I was going to point that Iceland has been offered to join but it was Iceland that declined

Same thing. When you don't want to join despite someone offering, you're refusing the invitation. No obligation required.

Thanks for that, exactly what I was going to say.

Yep, also Norway not joining makes Sweden and Finland look a certain way on EU maps

@@SmulenifySo? Blame the energy suppliers, not the EU. Also, check the estimated gain to the Norwegian economy. As BREXIT clearly demonstrates, barriers with you closest trading partners are not a good idea.

The people aren't always right and can be rash.

Well, you are free to do as you want. But Norway is de facto a vassal of the EU.

The eu is not only “belgian bureaucrats” 💀

@Anthony-db7cs And what does that mean! Does it mean others have to make decisions for them?

@@nouzgreb sometimes, yeah. Also, most of the people making their “decisions” are people they represented. I don’t want average Joe’s making complex societal choices. Keyboard warrior.

If you want to know the truth you have to have the courage to ask the question WHY. Why are some countries richer than others? Why are some people more successful than others? It starts with responsibility. Those people who are prepared to assume responsibility over their own lives as in general more successful than those who expect that the "community" meaning all the others are responsible for them. The fundamental principle of communism. Calling it Socialism is nothing more than putting perfume on to a pig and telling you it's a butterfly.

Is it independence if you have to pay into the EU budget and accept EU laws that you don't vote on, as Norway does? I am always surprised at that. It doesn't strike me as "independance".

@@phmagnabosc0 Norway does not have to pay, theres no penalty if it doesnt, and they do not have to accerpt EU laws either..

@@davidgreen6490 NO does pay, although it is not as much as a Member state obviously, and has to adopt a lot of EU laws, if NO is to be part of the European economic area. Almost 30% of all EU law has been adopted by NO, after it was debated. amended and passed by the EU, with no input from NO lawmakers. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

They better stay outside the dictatorship of EU !

Today's world depends on some imports no matter where, but to allow dependence on other's always ends up with 'hurt feelings'. Always. We are not one big happy family, but we do have a lot to share with each other culturally - shame the internet tossed us all into the same room too soon.

To maintain a degree of national self-sufficiency in critical areas such as this is pretty important for nations. Disparities regarding this emerging in the EU common market have always been a problem to balance.

​@@terrylandess6072 Thats not how it can work. Every country are asked to produce MORE food,not less. And yes,some items one cant produce ,often due to short growing time. But one need to keep import at a minimum. It hurt climate to import everything . It should be obvious...

The same, more or less, happened in Greece. Agriculture used to be a huge export business back when we had our own currency and no EU-wide agriculture policies. Now we can barely cover the domestic demand, with olive oil being the sole exception.

Yes and in Norway there are very few large scale farmers as in the flat countries in Europe. The farmers here have zero possibilities for that type of farming. Still, Norwegian farmers struggle. One of the farmers I know said that he wouldnt want his worst enemy to go through what hes gone through as a farmer.

The EU is the best thing that happened to Switzerland. It is ironic that I'll have to agree that not being part of it has been very beneficial to us.

Gotta protect the Swiss fishing industry

@@Alphoric 😂

@@robezy0 more power to you!

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@@brb4903 You know better, dont you ?

@@brb4903 do your research..

@@brb4903ah yes we do.

If we dont stand up, the politicians will take our responsibility on letting the WHO pandemic treaty happen. Greetings from Switzerland!

You can do that in the EU, you just get called off when acting irresponsibly

The private ones (BP, Schell...) have been in Norway for a long time.

The difference is FOREGIN investment, Norway as a state, or, rather, Norwegians as a people and ethnic group, retains control, that is key. Same reason you dont see many foreginers outside the major cities, the divide is real deep these days@@amparogonzalezalvarez2295

Norway needs an EU membership like a hole in the head.

@@amparogonzalezalvarez2295 Yes, by the norwegian rules and laws, not by the Eu directives...

Norway joining EU would be a disater for a big chunk of its people, especially people living in the outer districts of Norway.

How do you mean I work with italians so I'm actually curious.

Are they tho? Are they really? No they are not. Left and Green ideologs ruining all european countrys.

@@drinkyourtea In Italy we say: Don't let Italians rule Italy, just because all our problems are made by the politicians (Italians) and the people who vote (also Italians). And a lot of Italians says that our problems are made by EU or USA 😂

@@toddthemushroom7652 ahhh right right lol I'll tell that to the italians.

@@drinkyourtea try, but not all Italians recognise the truth

I think the swiss model is the best in the world. That's is what true democracy looks like not thos rubbish we have where the central government in partnership with big bussinesses control everything.

All democractic systems should strive to be more direct. It's ridiculous that other countries aren't doing the same

Except for women who didn't get the right to vote until the 1970s.

@@starvictory7079 better late then never

@@ghosthunter0950 There are problems with direct democracy as well, though

Yes, I like my euro coins

Geometrists are still pondering what to call the Finland-Sweden shape. 😀

​@@peterc.1618an erected land

@@mtaufiqn5040 Looks more flaccid.

To be fair, it would still appear as a penis even with Norway joined…

That is true

yeah.. forcing high quality food standards, freedom of speech ect... what a Tyranny the EU is... gimme a break...

EU is too big and diverse for direct democracy

@@AndrewStamelakis This isnt about what the EU would actually force Switzerland to do, this is about incompatibility of the system. In Switzerland every major law must be approved by the people and any law can be challenged by the the people through a vote. It doesnt matter how "good" this law is, if the swiss people dont like it, it wont be implemented and if they like it, it will. This very different from other countries.

It's not CH that should be joining the EU, but the EU that should be annexed by CH.

