we would be on mars by now if svelte was how the dom originally worked

Can't help noticing the similarities to Vue 3, which is certainly not a bad thing

I actually think svelte 5's syntax is much more similar to Vue's composition API than anything. Lotta good improvements, will be interesting to test it out. I'm also curios if TS works better in Svelte these days. That's one of the biggest reasons I love JSX templating, the TS always seems to work better for me, I assume because Vue/Svelte have to manage there own LSP.

Definitely do a "playing with Svelte 5" vid

I can't wait for svelte 6: const [$data, $setData] = $state("test")

So excited to upgrade all my stupid sites to the new dope version lol

“Svelte is becoming React” “Svelte is becoming Solid” “Svelte is becoming Vue”

I'm also hyped for Svelte 5, but I love Svelte 4 and I never got the argument that is not JavaScript, implying that React somehow just is. How can people claim that JSX "is" JavaScript is beyond me. In that example, what does it tell you that "count" is updated in the DOM? You are literally mutating its value! Not such a stretch of the imagination.

Yes please! ❤ More Svelte vids Theo!

Svelte now looks like vue sfc

this looks more like, not React, no Solid, but Vue

I was wondering what's Theo's thoughts on Svelte 5 and runes. Now I'm wondering what you'll do when you first get your hands on it. Yes, absolutely make a video, preferably as you first try it out. Personally, I'm kind of hyped.

It’s really incredible how you can read through and understand documentation so quickly and with such eloquence. As a Junior dev, I hope I can read docs as quickly as you & understand them like this someday 🤞

Yes, to more content about Svelte. Looks like it has a lot of traction these dayd

Would love to see a video where you explore using runes in Svelte 5!

Yes, do more videos on Svelte and trying things out with Svelte 5... We're switching a legacy site from backbone/marionette to Svelte and would I'd like to see your thoughts on it once you have a chance to try it out... anyways, keep up the good work and content :)

Svelte 5 is cementing my belief in Solid's future being brightest. Runes are effectively signals. So not only is "svelte becoming react" but its also becoming Solid. EDIT: oh he says it too at 4:10 - dammit, why'd I comment before watching the video.

Similar to Vue $derived in Svelte can be seen as computed in Vue... Also $effect can be seen as watchEffect in Vue ...

I live the fact that Svelte 5 makes these features opt in because I will not use these.

Soooooo Sevlte 5 is secretly Vue 3

Great video as always. Would be nice if you linked to the articles you're reading for easy access though

Solidjs syntax doesn't even need a compiler for this exact thing to work. One can use solid signals like a library in any project. You should do more with solidjs since it's technically way more superior than svelte which is more hype than anything

Svelte 5 looks a bit like Vue. $derived looks like computed, $effect looks like watchEffect. But overall looks great, going to give it a shot

Svelte is basically ditching its soft magic system for a hard magic system

Would love to see more Svelte content out of curiosity

Am I the only one who isn't excited about this? It's yet another new thing to dive into. While I have great respect for Rich Harris, for me, this feels like a framework where I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing.

I still don't understand the hype about svelte 5 when we already have Vue 3 they look the same.

3:57 Svelte becoming Vue actually

Yes, please more svelte content

Would love to hear your take on ElectricSQL and the whole local-first idea.

Yes to Svelte 5 video but only if you eat a pizza pocket whilst doing so

Svelte is amazing... was amazing. Just like Vue, Svelte had an original and unique idea of how to handle state and build pages. It was its own thing, different from Angular/React/Vue. But now, just like Vue 3, Svelte 5 is slowly changing into React. This thing about "$derived", "$state", "$effect", is all just React useMemo, useState, useEffect. Vue stopped being Vue on version 3, and so its originallity lasted 2 versions (up to Vue 2). Now Svelte's originallity would've lasted 4 versions, because version 5 just proved, yet again, that React has been right all along. Two amazing frameworks, Vue and Svelte, who started gorgeouslly doing their own thing and making devs around the world fall in love and have faith in modern JS, have now copied React and become what they were originally trying to defeat. What a sad time for all JS devs. I'll have to keep with Svelte 3/4, just like I've kept with Vue 2. Knockout was right all along. Svelte... was amazing.

The hair looks good here. Great vid

We're SolidJS now!

I enjoy svelte, but I also like jsx. Maybe I should try solid

We might be witnessing the t3 stack migrating to svelte boys!!!

Sveltel Equal Vue3 :)

More Svelte!

$ is fine. I always saw using JavaScript syntax to write JavaScript as positive of svelte.

So Svelte's approach to describing reactivity actually turns into what Effector did 🤔

Whoever is on the fence, you are missing out. I switched permanently from react to svelte and I don't regret it one bit.

