OF COURSE I'M LYING PHIL, IT'S POKER!

The day time games at Encore are interesting to say the least. Because of the high hand promotion, so many players limp strong hands like QQ so they don’t scare away other players and so they can hit a high hand. It’s tough to navigate sometimes.

(24:10) 🤣"Mike Postle-esque"🤣 Bart Hanson...wordsmith!

Opening up the betting again from IP on the river needs a really good reason. 85$ is not one of them.

How the hell do you bet the river with this hand 😂😂 shoulda taken the free showdown

Insane trying to get thin value.

I think this is just a check back on the river. Ace eight is a bet. Any worse eight is just a check back.

Check this back. Check raise on the river at 2/5 is rarely if ever a bluff. I don't believe him. I will watch entire hand before commenting in future, sorry about that. Good lay down😊

Hate this value bet so much. I think it's wildly awful. Just because he should maybe continue betting A8 or K8 doesn't mean he will - 2/5 players don't go thin enough at all. I think plenty of players will let go of 98 and T8 at least some of the time, but are always calling better 8s. I think you're value owning yourself SO much more than you're getting paid by worse. Also, to your point on the river, I'd always bet here with thick value. It's a more consistent bluff line so more likely to get called light and virtually nothing should call your raise that isn't an absurd value hand as well (like he can't really ever just have a 4).

If villain had a set or straight on the turn, wouldn't he have to bet larger? It just doesn't make any sense why he would bet smaller on the turn in relation to the pot if he had two pair or better and then risk not getting any more value by checking the river. I feel like the majority of these calls are just two people in a hand that both have massively misplayed.

The river is a check back. Hero wins.

You said you were regularly raising thin value, you created a pattern. He would check raise any set now full house or overpair

55 would be weird. Even 72 makes more sense.

This is EXACTLY how people play in my poker room. Maybe 25% of the time they're bluffing a hand like 55 because they know they're blocking straights. But at least 75% they are showing up with a hand like 99, 87, A8, or K8.

If villain is pulling the rare river check raise bluff, 500 is way too big. He probably just needs to go 280. If villain is solid, competent player, it can’t be a bluff.

Full house is the only hand that check raises for value. He has 77 or 22 here a lot.

Caller, "I was buying more chips as he was cashing out" sounds like a CLP subscriber!😂

I don't know. I've played in quite a few games that had button straddling, never really noticed it negatively affecting the game, even if it was only 1 or 2 guys doing it.

I'm on the river here and hero is value betting. This seems like a mistake to me - villain was betting flop and turn into multiple players, which is somewhat polarizing already. Villain is going to have whiffed draws, or better value. The whiffs mostly fold while better calls, and we lose. Even worse, some of villain's missed draws will check raise us on the river, putting us in a terrible spot with a marginal top pair. One of the big differences I see between good players and recreational players is that good players find more thin value, but this seems too thin to me, and will backfire. There just aren't enough hands we're beating that will call a bet.

i guessed 55 or 66. picks up a gut shot on the turn and blocks the 56 straight. these guys are crazy and the two calls indicate hero has a medium strength hand. should not have bet the river.

In a limped pot, i can see 55 playing like this. V knkws H doesn't have a boat (he checked option pre, never w 88 or 77). Hs bets says value not bluff (would you bet 910 this size on river??) So 55 is beat, and H has 8x most likely and 8x is likely folding. So he checks 55. Pot bet he folds, check back he beats draws, small value bet he raises. Not saying its right or wrong, but is see this type of play regularly. Thats why you check back your marginal hand on the river.

Is it plus ev if we start bluffing on the turn against a small size . J8 is almost always behind here even if a J hits u still dont know if ur hand is good. So raising turn followed by a reasonable bet on river might be better than a call. Is this worth the risk in this limped pot?

In the intro you guys talked about Tunica's rich PLO history and how it's the only place it was played on a regular basis. Given this background, I could believe the villain. In PLO, turning 55 into a bluff (representing the nut straight which you're double blocking) on that turn is a pretty common play. You can get a lot of folds from hands that aren't the nuts and can't draw to the nuts. (Obviously, this doesn't translate well to NLH because you're not getting as many folds from medium-strength hands). As for the river - villain's check makes sense because the board paired. But hero's tiny bet makes villain believe that hero doesn't have a boat; and villain check-raises hoping to get hero off of anything worse than a straight.

Any 8 or good 7 is a bluff catcher. So I’m sizing my river bet to look like a bluff. $190 on the river is gonna get looked up often enough.

He could have had a number of airball bluffs. The action pre was bet call ....... so 55 and all middling 9 through 4 hands are possible. It was huge multiway.

People who bet thin on river are sometimes weak (as in this case with single paired hand and medium kicker at best) you can get to fold if you show a lot of aggression. It's also not uncommon to see people check/raise large like this when they have a HUGE hand because they want it to look like they're bluffing. Either way, it's a fold for sure.

