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It takes a creator that really "gets" Superman, to properly subvert the Man of Steel, such as Mark Waid when writing the Plutonian in Irredeemable!
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Original Text: Man... Evil versions of characters are fun. Let's go back to one of the truest #SupermanAnalogue examples that I've been sitting on: The Plutonian from Irredeemable
We're first introduced to the Plutonian as a villain. The series opens with him going rogue and the rest of the heroes of the world in a panic. He's on a rampage, both assassinating specific people and causing massive collateral damage.
A color palette is established to short hand whether we're in the past or present. Stories with the Plutonian in a red body suit with black trim and short hair is the present during his rampage. When he's shown in a white body suit with red trim and longer hair, it's the past.
Through flashbacks we piece together what he was like before and what pushed him over the edge. The Plutonian is shown to be as direct a parallel to Superman as Moore's Supreme (with a similar costume) and his adventures were all takes on Silver Age Superman stories.
But super powers can be a curse. The running theme of the series is that power corrupts even the best. Super hearing let's him pick up every time someone talks behind his back and the various antics of his friends add stress. We're given to understand that eventually he snapped.
Classic Silver Age pranks like his co-workers almost revealing his identity to the world both show how damn powerful he was, beating a radio wave to a satellite, but also highlight the pressure he's under all of the time.
So we as the audience come to at least understand why he snapped, while also seeing the havoc he wrecked in the present. Make no mistake, he becomes a monster, but one with motivations we understand.
In the present, we see the heroes pull out all of the stops to deal with him, crossing many lines and making clear that one of the great themes of the book is the corrupting nature of power.
They make it very clear that fighting a Superman is a terrifying proposition and fear pushes people to violate their moral codes. The story follows twists and turns over it's 3ish year run, with the balance of power shifting about, but the central theme is that power is dangerous
The book revels in the referential nature to Superman. It relies on the audience understanding that archetypal character and how this is perverting those tropes.
The Plutonian could have stood in for Hyperion, Mr. Majestic, Supreme, of Superman himself, but instead he lived in a world that pushed him over the edge and now that world quakes in fear of him.
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@ansongordon-creed4047
@ansongordon-creed4047 Жыл бұрын
The theme of the series isn't about how power corrupts, nor was Tony ever truly good. It's more a reconstruction of the idea of a Complete Monster and, simultaneously, of what makes Superman so heroic. Tony grew up largely unloved by his various foster parents who didn't know how to raise him, and so became narcicistic. His final foster parents did love him, but instilled within him a martyr complex, pushing him into superheroics and believing they were the only way for him to be loved. He saved lives only for the adoration it brought him (not even realizing it), and every mean comment in a cheering crowd he heard, every ungrateful person he saved, irked him. He snapped when a terrible mistake he made (due to his inability to handle criticism) nearly went public, so he killed the only people who knew, then, realizing he would never be loved by the entire human race, decided to torture and exterminate them out of spite. The climax of the series makes it clear that nothing in his past excuses his actions, and true superheroes like Qubit and Max Damage do good things for their own sake, not because of what people will think of them. Word of God is that it's a story about someone who decided to be a superhero without being up to it psychologically.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
I think there's room for both of these to be the case. I think you very clearly articulate a really solid viewpoint, and Tony was ultimately psychologically weak, but that weakness made him vulnerable to being overwhelmed by the power he possessed and the same thing happened to Survivor. I feel like this is kind of a Grace versus Good Deeds debate, which I don't think we need to pigeonhole the series in. Mark Waid is very good at having multiple layers to his work and different things are going to stand out to different people. When I revisit this for my roundup video when I collect the third batch of 50, I will try to mention your comment because I think that they are extremely accurate in terms of themes represented in the work.
