The FAILURE of Disney XD's Marvel Cartoons and the FUTURE of Marvel Animation

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Күн бұрын

In the 90’s the Marvel Universe found it’s home in saturday morning cartoons, An entire generation of shows came from the era -some were hits, some were misses, and some went on to define these characters for entire generations - Marvel animation has never stuck to the cultural zeitgeist the way it once did in the 90’s, -but with WHAT IF, that seems like it’s all about to change, / discord -So you have the classic old school cartoons from the 60s to the 80s, then you hit the 90s with the Marvel Animation Renaissance era, Shows like X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Hulk, Silver Surfer, all considered classic MArvel cartoons, but then you had their successors, Avengers United They Stand, and Spider-Man Unlimited, shows that never met critical or financial success, and as a result made it harder to get these shows made in the future, meaning a much slower turn around come the turn of the century -Throughout the 2000’s, Marvel made more than a few attempts to get back into the fray, -We saw Spider-Man the New Animated Series , cancelled after a season, - X-Men Evolution, which actually had a pretty fair run and was pretty influential in terms of 2000’s Marvel cartoons, one of the few success stories really. Lots of tiny quakes, but no noticeable roars,Certainly nothing that hit quite like the DCAU shows or Teen Titans had, Except maybe Spectacular Spider-Man, but ultimately that show fell apart because of licensing issues or something, So now we work our way up to the late 2000s, early 2010s, with Wolverine and the X-Men and Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes,
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00:00 90's: Marvel's Animation Renaissance era
01:10 The Downfall of Marvel Animation
02:09 Marvel Animation's 2010's Rebound
02:24 Jeph Loeb Kills the Marvel Animated Universe
02:46 The Disney XD Era of Marvel Animation
03:52 What If The New Age of Marvel Animation
04:48 The MCU Needs it's own Clone Wars
05:55 FURY'S BIG WEEK
06:39 X-Men in the MCU (in Animation?)
08:46 Marvel's INVADERS an MCU Animated Series ?
09:27 The Future of Marvel Animation
09:56 Conclusion
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@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
Friendly reminder that I've got more videos on Marvel Animation here: Covering Wolverine and the X-Men, Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes, Spectacular Spider-Man, Silver Surfer, the Incredible Hulk, and even more. Expect more videos on Next Avengers Heroes of Tomorrow, Planet Hulk, and Iron Man 's 90's cartoon coming VERY SOON kzfaq.info/sun/PLle6w-_B21WAV3udeIrfx5wvkaCKNAuvl
@mumbo_fuze2484
@mumbo_fuze2484 2 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. So you said the Hulu shows got cancelled but Hit Monkey still came out, did you mean like the second season got cancelled?
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, before the show's finished their first seasons, they already knew they wouldn't get a second. Dazzler and tigra and Howard the duck were canceled mid production. Modok and hit had too much work in the can to scrap
@mumbo_fuze2484
@mumbo_fuze2484 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 well that sucks. I actually enjoyed Hit Monkey (tho its only cuz I like these extra violent type animations). Like I was finally excited about a Marvel animation and they cancell it. Man, I miss these animated shows that are tied to the comics.
@rivaldovillegas3725
@rivaldovillegas3725 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 Defending The Long Halloween, it was meant to extend Harvey Dent'a origin into becoming Two Face as well as great comeback for Carmen Falcone and is the only reason why he gets work. But yeah he shouldn't have done work with the third Marvel Animated Universe, it had two Spiderman shows! That's how little he cared about Continuity within it. But as I Marvel Fan here's an honest question, how would you do a MAU?
@blakekwamin7400
@blakekwamin7400 2 жыл бұрын
The only thing I disagree with is that the animated series to come should be tied to the MCU in anyway. Why is that even a necessity? Why can’t animation be pulled directly from the comics and be a completely different universe? This is my problem with the success of the MCU, comic material then must compete with their influence in other media like cartoons and gaming and so on
@juanrisa945
@juanrisa945 2 жыл бұрын
That was Isaac Permuletter's idea. He wants to follow-up on its success. And even cutted off the X-Men and Fantastic Four just because theybwrren't in the MCU.
@blakekwamin7400
@blakekwamin7400 2 жыл бұрын
@@juanrisa945 I’m a firm believer that ZERO animation. Should be tied to the MCU. With so many amazing comic stories, animation is the one place to get these stories told without the restrictions of live action.
@juanrisa945
@juanrisa945 2 жыл бұрын
@@blakekwamin7400 I wasn't defenfing him or anything (i sincerely don't care). I was just pointing out its all his fault.
@greatestever2560
@greatestever2560 2 жыл бұрын
I agree my friend
@BlueTyphoon2017
@BlueTyphoon2017 Жыл бұрын
@@blakekwamin7400 why not just do both? Make animated shows tying things together like mentioned in this video, and then also have separate projects started back up like earths mightiest hero’s and spectacular spider man.
@lizzumtv
@lizzumtv 2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how we got an announcement for a Spider-Man animated show set in the MCU like a day or two before you uploaded this
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
And that's exactly why I rushed the video out so quickly! It wasn't supposed to drop till Weds!!!
@princeatiba7008
@princeatiba7008 2 жыл бұрын
I never liked the Scarlett Witch bringing in the X-Men idea. It takes away from older mutant's stories. Like Wolverine being over 100 and fighting though multiple wars, and Apocalypse being around since Ancient Egypt. It gives all the mutant's their powers and origins happening at the same time, and we won't get all of the individual stories. And with Deadpool coming into the MCU I about they'd even go with the Scarlett Witch idea. I don't think they'd have Wade Wilson just being a normal guy and then some Scarlett Witch Hocus pocus gives him his powers with the illusion that he got them a different way.