@@maszk9743 What a dream it would be to transform the entirety of Italy into the canton of Greater Ticino...

Heretic. How DARE you rejecting to unite with the rest of Humanity in the glorious European Imperium?

you are already under the control of eu with the only exceptions of fish agriculture and gas And you can't even vote

What are you on about? We would not lose control of our oil, gas or fish. What makes you think that?

@@PropellPelikan Selfish thinking heretics. That's what you are. And to think that your country is considered one of the most privileged on Terra just like all European countries. Precisely because you have the ability to be part of this collective that has HUGE potential for Mankind. Non-European countries would do ANYTHING to swap locations with your country so that they could be within the glorious and prosperous European continent and as such have the possibility of joining. But no, like selfish pr1cks you cherry pick the things that benefit you without assuming full responsibility and be a proud member of the European Imperium. You lot in fact remind me of Turkey. A Middle Eastern dictatorship, that basically tries to get the same pros out of the EU without joining while at the same time, badmouthing us. Disgusting. And your situation is even more disgusting since Norway could join the EU WAY easily compared to Turkey, which is unwanted btw for obvious reasons. But aight, enjoy your freedom and independence for as long as it lasts. Just don't come crying when things get dire for your country for whatever reason in the future.

​@@TrymBraathenif someone has enough on its own, there is no point in joining for else interests or desires.

We are making sure our son will inherit our home, but however the government is taking steps to stop people from leaving their children their homes, it's heartbreaking to see they are trying to make it illegal not to leave your children your home.

I just accepted, I needed to conform the narrative of Productivity when it comes to this new trillion-dollar's digital gold opportunity.

You're absolutely right, I think your proposal has much to comment on. Because when you invest, you're buying a day you don't have to work. ​@@craigpotter1262

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Honestly speaking real estate has been the best but crypto is better rough for fast wealth growth.​@@alanfuller7176

Best analysis. I would add: take them their wealth and they will apply.

@mksnz Imagine this, from Norway, past Iceland on to Danish owned Greenland, the north Atlantic would belong to Brussels, and if you count that French Island off the coast of Canada, they'd lay claim to it all, and as the various Commissioners are only accountable to the joke parliament which is run by the bureaucrats, I shudder to think what could happen.

All banking system arguments are discontinued since 2014.

Populists? You mean as opposed to ELITES. I find it extraordinary that someone could talk about a democratically popular and accountable government as if it were a bad thing.

By staying out of the EU, Norway and Iceland become rule takers rather than rule makers. How? Norway and Iceland participate in the EU single market, engage in various programs such as Erasmus, and contribute to the EU budget. The EU budget and laws governing the single market, programs, and budget are established by the EU Parliament and Council of the EU. EU citizens vote for MEPs to represent them in Parliament and national governments to send Ministers to the Council. However, citizens of Norway and Iceland are not part of the EU, so they lack the right to vote for these representatives. Consequently, they end up as rule takers rather than rule makers.

Yeaa, and a lot of EU regulations just dont seem worth it anymore. And as far as i've heard, energy prices in the EU are even higher than Norway's

@@CrispyMuffin2 Northern power grid in Norway is independent from EU, while south is tied to EU grid. Right now, northern part gets its electrictiy for about 4 times less than southern. In winter when the demand is higher, it is not rare that southern part must pay 10 times more than northern Norway.

@@CrispyMuffin2 In Ireland we pay 56c a kWh 😂. It's outrageous, one of the highest in Europe I believe.

But if Norway benefits from the EU without being directly in it, it seems only fair that they also help contribute, economically, to what makes the EU great in the first place. And regarding the rules, I guess I understand the arguement that nobody should follow rules that they aren't included in the process of making those rules, but that was Norway's choice: they are choosing to not be part of the decision making process. The current arrangement doesn't seem unfair to me.

@@Boomerrage32 didn't say it's unfair. But there's a few parts of it that seem a bit... Dumb. And yeah, Norway being one of the top contributors when not being that large itself is a bit dumb. For example having to give money from the Schengen area (Norway Iceland and Lichtenstein) 2.8 billion Euro from 2014-2021. Norway had to contribute 98% of this sum. That is all fine however the bigger issue Norwegians have with this is how it affects the Norwegian workforce. The Norwegian workforce used to have a lot of bargaining power. However with the deal every EU member citizen can apply for work in Norway. And a common thing is traveling to Norway for work, and sending the money home where it's much cheaper and traveling home ofren. Sure the worker doesn't get a lavish life in Norway, but does get one at home. And his family does too, however he can easily afford to outcompete Norwegians on Labour cost. Because he doesn't have the same living expenses a norwegian citizen has. As such the Norwegian labour market has suffered in terms of bargaining power and fair pay, on top a big increase in housing costs from foreign workers and students wanting to move here. This has lead to it being increasingly difficult for Norwegian youth to make it in the Norwegian market and they get forced into a paycheck to paycheck lifestyle reminiscent of the US. The argument is that "but it lets Norwegians work in other countries too!" Oh... Great we get to work, for lower pay in a lower cost country. Which gives you two options, live very poor in Norway or move out. Something most Norwegians don't want to do. So in effect it's a one way street. We give Europe access to the Norwegian labour market and except for in times of labour shortage we essentially just bring competition to our workers. Great for buisness. For welfare not so much. The transportation market is hit the hardest. a truck driver from Romania doesn't care if he's driving in Romania, or Norway. But he is willing to accept much lower pay. Hence 9/10 transport companies and workers in Norway aren't Norwegian. Not because Norwegians don't have enough of em, but because they keep going bankrupt having to pay Norwegian taxes, with Norwegian housing prices completing with European workers and companies paying far less Norwegian companies outsource logistics, and manufacture out of Norway. Because the deal lets them do it cheap, and they don't need to pay Norwegian prices for the workers. So it has some benefits. And it has some drawbacks. Over the years the benefits really start to become thin. Especially for the WORKING class Norwegians. Sure buisnesses love it and will always vote and lobby politicians to stay. But the people don't really benefit much. The benefits are free trade, free movement and right to work. As discussed right to work isn't really benefiting Norwegians, free trade benefits the market. But we trade with non free trade regions through trade agreements. So individual trade agreements with the different nations might just be better. Gives Norway more leverage over its resources. Oh and yeah energy companies. Fuck energy companies. Norway is a big producer of energy. So whenever energy costs are Higher in Europe than Norway. Which is quite common they SELL OUT TO EUROPE raising the energy costs of NORWEGIANS simply because they can profit more from selling to Europe even when Norwegian demand isn't satisfied yet. So dumb. We have to follow European road rules and regulations, which aren't really that good. And make no sense for a country of our climate. We would prefer to have our own rules instead. And so on so on. Benefits are really starting lot not feel all that great. The drawbacks are all there tho, and honestly they keep growing. So yeah. There's a movement to pull out of the deal because when Ukraine got invaded, and energy crisis emerged. The EU tried to force Norway to sell its power to Europe CHEAP because we are part of the free trade. Blah blah blah which would not only skyrocket the price Norwegians pay even more than it already had it would also remove a lot of our profits off the power. TLDR: many want something closer to how Switzerland does it. With individual trade agreements because the Norwegian market is affected by EU companies outcompeting Norwegian companies on price because they pay less labour costs.

