Switching From Shimano STI to SRAM DoubleTap

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Switching From Shimano STI to SRAM DoubleTap

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6 жыл бұрын

How difficult is it to switch from Shimano STI road/cyclocross shifters to SRAM DoubleTap? I've been on Shimano road components since 1994 and have recently purchased a cyclocross bike with SRAM. Here's my experience with how that switch has done.

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@forbsio 5 ай бұрын

Old video, but exactly what I needed to hear while looking at a new steed. Thanks Clint!

@KrzysztofOsiecki 6 жыл бұрын

I bought gravel bike with Apex 1 this June. It took me about 2 hours to adapt. I was using Shimano's STI with my road bike earlier. The thing I like the most about SRAM's DoubleTap is that brake lever does not change position, so I can have better control over braking while changing gears.

@strobo4unl 6 жыл бұрын

I love these in depth reviews you do. Topics that need to be talked about for new/experienced riders, but no one uploads.

@joachimdeceulaer5702 3 жыл бұрын

Thx a lot. Having my cyclocross bike next week and didn't know what to expect.. watching this video now makes it a lot easier.

@michealbrothers4457 5 жыл бұрын

I switched just last week and it's been rough to say the least... I'll keep you updated a month from now. Love the videos and content you put on this channel...

@mrrager1213 2 жыл бұрын

Most useful video I could find on this subject thank you!

@ryanm2133 6 жыл бұрын

Not really on topic to this but I did go from Shimano Ultegra 6800 to Sram Red Etap, which uses the shift paddles a completely different way, and I found it to be the most intuitive system I've come across. The right paddle shifts easier, left harder and both at the same time shift the front. Extremely easy to get used to. I could never get used to the regular double tap though.

@seansurdovel2148 3 жыл бұрын

This is THE most helpful video I've been able to find on this subject. I'm just starting a build to referb an old MTB into a gravel bike and have been considering SRAM because they seem to have more flexibility in their platform to get wide-ranging gravel gears with mechanical braking. Thanks for this!

@bigd835 4 жыл бұрын

I always wondered how SRAM worked. that was a great explanation. Thank you.

@banner67b 6 жыл бұрын

just did my first CX race on a real CX bike using the SRAM double tap. I had NEVER used it before. Seriously, my MTN bike had a mechanical, so my teammate grabbed his spare CX bike and put me on it 10 minutes before the race I had NO problems adapting from my MTN Bike shifter to the double tap. So much fun!!! Brad Cat 5

@ClintGibbs 6 жыл бұрын

+banner67b lol... Welcome to real 'cross racing 😉

@johnreese3762 4 жыл бұрын

Just bought a bike with SRAM shifters! That's why I'm here. Thanks for the info!

@astromadness 3 жыл бұрын

Such a good explanation and video. I'm doing my last piece of research before making the switch myself and this is exactly the sort of information I needed to hear. Thanks so much 🙂

@neilrickard4485 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. I had my new Cube CX bike delivered to work yesterday which I am cycling home on tonight. I had no idea of the difference between the gear shifting! I only looked on here to see what Double Tap was, I thought it was just a way of jumping up a few gears! If it wasn't for this I would have ended up stuck in the hardest gear all the way home thinking it was faulty. Cheers.

@vernfrier1771 Жыл бұрын

I have 3 road bikes. Sram 1x11 ETAP, Sram 1x10 Double Tap, Shimano 2x10. I love them all but each time I hop on I've got to re-train my brain on how to shift. Nice video, thanks.

@cyberbri6899 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! I'm thinking of getting a bike that I saw the other day but didn't realize it had SRAM Force 22 and like you I've been riding with shimano for a long time, since like 1985 and have loved all the changes shimano has made but I've also been curious about SRAM for a while. I think I'll actually like the change after seeing your video!

@elizabethestevez6184 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Clint. Love your reviews.