@IcyDiamond
@IcyDiamond 2 жыл бұрын
Wait is Deadpool a mutant, I thought he got powers because he wanted to stop his cancer?
@ethanwilliams7706
@ethanwilliams7706 2 жыл бұрын
@The Fat Piranha Plant through mutation.
@IcyDiamond
@IcyDiamond 2 жыл бұрын
@@ethanwilliams7706 Ah I see
@princeatiba7008
@princeatiba7008 2 жыл бұрын
@@IcyDiamond I mean with Deadpool already being planned on coming into the MCU without the Scarlet Witch having brought him in. He's an X-Men character they plan to bring in without any of Wanda's magic. They can do the same for the other X-Men characters.
@camm8642
@camm8642 Жыл бұрын
Scarlet witch bringing them in was always a terrible idea for many reasons....in addition to giving a character who is not even a xman so much sway over the direction of the franchise would be a disaster and completely ruin what it means to be a mutant.
@Poolverine580
@Poolverine580 11 ай бұрын
It's funny to think that Disney's Marvel Animated Cinematic Universe had its own Secret Wars before MCU announced the release of Avengers: Secret Wars
@OptimusPrime298
@OptimusPrime298 Жыл бұрын
We need Marvel and Disney to do the marvel animated series again with the 90s roots again one day honestly
@superveryman
@superveryman 2 жыл бұрын
Hit Monkey wasn't cancelled, it's on Hulu right now. (Unless you mean a potential season 2)
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
That's what I was referring to
@k4d0s
@k4d0s 2 жыл бұрын
Wanna hear the weirdest thing? Avengers Assemble had crossovers with ultimate spider man during seasons 1,2 and 3 BUT right after that in season 4, 5 they do a crossover with the OTHER spider man from 2017 cartoon, like what?
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
Avengers Assemble has flashbacks with the EMH artstyle too
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 жыл бұрын
The wiki addresses it
@ErickReyesRomeroBanks
@ErickReyesRomeroBanks Жыл бұрын
They redesign the guardians of the galaxy also
@theincrediblespiderdude5454
@theincrediblespiderdude5454 Жыл бұрын
I hope that we Spider-Man Freshman Years Disney Plus created another marvel animated universe who gotta be their version of the Ultimate Universe. A new and different universe without nothing to do with the MCU, so for new fans could watch it without the need of watched all the movies.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 Жыл бұрын
I'm really hopeful for the show but the rumors about it getting canceled have me scared
@nicolaspajuelo
@nicolaspajuelo 2 жыл бұрын
the marvel disney XD animated universe there basically just trying to advertised the MCU and to sale toys
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
PREACH!!! And the toys that came from those Marvel cartoons sucked too. They don't even make Marvel Legends of them.
@nazishhussain2712
@nazishhussain2712 2 жыл бұрын
And also it felt like berserk 2016
@Elvusmiw
@Elvusmiw 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 they do?
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 Just because they didn’t connect with you doesn’t mean they were bad they just tried something new and different I found them very wholesome and whimsical I find them for all ages But even if they were for “toddlers” so what little kids deserve to have a gateway to marvel too Stop gatekeeping marvel isn’t just for older fans it should have something for everyone
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 жыл бұрын
Just because they didn’t connect with you doesn’t mean they were bad they just tried something new and different I found them very wholesome and whimsical I find them for all ages But even if they were for “toddlers” so what little kids deserve to have a gateway to marvel too Stop gatekeeping marvel isn’t just for older fans it should have something for everyone
@FleshOrbital
@FleshOrbital 2 жыл бұрын
Hitmonkey did actually come out, about a week ago I think. I'd forgotten about it completely but its actually really worth a watch
@juanrisa945
@juanrisa945 2 жыл бұрын
To clarify, What If was made by Marvel Studios, not Marvel Animation.
@petesaguy1707
@petesaguy1707 2 жыл бұрын
Watch YoungRippa59's take on this. People really need to stop giving Disney so many passes for the garbage things they do.
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about it, I already outgrew and retired from the MCU already since I'm not allowed to have a positive opinion on the Venom movies anymore because I'm usally the only one that likes the Venom movies :/
@isaiahkayode6526
@isaiahkayode6526 2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 who gives a damn.
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 2 жыл бұрын
@@isaiahkayode6526 Yet you don't.
@BlueTyphoon2017
@BlueTyphoon2017 Жыл бұрын
@@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 why not? Those movies were great! Don’t care what others think just enjoy what you enjoy.
@elijahblechman8633
@elijahblechman8633 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It's truly awful how Disney XD and that idoit leob (same hack that tried to pull a justice league situations on the mcu) screwed over marvel animation and the evergreen Marvel brand for years. I hope that we'll start to see better products now that what if has brought new life into marvel animation.
