so true bestie (i just finished my rewatch)

*Remember when in season 5 they said, that half of the planet would get destroyed if Lucifer and Michael fought?* and when we finally get that fight, it was such a disappointment, not even a table was destroyed by their fight.

Supernatural has been introducing and dropping plots and ideas for years now. It's one of the show's 2 biggest flaws at this point. The other problem is that it doesn't keep track of its own lore and constantly retcons things.

I was pissed with the whole "god gave them plot armor" notion because I was like... So they were never badass? Great....

i disagree with you about the last episode and dean dying. i feel like death is so over used for them that them actually living til old age would have been a pleasant surprise.

The thing i dislike the most about the show is how it conatantly kills characters off and then brings them back again over and over and then expects me to think it's true or have an emotional reaction.

The ending sucked, and Dean's final death scene was lame as Hell.

My ideal ending literally would have been them, in the impala, talking about their next case and having some jokes thrown between the two. I would have loved for the final shot to have been of the impala driving down a road as it pans out, leaving us to wonder what the boys got up to after the show ended. Call me simple, but this would have been far more satisfying and fulfilling in comparison to what we got, as I feel it would be a reminder of where the show began - the two of them hunting simple cases. Maybe a nod to all the people they met along the way would have been sweet too!

I sincerely think an open ended option wouldve been the best way to go. the boys drive off in the car, we dont know exactly what happens, just that they finally have their free will and can choose what happens next. let the fans decide what that "next" looks like

the entirety of the last 3 seasons made me want to curl up into a ball and die

I honestly thought that Chuck would turn up in the series finale and reveal that the previous episode was only a joke to let the boys think they could win.

For me SPN's biggest sin is banking so much on found family but still making it a point that the only really important thing are the brothers. They contantly kill off and ressurect people for shock value or when they don't know what else to do with a character. With a few exceptions like Bobby, Charlie and some of Cas's many deaths (except the literal most important one at the end -_-) they manage to make a lot of deaths feel unimportant, like yeah it's sad but the boys get over it real quick don't they? Dean throws around a lot of "X character is Family! I would die for them! They are like a sibling to me..." and then that character dies in the next episode and life goes on... I don't mind that the ending focuses on them specifically, what I mind is that it feels like all other characters needed to be unceremoniously dealt with so they are not in the way of the brother focused ending. It was unnecessary.

Honestly, I would've loved season 15 if they fought the empty instead.

I only recently got into Supernatural, but the last season seems so different from the first ones that have me hooked. The monster of the week episodes are so good because they focus on character, their inner life and relationships and developments. And then you get an ending where the four mains are just caricatures of themselves? Even as early as season three, Dean was more than a hunter and Sam was more than a normal guy. Hell, you could see it even in the first half of season one.

I couldn't stand the finale, it was totally unsatisfying to me - I had no desire to see the boys die, heaven as their peace means nothing to me (especially with Dean just... waiting to see Sam. Who he just saw. And knows he will see again eventually. And should want to live a nice long life and therefore *not* see too quickly. And maybe instead want to see some *other* people he misses.). I felt that Sam should have stayed in the hunting business as a Bobby figure, running the bunker with Eileen, and Dean should have started up a Roadhouse-style hunter's bar. They're both in the life still, but disconnected from it, close to each other still, but not codependent and living their own lives. And I wanted Cas back as well but I didn't expect that in the actual show - that'll just have to live in my mental version of everything instead. The season itself, like you said, was totally meh. Not awful, not great, just really obvious that the writers room was disconnected & didn't know what they wanted.

This is honestly the best reaction to the finale that I've seen so far. I was not a big fan of the finale because it felt like a rando episode mid season 4 or something. What I do love is how factual and in depth your analysis is. I also love that this shows that Destiel Shippers aren't upset because the finale didn't have Cas. Most of us are just confused and disturbed by the jarring end and the same problems you addressed. It's just a lack luster ending no matter who you ship. Thank you for your great analysis!

I like how your take on season 15 supernatural is a mix of the type of fans in the Supernatural fandom all in one option. You disliked the season because of the narrative, you felt that felt that Destiel was queerbaited, you didn’t like 15x19, you were satisfied 15x20, you felt the San wig scene was bad, you felt the show was good to end it with just Dean and Sam, you felt that they should’ve acknowledged Castiel, and you were satisfied with Dean’s death Its interesting to see one person to have all of these combined

The series finale felt like to me making the last 15 seasons a waste of time, because the characters don’t really grow, they get the ending they want back when the show started but not the ending these characters should grow to have. Feels like so much development just got tossed out the window.

The thing is that Jack was such a lousy concept in general. He is a walking deus ex Machina. God as an antagonist is the same issue as power scaling issue in DBZ. The plan to kill god was trash. He spent his time snapping people out of existence. How is the best down in character.

Things escalated up until season 5 and then hit a point where it's hard to go anywhere afterwards because the stakes got raised so high. Having a season that CAN serve as a good finale does that. So the seasons afterwards suffered a big dropoff in quality but slowly recovered and managed to progress to a point where you had another season that could have served as a good finale; that being season 11. After S11 you had the same problem as you had after S5. It didn't recover this time.