@mace6045 6 жыл бұрын

Your missed shifts could be mitigated by playing with SRAM's reach adjust. This is feature that is commonly underused but is really nice. I have rode SRAM for a while in both CX and Road, I made the leap in 2010. Personally i think the reliability and feeling is way better then shimano. When shifting from the hoods with shimano i used to have issues grabbing the brake when i was shifting in technical sections. I really enjoy the SRAM double tap when sprinting in the drops you can draw in the shifter and maintain a more secure grip for down shifting when muscling the bike at full gas. SRAM FOR LIFE!

@av7049 Жыл бұрын

Perfect, Just what I was looking for. Cheers fella, great vid.

@peterbaskind9872 4 жыл бұрын

I recently built a touring bike. I went 1x, which drives the touring purists crazy. I also went with Force 1. It really didn’t take long to get the hang of it - maybe 20 miles. I like it fine. I have no trouble going back and forth between SRAM and my Shimano bikes.

@jasonfitch489 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. I just picked up a used road bike with SRAM Apex components. I wasn't crazy about the idea because I've always ridden Shimano, but when I test rode the bike, I realized immediately that the double tap system was sweet. Same as you, I find the biggest advantage in the drops. I have small hands, so it is a pain to have to reach around so far to get into a bigger cog with the Shimano system. Thanks for posting this video.

@carlbaker1866 4 жыл бұрын

U can lift the hood and bring the clicker towards you and then tighten in new position i believe. I saw a review on a boardman bike with this dilemma mentioned

@figjamuk 6 жыл бұрын

Good video and advice, I have recently swapped from Ultegra to Force and I am really impressed with the group-set from the brakes (calliper) to the shifting. Well worth the switch.

@bikenraider99 2 жыл бұрын

Late to the game and got a good deal on a used SRAM groupset. Appreciate the vid.

@smithpauld1501 6 жыл бұрын

My road bike is an old Specialized Roubaix with an equally old Shimano 105 triple groupies. When I built up a drop-bar commuter rig, I already had a SRAM ViaGT trigger-shifter 10-speed groupset but, lo and behold, SRAM's Exact Actuation works for MTB, Urban and Road shifters. With a set of Apex shifters, it worked just fine even after I totaled the ViaGT RD and substituted an X-9 MTB RD. That's a lot of words to say that I ride BOTH Shimano STI and SRAM double-tap regularly. Except for the odd occasion when I try to push a SRAM brake lever for a shift, I have no trouble at all. People shift from Campy with thumb shifting to Shimano or SRAM -- I'm not sure this is a really big deal, even for a retiree like me.

@monkmchorning 2 жыл бұрын

Having used friction-on-the-downtube since 1970, made more shifting mistakes switching to STI in 2004 than when I switched to doubletap in 2012. And I don't pinch my fingers when shifting and braking simultaneously. I preferred the reach adjustability with SRAM, too. Still using the same Force 10-speed ten years later.

@chencho7083 5 жыл бұрын

As an experienced team and bicycle shop mechanic I can tell that Sram is a more reliable in terms of adjustment. Is very intuitive and super durable. Like you said, Sram feels more mechanical while Shimano is more subtle when shifting. I am not saying that Shimano is bad but I prefer Sram either for mountain or road bicycle...

@leocmen 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video... I got a SRAM APEX and I was totally lost in the beginning...

@CristianValenzuela2155 5 жыл бұрын

I was about to buy a Sutra LTD, and the sole reason the LTD came with SRAM levers made me consider the regular Sutra, which shares the same frame and gives the possibility to leave it as LTD with Shimano parts. Well, after a thorough Excel draft, I've come to realize I would spend more money to leave that regular Sutra to the LTD level, but not even getting hydraulic brakes! I needed a SRAM/Shimano comparison, clicked KZfaq and I am glad I've found you. All my fears were based on that non-sense double tap. I thank you for demystifying my misleading concepts. Going LTD :) Thx

@xlink316 6 жыл бұрын

I was torn between Ultegra R8000 and SRAM Red, only because I too have only used Shimano. You made me feel better about considering an upgrade to Red. Great video!

@ClintGibbs 6 жыл бұрын

I have a test bike right now with Shimano ultegra and I realize now that I actually prefer SRAM!