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 2 жыл бұрын
Ikr?? like I hate being the only kid that likes those 90's and early 2000's cartoons :(
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 Just because they didn’t connect with you doesn’t mean they were bad they just tried something new and different I found them very wholesome and whimsical I find them for all ages But even if they were for “toddlers” so what little kids deserve to have a gateway to marvel too Stop gatekeeping marvel isn’t just for older fans it should have something for everyone
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 жыл бұрын
Just because they didn’t connect with you doesn’t mean they were bad they just tried something new and different I found them very wholesome and whimsical I find them for all ages But even if they were for “toddlers” so what little kids deserve to have a gateway to marvel too Stop gatekeeping marvel isn’t just for older fans it should have something for everyone
@masido443
@masido443 3 күн бұрын
@@madnessarcade7447 They still weren't great and didn't held a candle to previous generation. Everyone deserves better shows. You like them? Great! Good for you! But objectively speaking - they're aren't up to standards that were set before.
@conradojavier7547
@conradojavier7547 Жыл бұрын
A World War 2 Captain America Cartoon should be called "Captain America's Timely Adventure".
@JosiahHerring
@JosiahHerring 2 жыл бұрын
I don't mind MCU animated series, I just don't want it to be the only animated shows we get. And luckily, that doesn't seem to be the case. I want to see new Universes built upon, kinda like what Marvel's Spider-Man tried to do before it was folded into the Disney XD MAU with the Secret Wars event. Give us familiar, but ultimately new adaptations of characters we love. Kinda in the vein of X-Men '97, I'd love to see them revisit previous universes. Maybe building on old cancelled franchises. I know we'll probably never see anything new from the FoX-Mem Universe, but it'd be cool to get a Clone Wars style show fixing continuity in that universe. I want to see Sam Raimi return to make a Spider-Man 4, but as much as I love the TASM Films, I just don't think there's a way to make a TASM3 without stepping on the toes of the new universe they're building with Venom or Morbius. So maybe a series called "The Amazing Spider-Man", which fits itself in with the TASM Continuity. For Season 1, I think I'd want a very loose adaptation of the games, trying to retroactively make them work with Canon, and to fix any continuity errors. If it's 12 episodes, I think spending 6 on the first game (setting it between the first and second films), and maybe 4 on the second game (setting it in that amount of time where Peter and Gwen were broken up). Finally, the final 2 episodes of Season 1 could be kinda what Secret Wars did for Comic Peter, where you see him leave and come back, meaning with Episode 12 we're finally set after the events of No Way Home. Season 2 could be whatever the writers want to do with this version of Spider-Man. Kinda similar to how Spectacular was a much more faithful series for Season 1 before doing it's own ideas in Season 2. Just a pitch for what I want to see.
@JoaoGabriel-gh2rg
@JoaoGabriel-gh2rg 10 ай бұрын
They could do Raimiverse Animated series adapting Spiderman movie videogames
@JoaoGabriel-gh2rg
@JoaoGabriel-gh2rg 10 ай бұрын
I like your ideas could i pick up them to make fanfictions?
@seanking8427
@seanking8427 2 жыл бұрын
I actually enjoyed the Ultimate Spider-Man Cartoon but yeah I wish Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes Spider-Man had his own TV Series
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 2 жыл бұрын
As an older Star Wars fan I really take issue with the idea that the 2008 series expanded on Star Wars media. TCW rectconned and destroyed far better pieces of media from novels to comic books and video games that had been apart of the Clone Wars multimedia project
@BlueTyphoon2017
@BlueTyphoon2017 Жыл бұрын
How so? I mean, idk, it depends on what stories your talking about. But this is a reason why I always liked the idea of splitting Star Wars into legends and canon, like the clone wars 2003 doesn’t fit with the 2008 one in the same place, not to mention that legends has a SHITTON of continuity errors, like seriously half of that is fixing stuff that came before, and unfortunately it seems like canon will have to do the same.
@conradojavier7547
@conradojavier7547 Жыл бұрын
Also Destroying Luke's Legacy, infavor for Rey's Jedi Order.
@maxleon61702
@maxleon61702 Жыл бұрын
Check.
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573
@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 Жыл бұрын
@@BlueTyphoon2017 The Classic EU only had a crazy amount of continuity because of TCW. As TCW did its it's own thing 99.9999% of the time.
@barrymills1999
@barrymills1999 2 жыл бұрын
I want MCU, continuation of 90s marvel shows and maybe something new for the teens and kids
@trevturp6891
@trevturp6891 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see MCU animated TV Shows and I also want to see Marvel animated shows that aren’t canon to the MCU.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very much in the same boat here
@trevturp6891
@trevturp6891 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 Thank you
@trevturp6891
@trevturp6891 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 This would be super interesting.
@idkrandomname4304
@idkrandomname4304 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up on stuff like avengers assemble and ultimate spiderman it introduced me to characters I never knew like falcon nova and white tiger but tbh stuff like emh and spetaular spiderman are just amazing the characters the design's are just charming
@sammysamiam5219
@sammysamiam5219 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not gonna lie that whole keeping captain America in World War II idea is what I thought they should’ve done for Peggy in what if instead of having her time traveling just like Steve. I thought they should’ve just kept her alive and be the hero of World War II, start up shield and maybe tease us for season two by showing off the human torch in action and starting the invaders.
@kevinpoe8137
@kevinpoe8137 2 жыл бұрын
There were a few shows that I liked namely the ultimate Spider-Man, agents of s.m.a.s.h., and guardians of the galaxy and even then the continuity was a mess, hulk in his own show acted more like professor hulk from endgame, where as in the other shows, he was portrayed as the mindless brute from the first avengers
@andruspolanco6935
@andruspolanco6935 2 жыл бұрын
4:58 "Why not have an animated series that takes places in the MCU?" Spider-man:Freshman year, dude!
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
Wrote and edited that before the announcement lolol
@sachinraghavan4556
@sachinraghavan4556 2 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Spiderman and Avengers Assemble are my favorite shows.
