Got a mic? Then you can record your drum kit! If this video helped you let us know by hitting like and subscribe🔔Thanks for watching!
@acuralee3 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about subkicks?
@alexbaumy Жыл бұрын
@@acuralee depends on the vibe you're going for. Using a subkick in conjunction with a kick out and kick in allows for a neat sound when crossing over each mic at specific low mid and high frequencies. 500 and 2k. Bus them after crossing over and eq it as one kick drum mic. Stellar!
@vincegultom6984 Жыл бұрын
T²
@jefgirdler72323 жыл бұрын
If I'm miking a set with only one mic, I'm doing it right in the middle of the kit - put it low, right over the kick, in between the high and mid toms, pointed at the snare. It works unbelievably well to pick up everything on the kit and doesn't get much of the room in comparison to the single mic position shown here.
@wmason882 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is the best way to do it with one mic. One mic out in front will always sound terrible.
@chubb19432 жыл бұрын
what mic are you using ?
@GUSCRAWF0RD2 жыл бұрын
I got a pretty good sound doing a condenser in front / high on the kick 1 inch in front maybe
@Millsmillsmills2 жыл бұрын
Mhmmmm facts
@VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Жыл бұрын
Yeah these minimal mic videos they always put the mics too far away, especially when they use the overheads, the overheads need to be waayyy lower, and preferably instead in front or back sound much better.
@diegomonteirobatera3 жыл бұрын
You bet! (New drinking game)
@StereoAnthony2 жыл бұрын
Came here to make this comment
@bassyey Жыл бұрын
Tight is a better game. Let's tighten things up!
@joceyghoul Жыл бұрын
Haha love it! And man this video really helped
@kevinwydler73057 ай бұрын
‘nice and punchy’
@catslapscollective71757 ай бұрын
Or “add a little EQ”
@cloudskat3r Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate not only how informative this video is, but how positive these two are towards all the methods. I'm working with a four mic setup right now, but hearing how good the mono setups sounded made me much more confident in my abilities and resources currently available to me. At no point did I feel like I was being talked down to. Really appreciate this, guys. Thank you.
The Glyn Johns method all day for me. You could add a room mic to that setup to get control over the “roomy” stuff. Pull down the 300Hz snare boxing - the honk - and increase the tops and you are good to go. Also put the right side mic a bit higher away from right side crashes.
@michaeljacob32312 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of that set up as well! My question is can I use that set up for live performance or will o get feedback? Thanks!
@steffenpanning2776 Жыл бұрын
@@michaeljacob3231 I'm just guessing, so take that with a grain of salt. If you have lot's of loud monitors (rock or metal) on the stage, it probably will not work very well, because the 3 mics will catch a lot of the unwanted monitor sound. In that situation you want every drum as closely miked as possible. It could maybe work with jazz, I guess.
@BenjaminGib3 жыл бұрын
Pure 5 star video content, guys, thank you to Sweetwater for setting the bar so high and doing this awesome side-by-side video and discussion!
@sweetwater3 жыл бұрын
🙌🙌
@AundreHamilton Жыл бұрын
The outro with all the different setups was dope. Good idea to all those involved.
@martingregory1613 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Thanks, Mitch and Nick! Both superb as always. As drummer since '82, I've tried many mic techniques, with the classic Glyn Johns being my favorite by far for "live" sessions and demos.
@yikelu3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing that Nick was able to give such a consistent performance that you could do that final edit with all the setups.
@sweetwater3 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@joecoleman2882 жыл бұрын
How valuable! Thanks guys for making this video! I was expecting to go down a confusing rabbit hole, and here you were! Thank you, so much!
@bjorn_moren Жыл бұрын
Great of Sweetwater to make these videos. Highly interesting, and builds a lot of goodwill.
@FanaticDrummer3 жыл бұрын
Editor must have had fun lining that up at the end lol
@jonashellborg83203 жыл бұрын
Very thorough, thank you! That was an excellent summary of microphone techniques for drums, and I liked the extra focus around 2 and 3 microphones, for us that like to keep it simple and phase issue free!