@cohoonatube 5 жыл бұрын

Perfect video, thanks! Just bought a used bike with SRAM Red on it (Cannondale Synapse), and like yourself have been riding Shimano since the 90's... currently Ultegra on a Roubaix. Too a good a deal to pass up, but was concerned with finding SRAM's take on shifting a frustration.

@MrGregory777 2 жыл бұрын

This was helpful. I am planning to buy a gravel bike with a SRAM groupset but i only every used Shimano

@casperfabia 5 жыл бұрын

Very informative video. Thanks.

@newttella1043 6 жыл бұрын

I have the lower end Sram Apex on my cx. It was easy to switch. In fact I had to second guess just how accurate it works, no skipping or ambiguous half shifts. Brakes are connected to mechanical Hayes CX Expert disc brakes and works so well compared to any rim brakes I've had. Very impressed with double tap and the budget Apex group..

@smokey7930 6 жыл бұрын

My experience is pretty similar. The upshift is harder on Sram(find it really annoying) and the downshift is faster and just feels better. I am a big Shimano fan but I have to say I love the click on the Sram. I don't think it's more precise that Shimano, just that that really positive click makes you think it is.

@sham2613 2 жыл бұрын

Just watch your vid. Very helpful. Thank you

@CyclicCollective 4 жыл бұрын

Nicely explained, thanks :)

@simonpeneau7802 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your video! I plan to buy a new road bike, and i see some great bike with Sram Force 22. I search for explaination of how it works and how it is to switch from Shimano. your video helps a lot! I was focus on 105/Ultegra now I consider Rival22 or Force22 as good choice too.

@CanIHasThisName 4 жыл бұрын

I've been using Shimano my entire life. I was not very happy with Shimano 105 and Ultegra after switching from Tiagra. At first I bought mechanical Sram Rival and soon upgraded to hydraulic Force (found an amazing deal on the levers and calipers). I ride a "gravel" bike that's used more or less like an old timey rigid XC bike with 45mm tyres and it sees a lot of heavy duty use. SRAM was a perfect fit and I haven't looked back since. I've gotten used to the shifting within a single ride and I prefer how the shifting action feels; it's very positive, pronounced. SRAM is more reliable thanks to the longer cable pull. No matter what I'm riding over, no matter how hard I pedal, it just keeps on shifting. The levers also feel a lot better in my hand than Shimano's STIs (this is subjective) and since I ride on the drops a lot, I really appreciate the ridiculous range of the reach adjustment of the hydraulic levers. Probably the only objective downside is that SRAM is generally more expensive than Shimano and subjectively, I've heard of people who haven't gotten used to the shifting mechanism and also some people don't like being the odd one in the group, since vast majority of road bikes run Shimano.

@jannikheidrich2035 2 жыл бұрын

great video, thank you

@RonBonXD 2 жыл бұрын

I love this type of sti cause the clicking is just too damn satisfying

@threeinoneoil 6 жыл бұрын

Campagnolo offers easier downshifts because the total lever throw is about half of SRAM or shimano to shift 3 gears. Combine that with the fact that it is assisted by a clock spring so you aren't fighting the derailleur springs, and downshifts are easier still. Some people don't like the thumb lever, but its a much shorter throw to upshift than the competitors, and allows you to upshift 5 sprockets in one throw (great for cresting a hill). All these functions are possible because it uses a spring detent system rather than a ratchet.

@Driver8takeabreak 6 жыл бұрын

Yes. Best of both worlds. You can dump 3+ gears either direction with Campy. I love that about it. Also (similar to SRAM I believe) you can shift while breaking.

@Driver8takeabreak 6 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, you can also do a little bit of adjustment to your shifts with Campy, so it feels less robotic and mechanical, I like that.

@LeoInterHyenaem 5 жыл бұрын

The thumb lever works fine, but it is much more vulnerable to breakage. Also, Campagnolo's shifting implementation appears to be less technical, more rudimentary. Effective, but less technical.