@conradojavier7547
@conradojavier7547 Жыл бұрын
I would like a Hulk Cartoon that bridged the Missing Gap of Bruce Banner's Near 20 Year of Existance in the MCU Canon.
@Tekkaman1994
@Tekkaman1994 Жыл бұрын
I really liked the 90's Marvel animated shows; X-Men, Spider-Man, Ironman, The Hulk, and The Fantastic Four. I watched X-Men and Spider-Man more so, because I been reading X-Men and Spider-Man comics during the early to late 90's. I was well past the age for animated shows on saturday mornings; as I was in my mid teens by the 90's. But being at that age, I had a better appreciation for the shows I watched, beacuse of the fact I had read the comics they were based on. I watched the animated Spider-Man show that ran from 1982-1984, but I was a child at the time, and I didn't know Spider-Man was a comic character. I also did watch Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes on Disney XD when I had cable subscription. I really liked it, I thought I was well written and had good voice acting. I never saw Avengers Assemble, because that was made to be like their MCU counterparts, and I wanted the comic versions that EMH depicted. I watched Ultimate Spider-Man though, I didn't like it. It was Peter Parker in senior high again! I wanted to see him as a young adult like he was in the 90's show(even though he was a college student; it was better than this) I don't have a Disney+ subscription, so I have never seen What If. Maybe some day I will get one and watch it.
@KCComics
@KCComics Жыл бұрын
Every last one was absolutely perfect from 66 on. People who critique the work of others act as if they deserve everything on a silver platter, but won't lift a finger to do it themselves! Let's see you do it, dufuss
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 Жыл бұрын
I will email you a 100 gb folder of fanfiction, don't test me.
@jbhstudios31
@jbhstudios31 2 жыл бұрын
After the announcement about Spiderman freshman year (which i'm really looking forward to), i'm really hoping that they do a in universe Avengers show showing the adventures they went on in between Captain America Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron. This is I think another example of them doing a clone wars type show like you suggested
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
that would be the perfect point in the timeline to explore too. Maybe even pull a Clone Wars season 6 and adapt Age of Ultron through Civil War, then cover up to Endgame
@fulcrum6760
@fulcrum6760 2 жыл бұрын
In short: It was all on Jeff Loeb.
@ichigokurosaki7505
@ichigokurosaki7505 Жыл бұрын
All Because Loeb thinks kids are slow witted morons that don't have the mental capacity to understand a story arc/plot that lasts longer than 20 minutes, he insisted on cartoons having single-episode plots because he doesn't think serialized storytelling works in kids' cartoons(even though they have in the past) he also thinks animation should be only for children
@fulcrum6760
@fulcrum6760 Жыл бұрын
@@ichigokurosaki7505 Yeah thank god Marvel is gaining traction again with animation. Say what you want about What If but that show revitalized Marvel animation on TV as a whole and they’ve been putting out bangers like Moon Girl And Devil Dinosaur, I Am Groot, Hit Monkey and maybe MODOK.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 Жыл бұрын
Tbr Batman Hush isn't even that good, and Long Halloween just ripped off the most popular cliches from 80s mob movies like Scarface and Godfather. The man's entire career is a farce. This is the guy who killed the entire ultimate universe with one bad story.
@icydazo6417
@icydazo6417 11 ай бұрын
Let’s just hope all these animated MCU projects don’t get all Kang’edup from here on out
@pooplooser6497
@pooplooser6497 Жыл бұрын
You had me at "MCU's Clone Wars"
@gundambassexe31
@gundambassexe31 Жыл бұрын
The marvel Anime was a hidden gem ❤❤ but it's not for everyone
@ptypekoffline03
@ptypekoffline03 Жыл бұрын
For all Earth Mightiest Heroes fans. They don't have to come back because Disney doesn't give a shit. Now there's one Marvel is the MCU, but the series is over, EMH in AA is. I know it's different universes, it's in the canon as! And Marvel is afraid of your EMH fandom and the return of the 80s or new animated universe. The Marvel Animated Universe or Multiverse may or may not have a design. #ReturnAvengersEMHVersion #AvengersAssemble
@Antwannnn
@Antwannnn 2 жыл бұрын
Thor and Cap always have moments lol wym Its not as buddy-buddy as War Machine and Iron Man, or even Falcon and Cap but their relationship is evident with every Avengers movie
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002
@The_Toonami-AdultSwim_fan2002 2 жыл бұрын
Oh well, I guess since I'm usally and sadly the only one that enjoyed all the 90's and 2000's Marvel cartoons... is to probably just stick to the Transformers and Digimon shows I grew up with for now on 😔
@gundambassexe31
@gundambassexe31 Жыл бұрын
I miss the marvel universe on DisneyXD and foxkids era , kids WB ones . Too bad 😓😓😓❤️❤️
@andrewclark3330
@andrewclark3330 2 жыл бұрын
ah finally, its about time we got a proper video about Marvel animation during the 2010s that isn't done as slideshows with screenshots from the shows, i really dislike those types of videos and im glad that you are FINALLY talking about these shows also 1 question, the Marvel Rising series from Marvel HQ's youtube channel was actually bad? because i watched this series a year or 2 ago and i didnt find any problems with it, so how is Marvel Rising a bad series?
@maxleon61702
@maxleon61702 Жыл бұрын
I'll go for a mix of both.
@royrogers4732
@royrogers4732 2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only person that thinks that Rhodey should just become the new Iron Man?