@rhymeswithdrums Жыл бұрын
This is super helpful for guys trying to get into making professional KZfaq videos. Thanks Sweetwater🤘🏼
@gonzorudeboy3 жыл бұрын
Putting all snippets at the end is nice way of comparing. Great idea!
@demolitiondayrecordsАй бұрын
Single mic sounded great. Nicely tuned kit with a tight player.
@louiscarrillo58733 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job guys! most complete approach on variations ive seen on the capturing drumset sound ive seen . thanks so much.
@sweetwater3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out, Louis! 👍
@joeruggiero592 жыл бұрын
ive found that placing a 57 about a foot above the bass drum beater, facing directly upwards gives a fairly good sound, and gives a deacently balanced sound.
@mikedaknight88543 жыл бұрын
Every gig I've played in the last 17 years I've always had the bass drum mic'd up even in a small pub corner / cafe gig. Due to convenience I think I limit at three: bass, left overhead and right overhead. Any more and it's more gear, cables and time setting up. But more importantly that is a beautiful looking kit.
@Espresso1013 жыл бұрын
You are 100% correct. I was always telling bar bands this exact same thing. Always bring a mic for the kick regardless of the size of the room, PA, etc. Anything more than that, is a cherry on top.
@rajamcraja3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how the Glyn Johns method still sounds cooler than using 4 and even 5 mics.
@ramencurry66723 жыл бұрын
Mitch says it’s one of his favorites
@Gretsch09972 жыл бұрын
Yup Just be careful when hitting a crash symbol
@ramencurry66722 жыл бұрын
Even one mic can sound great in a song. In some songs, it’s might be the best match.
@rajamcraja2 жыл бұрын
@@ramencurry6672 So true, you gotta do what the song demands
@armandotorres22832 жыл бұрын
@@Gretsch0997 why?
@Danielsonaaron3 жыл бұрын
Literally just bought my first mic kit and this shows up! Edit: bought it from Sweetwater: Samson dk707
@mrtaxi8590 Жыл бұрын
Ok the sound of that one mic in front of the kit sounds INCREDIBLE, a lot better than some close mic setups I’ve heard
@jonathanarleys2 жыл бұрын
Miking live a set of drums by 1 OH and 1 kick, Glyn John technique, and also 1 kick 1 snare and 1 OH... Overall, these 3 technique are the best for me on a situation with limited slots for mic input on the mixer.... I do use dynamics for close mic like kick and snare and a condenser with a large diaphragm for OH...
@thegoonvr89583 жыл бұрын
That’s one nice drum set!
@davemccall95943 жыл бұрын
You can check it out here: www.sweetwater.com/shop/how-to-mic-a-drum-set-with-1-2-3-4-and-more-mics/?KZfaq&Referral&ObDMKuromg8
@hussledupgamejam3 жыл бұрын
That one mic method sounds better than some kits i've heard with 10 mics 😂
@Marrero12 жыл бұрын
That ocean sunset looking drum finish is GORGEOUS
@calzaondrums3 жыл бұрын
That Glyn Johns really left me speechless. Really need to try that with my kits!
@sweetwater3 жыл бұрын
Definitely!
@TomBrownDrums2 жыл бұрын
This is a great video to bookmark, as there are many times when I’m confronted with a situation outside the studio, where they have limited numbers of mics. You opened my eyes with the idea of a single overhead with direct mic’ing of kick and snare. I have achieved good results also with a pair of overheads plus kick. As for Glyn John’s, you took the mystery away from that, and the next time I’m limited to four mics, I may try it. Glyn John’s plus two room mics would also be very flexible, as you mentioned. Thanks again!
@JVsMusicalSoundscapes Жыл бұрын
About LZ: my fav Glyn Johns drum sounds are those of LZ III (and also 'Dazed and Confused' from LZ I). If he managed that with only 3 mics as you say, that's pretty amazing (Jimmy likely helped in his production role too). IMHO, LZ II & IV sound overly 'live/raunchy', HoH sounds 'muted' somehow and PG sounds 'boomy' on a lot of the tracks, etc.
@tidalthewave98533 жыл бұрын
Just what I needed! Gonna start recording soon!
@creativeroom3653 жыл бұрын
I love the show but I’ll love to see how you EQ your overhead mics and room mic as well.