Well said!

Helt enig!

1814!

Helt feil. Norge hadde vert mye bedre som et medlem av EU

@@TheCapybaraNews uheldigvis for deg, sier første paragraf i grunnloven vår nei. "Kongeriket Norge er et fritt, selvstendig, udelelig og uavhendelig rike. ..." men lykke til du

sure, just need another 9 referendums just to make "sure"

If you ask me, and I say no thanks, that is a refusal. It doesn't have to be anyone trying to force anyone.

They are trying to "force" in other ways

In Norway there are most definitely people trying to force a membership by hook or by crook. Those people are the industries and entities that would benefit financially and have no scruples about how their gain hurts the other parts of the Norwegian society and economy. Since the vote was clearly no to joining the EU(and public opinion remains so) we are now living a death by a million papercuts with legislation, rules and other things hidden in agreements quietly moving us into a sort of unspoken EU membership with no vote.

Switzerland has been sanctioned by the EU because we do not want to fulfil all the conditions set by the European Union (unemployment benefit for EU citizens from day one, arbitration court only with EU judges and without Swiss judges). EU is forcing us.

@@arisnotheles If everybody was in for their interrest and out in ther protected sectors then eu wouldn't exist

@@arisnotheles just saying that the eu should not let other countries to parasite us like norway

As a Norwegian I can inform you gentlemen that staying out of EU has little to do with "safeguarding sectors". Most of our politicians actually wants us to join and we are practically already a member through the EEA. The opposition comes from the people who fear to lose sovereignity. After occupation from Denmark and more recently Nazi-Germany, the people are very hesitant to give away any part of its sovereignity. The reason is emotional, not economic.

You say it is impossible that Switzerland will enter the EU since the country is so rich. That's the reason politicians want it to enter the EU, the UN, the WEF the WHO since the one and only interest everybody has in this Organization is MONEY - and Switzerland has it. Remember - these Unions are supposed to help - but if you country has no money they don't want you.

@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp they take from Switzerland what they need. The eu F. E. Has so many treaties with them to trade like they are an eu member, but don't force their system to implement laws, which aren't designed for a country with that particular rich population, or being a much more direct democracy, being neutral as much as possible etc.

You also jave the best System in the world. The canton system makes every democracy in the world look like a scam or at best a bad joke. People are usually ignorant to how good of a example you guys are, unfortunately.

​@@lucasbispodossantos5074the canton system.is in many regards silly😂😂😂 as swiss its always funny how people think shit works here and also think the grass is more green in this side if yhe fence when in reality its not

What is good in EU? Dictatorship of bureaucrats. If you don't know in what colour you need to paint your wall, they will say you. World of idiots!

@@kind2rethinkoh is it not? Only a swiss would completely disregard Switzerland’s system. You have no clue of how good you have it. Coming from someone that lived elsewhere in Europe and resides now in Switzerland.

@puma1304 we dont want you in our union anyway lol. You dont have any good agreement, and all you can do is cry

Vote for conservatives. When joining - you will be trading your resource-rich and culture-rich country for nothing but donations to the poorest EU states. (I'm from Luxembourg and though my country doesn't contribute as much, but from what I observe - the neighbours pay dearly for their membership)

@@kut9682 - The EU / Anti-EU stance is widely spread out on the political spectrum in Norway. But the historic two main parties (left/right) are both pro-EU. But EU is not a hot topic in Norway, because the politicians know bringing it up is a sure-fire way to tank on the opinion-polls. So they get votes on other topics, turn around a tie us closer to EU between the elections.

​@@kut9682the conservatives are the most in favour of EU membership. Vote socialist to avoid membership

Yeah you're right... Maybe we should just invade norway. 🤷🏻‍♂️😸

@@kut9682 If Luxembourg was to leave the EU, it would lose its valuable position as a tax haven within the EU, attracting EU business to set up their headquarters in Lux. Not so sure whether that's in the interest of the Luxembourgeois people.

EU should have a seperate "trade state" category. Coutnries like Turkey and Norway specifically.

Well said🎉

Yes, they are simply smart. Other countries got fooled by Brussels.