@Mextlatec
@Mextlatec 2 жыл бұрын
#MarvelAnimatedYostverse #SaveAvengersEMH #SaveSpectacularSpiderMan #SaveWATXM #SaveTheYostverse #restoretheyostverse #bringbackemh #SaveXMenDangerRoomProtocols #XMenLegends3
@maxleon61702
@maxleon61702 Жыл бұрын
And of course, ban, STEWIE, IS, Enceinte, too. We hate Stewie is Enceinte.
@gregtheradical
@gregtheradical 7 ай бұрын
Those things will never happen
@marciawilliams2499
@marciawilliams2499 8 ай бұрын
Hey Disney/Marvel i hope you're taking notes.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 7 ай бұрын
And job applications! Hook me up with a gig!
@comicbookking3446
@comicbookking3446 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the animation in Ultimate Spiderman ? Did you notice in the first season Of Ultimate Spiderman that The Avengers Look a little bit different and brighter compared to Avengers Assemble ? Also I think your Idea of having an animated series in the MCU Is a great idea since Roger Craig Smith for example Sounds a little bit like Chris Evans. Also Merry Christmas .🎄
@karnielcashumphries683
@karnielcashumphries683 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this
@GamerSlyRatchet1
@GamerSlyRatchet1 2 жыл бұрын
I hope not every new Marvel cartoon is an MCU one. One of my big issues with the 2010s cartoons is that they try to ape the MCU so hard. What If? was mildly interesting because of its premise, and even then, it’s just different MCU scenarios.
@iraford5788
@iraford5788 2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely more than just different mcu scenarios.
@juanrisa945
@juanrisa945 2 жыл бұрын
Wish granted. Marvel Studios is making a sequel series to the 90s X-Men series and Disney Television Animation is making a series about Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. And with the track record Disney TVA has had in the last few years, we're in for one hell of a show.
@statesminds
@statesminds 2 жыл бұрын
X-Men and Spider-Man were so good. In recent years I thought the Avengers earth's mightiest heroes show once you get used to animation was good hate it didn't last longer, also Wish spectacular spiderman didn't get canceled. DC had so many good animated movies and shows but marvel fell off which sucks bc the 90s ones were great
@DedricSilva
@DedricSilva Жыл бұрын
Funny how Jeph Loeb did great with live action Marvel shows like Daredevil but yet two live action shows like Iron Fist and Inhumans didn't and then the abomination of Marvel Animation in the 2010s.
@ShadowSonic2
@ShadowSonic2 Жыл бұрын
Loeb openly admitted he just doesn't like cartoons and doesn't think they deserve higher class writing.
@ichigokurosaki7505
@ichigokurosaki7505 Жыл бұрын
@@ShadowSonic2 He should’ve gotten Paul Dini to head the animation department
@NaquanGreen-zt4gr
@NaquanGreen-zt4gr 11 ай бұрын
​@@ichigokurosaki7505 Paul Dini wrote ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers assembled and both weren't very good.
@youngspecial64
@youngspecial64 3 ай бұрын
Bro... you HAVE to make a video over the X-Men '97 trailer. Especially when it's under a new banner called "Marvel's Animation" instead of the MCU. *Dude.* Their coming back into their ROOTS! The dark ages are aboht to end 😭😭😭.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 3 ай бұрын
The dog days are over!
@youngspecial64
@youngspecial64 3 ай бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 WE MOVE 🗣🗣🗣
@skeletor2868
@skeletor2868 Ай бұрын
9:28 if only they knew X-men '97 was right around the corner
@Mandoshawn
@Mandoshawn 2 жыл бұрын
You need to make more videos bro. I really enjoy the content.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Got a few in the works, the words of encouragement mean a lot,
@frontalspy5934
@frontalspy5934 2 жыл бұрын
i would love to see an mcu show in the clone wars animation
@John_F_Kennedy188
@John_F_Kennedy188 3 ай бұрын
Here's an idea. Why don't Marvel Studios make their canon Avengers show which tells the story of the off screen avengers missions because in the movie we only see them together twice before Civil War. Or maybe make a show about Peter Parker's first day as Spider-Man in the MCU...... Oh wait that was scrapped. Marvel seems to be trying with their marvel animation and I think they'll do well I mean X-Men '97, What If... ? Season 3, The Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and Marvel Zombies all of them were promising and who knows ? Maybe they'll recover shows like 90's Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, and Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
@emanuelcruzcarrasco4277
@emanuelcruzcarrasco4277 2 жыл бұрын
SST7 thoughts venom 1 by al ewing and ram v,also from interviews given by donny cates his hulk run will have a tone similar to the nextwave series so it will have over the top action and humor i think that (S)mashes ottley's style very much even better than spiderman, but cates has also confirmed that the series will acknowledge immortal hulk down the line just like daredevil by mark waid acknowledge the events in matt's life previous to waid's run
@prototype0z19athesaturdaym9
@prototype0z19athesaturdaym9 7 ай бұрын
Is a shame that Marvel hasn't been good with there animated shows since late 2000's/early 2010's
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 7 ай бұрын
It's heartbreaking really
@prototype0z19athesaturdaym9
@prototype0z19athesaturdaym9 7 ай бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 What worse, when you realize Avengers earth mightiest heroes and maybe ultimate spider man (i didn't like the show) were the last animated series that were based off the comics, the rest of the lastet animated shows are trying to be mcu related. Is unfortunate they lost quality on there shows.