@graxjpg3 жыл бұрын
There aren’t many resources like this, other than Glenn fricker, who just does metal.
@AP021123 жыл бұрын
Not to mention his "techniques" just produce garbage
@ramencurry66723 жыл бұрын
Glenn Fricker has the best thumbnail pics on KZfaq
@morbidmanmusic3 жыл бұрын
then you are not looking. you tube is filled with how to mic drums and mic videos.
@morbidmanmusic3 жыл бұрын
@@AP02112 lots of times, not always. got some of our work to compare so i can see who is judging?
@graxjpg3 жыл бұрын
@@morbidmanmusic what I said was that there aren’t many resources on KZfaq like what sweetwater provides. Those channels are not like this
@juanziegler14713 жыл бұрын
Got my Tascam US 16x08 from u guys a couple months ago , am learning , thanks for the help at my over half a century of age !!!!! nice to have options on drums as a guitar player I need this
@shawncolemusic Жыл бұрын
The Glyn Johns sounds amazing. Their seams to be an openness to it that is very appealing.
@temskee67923 жыл бұрын
I like the single mic.. very natural sounding.. no phase
@marvmosesandhiswoodenancho9642 Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video. Honest teachers. No doubt that you care about sound and songs. I didn't feel like this was a video that was overtly trying to sell me something. I felt like it was just a fantastic summary and I'll share it.
@dennisjames28383 жыл бұрын
So nice to hear a kit from the audience perspective vs the drummer's perspective. I prefer to hear it that way even though I'm a drummer. It seems wonky to hear a mix that places the listener behind the drum kit.
@billyrayvalentine79722 жыл бұрын
As a drummer/ engineer I agree. I mix as though someone is watching the band. Not playing in the band.
@dennisjames28382 жыл бұрын
@@billyrayvalentine7972 It's funny how some people are adamant about doing it the opposite way. Makes me wonder if we should also filter the amp sounds as so that they too are from a drummer's perspective :)
@GriffenDykstra Жыл бұрын
I think that Mid Side mic techniques could have also been explored in this video, for example using a cardiod pattern mic pointed at the snare from above (mid) and using a figure 8 mic turned 90 degrees (side) pointing at the first mic.* I think it's a very good way to get a stereo image, especially in an imperfect room. *The "side" signal would be duplicated, hard panned left and right, and one of the 2 signals would have polarity reversed.
@drfabianchaman3 жыл бұрын
Cool edit at the end!
@tuulofdstrxn3 жыл бұрын
Great video, lots of useful info packed in there. If you're doing a follow-up, it'd be interesting to hear different stereo recording types. We only got to hear two here, the Glyn Johns and the A/B-pair. It would be really cool to be able to compare X/Y, ORTF, M/S and Blumlein stereo setups in the same vein as this video.
@chrisoglevoiceover3 жыл бұрын
We need more Mitch and Nick videos.
@pavendax9 ай бұрын
i really like the first one
@Cal.lm967 ай бұрын
The Glyn Johns Method really surprised me !! Great sound and in my opinion even better than with the snare mic
@alexbaumy Жыл бұрын
Can't forget a nice crush/crotch mic. My choice is the blue hummingbird or beta 87c. You can use just about anything! Lots of compression!
@johannjohann65237 ай бұрын
Great and usable video. From my perspective with all the different variants of 1-3 mics it was only the toms that seemed to really suffer. Their pitch being higher sounding and somewhat distant, but still usable. Tuning the toms differently could help with that maybe, not sure. It's amazing how well 2 good overhead mics can pick up the cymbals so well these days.
@adamjj853 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for the comprehensive comparison!
@sweetwater3 жыл бұрын
😎👍
@ericstrauch32155 ай бұрын
These how to videos are very informative. The big question is do you use the same techniques/placements with a 5,6,or 7 piece kit?
@rohitdoestech3 жыл бұрын
Love nick's videos always they are great!
@diededejong46042 жыл бұрын
Drinking game idea: take a shot every time Nick says "You bet".