Villain's line makes no sense on river. Any hand that he would assume hero would bet the river with would probably raise off on the turn to rhe $50 sizing. It is far more likely that hero's small river sizing telegraphed the strength of his marginal holding and induced a bluff raise from a missed draw like 9 10. Sure Villain could have been trapping, but typically river check raises for value make sense when the person OOP is calling a turn bet, rather when they are the aggressor themselves. This is even more relevant when there is not a front door flush draw that misses. The check raise sizing is also pretty large and given hero's hand looks exactly like what it is, an 8, wouldn't villain try to give that type of holding a better price like $350ish? In poker, we should alwsys try to figure out what our opponent wants us to do and do the opposite. In this scenario given all this information, it looks like he wants a fold. Any moee in depth examination just opens us up to out-leveling ourself. I would call given that i dont even think a straight is taking that raise sizing on a paired board. If he has 22 or 77 so be it.

Can you talk more about the single straddle guy killing the game? I dislike straddles as a whole. I’m not sure I understand the logic of how it will kill the game though.

What a bad action from the hero on the river. Value betting with mediocre hand and got punished!

BART you’re completely off base when you say V could never have 55 here.. he bet the flop because he is a loose/splashy player. He bet the turn bc he picked up straight outs. He check-raised the river 150% pot bc players love using “blockers” as bluffs nowadays, even if the line doesn’t make sense. Clearly, you’d want to use blockers to a full house for that type of river check-raise size, but do you think population thinks the same way you do? Bart you have to get into the minds of low-stakes live players and remember not to apply your poker knowledge to their reasoning.

Villain was playing the player. He thought he was making block bets, until hero totally caps himself with the 85, probably combined with a tell. Then villain just plays the player and makes it impossible to call. It wasn't a huge pot, and it wasn't going to become one. Take the free showdown with your very marginal value hand that isn't getting paid by worse very often.

The J is not a clean out if it comes as T9 got there too. Check back river 100%. Your bet induced the raise he put you on draw I bet. Now you have to fold a hand that had showdown value.

Raise the flop. Squeeze the good player out and try to get it HU vs the co. I know it seems crazy with a middle strength hand but put yourself in his shoes and think how uncomfortable it would make you. Even with the two combos of 78 I’d be worried about the 3 combos of 22 if I were MP. N that’s the top of range most of the range just insta folds or calls w a draw.

He had 56…

I want to put this in my Tunica location.

I actually believe the villain. Bart is out of touch w what players do

actually... 5/5 or 6/6 is EXACTLY the hand I would have put them on.

I believe him. The villian probably thought the hero was capped with two straight calls. The villian was double blocking a straight. He probably figured he had no chance to win against a river bet, so he went for the bluff. It's quite creative

Anybody else think raising the flop is a good idea? Likely gets it heads up and gives you the betting lead. MP might fold a better 8 or call with a straight draw. And if CO is so loose, he might call again with a bad hand.

Totally believe he had 55 there, he picks up straight equity on turn plus could still be ahead so he bets again, river comes he checks, sees you do you’re small value bet which you admittedly have been doing a lot and obviously have mostly one pair type hands and he decides to push you off it. Plus if he were lying about it, 55 is such a random hand to say you had. You got bluffed outta your socks

I mean, it'd take a wildly creative player to make a check-raise bluff in this spot.

I'm curious what hand he thought villain would call his river bet with that he beats?🤔

46, 45, and 56 are all in my mind

J on the turn could cause trouble

never mind not 8 7 after the check raise

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17:18 why betting here? Who's gonna call you? Not a weakerr hand, for sure. . 17:27 V r to $500!! GRRRREAT! I love this move. Now what?? Damn if you call, damn if you fold. Damned, anyway! I don't thunk it's a bluff...therefore fold that weak hand anyway.

You don't have a bet/call range betting $85 on the river, so you probably shouldn't do it. If you bet 2/3 pot or pot you absolutely have a bet/call range.

I’ve played countless hours in that room it’s easy action,that guy is lying especially w the perceived image. People in Tunica are crazy I lived in Vegas for many years and those games were soft after about noon early morning OMC’s for the most part. Tunica is ripe for the pickins

HBK plays poker now?

He probably did have 55

I think, realistically, this guy could be telling the truth. In his eyes he has a draw that busted and he's making a bluff, regardless of how little sense it makes. He's a losing player, remember him, don't make thin value bets quite this thin against him, and you'll be fine.

I LOVE PLO.

People are so bad at poker 😂

He had either 44 or 56

#TooThin I can't imagine what hand would call you. That would bet two streets into other players.

If button straddle is almost always on why not just UTG straddle. Had a player recently sit down at our table when we were mandatory UTG straddle and he refused (his decision so no hard feelings) but he then put on the button straddle. Like wtf

why can’t be 56?

i don't think betting J8 is bad here, but the size is. if you are playing against a villain who is capable of checkraising the river here as a bluff, it isn't worth betting 25% pot in position. bet 2/3 pot or check back.

How the f*** can Bart propose folding to 25 on flop.... Amazing how clueless lots of pros are

If I’m betting river for value, I’m going very very small like $50 or very big like pot to rep a missed draw, to get called by worse 8 or even a 7.

Shoutout to one of the dealer name Andy, the room is small and smell like smoke as soon as you walk in casino floors.

8 7

Anyone else just folding flop? MP should be pretty strong betting into this many players. CO is loose but can still have us crushed. Two players left to act… Yeah I’m just getting out the way here.