Yeah, I agree with most of what you said except I didn't like the series finale at all, I guess it sounds fine on paper but the execution was so bad, anyway, the characters and the actors are what kept me watching for this long and I am excited to see the cast in future projects.

I felt the deans ending was a little rushed into the episode

How do you go through that whole season without mentioning the huge gaping plot crater? Seriously.. Ruby and Aniel working together when Ruby had never met an angel...

I was pissed about the lack of Eileen and Cas. Eileen does, is presumably brought back, but we never see it, and we never see Sam care? What? He loved Eileen! Same with Cas. They mention that he’s offscreen in the finale, but Dean doesn’t care? Doesn’t try to see him? Even if Dean didn’t return Cas’ romantic love (and that was deliberately left unanswered), he did still very much love him. We’ve seen how Dean reacts to Cas’ death before- he literally tried to kill himself, he was so broken up about it! But all we got was a single sentence, and then nothing? What? I also feel like they just shat all over the theme of found family in the finale. It ended up being about the blood family only (with the exception of Bobby). It was so incredibly disappointing. Especially after they set up the season to deal with Dean and Cas’ relationship. The fighting, the breaking up, the realising they’re better together, Dean apologising. Even if it was only romantic on one side, that doesn’t really matter- it was still an extreme to important relationship (platonic or not), and they just threw it away. I will still probably revisit my favourite episodes. But I doubt I’ll ever go back and watch the last season again. This was a great video, thank you. I also recommend Media Buzzkill’s videos- one on the story of Destiel. I recommend it for shippers and non shippers alike. I think for shippers it’s a great retrospective on why that relationship mattered so much, and was so awesome. For non shippers, it’s a great look into why people did ship them, without being overly pushy about it. And her video on why the final season was not great, was also excellent. Really delved deep into the themes of the show, and how much the writers of the final season just didn’t seem to understand them anymore.

this season felt like it was improvised from episode to episode

To me, the whole season was amazing other than 15x19 and 15x20 because everything was out of character for Team Free Will. NOTHING they did made sense.

Honestly if it weren’t for the amazing actors I probably wouldn’t have kept watching spn for years. Edit: okay don’t count Jared in the amazing actor after season 8

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I enjoyed it up until that damn finale. 19's was a better "ending". The "riding into the sunset" ending on 19 was satisfying enough.

Sam's death and Dean's monolog in the end of season 2 made my cry like literally when I rewatch it years later I still cried.. But season 15 last episodes just so bland like the combination of "meh" and "seriously? This is the last episode after 15 years?" It should've end at season 5, I think lots of the fans doesn't really need a happy ending if it just as crappy as this, what happen with the so called "blaze and glory" ending?? Now I just want back my 10 years that I spent for watching this show went downhill

One retcon I couldn't stand was the whole "a soul from hell can't go to heaven"😐. REMEMBER IN SEASON 8 WHEN ONE OF THE TRIALS SAM HAD TO DO TO CLOSE THE GATES OF HELL WAS RESCUE A SOUL FROM HELL AND SEND THEM TO HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID I JUST HALLUCINATE THAT HAPPENED!!!!!! Man Disney isn't as bad with their Retcons.

A killer clown? No The killer clown, its an actual famous serial killer, John Wayne Gacy.

Seasons 1-5 are where the show itself ended, the rest of it just seems like an after thought.

Biggest disgrace they did was with Michael/Adam. Static characters are viable, don't get me wrong. But Michael became extraordinarily more interesting when he became a rounded character. A character that was open to change and develop, especially when interacting with his new best buddy, Adam. But then that episode happened.....his fight with Lucifer should've been so much more impactful both physically and emotionally. Firstly, the fight between Lucifer and Michael should've been so powerful enough that it would've thrown the world into destruction, at least a large part of it. But the actual fight was some punches, some blasts, and a stab..... excuse me what? And you gonna try to make me believe that Michael, THE archangel, the truest righteous warrior as presented in the show, you're trying to tell me he lost his edge based on 10 years of the cage? Mind you 4 of those years he was without Lucifer. (We also don't know if the Cage runs on regular time or hell time but based on what's been presented no evidence shows it runs on hell time). Plus the fight should've impact Michael on an emotional level, we saw that back in S5 he truly did not want to fight Lucifer but was still stuck in the headspace of God's perfect son. But he killed his little brother so easily without hesitation. There also should've been more interaction with the two, maybe Lucifer drops the snarky act that he picked up along the show and acts like how he did when he first appeared. Now Michael's betrayal was stupid. Back to being brought back as a static character, Michael is someone who believed that his father held him in the highest esteems. But when proven wrong, when revealed that God not only made other versions of Michael but made Lucifer his new favorite, that should've been enough to show Michael that it's been all bullshit. (Also from what we've been shown, Lucifer wouldn't want to be God's favorite anyways) Michael shouldn't have had to try to win God's approval because he had it for so long but has proven to be worth nothing. And Lucifer shouldn't try to win it either because he has learned to live without it and knows that it isn't worth anything. The finale just really did the development so dirty and was such a let down. Michael is my favorite archangel and I've been waiting years for him to come back, then I was so hype when he did.....then the finale came and ugh lol