@pugman9672
@pugman9672 2 жыл бұрын
Wait is hit monkey is already cancelled? Is then I shouldn’t bother with season one then?
@barrymills1999
@barrymills1999 2 жыл бұрын
Cast would cost a lot for what if they would have to recast everyone not just couple for what if to be a bigger show like clone wars I feel
@aquafish8404
@aquafish8404 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish they did an avengers movie after age of ultron and before civil war
@Elvusmiw
@Elvusmiw 2 жыл бұрын
Jeph loeb is somhow worse than avi arad.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head with the hammer
@Elvusmiw
@Elvusmiw 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 I saw a comment on a KZfaq video saying jeph lied by saying avengers assembled is a continuation of emh, do you know if that's true or not
@ichigokurosaki7505
@ichigokurosaki7505 Жыл бұрын
@@Elvusmiw it’s not true and that’s one of the things Loeb is a Braindead, unreliable, liar
@RM-cn8pw
@RM-cn8pw 9 ай бұрын
6:47-7:10 Thank God this part aged poorly
@hattoripool1533
@hattoripool1533 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think a marvel show that’s set in the main earth 616 universe from the comics would work?
@izuto727
@izuto727 2 жыл бұрын
I would prefer a direct adaptation, like how anime adapting manga
@Sphiinxs
@Sphiinxs Жыл бұрын
@@izuto727 speaking of anime...
@theincrediblespiderdude5454
@theincrediblespiderdude5454 Жыл бұрын
Well there's a motion comics that take place in this universe.
@user-gx6ht5dg8f
@user-gx6ht5dg8f 2 жыл бұрын
M.O.D.O.K. was good
@G-LukeJA
@G-LukeJA 7 ай бұрын
I feel like this aging poorly as we go along
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 7 ай бұрын
I won't say it aged poorly till the 90's X-Men continuation and What If Season 2 drop, but until then... I hate how inclined to agree with you I am. The MCU has completely missed the mark these last few years
@hattoripool1533
@hattoripool1533 2 жыл бұрын
Will you ever cover X-men Evolution?
@alextomlin5674
@alextomlin5674 Жыл бұрын
Apparently who did this video doesn't know animation & story telling / If it wasn't for kirby / stan lee & other early shows/ in the 1966's which I have all the collections there wouldn't be a modern marvel animated shows I collect of all them from third oarty on dvds / The Avengers 2010 - except For avengers Season5 was pretty good .The Hulk agents of smash animation is superb ./ I'm true comic book fan watching these shows they bring characters from the marvel universe they don't get airtime < Example HulknAgents of Smash Xemu The Wrestler/ Thats From The Hulk 1970's comics & deathlock the cyborg / Deathlock ..You gotta understand/ Ultimate Spiderman/ Avengers Assemble Plus Avengers 2010 series & Hulk Agents Of Smash/ Do you homework/ Spiderman & his Amazing Friends & 1981 & Before Spiderman 1981 / Its Called from from the Marvel Comic book series back in 1970s & & 80's Marvel Two in One Featuring the Thing & Marvel Universe hero & marvel team up featuring Spiderman/.its all about the story telling & of course its family friendly but has heavy plot tones ...DC as well got good shows & animation...
@ShawnMathew
@ShawnMathew 2 жыл бұрын
While I agree marvel studios having their own animation division could potentially improve their animation quality, what if wasn’t a good indicator, while some episodes were good the others were forgettable, it’s not a show I’ll watch over and over again like x men tas, spiderman tas, avengers emh etc, which is why I’m cautious about X-men 97, also not everything needs to be tied to the mcu
@iraford5788
@iraford5788 2 жыл бұрын
Most people loved what if so you'd definitely be in the minority with that opinion.
@ShawnMathew
@ShawnMathew 2 жыл бұрын
@@iraford5788 lol they could make a gay porno and mcu shills would still love it 😂 EMH is a real marvel animated show
@jin2k229
@jin2k229 Жыл бұрын
I heard hit monkey is going to get second season
@conradojavier7547
@conradojavier7547 Жыл бұрын
To a Reteoapective on Marvel Television's Shows.
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 Жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qb9jia2nvLi8aac.html
@conradojavier7547
@conradojavier7547 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperSwimTeam7 I meant about All the Shows under Jeph Loeb, & Ike Perlmutter's Supervision.
@Antwannnn
@Antwannnn 2 жыл бұрын
Superhero Squad was lit idgaf, so was Ultimate Spider-Man!