@dovemaarika16682 ай бұрын
I have 1 mic no stand what i do lye it on the floor right by snare hihat and kick sounds great cheers from holland
@DanMoreauMusic2 жыл бұрын
very interesting video! just got my first acoustic drum kit and will try some of those tricks for sure!
Now not all mics are created equal lol... What mic did you use for the single set up? That Sennheiser MKH 416 shotgun? Things like 1,000 bucks lol. Oh man I'd hope it would sound good. Edit: it's awesome watching two gents who are amazing in their respective fields giving honest opinions to using minimal items to record one of the most difficult instruments to record. The knowledge between these two is priceless and I'm sure they've got stories for days. (Yes Nick to me knows his stuff, especially being a spoke person for Sweetwater he has hands on knowledge and is a great player. His Sonor kit sounds 2nd to none!
@lfg12 Жыл бұрын
Great info well presented. Exactly what I needed to know.
@brushman203 жыл бұрын
Great, informative video! I’m just a home amateur with one condenser and one decent vocal dynamic mic. One time I used the condenser as an overhead, and placed the dynamic on the beater side of the kick drum, but facing slightly upward so as to catch some snare drum. With some eq, I actually think I got a decent sound.
@riszetriple86973 жыл бұрын
❤ this channel
@joceyghoul Жыл бұрын
This was so informative, thank you so much. So far I really dig the Glyn Johns Technique. I’m really liking the mono sound. For some reason, the stereo sound is too roomy for me and my music, although I’m sure the engineers can mix it to sound amazing either way. Thanks again!
@fret2fret2213 жыл бұрын
My drummer has kick in, kick out, kick tone, snare top/bottom, hi hat, ride, 2 rooms, overhead, 4 tom mics and a stairwell mic.
@lld4012 жыл бұрын
Question how would it sound if I separate the drums etc to separate speakers and separate speakers for vocals?
@MatthewFant3 жыл бұрын
The sound of setup one and 2 was bass drum heavy because of the port. You could modify this by not cutting open the head. 🤷♂️ Glyn Johns method was the coolest is my opinion.
@slyyfox00942 жыл бұрын
I play in a rock cover band that usually plays in smallish bars and I’d like to mic my toms and snare I already mic the bass drum but whenever I bring up micing the toms and snare I get shut down because “when you mic the toms and snare it makes it too loud” but I just want it for tone not volume how do I convince them that it would be better to mic the toms and snare to sound more professional and it doesn’t make it any louder because you can turn it down.
@kissaguitar Жыл бұрын
You are doing great work. Thank you. Respect. Love
@jcdrums2798 Жыл бұрын
very good demonstration!
@teacher53763 жыл бұрын
Nice.super.solid.great.and all the best.good recorded. Sounds.
@flyingjewelstudios Жыл бұрын
Outstanding presentation 👏
@drumlover16873 жыл бұрын
Can you get a bad recording with Nick playing? I think not. And also, that Mapex kit looks and sounds beautiful.
@t.a.5092 Жыл бұрын
Wow, the single mic sounded amazing
@Icunstudio3 жыл бұрын
I'm used 8 mic drum on the Kick Snare top , snare bot Hh Tom1, Floor OvL - OvR
@javiertalavera81123 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing precious knowledge!!!
@fasteddie87823 жыл бұрын
Very INFORMATIVE....
@Northern-Pike5 ай бұрын
Great video.
@russellpeterson99432 жыл бұрын
My drummer has the symbols rather high (hail, hail rock and roll); in this case how high do you put the overheads? Or where do you put them?
@jamesnortonofficial156610 ай бұрын
Seems simple is best 👍
@GoodVibeTribe Жыл бұрын
Awesome video guys!
@dovemaarika16682 ай бұрын
1 is all you need
@sqlb3rn9 ай бұрын
Is there a general rule to keep in mind with phase? They mention room mics and a piezo mic attached to the drummer, tom bottom mics. The 3 mic method with one on the side of the kit, they mentioned phase measurement based on distance to the snare, could this make the floor tom out of phase? Is it a compromise? How do you know when there is potential for phase issues, besides just listening to playback in a control room and using your ears.
@MrGalassi Жыл бұрын
in the 4 mic tecnique with 2 overheads, you have to set the overheads at the same distance from the snare to deal with phase, like in the 3 mic "Glyn Johns" method?