I think that writing an ending to a show that’s been on for so long is obviously going to be hard. There’s been A LOT of plots, characters, and development in the course of 15 seasons/years. Dean always thought and wanted to die on a/the hunt while Sam wanted a normal life with career, wife, and kids. I finished my rewatch a couple weeks ago and to me, it appeared that starting season 8, Sam gave up on the idea of having a normal life since he gave it a shot with Amelia and in the end it didn’t work out. He wasn’t true to himself hence that conversation he had with (I believe) Amelia’s father about him running away from something. In season 13 believing to have saved the world, Dean talked about settling down, quitting the hunter life that surprised Sam, and going to the beach to relax since they-Sam, Cas, and himself- deserved it. The finale, once again MY OPINION, would’ve suited the series if it had ended with the early seasons. The show started with Sam and Dean and by season 4 it seemed to have revolved around them and the family they found. By season 14 the show seemed to be more about found family than 2 brothers. But yes I do believe Sam and Dean were the core of it. I didn’t like the finale and I don’t think I will and I do respect those who do like it. It could’ve been worse though. *** I didn’t/don’t intend to anger anyone. And if you do like the finale I totally respect your opinion, this is just mine. And of course this wasn’t my only issue with the finale and don’t want to list them all out since I don’t want to spread more hate. Even if we were given another finale good or bad there would still be people hating on it. I do appreciate and am grateful for the actors’ hard work.