@dedrik1461
@dedrik1461 Жыл бұрын
True, I remember reading the notes about the story after I read it. He really wasn't stable during his career, it was more that he was crushed under the weight of the events unfoiling around him rather than him turning evil because of his power. He accidentally killed people and tried to cover it up and when he told his Lois Lane his identity, she tried to reveal it on national news practically seconds later Still I like this take that he genuinely wanted to do good even though the story shows evidence for it being a search for approval and adoration, I feel people can be complex enough to want both, at least before he went all Homelander. It's ironic because Plutonian in this story is essentially the realized version of Homelander's threat to Maeve in season 3, "I'd prefer to be loved but if I can't I am a-okay being feared."
@neoachilles
@neoachilles Жыл бұрын
I just read all of Irredeemable, after watching this video. I love a good fall from grace/heel turn. And this one was epic.
@rainphantom
@rainphantom 9 ай бұрын
No, the running theme is that sacrifice will produce guilt, grievances, and resentment. And although the author understands this he still believes in the morality of sacrifice and hopes in the end that two boys work things out. How little he knows.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia 9 ай бұрын
I'm starting to really regret saying "the theme" instead of "a theme", because I don't disagree with alternate interpretations of what the focus of the piece is. I just think it's pretty long and that certain characters are dealing with different themes and there's a lot of stuff going on which is a strength of the book and of Waid as a writer
@marcsantana9426
@marcsantana9426 Жыл бұрын
This was so worth the wait thanks case your vids are great
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
Aw, thanks, man!
@lsgreger2645
@lsgreger2645 Жыл бұрын
I always meant to check out this series. I collected a lot of Mark Waid's Flash run and fell in love with his writing. He made several Great Characters for DC and introduced the Speed Force which is now standard lore for every flash comic. I always heard this was a great work by him too.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
It's a really fun book! Waid's a writer that I've always really enjoyed. He finds a way to nail a secondary reasons to care about a work beyond the initial elevator pitch!
@ProjektTaku
@ProjektTaku 11 ай бұрын
I actually despise the speed force so much.
@zvonimirtomac7896
@zvonimirtomac7896 Жыл бұрын
Love the character, and the comic he appeared in. I know people are tired of the Evil Superman trope, but this one is done quite well
@powerbadpowerbad
@powerbadpowerbad Жыл бұрын
I want to read/buy this title,really tired of SUPES in comic book form any way.Want to read about a flawed hero,someone more human acting and not-PERFECT.Supes is pretty boring,OP,no faults to over come,no failings either.I liked the way Supes/Clark Kent was handled in Bruce Timm's animated series of Superman.Supes powers were reduced a lot. LOL. GOOD job on the video.
@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677
@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677 Жыл бұрын
A vid that was worth the wait. Tony is arguably the strongest of the Superman Analogues with the exceptions of Captain Hero (A Superman with Toon Force), and The Last Son of Alcatraz (After becoming The Horned Serpent).
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
Oh, thanks, mate! I'm glad you liked it! The Plutonian is incredible as a concept!
@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677
@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677 Жыл бұрын
Indeed especially with his end.
@ramonantoniodejuanbennett6239
@ramonantoniodejuanbennett6239 Күн бұрын
The Plutonian could easily be Brandon from Brightburn.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Күн бұрын
@@ramonantoniodejuanbennett6239 very similar vibes
@FranklinWilson-ev9dq
@FranklinWilson-ev9dq 10 ай бұрын
THE SUPERMAN, GONE NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@thedood9503
@thedood9503 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one. Irredeemable was awesome!
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
I loved the series! Classic Waid's one of my favorite writers. Like, his attention to detail is like my exact level of pedantry... and I appreciate it!
@susboy6947
@susboy6947 10 ай бұрын
Sure he can give himself superpowers but Superman was able to stop Mandriaks missiles and beat world forger who gave Batman a suit which can turn thoughts into reality
@susboy6947
@susboy6947 10 ай бұрын
And even Manhattan wasn't able to erase superman from existence
@susboy6947
@susboy6947 10 ай бұрын
Superman has resisted reality warping at many instances
@susboy6947
@susboy6947 10 ай бұрын
Superman is able to fight with martian manhunter who can out thought perpetua(creator of omniverse)
@damianstarks3338
@damianstarks3338 6 ай бұрын
Fantastic Plutonian video he is a phenomenal evil Superman
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia 6 ай бұрын
Oh thank you!