@jonathanclark2622
@jonathanclark2622 2 жыл бұрын
TBH I would rather see more marvel cartoons outside the mcu. I mean I'm open about these shows, but the marvel universe is way too big to be stuck with the mcu
@donbirkinshaw1630
@donbirkinshaw1630 2 жыл бұрын
why not both..since ixnsey plys anssounec a mcu based naiayed show spider-man freshmne year and xemn 97 that has nothing to do with the mcu shwos they dont mind doing both so why not you and some other people in the comments saying no all niamtion must be outside the mcu..why..why not both..theirs loads of points in the mcu thye couldeasily set an amiated series to help bridge gaps inbetween movies like in btween captian america winter soilder and age of ultron where the avengers assmbled tp face f agaisnt hyrda..we only saw the ending to this coflcit in age of ultor as they rushed to get hydra out the way to use ultron so you could have atv show set thier about the avenegrs time dealing with hydra and defieritn hydra related villaisn we didnt get to see in the mcu like the serptent society king cobra and madam hydra etc, or a tv show set inbetween infinty war and endggame sicne they was a massive 6byear gap their where the wolrd and the mcu went in to a massive dark age for about 5 years until thigns was restored and shwos like these can help flesh out what actually happened during these times we didnt get to see on screen..esspecially since the main oirngla avneegrs team has been retired with endgame ssince phse 4 and beyodn i moving ahead without them you coudl ahev animated shwos keeping the orignla vanegers team alive telling storys with thme we ddint get to see..their a shit loa you could do..we never saw the avengers figth aim in the mcu so we could see that in animation . maybe during the blip aim is one of the conpanys that trys taking over after the blip dring a gigantic power vaucm aim tkaes advantage of and have aim takeover kind of like in the avenegrs game after the tarring mist exsplosion but told better then the avenegrs game..becuase tat idea could work well as the avenegrs durign this time united to stop gigant coperations like aim and roxxon from tkaeing over and keeping the people of earth save..maybe show how hulk became smart hulk sicne that happened of screen..theirs alot you could do
@Blaze-hopper
@Blaze-hopper 2 жыл бұрын
Iron man is good too
@eesakhan6164
@eesakhan6164 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, what if was mid with a bad animation. The era with spectacular spiderman xmen evolution, qvengers earths mightiest heroes>>>
@cameronboushehri9423
@cameronboushehri9423 7 ай бұрын
The characters in those shows were all totally unlikeable, especially in Avengers Assemble and Guardians. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY was watching them. That’s why Marvel Studios gave up on them and stopped making more. The only show I liked was Hulk and the Agents of SMASH because it had hilarious comedy in it. That was what they and even the live action Marvel movies desperately needed, comedy and/or drama. Without them, all they had was gratuitous violence, which is one of the things I hate. Similar to Michael Bay. That’s why I never watch the Marvel movies. Still, I sure wish they make new Spider Man or Avengers cartoons, light-hearted ones with more likable characters and humor.
@Young_mir
@Young_mir Жыл бұрын
Prime video invincibles the greatest cartoon
@ShadowSonic2
@ShadowSonic2 Жыл бұрын
Eh, take away the blood and gore and it's not memorable.
@Young_mir
@Young_mir Жыл бұрын
@@ShadowSonic2 cap
@ironmaster6496
@ironmaster6496 10 ай бұрын
Eh I still prefer Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers EMH, they never needed blood, gore or pretend to be a deconstruction to create epic and even tragic moments. Not saying that invincible is bad by ane means btw, just that a lot of people just center on that as its major selling point
@ArcTrooperRod-269
@ArcTrooperRod-269 4 ай бұрын
I Really wonder what issue has your brain to UNIRONICALLY think What If is better than FREAKING Armored Adventures & World's Greatest Heroes There are shorter ways to say you have NO TASTE 😑
@hyperion1601
@hyperion1601 2 жыл бұрын
Review iron man armored adventures coward!
@SuperSwimTeam7
@SuperSwimTeam7 2 жыл бұрын
Considering it! 90s Iron Man TAS first
@thesmilyguyguy9799
@thesmilyguyguy9799 2 ай бұрын
:{ D
@randomgeek2599
@randomgeek2599 2 жыл бұрын
"What if " had an interesting style especially in 3D but it just doesn't sit right it doesn't look good nor does it feel bad just feels bleh
@iraford5788
@iraford5788 2 жыл бұрын
It looks great imo.
@nobodyknowsforsure
@nobodyknowsforsure 2 жыл бұрын
MCU animation is the worst thing they can do. There's no excuse to not adapt the actual comics (even be it loosely) to animated form. They usually win when they do. Marvel Whatif has good animation but that's about it...the idea of the watcher - the freaking watcher challenging the infinity gauntlet says it all. How about this - do actual Whatif of actual comics - they have really good stories and not just switching hero positions. I get it, an MCU fan would be okay with this but a Marvel fan knowing actual characters, knowing Thanos, knowing hulk, understanding the characters would hate seeing them poorly depicted and morphed into MCU versions. My point in all this is -- any of the animation that was timeless tried to emulate the comics as best they could. The minute the comics or animation start following the movies it's going to degrade it's quality.