What was the biggest issue for me and what I realize when Supernatural has its issues where certain Showrunners taking over a set of seasons. Ranked: Eric Karpe (Season 1-5/Golden Age) Jeremy Carver (Season 8-11) Sera Gamble (Season 6-7) Andrew Dabb and Robert Singer (12-15) As you can see the seasons 12-15 were where I started to notice problems. The following 12-15 have major retconning with it’s lore, disrespect towards characters like Kevin, Adam, Michael, Cas, Jack, or Amara, disrespect to some supernatural creatures as well, untouched concepts, major unanswered plot holes, power scaling, too many fillers like season 14 and using those fillers to get rid of major plot opportunities like killing off AU Michael in an episode about hunting a Gorgon. I never liked the plot twist with Chuck being the final big bad due to philosophy teachings. An evil creator like Yaldabaoth I get but an evil capital ‘G’ God? That’s just ridiculous and what Chuck represents is us writers in the real world only he has personality traits of a psychopath and sociopath and literally that’s what is written in his character page personality heading. A fanfiction writer that loves to torture his own characters and never give them happy endings. Also God having written out Sam and Dean’s lives bugs me because it flouts everything about the characters and their struggles as it says well the reason why it all happens is because they were merely doing their scripts so all their mistakes were not real as it had simply been written out and so you can no longer hold it against them for their choices as it’s wrong since it was all dur to Chuck’s manipulation and it makes them less slightly relatable as again nothing had been real for them so it throws everything a person would have gone through in a crazy and dangerous life right into our faces. I hated how angels and reapers were reduce to jobbers as I realize now that entities like angels aren’t meant to appear as a regular which is why you hardly see angels in other supernatural shows like Shadowhunters, Teen Wolf, or TVD, TO, and Legacies (their angels in novels are called Guardians). They’re too damn powerful and so you’d have to nerf them which they did and made them look pathetic along with reapers no longer being as these scary beings that you’d run from to prevent death back in Eric’s Supernatural. I also realize that the showrunners nerfed even Archangels by adding in too many weaknesses and not being the guys who once can create their own dimensions, creatures out of thin air, their fight destroying the entire planet, defy description, hardly can be stopped by wards like even handcuffs as they are God’s first strongest creation and so it makes me wonder the whole multiverse travel restrictions as Balthazar a regular common angel was able to use a spell to travel into the world very easy without a complicated spell that requires Archangel grace and I believe Raphael helped Virgil get back so that is flouted as you’re saying a coming angel can travel through universes but an Archangel, a primordial angel can’t? Bullshit! I like Jack but after looking back thanks to writing a Supernatural story I saw now the character could have faced some mental struggles like not being evil like his father and going depths into the Nephilim lore and perhaps Cambion due to Antichrist and all and perhaps grow more mature due to having to grown up faster, especially since Jack was expose to war in Apocalypse World and it would have scarred him but he walks off like he’s unaffected and it’s good he retains some innocence but show off that he is haunted by what he witness over in that world Adam/Michael for the worse disrespect out of every character with hardly any screen time but character development and they just reduce him to a daddy’s boy. Kevin they just kept using the poor guy as their whipping boy by giving him a bad ending and even though Jack changed Heaven, we can assume he’s in Heaven but it would have been best if we saw and I know COVID prevented that but we could have had mention that he’s okay or seen him at a far distance because of regulations Cas he was sort of just there and kept being disrespected by becoming every villain’s person punching bag and I feel that people don’t know what bad ass means as simply stabbing someone alone isn’t enough as badass unless the person he’s killing is someone very important or defeats them in an awesome way. Stabbing someone like Duma isn’t badass as it’s like “eh”. Okay he killed her wow that’s badass *using sarcasm* I also feel like he didn’t do much in season 15 and Destiel is fine as a bromance but all the shippers are going nuts with them as movers which I don’t have a problem but dial it down for goodness sake as it feels fan service now Amara while some of you can dislikes her, I don’t care I loved her but I feel that she was disrespected in episode 15x17 with being betrayed and getting rid of her a fate far worse than death as her being absorbed by God and later deciding to stay inside Jack was bad! Because you’re saying someone is at peace when they just got backstabbed by someone they could trust and they’re happy? Give me a freaking break. It’s equivalent to a person locking themselves inside their rooms and never coming back out as they are depressed. Heck it’s practically like her being locked by the Mark of Cain again and since she’s a character that can’t be killed they went with this for her fate. Bullshit! Also Amara was already said to be stronger than Chuck even on his best days but in 17 she says she needs four Archangels to fight her brother when it’s strange she needed any help so plot over logic. Considering she’s immensely powerful with Chuck needing help and it was a barely manageable victory to seal her away by weakening her and suddenly she needs help? Bullshit! Heck I believe that Chuck could have been defeated in that episode because you have someone stronger than him, a Nephilim who is stronger than four Archangels combined, Michael, a Cambion that is walking somewhere on the Earth or Queen of Hell’s magic capabilities. Also Amara is a primordial entity so I’m sure she has a green thumb to perhaps grow a Leviathan blossom after killing one so Sam and Dean can make the spell to lock him up and bam! Chuck defeated as he’d get destroyed by such an op team up and we can have Amara and Jack getting to know each other as I wanted to see that but sadly no. *Sigh* writers love to drag it out and wanted more angst between characters when we don’t need any angst anymore as we get it. Just stop torturing Sam and Dean. Also it was a major redeeming quality of turning on her brother for all she did in season 11 and she still got the redeeming quality with her intent being to help Sam and Dean but she was disrespected and it was all for nothing. Lucifer appearing is great but I feel that he’s been reduce to a weakling and no longer this terrifying and powerful entity as he was this really this feared and respected entity back in season 5 but ever since coming back they overused him to the point that he’s like a record disk. In season 13 he shattered and when they try to make him come back they manage time glue him but shatters. In 15 with little appearance he had they taped the disk and in a matter of minutes it’s permanently broken and useless. Lucifer was reduce to a jobber and made as a laughing stock. He lost his Devil Big Bad presence. The Devil a major villain isn’t meant to be used as a recurring/minor character as it ruins them. The concepts that could have been touched down were the Lovecrafts seen in season 13 like Yokoth. Or Heaven falling but that was mentioned and never focused on. The seasons leave too many plot holes like Jack making the Empty loud as that feels like something that shouldn’t be ignored, Ruby, crossroad demon making deals again in 15x15, or other things that preceded season 15. Laying so many wrappers not thrown in the trash bin properly. Good thing we have Fanfictions to cover that. I also understand that Jeremy’s Supernatural had concepts they could have touched down and some like Metatron was boring and that Amara and Dean chemistry was pointless which I hated as well of trying to make a romance which is what ruined things in 15x17 as Amara made it clear in season 11 that she only wanted Dean as company to not be alone once Creation was destroyed but writers decided nah she loved Dean and wants him to love her back. So much for getting over someone. I learned an interesting concept with what could have been done with the bond like Dean being force to become her champion and become Demon Dean again as he was short lived in season 10. AU Michael hardly appeared and they did make sure he didn’t like Dean holding him back. I can’t help and feel it seemed bias to how Dean does things better than Sam as Sam was barely able to keep Lucifer at bay and somehow for weeks Dean can keep an Archangel much less one stronger than his version Main Michael? Wow really lost the emphasis on the season making AU Michael as a big bad and killed him off in a filler as they probably didn’t know what to do with him just as season 12 killed off Crowley because they didn’t know what else to do with an amazing character like Crowley. The ending left me without closure due to many underrated characters getting disrespected and the plot holes. I was depressed for a while. Luckily again we have fanfiction stories that exist so I got peace and the closure I needed. I understand again the pandemic changed the ending but it still doesn’t make me happy with what we got as I feel like the show could have been postponed when restrictions were lifted a bit with social distance after the pandemic calmed down a bit.

I felt that season 5 was the last true season. And they just let that ball keep rolling. What I think really killed it before the final season is when they started with the multiverse. They killed so many characters they had to pop over to the the next universe to get them back.

I still feel like that season ending where Sam and Michael jump into the cage should have been the ending of the whole show, what was that season 5 or 6? It would have been one of those show endings that really stays with you because of how bitter-sweet (mostly bitter) it is.

Your description of the final season as a "mixed bag" in my opinion is spot on, it did give us an "ok" ending and had me tearing up a bit and it definitely was better than the final episode of a series also featuring myths and monsters that shall go unnamed. 15 seasons is too many, and many of SN seasons can be described as hit and miss but every season had a hidden gem here and there. I wish the whole cast good luck in their future endeavors.