@daverts 5 жыл бұрын

For those accustomed to SRAM/Shimano single upshift action, Campy Powershift has a lighter action and the thumb button is angled down like with EPS so that the hand doesn't need to be rotated up to put your thumb on the buttton. I've been riding ErgoPower for over 20 years, so that the wrist roll is completely intuitive and fast for me now. Campy is single lever/single action, has more secure brake levers like SRAM, and is lighter than ShimaNO. The shifting feel is very mechanical- Campy wears in, not out. STI is great for newbies and those with limited hand strength though.

@petekutheis3822 2 жыл бұрын

I have a bike with ultegra, then got one with campy. Had no problems going back and forth. Just last week I got an Argon18 with SRAM Force.. yet a 3d system. All 3 are intuitive and no issues going back and forth.

@ElPasoTom 3 жыл бұрын

Great video I’m staying with Shimano 9100 on my road bike, and SRAM XX1 on my mountain bike.

@xlink316 6 жыл бұрын

I just swapped out my Shimano 105s for SRAM (Red shifters, everything else Force). I took it for a first ride this morning and I can confirm the switch is definitely easy. Maybe once or twice I caught myself trying to push the brake lever to shift to a larger cog in the beginning of the ride, but that is about it. Super easy to reprogram myself. Much less daunting than you could imagine.

@christianromero3883 6 жыл бұрын

Bought a used Roubaix with all-Sram installed. He's right-- gets tiring shifting to the bigger cogs in the rear. Chucked these and went back to my old Dura-Ace groupo and could not be happier. Shimano STI is still the way to go.

@daverts 5 жыл бұрын

Christian Romero: STI does over more leverage for shifts up to bigger cogs since the whole lever is used. The trade off is heavier weight and more free play lever slop. Racers prefer Doubletap or Campy ErgoPower, but recreational rides often like STI.

@adamkubiak1933 4 жыл бұрын

Is made the switch. Felt at home immediately. The mis-shifts used to happen way more often on Shimano levers, as I was sometimes pressing both levers at once, absolutely disorientating the system;). Brakes... It’s hard to believe in 2020, but there are acutually people riding a rim brake road bike. When it comes to Rim brakes SRAM offers modulation that is much better for me.

@cirian75 5 жыл бұрын

Grip tape on the lever to stop miss-shifts

@jamessage5011 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Clint, I have been looking for a video like this. I have the Giant advanced pro 2 TCX (2016) which came with the double ring up front(FSA). I race CX in the pacific northwest, lots of mud, and the front derailleur is an issue. Going with Wolftooth/Shimano Ultegra set-up for now but if I like the 1x ill be looking at sram, because of the clutch derailleur.

@peterjq123 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, very useful

@simonguard5087 4 жыл бұрын

I switched Campag to SRAM and really like the double tap system and feel the shift is more like Campag than shimano in that you get a really positive click which I like. So much so I've changed my other two bikes from shimano to SRAM. I L really like the SRAM set up and won't being going back.

@rorytowers6101 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate my exact problem 🤟🏻

@ryand121984 6 жыл бұрын

Sram 1x on both bikes (CX & Mtn bike) that I have has been amazing. crisp shifting is drooling.

@BrianRPaterson 7 ай бұрын

Re brakes: I love Shimano brakes too. Mostly for performance. But also because they use mineral oil, not corrossive DOT fluid. But, that said, my new gravel bike has SRAM brakes and shifters. So I guess ill see if the pros outweigh the cons 😀 Cheers

@matthewizen 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Babyknite 4 жыл бұрын

I have made the switch and I've learned to enjoy the SRAM. Honestly the transition was not hard at all, struggled maybe the first 2 rides. Once I figured it out I personally think they work great and I'm enjoying .

@ShelbyPowell 6 жыл бұрын

I went from SRAM DoubleTap to Di2 and miss the DoubleTap. SRAM is just killing it at all levels. I even liked the modulation more of the HydroR brakes versus Shimano RS785. Waiting for you to get eTap Hydro next!

@vantewan 5 жыл бұрын

recently shifted to sram, as new bike comes with it! feels alright other then the fact that shifters seems smaller on the hood! i'll get used to it i guess!

@risingawareness13 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't made the switch because I've never had Shimano shifters and brakes on drop bars. I do love the Sram double taps on my cyclocross bike though.