Ah yes, you mean they couldn't vote out the representatives they voted in with something like a Parlamentary election? There are Institutions for direct democracy e.g. the Citicen Assembly, as well as political parties in support of them. I am a big fan of the democracy in Switzerland and think the EU could do better, but some of you people are just making stuff up at this point.😅

@@moritzweber5707 citizens assembly! That is a Govt. Set up ie specifically chosen people to tow their line. No democracy there Sir. Total con job.

And also giving us a perspective of what it is to be outside (for the good and for the bad). So that our EU politicians don't get lazy and have to improve the EU as we could see these three countries being better outside. And as the video says, they are already on our side and somehow very integrated. Priorities are others.

Eh.....neutral countries are useless. Remember how helpful they were between Russia and Ukraine?

@@warrenschrader7481 What do you mean useless? They might have not broken a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, but when they will do that they'll do it in a neutral country. Not to mention previous deals pushed by neutral countries in history, like how Finland worked as an in between the USSR and the European Wrest after WWI, or how they harbored things like the Geneva Convention. The fact that they aren't on one side allows them to be seen as a neutral ground, they don't necessarily succeed or even have the best interest for peace, but they have a place in international politics

@@soldatox3019 I think he meant "neutral" countries within the EU like Austria, that initially blocked the EU's aid to Ukraine based on their neutrality and wanted to enforce it upon all of the EU. And since EU needs an unanimous decision for that - the haul was put for quite some time

@@oculusvision558 Neutral countries can use their neutrality to behave like vultures, taking all opportunities to enrich themselves over the misery of others, but that's more of a reason to keep them out of the EU. In addition, not all neutral countries use their neutrality that way: before joining NATO Sweden used its neutrality to be the moral conscience of Europe by arguing for Palestinian nationality, in favor of Kurdish independence after they fought against ISIS, and against intervention in Vietnam, just to name a few; they used their neutrality to bring on the international stage the voices of those who couldn't. Switzerland used to be more like Austra in the past, using their neutrality for profit, but they have tried to become clearer and they too condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine. What I'm saying is neutral countries aren't useless, even if they can use their neutrality for greed, they can also be a much needed space for international politics

Here in Iceland we have a word for that ... "peningalykt"!

By staying out of the EU, Norway and Iceland become rule takers rather than rule makers. How? Norway and Iceland participate in the EU single market, engage in various programs such as Erasmus, and contribute to the EU budget. The EU budget and laws governing the single market, programs, and budget are established by the EU Parliament and Council of the EU. EU citizens vote for MEPs to represent them in Parliament and national governments to send Ministers to the Council. However, citizens of Norway and Iceland are not part of the EU, so they lack the right to vote for these representatives. Consequently, they end up as rule takers rather than rule makers.

The best political system in the world is letting a bunch of stupid people decide for everyone else? By definition in a group of people most of them are stupid They are a powerhouse only because of geoolitics and financial industry

And would have to give up your (not so transparent) financial system 😂

​@@b.r.c9156Jealous?

​@@b.r.c9156Thanks to the US that's not even true anymore lol

@@b.r.c9156 this is false since about 20 years. the days of humber accounts are long gone.

Tbh, it has been Banking independence and in a lot of cases very questionable Banking practices that Switzerland wants to protect. That's the key reason it's not in the EU..

@@kingofcelts Yeah... there is still questions about hidden assets from a certain time period. Seeing how questions about that are always deflected and any request to put them at ease by checking have been denied. They are also relatively safe ... being boxxed in from all sides by EU/NATO members. So there is a massive safety buffer.

There will come a time when the EU will grow a pair and blockade your country completely unless you join. You'd be in the EU within a decade...

@@kingofcelts Bank secrecy doesn't exist anymore as you would imagine. It's therefore not the «key» reason it's not in the EU. You have to look further than just «banks» as «bank secrecy» with accounts and numbers exist also in other countries such as Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta or even France. On the other hand, the decision process in Switzerland has been working since 175 years under semi-direct democracy. It's rooted deeply in traditions and civic nationalism. The system in the EU is top-to-bottom whereas in Switzerland it's bottom-to-top (the Cantons might sometimes have more freedom to organise themselves than the State and you receive your Swiss nationality through a system of collecting «Local» right of vote, then cantonal right of vote that might lead to national right of vote and not the other way around. Therefore, Switzerland and the Swiss are definitely *not* ready to let go semi-direct democracy in a bottom-to-top way while the EU is the total opposite. A lot of people could see deeper interactions with the EU, none seem ready to abandon direct-democracy. Neutrality as stated in the video is a false excuse: Sweden & Finland until recently, Ireland or Austria till today were or are neutral. They are member of the EU. It's therefore something people tend to put forward but it has no real proof it would be it as other neutral countries were or are member of the EU.

​@@kingofceltsBS banking industry is no longer main source of income for Switzerland, it's pharmaceutical and chemicals now. Banking only contributes at least 3 percent of Swiss income at best

same sentiment in my circles, even the ones that was milk toast are now hardliners. all they want is out money,fish and oil, and they will fuck us on the price if they can.

"while calling us war profiteerers for selling our gas at market rate" If Norway was to suddenly stop exporting oil and gas, they would just be more mad

Then i hope we go out. We have enough things that the EU are in dire need of so its not a big issue. Fish and energy in particular. Hope we never enter the 4th reich!

@@organicperoxide4619 This type of answers is boring, they never add serious content to the debate.

@@slavianalbanovich9025 Whats wrong with it? Germany steers EU as they want...