Honestly I feel like the second to last episode could have worked just fine as a finale I feel like their endings were while understandable for their characters were very predictable Dean always knew he would die a hunter and Sam got his apple pie life but it seemed appropriate character wise and it was nice to see what Jack did to Heaven. Season 15 was about tying up lose ends and it was fine over all but some things felt thrown in like Adam coming back after being locked in the cage since season 5

The biggest flaw they did within the ending was trying to CREATE an ending for Sam and Dean. That’s not how life works. There’s a reason why I still think Buffy (and Angel) has the best season finale within a genre like this. Buffy doesn’t have a true ending because there is no true ending. Not even death sometimes in the Buffy universe. There's a wonderful talk by Alan Watts in which he suggests a common human fallacy is the belief that life is a race, or mountain climb, with a serious goal or finish to cross. But sometimes when we live that way, and cross those lines, there is disappointment. Because time quickly moves us past that momentary glow. A lifetime is more like a piece of music, that rises and falls and rises back again. Perhaps then, our great ambition might simply to be present. And that is exactly what Buffy and Angel did. “Yeah, Buffy. What are we gonna do now?” Is the last line in the show and it is never answered by Buffy. We never do find out. Ambiguous endings are the best, especially for a tv series. And Supernatural should have taken notes on how to do it properly. You think they would have considering the show was inspired and even ripped off many Buffy and Angel episodes and ideas. But nope.

It was ruined long before that. I absolutely love this show and these characters but the overall story after season 5 just kept getting less interesting. The "monster of the week" episodes were really what kept me coming back.

I thought the season finale was okay, although it was a bit of a mess with randomly bringing Lucifer back only to die minutes later. Lucifer in earlier seasons would not have been taken down so easily and obviously. The series finale however I thought was God-awful. Dean dies to a nail in the wall, then we see a boring montage of how Sam lives a relatively normal life, although fairly lonely for the most part. I would have preferred they ended on a boom rather than whimper.

The first 5 seasons of this show were superb, it went steadily downhill from there - sure, there were some highlights after this point (mostly the 'meta' episodes, French Mistake, Fan Fiction etc) but I think it never really recovered after Season 6. Season 7 was absolutely horrendous, the worst by a long way... and Mary being brought back at the end of 11, then becoming a regular cast member was when the show really lost me; I felt it ruined the dynamic between the brothers which is what kept me coming back to the series. I also felt that the constant resurrection of characters throughout the series really lowered the stakes and removed any sense of dramatic tension. To me Season 15 would have been a big disappointment if the show had managed maintain the same standard set by the first 5 seasons but I think the final season's quality was about on-par with the majority of the show before it - not terrible but not excellent either.

Supernatural basically ended after Season 5

I thought Dean should’ve died and become the next death, Sam should’ve become like an arch angel or something and there would be a time jump where they are trying to do their job and 2 new kids keep breaking the rules of life and death and annoying the fk out of them lol.

Yep, Classic Andrew Dabb, too many damn dieas, not enough competance or patience to stick to one, the amount of dropped plots over the last few seasons is insane.

I hate how they used Amara. They literally threw her away like nothing. Would have been good if she lived life as a human with Dean.

I’m probably gonna get pretty big crap for this but I don’t think the ship is cannon I know cass loves dean that was obvious for a while but when I see dean it’s more like how he interacts with Sam and Jack. I love the scene and it’s heart wrenching. But I don’t think it’s romantic on deans side but just as powerful. That’s just my thoughts though.

I agree, it's like they didn't big up how huge this could've been, like God vs Man. An all powerful being vs two humans.

It was NOT a Game of Thrones or Doctor Who killing legendary work and shows in one to three episodes. It was acceptable.

As a gay person, I’m so tired of shows/movies/books that have our “representation” being “ambiguous sexuality character finally says ‘hey I’m gay.‘ but uh oh, time to die”

Dean's death suckd

I thought it was weird how castiels powers were failing in the beginning of the season but then all of a sudden are fine again. But as you point out it probably just one of the many plots they drop. I really liked the way they ended the show except the fact that no other hunters were at deans funeral, not even like a call from jody or anything like that.

I actually liked the final 2 episodes but thank you for not complaining about dean and Cass dying and actually saying why with reasons why you didn't like it

CW just ruined their own shows SPN,TO(Legacies)

I’ve never been a fan of supernatural and only saw like 2 episodes just don’t get it. However it’s a shame that yet another big pop culture piece of media ended horribly. Game of Thrones Star Wars Sherlock Lost and now supernatural. It’s kind of sad.

With COVID they really don’t have an excuse for how shitty the writing of the last season was they had all that extra time to work on and refine their story/script but did they maybe which if so I dread the abomination that they were originally going to give us

Honestly this season could’ve been better that’s true, but I’m glad like jensen and Jared said that the show didn’t go on long enough that it would get even worse then this and get canceled. I love the finale and I thought it was the best way for it all to end.