So it's basically implementing all the good Vue principles :D

1:25 how is it that you can't see that when count updates the markup updates as well but in react you can?

Svelte, yes more content of svelte please

The Carniatoization of the JS ecosystem continues unabated and I'm here for it.

0:20 "I don't like when people change the syntax of javascript without really good reason." Yet you like JSX?

More Svelte/SvelteKit content please 💯❤🙏👍

So Svelte 5 and Vue 3 mostly resemble React but with different namings? Hooks are observables or runes?

banger alert!!! time for me to take another look at svelte🙄

The get at 3:15 is confusing. Everything else looks way better than before!

I dont dislike the new Svelte, I just cant think of how different is Svelte compared with other frameworks now :/

Yes, more svelte please.

Vue 3 has all of this from years at this point and yet nobody talks about it anymore.

What's the point? What's fixing? Why change to be "reacty"?

Signals do not need magic, Runes are against the original idea of Svelte, it is a compiler. Solid is still the best piece of frontend framework engineering imo, it needs more adopters.

definitely do a video playing with svelte 5

Most JS frameworks are now finding out what the observer patter is?

I want to look a lot worse than Weird Al Yankovic and make everyone who sees me uncomfortable.

🔥

Not Theo tryna mimic Rich's voice😂

Great improvements, those are exactly the things that have been bothering me.

yes

Nice haircut, Theo!

T3 stack on Svelte 5 wen?

Runes really looks like hooks, svelte 5 enable more clarity and code sharing The refactoring of svelte DX prove one thing, even if we come with a dozen of (fair) critiques on React, it was implemented with really good stuff especially the introduction of the hook in the framework, it was absolutly NUTS Encapsule the logic in a simple js function and use everywhere you need, it’s a very clever and useful feature Vue 3 implement a similar pattern with the composition API Even if we can do better, React stay a source of inspiration for the new frameworks

Did Theo just hit puberty?

Literally vuejs

Svelte is basically now react with jotai

Very nice mustache sir!

Feels like VueJS in steroids, i like it

it's sad that we lost surgical updates tho, now it feels like render function in react. but maybe there's a performance benefit.. edit: surgical updates are kinda back (when you call function in your template)

That's "it's more like React" comment hurt me, mostly because it's true.

more svelte please

Yeah. I never loved $ but yeah, the dumped everything sub-optimal 🎉

WE LOVE YOU THEOOOOOO ❤❤❤❤

More Svelte pls

The problem is that adding all this as an additive feature means that all the previous behaviour is still there. This seems like a really strange choice to me, it'll make learning the language really confusing. Imagine trying to explain to a newcomer the difference between `let count = $state(0)` and `let count = 0` where `let count = 0` can be reactive but "it depends". I feel like they should've ditched the old behaviours all together.

Do a video where you play with Svelte 5!!!

2:19 Please explain to me how changin the syntax of `let count = 0;` to `let count = $state(0);` suddenly makes it more tracable? It is still let, it is still in the same place. let is not a constant but variable and you should expect it to change...

anyone else notice how he combed his hair

Why we need sve when we have vue. Finally, I use Astro. Not next js, not nuxt js 😂

The move away from JS hijacking is huge.

Yeah bruh, React died in 2022. Long live Svelte

Svelte 5: Vue 3

When Vue copied SFC from Svelte and Next copied Server context from Sveltekit, jus a few lines of code and we can merge these three frameworks together 😂

I just hope it dosent move more towards React.. I enjoyed writing let and knowing that Svelte will take care of it. It's not that hard to learn and follow imo

Would love to see more svelte content, seems like it's still an underloved framework

They are fixing the specific things that are holding me from actually adopting Svelte more often, very exited about Svelte 5.

Everytime i look at things happening in svelte i have uncontrollabe urge to make a statement that vue3>svelte

i know it helps with the youtube algorithm but the thumbnails are getting out of hand

What's the point of using svelte if it just do the same thing as other framework does?

OK I don't even care about the video, wtf is this hairstyle and moustache combo theo

Theo, you're not usually the best judge of things, so this feels on par.

Geezus again with the $-signs. It's my php/ jquery days all over again. My shift-key is gonna get demolished. Just go Vue at this point my guys. And your components will resemble your ts-modules-code almost 1:1. No jsx, non of this $-sign nonsense. Just regular "import {this} from that" and then using reactive variables in your html-templates. That what its suppose to be. That it!

what happened to your hairs

these fake tweet thumbnails are very samey

Dude, shape up your moustache

first

The update is awesome for svelte, but imagine writing your app around everything Svelte 5 introduces and then needing to switch front-end framework later down the line...

No to Svelte content 😳😬