@donbirkinshaw1630
@donbirkinshaw1630 2 жыл бұрын
why not both..why not adapt comic and also have a clone wars style animated series in the mcu that take place inbetweeb the movies to help develop and eslpore the classic cast of mcu characters..theirs no reason why not and theirs alot they could do..for exsampletheirs a year time gap inbetween captain america the winter soilder and age of ultron where the avenegrs aessmbled together again to fight of hydra..and we only saw they ending to this conlfict in age of utlron as they skiped over nydra nd wetn straight to ultron..here you can explore that tiem with the orginal og avenegrs going on missions to stop hydra around the world together and give certain charatcers more tiem to interact with etch other and more things to do thye ddint get to do with thse character in the movies and could also set up ultron by having tony get the idea to create it as well and have it lead direclty in to age of ultron with the orginal team members cap, iron man, thor, hulk hawkeye and black widow and you could call this capter in the mcu the avengers: operation hyrda..theirs a year time gap inbwetween age of ultron and civil war.and in the tie in comics the newly estbalsihed avengers team in avengers age of ultron cap, black widow, falcon, war machine, scareltt witch and the vision assmbled to face ultimo from ultron parts made bu the remains of hyrda and also set jp cross bones and civil war in this season, could alos do a season in btween civil war and infinty war since theirs a 2 year gap of what was the avenegrs doing while on the run and devided by the goverment..well the tie in comcis estbalished that team cap was going aorudn the wolrd in like a secert avenegrs operation stoping terrirots gangs and the ten rings from gettign ahld of alien cithari weopns and team iron man was prepairing for infifnty war and could even show thanos attack on xander where he retirved the power stone that was cut from the moives..oh a show that shwos what happened during the blip in the mcu between inffinty war and endgame since theirsa 5 year gap their and alot of crazy shit must of gone down in that tiem in the galxazyas half of all lvie dispeared and captian mavrel even said that wven space during this tiem was fractured..so yeah theirs absoutlety no reason why you cant have an animated series set in the mcu useing these iea to make shws off of..they could do ths and also make stuff that ahs nothign to do witht he mcu like the x-men 97 animated series they brought back and revived
@edriesanvicente2458
@edriesanvicente2458 2 жыл бұрын
I dont like the what if artstyle, i want more different artstyles
@donbirkinshaw1630
@donbirkinshaw1630 2 жыл бұрын
but what ifs art style was a different art style the what you would get with most aniamyed series and you dotn like it desipte askign for new styles and it is a new style..also nothign wrogn with it it looks like a moving comic book with the cell shading art style and it works well for a COMIC BOOK cartoon to yo know look like a comic book but in motion
@nicholascahyadi2770
@nicholascahyadi2770 2 жыл бұрын
What if is not a vast improvement over the disney xd shows. They're still dumbed down and ruin great scenes with dumb jokes. The yost-verse and the old shows were far better.
@iraford5788
@iraford5788 2 жыл бұрын
What if is the best marvel animated series in years and is definitely a huge improvement over the disney xd shows just for the budget and animation alone.
@donbirkinshaw1630
@donbirkinshaw1630 2 жыл бұрын
tell that to the what if dr strnage eipsode that had very little comedya nd also ended with dr strnage destorying his enitre universe and theirs not single joke in it..no wit theirs like one or 2 jokes threw out the entire episode while 99% of it took it seriously and played straight..or ultron taking destroying all live in the universe..drng the scenes where he is doing horrible shit thiers no jokes..yeah sure blakc widow and hawkeye have a few its of banter like these 2 characters normally would do together but its borken up from the ultron destorying shit portions of the episode and takes ultron as a threat deadly seriously..and you also need the lgight hearted fun scenes as well as dakr and serious scenes to break up the pace and alow the audience to laugh and enjoy themselves other then always being depressed..movies and storys in gnerla is like a roller coster theirs ups and theirs dowsn and theirs nothign wrogn show casein this with its tone..same wiht the killmonger episode their was very little comedy in that epsidoe as killmonger won and took over wakanda..or the episode where hank pym killed all the avenegrs as yellow jacket before the avenegrs could be formed..theirs almost no jokes and humour during these eispodes and thye take it very sseriosulys so yes it is a massive improvement over disney xd shows..your just either liying about this or you havent seen the show because theirs muiple episodes that uses very little humour and takes itself seriosuly..their was also next to no jokes in those episodes and because some episodes and moments do have jokes and are more light hearted does not take away form the episodes that arnt jokey and taks itself seriosuly theirs nothing wrong with having some light hearted jokes and enteritnamnet mixed within..not everything has to be taken 100%seriosuly and in a concept like what if you couldbe able to tackle different tones not jsut dark and depressing serious shit you also got to mix in togehrer with different tones and theirs nothing wrong with that..what you said here is wrong everyone i showed that dr strnage eiposde to was speechless by the end of that episode and had a monet of silcence as they set the moment sink in on that uncomfertablely tragic ending and how dark thigns got and that eispode was darker then anything the yost-verse did..i didnt see a main charatcer of a show slowlly beat them selves up and torture themselves other a live they cared about they wasnt able to save try to bring them back jsut to watxh them die over and over gaian slowly brekaing down the mans sanity that he loses himself trying to bring her back and even ends up destroying his unvierse and on top of that his plan didnt work..the person he trained to save still died at the end making all of what he didd for nothing and is invain becuase not only was he not able to save his girlfriend but doomed the entire unvierse trying to save her and failed..i dotn know single marvel cartoon that had an episode darker then that episode and i have watch alot of mavrel cartoons sicne the 90s to the 2000s to the modern day and nothing tops that episode and how dark it was..so yeah your wrong or your liying pick one
@madnessarcade7447
@madnessarcade7447 2 жыл бұрын
Just because they didn’t connect with you doesn’t mean they were bad they just tried something new and different I found them very wholesome and whimsical I find them for all ages But even if they were for “toddlers” so what little kids deserve to have a gateway to marvel too Stop gatekeeping marvel isn’t just for older fans it should have something for everyone Also marvel rising was adorable and quirky This was a toxic video filled with negativity Try being open minded to other things instead of trapped in your own world The cartoons were whimsical and wholesome Ultimate Spider-Man did well enough to be introduced into the comics anyway And canonized all the live action Disney shows from the old Disney into the marvel universe so that’s pretty cool
@spencermalley10
@spencermalley10 2 жыл бұрын
They shouldn't just be for "toddlers".
@sammalone7881
@sammalone7881 2 жыл бұрын
Meh, could really care less if the x men show up in the MCU. I have zero interest in that property. Would rather they continue experimenting with lesser knowns.
@yuvraj9797
@yuvraj9797 Жыл бұрын
i think after 2010 wewre the best shows there were those were the ones I grew up watching
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