The thing is there was this one theory that would have made a great season where God was actually the Empty that was stuck there because of chuck and chuck wasn't really God just pretending cause he wanted power. And the boys needed to figure that out and get God out so that he can take his seat again. And maybe bring the angels back and Hod can knock some sense into them. But it was a theory that was so good and the final season was rushed and jumbled and I didn't enjoy it as much. I felt like they could've had it where Chuck was using the ghosts he brought back to lead the boys to him. It would also explain why he isn't as powerful as he said. And that Amara wasn't real as well and something he made up for the story. That would have been cool. And I personally felt like Destiel wasn't real but I still respected the ship and didn't put anyone down for shipping it but that scene was fan service they did cause they thought they were giving what people wanted. (though I can't deny that dean was at least bi or bi curious). But IMO both the boys needed to die

I just remembered the early seasons, and how wonky the power scaling is. In season 5, Zachariah literally snaps away Sam & Dean’s internal organs. He’s not an archangel, much less god or death

It makes me sad to say it, but what kept us watching were the actors and the characters. Think about it: when the last time the plot was actually good? Season 5 (there are some good -episode- plots after that point, though). Season 6 through Season 11 were just either 1. A cashgrab. or 2. Pleasing the fans. And don't get me started on Season 12 through 15. You could tell they were pulling stuff out of their ass at that point. And writers and producers should know this by now, but the worst thing you can do is pander to the fans if it isn't supported by the story. I love all the characters and the Supernatural world, but damn are they bad at writing the season's plot after they lost Kripke.

The problem with season 15 begins with the ending of season 14. Chuck making a weapon that could harm him never made sense. Him becoming the ultimate villain set up a season that can’t be satisfying because there is no way to beat him. There was literally one being in Amara that could even stand up to him and she after being locked up since the beginning of creation was cool with him so she isn’t going to betray him. The best part of the season was when they lost their plot armor. These characters fight vampires, werewolves, demons and angels like those characters aren’t super strong super fast and have telekinesis. The only reason they had a shot for 15 seasons was as Chuck stated he liked watching them so he gave them plot armor. The worst part of the season was the last two episodes. Defeating Chuck came out of nowhere and I was hoping that this was the ending he wanted as him without Amara would still obliterate Jack. That’s ignoring Mike turn on them or them coming up with a spell that could kill Chuck. Really the book that is written in the language of angels that the angels didn’t read has something that can kill Chuck n know Chuck cares about that when he has existed since the beginning and has never cared before? But worse than the season finale was the series finale. Dead dies on a random hunt? Why are there hunts? Jack is the new all powerful and he didn’t get rid of demons and monsters? Wasn’t that a beef you had with Chuck, that he let all these things happen to humans? Jack with Cas by his side let monsters still exist in this world? Why when it had to be remade anyway? In the end the show’s mythology seemed to be forgotten as it had been so many times before removing any sense of tension or logic.

Tbh I think the show would’ve been better if COVID wasn’t around. I think that the writers could’ve done way hella better. But I think the ending should’ve been different

I want to think that due to covid restrictions they couldn't do a better job in the finale. But i can't understand why nobody showed up to Dean's funeral. Come on! It's f***ing Dean Winchester! A legend amongst hunters, and no-one comes to show him some respect? I don't like this ending on so many levels. I think some parts of ep.20 were to be put in ep.19, just for closure, and ent it with a longer episode (maybe 1 hour long) where our boys "carry on" with their life riding their beautiful car in the sunset.

The season 14 finale was by far the best season finale out of the series, it literally had me with my mouth wide open in shock for a good 5 minutes watching it . The series finale felt anticlimactic

Season 15 did not make sense Period. It went back on everything they said from Lucifer vs Michael fight that will end life as we know it, to God saying in a old season he has now power in the empty and then bringing back lucifer... :(

I have issues with not only dean's death (for obvious reasons) but sam's ending as well. I find it extremely hard to believe sam would retire and live out some 50 years to old age considering he knows what's out there. The monsters didn't go anywhere, and are still out there eating people. It's clear sam still worries about it as his kid has the possession tattoo. Considering his heart, I doubt sam would sit around and let people get eaten. I never liked jack. Too strong. As for chuck being the big bad. It makes sense because you can really only go up. They definitively defeated lucifer. God would be the only thing left. I mean, they beat lucifer like 3 times. It started getting stale (as much as I love the character).

Thank you!! Seeing it laid out like this just confirms my thoughts that season 15 was a mess.

Supernatural will always be my favorite show but the first 5 seasons were what drew me in. It went into a steady decline after that. The monster of the week episodes held it together for me, and Crowley was the best character up until his demise. Jack was just a mess of a character, and the whole God turns bad and Jack can absorb powers suddenly was just a big WTF moment for me. Demons went from being incredibly powerful at first to humans just killing groups of them at once. It just got to be too much. I can watch the first seasons repeatedly, but after that I'll pick and choose episodes because some are just not good imo.

Am I the only one that thinks they should have wrapped up the entire show by the end of season 5? 6-7 was where the show died a slow death. 8 proved it was no longer worth watching. I'm shocked it reached 15. A well rounded and less strung out 3 or 5 seasons could have made the show a true classic. The first 3 seasons were where it was at. 4 and 5 were silly but kinda fun. 6+ just felt like it was being taken too far.