@@slavianalbanovich9025 That's because organicperoxide is a Norwegian hard-line "Nei til EU" person. I myself am ambivalent and somewhat undecided on the EU question, so I understand your frustration over his very, very hardened stance. But, remember: In some milieus here in Norway, EU is still now viewed as the equivalent to the biblical Satan, or even worse. That's their perogative, I suppose, but I am not quite there, to put it mildly. Personally, I see both pro's and cons, and find the question a bit too complex to have a hard and fast opinion on.

An EU debate would be more accepted in norway, but. As it currently stands, the EU from what I understand is in a lawsuit of sorts for efta violations because of norway banning staffinf agencies in certain regions. As well as the ongoing mackerel quota dispute going on. From what most norwegian sees it, joining the EU would give most of the nations sovereignty over to Germany. Seeing as Norway although not a EU member, is suffering from inflation and the previous power prices which are mostly thought to be imported from the EU. Im not for nor against as it currently stands, but both sides have good arguments.

China, USA and Russia thank you for that. If Europe wasn’t a minimum united, Russia would have already invaded half of Europe.

@@luclandrot7652 sure. Like in Ukraine?

Stop falling for the crap of "Europe as an entity". Unless you understand what that means. EU is an entity that enters "mutually binding agreements" with its member countries - in which individual countries subordinate their national laws to those of the EU directives. Now - they are controlled totally by bureaucrats in Brussels. Don't like it? Be happy that you are now a member of the EU. The EU is happy too. You pay, you do, you obey, and you shut up.

Ukraine was invaded because it is not a NATO member country. If Putin invades a NATO member country then he is at war with all of NATO and he knows he can't win in that situation.@@istvanmakai280

imagine being a swiss coward lmfao

@@prehistoriccreature1800 Imagine being thrown in the Garbage truck by your mom when you were born.

@@ItzBloodless So, what happened to you. Yeah, imagine.

@@ItzBloodless Swiss coward

@@prehistoriccreature1800 look you jealous living in a 3rd World Country jealousy is such a beautiful thing you can see it the Swiss living in your head rent free.

Yes true. Their sovereign future fund would be at risk with EU membership. Norwegians are smarter than that.

Like Roman vassal states

Although we have the soverignity to decline them if we want, and can set our own rules. Just look at fishing. Norway's fisheries policies are much stricter than those of the EU, which protects the ocean much more.

Interesting standpoint. Would you elaborate a bit more on how power prices would go higher with EU member ship, when Norway is already an EAA member? Maybe there's an aspect I'm overlooking.

​@@terkkraft8057 we still dont have all the tariffs or taxes that the eu got on power production. so we still have cheaper power then the main land. would be dirt cheap if we wasn't a member of eea but that's for another argument.

富裕国家不想加入欧盟 补贴那些贫穷的欧盟成员国 以及欧盟外的贫穷国家 那些贫穷的国家应该靠自己而不是懒惰的等待救助

Are you aware that you already are under eu control in everthing except fish agriculture and energy? And you can not vote

Noen som burde lære seg bedre engelsk...

Switzerland is a nice economic mediator in Europe and for the EU. And CH is very happy with gathering the benefits. And second one question that prevents to enter the EU is a complex CH political system and organisation. I think so

I think that the problem is that the EU was funded by people with federalist ideals. A democracy simply can't function properly with that many people, especially not in such a diverse continent. And you'll end up with a tyranny of the majority issue, leading to most majority decisions essentially being undemocratic (at least in my view)... No, we need to build on a confederate model. Norway like Switzerland don't really mind following pretty much everything the EU wants, our ideals are pretty similar. But we've spent more then 500 years in unions that where harmful to us and Iceland (a part of the Norwegian Kingdom for most of that time). So I'd rather have no say in EU laws but have the right to veto any EU law, meaning that we ultimately have the sovereignty, even if it means less say in our day to day laws. At least we have that emergency ventilen, while members *have* to follow EU laws...

@@Luredreier Well, Switzerland is federalist par excellence. Albeit not big, Switzerland has almost as many cantons as there are EU member states, all with slightly different ideas and approaches, which the federal state brings together as grand coalition of many parties or rather as a consensual based government. The EU commission has many members from all different political backgrounds. Switzerland is the best example that it works. One last thing: don't be fooled by the name "Swiss Confederation", which I think you're referring to. We have been a federal state since 1848; "confederation" only refers to the "good ole times" (which is not true of course)...

I don't understand why should the rest of Europe grant the Swiss so many privileges? What are you offering? Nothing but a corrupt banking system in my eyes. I can understand Iceland and Norway's reluctance to join. Even so, its almost 50-50 for them. Swiss are just selfish in my eyes. I'd be very keen to see the EU cancel many agreements with you...

Thinking switzerland would join an even more united europe is delusional. What does that even mean more united on a local level. Just a bunch of words that don‘t mean anything.

Thanks! That is hilarious. Not sure if his target audience watches these videos? :P

@@EUMadeSimple Is it possible you can cover the new Franco-German report presenting proposals for "Reforming and Enlarging the EU for the 21st century"? www.auswaertiges-amt.de/blob/2617322/4d0e0010ffcd8c0079e21329bbbb3332/230919-rfaa-deu-fra-bericht-data.pdf

Plus you would have to take vast numbers of ILLEGAL immigrants. Just ask Sweden how that’s going. Stay out.

@@TheRedPeril sweedens madness was a realy good wake-up call to manny norwegians, before the massive uncontrolled flood in to europe, norway was actualy more in favor of helping out immigrants legal and illegal, but after the shit show, manny finaly woke up to the fact, that you cant house others, if your own house is on fire

It's artificial wealth that adds nothing tangible to Norway's economy. Why Norway has the worst economy in Europe. It's almost like Norwegians don't understand what an economy is and assume it's just about accumulating artificial wealth. Only superstitious folk lost on the periphery of civilisation could be so economically illiterate. Thinking otherwise just confirms Norway is backward-looking and isolated on the periphery of civilistion, geographically, climatically and culturally.