@bimmer3twenty5 6 жыл бұрын

I've always been apprehensive of the pivoting brake levers of the Shimano's feeling less "secure" for gravel/CX...any truth to this, or am I just imagining problems?

@davidgibbons182 5 жыл бұрын

Love sram now, 2 of my bike have shimano and my new winter bike has sram, when I go back to my shimano bike I find myself forgetting to shift using the brake a lot. SRAM feels very precise and industrial but it’s fantastic, that’s not to take away from shimano as they both do the job of shifting absolutely brilliantly! Will I be switching my best bike out to sram? Absolutely!

@noureddineelaroussi7680 Ай бұрын

I have ridden Shimano since I could remember. back then there was only Campagnolo for road as an alternative if you could afford it, and I don't think there was anything else beside Shimano for mountain! lately, exactly 4 years ago all I have is Sram, a Specialized Stump Jumper with XX1 Gold 12 speed, a Specialized S works Transition with Sram Red 10 speed, a Cannondale Supersix Evo with Sram Red 10 speed and a Focus 2 with SRAM Red 22 YAW 11 Speed, all mechanical, don't make me start on that wireless thing, the last thing I want to do is charge the batteries on my bike! So anyway, Sram is the way to go for me from now on, I still think Shimano is good...if you haven't tried Sram yet!

@phenoge 6 жыл бұрын

I have Shimano Sora on my low-end road bike and just got SRAM Apex 1 on a new CX bike. Comfort definitely goes to Shimano. The Apex 1 felt unfinished with the exposed sheet metal on the bottom and the brake hood covers that just mush into open space at the bottom. I'm seriously wondering if something was forgotten during assembly or their comfort is just that bad.

@AzzaBit 6 жыл бұрын

I would try sram if it was more readily available in Australia. Unlike shimano, sram does not offer local warranty for parts purchased overseas, so you have to pay a premium via a lbs or with a limited choice of online retailers.

@alduarte4448 6 жыл бұрын

Always had Shimano and of course They make top performance stuff, but at times in the good old Japanese way; They don’t go out of Their comfort zone to improve and innovate their mechanical designs! True I think most of My experience apply to non disk/hydro SRAM group sets; They are simpler to operate, have a more mechanical positive sound and response. Never had to do adjustments to shifters but I heard it can take more time and effort but I still like it; seems to Me is manlier if I may say! Have not tried the eagle single front ring but Am sure it just makes things easier SRAM style!

@TengoHambre 3 жыл бұрын

Made the switch from 105 to force and love sram for their brake lever only being a brake lever🙂

@qltyctrl 6 жыл бұрын

You could put some grip tape on the shift lever. Hardware stores have it in narrow strips. Great for wet conditions

@alandougan3600 6 жыл бұрын

Joseph Comer this

@lazurm 6 жыл бұрын

That may add upwards of 2 grams...no way! :)

@minuteman2547 5 жыл бұрын

@@lazurm Ease off on the burritos, problem solved.

@lazurm 5 жыл бұрын

@@minuteman2547 Ha! (of course you knew I was being sarcastic...yes?). Actually, I never eat burritos, or much of any fast food (though burritos can be made healthfully).

@sebastianclarke2441 6 жыл бұрын

Road groupset opinion Shimano supports climbing of the cassette/down gearing while braking Shimano shifting is smoother with less resistance Sram shifting is precise, loud (sounds like music when installed on a titanium frame) and satisfying Sram offers full control of the brake lever without any accidental side to side movement of the lever on rough ground Sram is easier to switch between gears in the drops Sram has adjustable reach of the shifter paddle Sram offers completely wireless shifting Sram supports full cross chaining on 22 gear systems (big/big and small/small) Srams front mech doesn't need a trimmer and suffers zero chain rub Sram offer narrow wide chain rings with clutch derailleur for a superior offroad 1x system Srams hydraulic disc calipers offer superior stopping power over Shimano's Srams force and red groupset looks so much sexier than Shimano's ultegra and dura ace (totally subjective I know)

@JerryDuford 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%

@michaelhotten752 4 жыл бұрын

Cllint - do you still feel the same 3 yrs later? I don't. I had the recall brakes and for some reason, I gave SRAM another chance, and bought Force 1 Hydro. Now I have SRAM's famous "brake lever slop" in both levers. I actually really like the way SRAM shifts. But their brakes.... argh!