Its supernatural people with jack as god now they could come back at any moment. Even jensen and jared said this might not be the last time you see the winchester bros.

Glad I wasn’t the only one who felt this way. I did get emotional seeing that montage in episode 19 but I think that was just my nostalgia since I grew up with the show. Seeing that the series ended on the same meh writing that has been plaguing the show since season 8 is disappointing. But I’m just glad the show is over because I don’t think they could’ve kept going for much longer

Apparently Jensen ackles HATED the season finale and the writers, producers and even Erik Kripke had to convince him to “like” it and that makes me super sad. Also I love Jared but I totally think he was cashing it in at the end because he already had Walker. I also totally think that they originally wanted to lean into Dean and Cas but also wanted to keep the male straight demographic for Walker so decided to drop it instead.

I really enjoyed your review! It's great that you could still list things you liked in the last season since most reviews seem to be unbalanced!

I love this! I feel seen! Its finally a reaction to the whole season (not just the finale), has deep analysis & research, and isn't wholly the "they ruined spn" or "it was great ur all too negative" I keep seeing even 5 months later. I agree with soooo much (though I still dislike the finale - Eileen had bett er have been sam's wife!) and this actually put words to so many thoughts/feelings I had about s15 but couldn't fully grasp. The whole thing just felt like a cosplay show of spn... Edit: YOU DID NOT HAVE TO "running on empty" US!😭

I really hated they made God the bad guy. Just seems like everyone does that now. Make Lucifer relatable and God bad. As soon as they did that I stopped watching after 15 years.

one thing the season really missed out on is bringing azazel back. season 15 brought back a lot of villains from the past, so why not bring back sam and dean's first big bad? would've certainly been better than bringing lucifer back for the millionth time

I agree with everything you said! This is about the only reaction/review I've seen that so closely reflects my own feelings so spot on. I've watched and loved this series since the premier, own the DVDs, go to conventions, etc. I've been INVESTED. So it was heartbreaking to have it end on a season that felt this disjointed and lackluster. Even tho they haven't been vocal about it, I feel badly for the leads because I'm sure they have no real influence over the actual storyline and I can't stop thinking how much more painful it must be for them to have the show they devoted 15 years of their lives to to wrap up this "meh." And then getting to witness social media confirm that pretty much all your fandom feels the same way. That's got to be rough. I'm not surprised Jensen's been virtually silent since the finale.

*☼ i watched every fight scene & season

Dean's death wasn't original. It was the same death from Metatron.

Hey, really enjoyed this! Great work, I dropped a sub looking forward to more SPN content

Dude, this was an awesome production and excellent opinionated review. Your presentation of the material is excellent, good use of video editing, very professional. Very surprised your channel is not bigger. This was a KZfaq suggested video, I’m not a subscriber. Looks like your vids are getting recommended, so good luck going forward! 👏👏👏👍👍👍

If Covid didn’t happen, we would be able to see John and Mary

Supernatural ended just like me under pressure: does okay until I get to the last 10% and then just absolutely gives up 😂😂 In all seriousness, I really wonder what exactly went down in the writing room. It really seems like they were just bouncing around between half-ideas instead of sticking to a main arc. And what's more, I was actually super excited for the God plot?? Like sure, it's super OOC of him, but there have been comments since season 4 about him being this absent father, and I thought it could tie in nicely with, ya know, the Winchesters' daddy issues. Finally resolving them, metaphorically? And it literally felt like the final boss battle with him releasing all the old monsters. It could have been _amazing_. Oh well. They had so much to work with, but I think ultimately it was fear that won, fear of ... Disappointing too many fans? And so they choked and disappointed me anyway. Cas was the reason I started watching this show, and Cas was the reason I was heartbroken at the end. They did him so dirty and I can never let that go. Anyhoo, great video! I really enjoyed it and very much agree with you. It was a bit like a fever dream, seeing this really weird ending to an overall really nice and respected show.

I feel like queer baiting isn’t a strong enough term for Destiel. I call it queer entrapment

I never feel sad and cried when Dean or Sam died because I always knew they will comeback somehow but in the last episode I cried like a baby.That's broked my heart but I feel great because Sam and Dean finally got real peace. Each Supernatural episode never disappointed me. Supernatural was like my family.

To be honest, my probably favorite things about this season was the wood nymph episode, that one episode's ending with Jensen singing at the end, Rowena, and the heaven part. Everything else just kinda seemed like a jumbled mess as if there was a bunch of ideas that they crammed together without thinking of how it works with the rest of the show. At least this is my opinion.