@flyingjewelstudios10 ай бұрын
This is a very good video.
@beatsbezstudios2542 жыл бұрын
Everyday is a learning day, @Sweetwater
@greetthemind5 ай бұрын
I’m assuming there’s some really good DAW work happening to get this good of sound out of 2 mics
@RodClark3 жыл бұрын
Two mikes out front had a nice jazzy sound in the crashes. Overall ... probably gotta go Glynn Johns method.
@guerosensible2 жыл бұрын
1:27 3:00 4:21 5:21 6:23 11:00
@Espresso1013 жыл бұрын
Another great video guys. What was the panning of the Glyn John's more or less? I've seen videos of him saying he never hard pans them but never seen any mention if they're still equally panned or if one mic is panned more than the other, etc.
@ramasas3 Жыл бұрын
Is there any resource that explains how to mix these many mic inputs? Would it be a hardware mixer?
@tkdrums213 жыл бұрын
Amazing, informative video.
@drummer25323 жыл бұрын
What if I don't have a drumset, can I still mic it?
@jordonpolete73819 ай бұрын
What about for in home use?? I play tracks off Spotify, but can never hear what I'm playing on My drums!
@MarcelWierenga Жыл бұрын
I like this video very much! But It made me wonder where to find recordings with the 8 mike setup. In my opinion all recordings (with acoustic drums) should sound like this 😃 So please link some recordings with this technique (8 Mikes) in these reactions❤
@noahgross30433 жыл бұрын
What cymbals were used in this vid? I‘m especially wondering about that right hand crash.
@brianfoster7486 Жыл бұрын
in the two mic overhead set-up ... curious as to why sometimes I've seen people aim the two mics pointing directly down at the kit (6 oclock position) - and other times (like you're doing here), pointing toward each other (3 or 9 oclock position). Why is that? different mic types? thanks.
@LaurenceCaudwell3 жыл бұрын
This is Excellent, will be taking this knowledge into the studio next month, do you think these techniques would have sounded different recorded on oldschool tape?
@sweetwater3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Laurence. Great question! The recording techniques presented here apply to all recording mediums, including tape. Feel free to reach out with any other questions. Thanks! Jason Filloramo, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1281, Jason_Filloramo@sweetwater.com
@MarkTaylor-oi3pc3 жыл бұрын
Excellent work.
@sweetwater3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Mark! 😎
@eddiegarcia96576 ай бұрын
Is this with the mics straight into the recorder or are they connected to preamps?
@dantemakoya2 жыл бұрын
Hie, thank you for the video! I would like to ask would the setups shown here be any different for a live setting?
@sweetwater2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Usuthu. Thanks for reaching out. Absolutely. It all depends on the sound you’re after, though. And also the venue. If you’re in a church for example, I would definitely close-mic the drums. When I’m doing gigs at bars, I tend to only mic the kick and maybe the snare. I hope this helps. Jason Thiele, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1391, jason_thiele@sweetwater.com
@johnnymai2918 Жыл бұрын
What’s the ride you using on the kit? Thanks
@nicholasanstey2761 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this superb vid. A question. Say I use two overhead condensers. Two dynamics on kick and snare. If I take these into my Zoom MRS-8 recorder..one into each track... Will I then EQ and pan to my liking, then bounce onto one track.. ??... If so..will that, then, be a single, stereo, track? I'm not using pc technology. A beginner.. basics. Thanks. Nick
@sweetwater Жыл бұрын
Hey, Nick! Thanks so much for reaching out. That’s a great question. The MRS8 will bounce all of your recorded tracks into a single stereo track, which is technically 2 tracks - 1 left and 1 right. This way, all your panning that you do in the mixing stage will be represented within the final mix. I hope this helps! Nick Pasquino, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 3230, nick_pasquino@sweetwater.com
@pfpf6824 Жыл бұрын
How about a mixer? Amp?
@verdrehtewelten Жыл бұрын
the two miks 2.55 aren´t in phase. in mono the one mik sounds better, and mono is what counts. but the miks sounds really nice. it´s only the placing i don´t like ^^