@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын

I really like the way SRAM shifters feel but I've had a hard time keeping the brakes adjusted.

@johnnyk6906 2 жыл бұрын

i should have seen this video before going to test ride my new but used Cannondale with Sram Red. my first Sram component on a road bike and I looked like a fool trying to shift-down. it took me good min or two to realize it only uses the smaller level. my brain still tries to move the big level but getting the hang of it and prefer the "feel" of actual "clicks" in Sram than the smoother "clicks" in Ultegra/DuraAce shifters.

@JohnKleman1 5 жыл бұрын

Coming in a little late to this video. I’m thinking about making the switch to sram but I’ve heard some horror stories about the longevity of the rear sram derailleur as opposed to shimano(red vs dura ace). Looking for more information about that. Anything will be helpful

@robertsonfamilyfarm9126 6 жыл бұрын

Thank You , my next bike will have Sram , it s not that Shimano Is bad reviewed, it’s that Bike pros just prefer Sram for speed and the more defined click , plus I believe Sram with the usefulness of carbon fiber into the group and Eagle for mountain bikes is jumping ahead of Shimano , interesting what’s next ?

@FenixYuk 6 жыл бұрын

I did had a lot of miss shift especially during the first few weeks and I ranted about how poor is the shifting mechanism, but after some period of getting used to the double tab, I'd say there's no going back to STI. To me that swinging move of down shifting in STI is too much of an effort especially in the drop. There was one time when i jump on my friend's shimano equipped bike and suddently feel panic as if I have forgot how to shift the STI which I had rode for years. That being said, I too feel that shimano has an upper hand in the disc brake part, not only does the hood shapes better and the pad clearance is way more forgiving then SRAM's, not to mention the difficulties of buying spare parts...

@tomazkopac1075 6 жыл бұрын

very comperhensive clip!

@willforcewisdome2267 3 жыл бұрын

105 STI switching to Sram rival double top. Shifting is realy good.

@prestachuck2867 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, Clint! My gravel bike has a Sram Apex 1x shift system with a Rival BB30 crankset. My main road bike is Campagnolo Record. It was a pretty easy thing to get used to the double tap. I'm beginning to have some arthritis in my hands now, my thumbs in particular, so those thumb buttons on the Campy ergo levers are beginning to cause some discomfort on long rides. My road bike is rim brake. I'm thinking about switching it over to either Sram Force 22 or Shimano Ultegra. It's a tough decision. I like Shimano's bottom bracket design better for BSA frames, but I think that I prefer the greater adjustability of the SRAM levers. I've heard some gripes about Sram's GXP bottom brackets and cranks eating up bearings three times a day. Do you have any experience with GXP and if so, have you had wear issues with it, or is your bike sporting a BB30 crank?

@ClintGibbs 4 жыл бұрын

I've used plenty of bikes for GXP and have hadn't really no issues. with all bottom brackets sometimes you get some creaking and need to pull out the bearings and put some grease on the threads or on the cups. But that's about it.

@prestachuck2867 4 жыл бұрын

@@ClintGibbs Thanks for the reply! Good info.

@1trucxhondamov589 5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about switching my whole gearing and drivetrain system on my mountain bike from Shimano XTR to SRAM XO, including: crankset, cassette, front and rear derailleurs, and shifters. I have been doing some research to see if SRAM was worth the expense sense SRAM tends to be about 30% more expensive than Shimano for similar bike components.

@BrianRPaterson 7 ай бұрын

I'm late to the party. But I agree, SRAM gear is way more expensive than Shimano. But its wireless AXS derailleur and shifters are great. That about all that would get me to swap from Shimano 12 speed on my MTB. The good news is that it looks like I wouldn't have to change chains or my cassette - I've seen guys run a Frankentrain with AXS shifting and Shimano cogs. Cheers

@inspectorchicken 4 жыл бұрын

SRAM Double Tap was installed on my first road bike when I got into the sport in 2013. Never touched something else and I can't imagine having something else, just maybe an electric system.