My feelings are so, so mixed with the ending. Even though I wasn't very happy with it I do think I'd have preferred the second last episode to be the finale. I can certainly forgive loose ends if it means jack had his Elsa moments and got rid of the monsters which means the boys can retire and finally be free... For Dean to die that way in the very next episode, after fighting so hard for his freedom for such a long time just made me so angry. In another way, it makes sense that Dean died that way and Sam got to live a life and they were reunited in heaven.. that's cool too but I don't like it and I do like it and my feelings are so mixed I'd need to do a full video to explain my feelings too lol. Hardcore fan, even have the antiposession tattoo, but I can't figure out whether I'm mad or satisfied at the end. The last season as a whole I'd say in comparison to some of the better seasons was pretty weak. But I did Love jack unlocking his powers and took gods powers, I always said I wanted that to happen and it was definitely one of my favourite parts of the entire season but then he basically turns into another chuck? Like wtf jack "I'm not going to be hands on, I'm outie" hated that. They were so mad at chuck for leaving and then jack does the same. That sucked. I would have preferred the second last episode as the finale. It gave me room to hope that maybe they got to retire and be free in a world without supernatural Evil.

I’m very disappointed with this season to be honest. This season, in my opinion, should’ve been the best out of the ENTIRE series. Everything was just all over the place n they didn’t give much time if any at all to actually let what’s going on sink in. There were literally so many ways they could’ve made this season spectacular n just on those couple of plots that they cycled through in those few episodes they really could’ve ended up being much more exciting than the ending that they actually gave us 🤦🏻‍♂️ One of the things that I probably dislike the most out of this ending is how they had Dean die on a regular hunt AFTER taking care of Chuck. Like I’m actually happy that Dean died bcuz inevitably that was how I thought he was supposed to go he’s a badass n he was built up to go out in a blaze of glory, but that’s the thing, he didn’t go out in a blaze of glory lol. He died from a metal rod sticking out of a wooden beam in a shed. That to me, was ridiculous like when I was watching the finale for the first time when it aired I was like “yeah okay they’re not really gonna kill him off like this right” 😂 but they did and that was just insane honestly. At the very least they could’ve killed him while he was fighting Chuck that would’ve been way more poetic and fitting to his character, but nope. I honestly think they should’ve waited until COVID restrictions died down so that they could finish the series off even if it would’ve been very hard to do so. This season could really have been the best out of the whole series I genuinely believe that but instead it’s arguably the worst which is extremely disappointing. And I love this show I’ve been watching Supernatural since I was 13 and I binge watched the whole series atleast 10 times by now so to see this all-time great show to end off in a really lackluster way, it sucks. Regardless ima keep rewatching this season n the whole series for god knows how long but every single time ima wonder how this series could’ve ended if they gave it more time. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Making god the villain was just a bad decision imo

Overall I loved the final season, mostly. Like Chuck said, endings are a bitch, you will never make everyone happy. I feel like I have seen these two say goodbye to each other and others so many times it was almost a cry wolf for that final one. It didnt hit like it should have. Some moments had me fling my head back laughing. Lucifer - "Wasaaaaap" lmao - I LOVE that Rowena got to take over hell, talk about perfect for her. I was disapointed that Amara didnt get more screentime I loved her character and wanted her more involved. The last "Carry On" song did get me and yes I really had to hold that in but gave in eventually. It certainly wasnt the worst but for a final ending....I dont know what I expected, too much crying over all I think. Ms Butter was freaking amazing I loved her.

I think what happened really, is that the plan was to have another season or at the very least, 24 episodes. Covid fucked them and us..like you said. I agree, an episode with Lucifer, an episode with The Alpha and Omega, etc. It just felt so rushed..all in all, it still put me over the emotional edge to have a show I watched since I was 15..come to an end..I could barely stand..mostly because I thought there was another season coming. One of the worst story ending depressions I ever fell into

Spot on! I agree with most of your points. (The only thing I don't agree about at all: I kinda liked "Last Call" because it was actually fun to watch unlike many of the other episodes in season 15 and the scenes in the bar gave me nostalgic feelings about the early seasons and Dean finally got to be a badass again. But different strokes for different folks, I guess... ;) )

Good writing isn't all cliffhangers. Good writing is setting up something having a small run and then on to something else so you don't get the same tired stuff. Something clicked with the series that made it last 15 years. The violence got a little tedius but it fit the story line. There was purpose not just putting it in because it was easy. It wasn't non stop blood shed. Character development of Sam and Dean was subtle but noticeable if one paid attention. Any morals to the episodes was up to the watcher if they were looking for any. The series stopped before it got tiresome. It hurt seeing what happened to Dean but his evolution made his passing more tear jerking and now that the brothers are with each other again forever you couldn't ask for anything more.

That ending was a hell of a tear jerker though.

I feel like the reason why they couldn’t stretch it out and had to cram a multi-plot season is simply cuz they literally can’t make a season 16 anymore

we had a whole ass season about the idea that lucifer vs michael would raze earth and here we have them throwing a couple kamehameha's at each other and then michael shanking him without even disturbing the paper on the desks. I hate how the show can't keep the power scaling and their own lore consistent.

I'm HUGE fan of Supernatural.... This ending super disappointed me... I haven't been able to watch the show ever since... It completely destroyed it for me... 💔

I think 15 was among the worst seasons, but that was only to be expected with Andrew Dabb as showrunner. I remember watching nervously, getting steadily more convinced that I would absolutely hate the finale. Then feeling overjoyed when I discovered that "Carry On" was actually wonderful. I spent the week after in a happy glow.