You understand it is possible to negotiate for exemptions from these kinds of rules to ever apply to you when joining, right? And that 100% of the countries in the EU (including yourself) would be needed to change such an exemption? For example, all countries are required to eventually abolish their national currency for the Euro, except for Denmark (and the UK before Brexit) since they have an exemption. This exemption will never change. Although speaking of Scandinavia, even though Sweden is legally required to eventually adopt the Euro, they are currently abusing a loophole in the rules to indefinitely avoid having to do it, so I guess that is also an option, lol. If Norway joined the EU they would easily be able to negotiate exemptions for more or less all of their main concerns since they are otherwise a perfect candidate member. So your concerns don't really apply.

Basically Norway would have FAR more sway over their own affairs as part of a Scandinavian voting block in the EU than they currently do. Since they would be able to get exemptions for any major concerns (sovereign funds, fishing rights, oil rights, whatever), so those could never be threatened. But it would get to have an actual voice in rules that they are currently being forced to obey without question (i.e., EU single market). And a united Scandinavian or Nordic voting block in the EU would be big enough to have a real tangible effect on any EU votes.

and we actually has say in who we trade with and how we manage our resources, instead of letting a small ultra privilegded elite in brussels controll it

@@loliko23 You know that the "small ultra privileged elite" is democratically chosen, right?

​@@JeverCraftNLit's not, as a Portuguese I must say I hate brussels and what they represent. If you had studied more you would've known that Ursula is there because of scheme and not because she was chosen. Hell, we didn't even vote for a boring and non charismatic leader like her. I proudly say that she doesn't represent me as a European

@@MartimCorreia10 I very well know how the EU works. Just that you don't like this sort of indirect democracy that happens all across the democratic world, doesn't mean that it's not democratic. Apart from that, you most know that the president of the commission as is, doesn't have any power as such. It remains very much the case that all commissioners, MEPs and council members are in those positions because of election results, be it directly or indirectly, on national level or on European level.

sure they are, chosen by the party and then voted in by the poeple such democracy@@JeverCraftNL

Angela Merkel - is a politician who got sneaked into the West German government by the Communists when the Wall came down. Trained by the STASI in the same classes where Putin studied. He lived in East Germany for many years. Today in Germany - she eliminated all Coal Mining and closed all other fossil energy production. ZERO. She declared Nuclear Energy illegal - as of 2022. Financed to Northsea Pipeline for Russia - Germany direct with a handshake with her buddy Vladimir. Need to know more?

American here in my little Switzerland for 34 years now, and I know and enjoy Liechtenstein too, especially after departing back into Switzerland, I get this feeling that it is really big. Switzerland also does the post, or mail, for Liechtenstein, as they have a 9000 zip code like eastern Switzerland. 9490 - 9494 - 9492 - 9496.

Don’t ever fold. It’s destroy Britain. We have grooming gangs raping our girls. Stay strong. Don’t fold. Kind regards, the UK. A friend of yours, please don’t forget us if we need you.

for more context: Norway was under Danish rule for long periods between 970 and 1035. Norway and Dennark were a part of the Kalmar union between 1397 and 1523. Norway was in a union with Denmark between 1524 and 1814. (Denmark basically owned us) Then after some war Sweeden took over, but let us be more independant, which then ended in 1905 when we became completely independant.

Ultimately whether Norway should join the EU or not is really a math problem more than anything else. EU membership carries a lot of obligations. If those obligations outweigh the positives, then Norway probably shouldn't join. And so far it seems the country's population has deemed that to be the case.

You do realize this is pure nonsense? Norway is PART of Schengen. Its borders are regulated in exactly the SAME way as any EU member that is part of Schengen. Also, you should be aware that when Schengen was introduced it was the EU that told the Schengen members; "You will now be able cut spending on you national customs. We need this money to finance Frontex to be able to prevent immigration for you." And it were the Schengen member states that unanimously told the EU to F.O. as "we want to use this as an austerity measure", which is exactly what they did.

Yeah EVERY SINGLE country is against EU because they believe it will increase immigration. Legal and illegal... I spent 8 years in England and thats the reason the Brits voted out of the EU too. Popular opinions and populist ideologies. Which is the gateway drug into right-wing lunacy. Every country in EU is tired of this refugee immigration. And always having to be the one that has to fix these peoples countries and pay for it. This is not the case in reality. But popular opinon is very often NOT about reality. When a country gets 1000 refugees from, for example Syria or Ukraine, that does NOT mean that these 1000 people get to stay in that country forever. Only until its safe to send them back. Then they get sent back. Simple as that. But thats not what people see. People see refugees coming in, and then they never hear about them being sent back. Its the same problem with right-wing ideologies in America where people openly hate the poor and immigrants. Anyway. The EU is now trying to limit refugees into Europe because it simply cant be the EUs job to fix every country all the time. Even tho the actual problem is not NEARLY as bad as popular opinion will have you believe it is.

But apparently we are the bad guys for doing so

Hope you all can keep it that way , as an American living in the state I do , I am sick of being told what to do by a handful of people in the northeastern part of this country.

@@rewar5870 I hope u guys over there do also well

By staying out of the EU, Norway and Iceland become rule takers rather than rule makers. How? Norway and Iceland participate in the EU single market, engage in various programs such as Erasmus, and contribute to the EU budget. The EU budget and laws governing the single market, programs, and budget are established by the EU Parliament and Council of the EU. EU citizens vote for MEPs to represent them in Parliament and national governments to send Ministers to the Council. However, citizens of Norway and Iceland are not part of the EU, so they lack the right to vote for these representatives. Consequently, they end up as rule takers rather than rule makers.