@gebhardt2 6 жыл бұрын

In 2016, I started switching all my bikes to Di2. Now I have all bikes on Di2 and I won't go back to cables. SRAM eTap is something I would like to try, but that KZfaq video shows how wireless shifting has a significant delay. No thanks. I'll stick to Shimano Di2 with wires for the best shifting I've ever seen.

@ClintGibbs 6 жыл бұрын

+Gebby Di2 is SO easy to set up

@paradox963 6 жыл бұрын

I have Etap and there is no delay and what you have seen has nothing to do with it being wireless. If you click and release the butting it is instant, there is a slight delay if you click and hold to execute a multi shift, just so you don't multi shift by accident, my friends Di2 does the same thing.

@gebhardt2 6 жыл бұрын

I'm talking about signal transfer speed. Wireless will always be slower. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eNeEptuk0d-XoHU.html

@paradox963 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah and if you see my comment on that video, you will understand the flawed assumptions made in regards to shifting speed. As for signal transfer speed this has more to do with the protocols being used than the interface. Transferring data between two directly connected computers one with 10T ethernet and one with gigabit and you will have drastically different speeds even though you are using the same cable. Also considering the exceptional small data packets being sent the latency would have to be enormous for it to be noticeable.

@basedgodstrugglin 5 жыл бұрын

Gebby significant delay? It’s like a tenth of a second

@lgarcia67 Жыл бұрын

I rented a gravel bike recently to try gravel riding. It came with the double tap SRAM shifter. I did love the gravel experience; but not the shifter. I have been a road cyclist for years and have always used Shimano. This double tap technology was confusing. I respect those who love it but it sure was not my favorite thing.

@jamese8508 6 жыл бұрын

Clint, I've just installed a 2x11 speed SRAM Force drivetrain on my gravel bike. Officially, the "Wifli" rear derailleur is rated for a maximum 32 tooth cog. Occasionally I do an event that calls for REALLY low gearing (ex Deerfield Dirt Road Randonee - 14,000 feet of climbing in a day). It would be great to be able to put in an MTB cassette with 42 tooth cog. I'm thinking maybe I could install the SRAM 1x rear derailleur for these events, which is rated for 42T. Do you see any reason that wouldn't work with a 2x drivetrain? The only thing I can think of is cage capacity, but as long as I don't cross chain it like an idiot, the 2x setup actually requires less capacity than 1x. If you have any thoughts I would appreciate them.

@Bill-Rink 6 жыл бұрын

Who new? George Jetson was right Pushing a lever on a Bike or at Spacely Space Sprockets is hard work

@adccars359 6 жыл бұрын

Bill Rink Ha ha ha ha. 🙃

@qtommyb 4 жыл бұрын

use two fingers or just middle finger, for swiping over to catch larger easier cogs, then ur index wont get gased..hope it helps

@heinerk.3263 4 жыл бұрын

I changed today. After the first tour I can say: Why didn't I switch to SRAM sooner ?! For 1x11 drives, I find the SRAM technology perfect.

@BoredSaku 6 жыл бұрын

I don't particularly like the shape and feel of sram road levers, that's my biggest reason for sticking with Shimano.

@jarnozondag694 5 жыл бұрын

I like em for cyclocross as they have bigger chuckyer more secure grip

@LeoInterHyenaem 5 жыл бұрын

A little off-topic, but not unimportant: I wish, SRAM and others ditched the 6-bolt rotor mounts and resorted to the use of Shimano's CentreLock standard in their brake rotors, too. To Me, the CentreLock hubs not only allow for faster and easier rotor removal and installation, but the mount looks and feels more polished. Does anyone know if it is possible to upgrade to CentreLock hubs and rotors, while using SRAM's shifter-brake combination? Also, My understanding is that Shimano have no equivalent to SRAM's 1-42 cassettes, do they?