@damianstarks3338
@damianstarks3338 6 ай бұрын
@@certainpovmedia Don’t mention it !
@stg4theglitchog768
@stg4theglitchog768 Жыл бұрын
I think a real life Superman would have had a childhood similar to Homelander but she/he would be afraid of what humans can do to him/her.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
Kinda like the Supreme Power version of Hyperion, too!
@stg4theglitchog768
@stg4theglitchog768 Жыл бұрын
Why doesn't Supreme Power Hyperion look like an Alien, like The Child of Hope & Loss.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
@@stg4theglitchog768 I don't think it was ever addressed in the series since it kinda fell apart at the end. Probably something about being an elevated being or something. The main Hyperion looked human because he was actually an Eternal.
@stg4theglitchog768
@stg4theglitchog768 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but i still think the is no official Elseworld story about Kal El looking more alien and him been raised in the human minority, like he should be, like the only official story about a more alien was one where the Kents killed him out of fear when they found him, why don't they take that idea and expand on it, telling the story of a more alien Kal El who lives in the minority and saw people do terrible things to one another.
@busterlitwax1250
@busterlitwax1250 Жыл бұрын
Is the Samaritan on your list for future analog videos?
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
Sure is! I love Astro City! - Case
@ricky865
@ricky865 Жыл бұрын
And the funny thing is his powers are not actually physical like Superman but psionic whish made him even more powerful. That is until Superman got his god level power boost in Warworld.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
It's wild how powerful Tony is! It makes me think about my head canon for Marvel's Hyperion: He's an amnesiac Eternal and he unconsciously augments his strength and speed psionically! I freaking love it! It feels like a 5th dimensional imp approach to Superman!
@ricky865
@ricky865 Жыл бұрын
@@certainpovmedia This character always made me wonder what would it be like if Superboy Connor Kent would truly realize and develop his full psionic potential.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
@@ricky865 totally! The little tastes we got with Match, Black Zero, and Sins of Youth Grown Up Kon El all hinted at what we'd see him get... Then Johns got Titans and it became "well, I guess he's half Superman" which for the record can work but just wasn't what the character had been... And we stopped seeing that character advance in such a way!
@ricky865
@ricky865 Жыл бұрын
@@certainpovmedia Well atleast in his new miniseries: Superboy Man of Tomorrow he is actually using his Telekinetic powers again in combination with his kriptonian ones. But for me personally the best part is that his current incarnation is actually a combination of the Pre New 52 version of him with the New 52 version of him wish possessed vastly more powerful telekinetic poweres in comparison to before.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia Жыл бұрын
@@ricky865 that's good to hear. My comics are piling up since we had the baby, but hoping to catch up soon!
@Rgoid
@Rgoid 8 ай бұрын
You should do a video on Samaritan from Astro City. I suppose Homelander from the Boys as well.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia 8 ай бұрын
Both are on the list!
@christopherross6229
@christopherross6229 11 ай бұрын
You should do Alpha One from DCs The Mighty and Astonish Man from The End League.
@metatronblack
@metatronblack 6 ай бұрын
Im going back to all your videos and making comments.
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia 6 ай бұрын
Appreciate it!
@metatronblack
@metatronblack 6 ай бұрын
@@certainpovmedia 😮👍
@martinreintal6069
@martinreintal6069 7 ай бұрын
This was good. Please tell me, have you already done one about Omni Man? It screams to be done by you, if you haven't. 😮
@certainpovmedia
@certainpovmedia 7 ай бұрын
I did Invincible already, but held off on Omniman at the time. He's coming soon though
@martinreintal6069
@martinreintal6069 7 ай бұрын
@certainpovmedia9500 , awesome and cooL! Good to know! Do go all out on his powers.
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