​@@rewar5870 You are against democracy. Putin is that you?

Russian money is always a welcome sight?

The EURO is the biggest fraud ever. Nobody is in charge of the EURO. The currency is under the government of a Group of Politicians who have no decision-making powers The Euro regulations and agreements are "Recommendations" that none of the countries ever met. The only reason 70% of the Euro countries would be bankrupt if they would grant each other increasing amounts of "loans" against no guarantees or financial back-up other than "smiling politicians shaking hands and declaring each other credit-worthy partners. If Banks were managed like the Euro is - bankers would be in prison.

its an incredibly stupid political system, but it works with such a small and insignificant country

@@TheGamingSyndrom I would strongly disagree. First raising hands is done just in two very small cantons or in local communities and only done for their local issues. It works for them so it is fine and far away from stupid. Raise your hand and in 80% of the cases you don't have to count. It is a simple yes or no answer. 2. Which system is more stupid. A system where you can have a direct influence of what happens hand how you want to live or a 4/ 8 year kingdom like the USA? In my view that is exactly what it is in a "Presidential" "democracy". You choose your king/queen for the next x years. This king does plus minus whatever he/she likes. After his/her period another king/queen has the power and maybe changes everything the former holder of the power did. THAT IS A STUPID SYSTEM.

@@chbonnhoff you believe whatever you want. I'm glad I live in an indirect democracy

What is good in EU?

@@ainars1205 everything

You're confusing the EU with the Eurozone that Greece is a part of, hence the financial implications.

​@@huro1845the EU saved the greek economy from total colapsse billions where given to greece

@@definitlynotbenlente7671 But the EU was also a large part to blame for the collapse to start with. And the measures to "save" the Greek economy was detrimental to their economic growth and stability. Greece just recovered from the financial crisis, that after having to make a lot of difficult decisions in the past decade + and off course the Covid pandemic.

In fairness Denmark did not Rule Norway, the king of Denmark and Norway, ruled Denmark and Norway, until the british and swedes fucked that up and made your flag look DISGUSTING, EW! But still, its not like we are all that different as people, I still vibe with plenty of Norwegians due to our shared language and culture. Also its not like Danish independence really did jack shit, Denmark-Norway just got kicked around. Unless Peter Wessel was involved, in which case everyone else got kicked around.... :D

Norway - if you were broke the EU would not want you. That alone tells you why you are a prime target. Not for your beauty but for your fish and other natural resources. Brussels is greedy for a lot of politicians to be fed. Wouldn't it be nice for Norwegian to know that they are paying Macron, Schultz, a nice lady Ursula von der Leyen - a stooge that got put into her position by Angela Merkel personally - the communist broad who sold out Germany to Putin - her personal friend with whom she studied communist governing in works shops in East Germany under the STASI- Putin lived 5 years in Eastern Germany and she speaks Russian and he German. Yes - the dream team.

@@Wisteria__Lane I'm pretty sure yes, but what do we do with that information?

​@@Wisteria__Lane I agree - it is mostly immigrants to what i see/feel (haven't read any specific statistics). People coming from outside, as they are needed for low paying jobs, but also the opposite is often seen. But just to clarify - I think not many are, as you call it, "poor". Some have to watch the money closely for sure, but In my eyes most not "poor".

Switzerland “peace” is an exclusive result of the country’s policy to allow money laundering

I'm a Swiss and your inane remark that - to you - the EU "feels" like a dictatorship is incredibly stupid and and I hope our European friends don't take it too harshly. The EU is made up entirely of democracies and countries that closely follow the principle of the rule of law. As a Swiss you should know that our own country has a lot of legal and political problems, beginning with the lack of a constitutional court and ending with the fact that over a quarter of the population cannot participate democratically in our political system. Only 40% of Swiss citizens participate in votes and elections, most of which are men over 65. In some towns residents of 10 years or more get denied citizenship because they don't know the local butcher on a first name basis. Your comment is backward, nationalistic and cringeworthy.

@@uschurch Your take is naive, your co-national is right.

*4 official languages.

I would prefer to die before letting everybody in europe to decide the politics

A big factor why it works this well for us swiss is because our country is not that big.. direct democracy is very slow and the more people the longer it takes

@@stuerzi1312 Not so sure that our model cannot be scaled up. Yes direct democracy may be slower but in case of an emergency this can be bypassed. The advantage about the slower direct d. process is that there is more consistency in changes. Check DE or USA. Every 4 to 8 years someone else gets the power and changes at their party will. In d.d. you cannot do such dramatic changes unless the people will allow it. Therefore the politicians are more looking for a consent. The voting in my opinion can be easily scaled up. Every community counts their votes and sends the result to the next higher level or directly to a central one. It will take a bit longer than in CH, maybe we will know the results 2 days later but it will work. The challenge in my opinion is the cultural difference we have in Europe. So what is good and works for Spain will maybe not work in Poland or Island and vis versa. So a federal European constitution would need a few ground rules / laws for all and a hight autonomy for each "state" aka country so they can decide what is best for them.

Why would Dutch people matter? Since when do People matter these days? Get real - you the people have the money - and you the people are idiots to vote for people who go into politics for one and only one reason- to take your money. Your choice - work and pay taxes or become politician and loot.

I am positive, you have already seen it.

Use of Euro reduces freedom of economic action. Euro is subject to policies of European Central Bank, and largely what happens in German and French economies. Poland and Czech have their own Central Banks and can adjust independently monetary policies to deal with exchange rates😮, interest, unemployment, other factors. Both countries have dealt quite well with low unemployment and good economic growth.