@hongziyang 6 жыл бұрын

I swapped my Cannondale Slate over to a rival 1x last winter. Love it. My only complaint is how hard it is to find bikes with SRAM groupsets from the Manufacturer. (Cannondale has since seen the light with 2018 Slates which are now SRAM 1x only - as they should have been all along. SRAM 1x is perfect for that bike)

@piotrka2842 8 ай бұрын

I just switched from grx (ridden 3-4 years) to apex1 and it took one ride to get used to

@barefeg 6 жыл бұрын

do you think that sram has better protection against mud? sometimes when i crash, the brake lever activates and scoops all the mud to the inside. it's a pain to clean. it also gets into the internal gears etc.

@ClintGibbs 6 жыл бұрын

+Prastt I have no experience with out yet so I'll let someone else answer that one...

@benwilmot7094 5 жыл бұрын

I have a question about the ergonomics of the SRAM system I want to upgrade from cable discs on shimano to hydro and I am considering the SRAM system but I wonder about the shape of the hoods how are they when riding for longer periods compared to shimano ?

@ClintGibbs 5 жыл бұрын

I don't think it should be a concern at all. The downshift paddle on Sram is a little bit bigger and I find it easier to push

@mauriliojunior84 4 жыл бұрын

Sram force shifters is heavier than Shimano ones?

@PhillProBike 3 жыл бұрын

Missing gears happens with shimano as well! If you move both levers by accident they cancel each other and you need to reset the system by pressing the small lever and then shift.

@fpeter01 3 жыл бұрын

Ofc. If you want to shift to a bigger gear and you accidentaly touch the other lever, the shifting doesn't work. It's happens with gloves more often. The front shifting bothers me much more. Shifting up to a bigger chain ring is hard. I often use rather the rear shifter. (Ed: 105 set)

@divinoinosanto 2 жыл бұрын

What lever is used when shifting to smaller chainring for sram? Tia!

@benadorio 6 жыл бұрын

Having SRAM double tap is more convinient for me But still its up to the user its a matter of getting used to it Small flick big flick on the trigger finger position still the same

@nickrogers6441 6 жыл бұрын

This is something i've been wondering about for a while I may just go straight to ETAP instead?

@ClintGibbs 6 жыл бұрын

+Nick Rogers Etap is great... But much more expensive.

@xlink316 6 жыл бұрын

A lot of us would go straight to Etap if we could afford it

@scottwilson1895 6 жыл бұрын

Hi can you please do a vid on changing the rear gear cable for the force . I can't find any help on this . Thanks

@HOllyBOni 6 жыл бұрын

All SRAM 1x systems are the same in terms of setup, here is the official SRAM manual: sram-cdn-pull-zone-gsdesign.netdna-ssl.com/cdn/farfuture/NrzIjpwHiur3lTv_9ljJeooBpx7LD-lz3-z84Hj1w4U/mtime:1500485634/sites/default/files/techdocs/95-7518-007-000_rev_a_1x_road_system_user_manual.pdf GCN also has a video about setting up a SRAM road 1x.

@newttella1043 6 жыл бұрын

Found this video to help me with sram apex cable install. Maybe it might apply to your Force shifter...kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nJtmh7qi1qmllmw.html

@Julian-zc9vm 6 жыл бұрын

So can you brake and shift down into an easier gear at the same time with SRAM, like you can with STI?

@ClintGibbs 6 жыл бұрын

Yea

@draganmosurovic7915 4 жыл бұрын

SRAM BEST.NICE GIRE

@OutdoorsJustin 6 жыл бұрын

What would be any benefit of switching?

@ClintGibbs 6 жыл бұрын

+justin flynn a true 1x system for CX racing.

@kenettebalisang4958 Жыл бұрын

Can I buy that groupset?

@kje6938 4 жыл бұрын

sensah is waving break + shifters

@fatyowls 4 жыл бұрын

Quite the opposite particularly with lower end road bikes, you'll only find Shimano not Sram. I have just built up a road bike and it took me ages to find a 10 speed force groupset it's 5 years old and shifts like a new groupset..