As a Czech I would say that a major reason for us is the shift in the public opinion about EU since 2004. The EU we agreed to join back then was different from what it is today and the voices to leave are being heard more and more (even myself, formerly a very strong EU advocate, I must say that I am not sure how I would vote should there ever be a referendum on leaving - unless EU goes through some serious self reflection). It might be beneficial to our industry economically (arguable if the economic benefit is there for anyone but industry, but we have seen that CNB could not do a lot against the inflation anyway so my guess is maybe yes) but with so many people refusing EU politics, a possible Czech exit referendum is definitely not guaranteed to be rejected to be put mildly and if that ever happened, we will be better off with our currency still in place rather than with euro. Also, argument against euro for many is some countries in eurozone being in too bad of a financial shape for us to feel safe entering, as well as almost first hand experience of Slovaks accepting euro and its effect on regular people.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNamgZWAp9Gsd58.html Side-note: I'm unclear what is meant by the Ukraine invasion statement in the video. Both Iceland and Norway are part of NATO, which provides a collective military defense for its members. Financial insecurity as a result of the invasion perhaps?

Then you are a heretic. Unless you can transport your country to another continent or planet, you don't have a choice in the matter. Only a FULLY united European continent, will make Humanity better.

@@Wisteria__Lane Well too bad for you, wether in one, two or a thousand decades or even centuries, you WILL join the collective the easy way or the hard way. Be it the EU or a wider Imperium of Man, your independence will end to benefit Mankind as a whole, you selfish pr1cks. The nerve of not being as one with your fellow Europeans. Buttloads of countries around the globe would do ANYTHING to be on the glorious European continent and as such, be able to join. But it's alright. Your "neutrality" and "independence" will falter in the end. And it will be for the better for your own country. You just don't realize it yet. But all in due time. Enjoy your "freedom" as long as it lasts. Because one day all of Europe will be under one democratic Imperial banner, firmly and TRULY united against the dangers of the East and carving a name for itself and Humanity at large. Europe must be fully united so that the rest of Mankind can follow suit afterwards. Only after the entire planet unites, will Humanity reach magnificent heights. But for that, we need to remove this selfish thinking from people like you. But like I said, all in due time.

but right now its going poo due to the eu connection, the only argument left is russia but the normal voter here is highly educated and wont fall for that obvious obfuscation.

If it was not for the fisheries I wish Norway would join. But we do not want to give away the fish for free, and we do not trust EU regulating our fisheries. But for the protection of democracy and peace NATO and the EU are extremely important for lasting peace and safety. Russia is a clear and present danger to all of Europe, and peace is worth 100 times more than a minor loss of local control of politics .

NORWAY PLEASE NEVER JOIN THIS DEGENERATED EU CLUB

@@la7dfawhy won’t EU just be ally with Russia ? Russia itself is bigger than Europe and there would be no conflicts if they were together

@@Muhayyo666 Are you insane? Russia has chosen its path, and they will have to prove a radical and real change unless they want to become another DPRK.

imagine being swiss

That word - refuse - is never a problem to those who use the word UNITED as a cover-up for being on the take. Letting others work for them and accusing others of not doing what they are supposed to do. Never forget - the EU was supposed to be an Economic Union - but it did not take long until Angela Merkel and the likes turned it into a Control Center for the food supply of Western Europe. The one who controls such an essential element in human life is the ultimate ruler.

Good opinion, the EU is a vice, that's why UK left the European community. Too much open border policies.

Because Ireland has become too much of an embarrassment to the EU lately?

We could solve it by adding Vorarlberg and Baden-Würtemberg to Switzerland... The Austrians wouldn't realise it because the Arlberg is in the way and the Germans could finally focus on building up the economy in the former East-Germany... jk

@@WaechterDerNacht and while we are at it, why don’t we also add Valtelina, Haute-Savoie and Franche-Comté. I am sure that the French and the Italians are also quite busy with their own problems and wouldn’t really object 😃.

The interesting thing that never gets talked about and that most people don't realize is that in the current situation, it is a quite a good thing for us swiss people that we have so many immigrants comming to switzerland. While this creates some problems right now, in the future and long run, it will help to ease some quite catastroiphic problems that can't really be solved. Meanwhile, short term problems are solvable. One thing as an example is population. We are only able to almost sustain our population thanks to the current immigration. If we would be able to completely stop it, our birth rates will drop dead like South Koreas or Chinas, booth countries which will loose about 50 to 60% of their population until the end of the century. Not loosing population obviously has a huge economic benefit and considering that we failed to test new revisions of our retirement provision and a unconditional basic income so far, booth things which are basically required in some way for a stable and sustainable future, the current immegration "crysis" will buy us some time in the long run.

@ In my opinion you have it exactly the wrong way around. Immigration to help out with demographics is the short term solution. Whereas the problems caused by it, especially in a country as small as switzerland, are anything but short term. Immigration at the moment is the easy, lazy and ultimately unsustainable "solution" that's going to come at a huge cost in the medium to long term. A cost payed in an overall reduction in the quality of life. (overpopulation, destruction of the environment, increasing food dependence, loss of social cohesion, increasing scarcity of limitied resources such as water and land, increasing crime, etc.)

​@@Jansi05 That is not correct. Overpopulation is not a problem, underpopulation is. Destruction of the environment is a problem uncoupled from imigration. Loss of social cohesion is neither an effect of that, especially considering this is more or less an "old people" problem. Ressources, food and water are not problkems because opf immegration. Neiteher are most a problem right now. Limited land is simply a factor of planning. You are focussing on short term problems. None of your points are influenced in the long run by immegration in a negativge way.