Swivel Technique Explanation (Double Bass Drum Tutorial)

Swivel Technique Explanation (Double Bass Drum Tutorial) - James Payne

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Many times we hear that the Swivel technique hurts your knees or that's just a natural motion, but, what is the Swivel technique exactly? Finally we will learn what the Swivel technique is, and how to play it without hurting yourself!
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@Bock3039 5 жыл бұрын

"time and space are connected" Oh shit, didn't think I was going to get a lecture on relativity to learn advanced drum techniques.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Bock3039 yeah, you see? Someone went over the Paradiddle!

@gorxor 6 жыл бұрын

You are a very sympathetic person and a really good teacher. The way you lay down the difference between the techniques is flawless

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words

@jaysheeler2179 6 жыл бұрын

This is the best video explaining the swivel technique that I have found on KZfaq. Very in-depth and easy to understand. Thank you very much

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

@attempt58 2 жыл бұрын

I like how he explains with the reasons and explanation, going into the depths and how it actually works

@N3V2-Nevto 5 жыл бұрын

you're a freaking demon if your feet does a 360 motion swivel HAHAHA Good tutorial on this one James :D

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Ahahah!! Glad you liked it man!!

@user-by1fk5op9o 6 жыл бұрын

Now that's some real stuff! Thanks a lot, James!

@JiganieVrajmasul 4 жыл бұрын

Your way of explaining things is excellent: not only telling how it should be done, but also why! Thank you!

@ConxurOz27 5 жыл бұрын

Now can you make a tutorial about coordination between the 2 legs. How alternate the motions between in or out with the two legs? Please! I do really appreciate your videos.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Sure, wIll do later this month man!

@jakehaslam3138 2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesPayneDrums did you do this btw couldn't find it

@fyodordochievsky4376 2 жыл бұрын

I think it comes down to lots of practice man. Gotta get those neural pathways laid down by grinding hours and hours of practice. Otherwise everyone could do it.

@SeekTheLordJesusChrist7 2 жыл бұрын

@@jakehaslam3138 he didn’t….he let us all down..

@sairam7262 2 жыл бұрын

@@jakehaslam3138 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kKd9a8l5r57FXac.html He did

@Glurbschnurb 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all your great videos. Never thought I would improve my double pedaling so fast. Just the tip of being in sync with the pedal helped me a ton.

@jmb-bj9gs 3 жыл бұрын

Utterly amazing! Alot of physics and science in this that was never brought up or discovered when I started playing (35 yrs ago ). I wanna learn and do this !!

@notsomoderndrummer 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much James! The information in your videos is always so well presented. You are a great teacher

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

I'm very glad you like them!

@tonylindholm1 2 жыл бұрын

Very well explained. I really liked the idea of detaching the spring to bring more focus to applying the correct technique.

@craigt1010 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video! The tip about holding your leg while switching between techniques helped me incredibly. I’ve practiced this technique before, but this is the first time it’s actually made sense.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

So glad to hear that man!

@JJustJ-yb9wh 3 жыл бұрын

This video actually blew my mind. Thank you so much for such a great lesson 👌

@sreenivasgani7563 3 жыл бұрын

Philosophy of drumming bro.... fantastic... it's really useful to me...I have been struggle around 220 BPM for last 2 years....I use more leg motion and heel up. Thank you...you are perfect bro🙏

@ErikSchultekdrums 4 жыл бұрын

The thought of releasing vs. pressing was a big barrier for me to break but I’m progressing very well since having worked with james

@stefanfeist9893 5 жыл бұрын

Very helpful, thank you!

@almadaestudios 5 жыл бұрын

Great lesson james!

@midinerd Жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this (and ALL of your technique vids, every single ****ing one of them are basically perfect). Been swivelling for maybe 2 or 3 weeks now. love it. thanks so much !!

@camaratic2914 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic way to learn the ankle swivel! Helped me a lot!

@nehu92 2 жыл бұрын

This will help me so much, thank you!!

@rockandrollfish 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! You’re an excellent instructor.

@gabrielapariciosoruco9341 4 жыл бұрын

Great video ! My left knee is thanking you a lot. For saw another tutorial first about the swivel technique and practice it for 20 days, I already have a little of pain in my knee, and obviously I have been doing the technique very wrong, now I know how to do it properly, thank you !

@JamesPayneDrums 4 жыл бұрын

I'm very happy to hear that my video is of help man

@dmitrykotikov6827 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome explanation!

@joao_apolinario 3 жыл бұрын

thank you man. Thank you so much!

@blaisedrums 5 жыл бұрын

Best explanation I’ve ever heard. Thanks so much

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome Blaise! I'm glad you liked the video!

@sniffingdogartofficial7257 5 жыл бұрын

Frankly this guy should have like four times this many views. Great explanations and really nice drummer of course.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Thanx man! I appreciate! I believe that if the content is good, numbers will arrive, but for now I'm focused on the good content :)

@cosfat 11 ай бұрын

Not a word of your explanations is meaningless or useless. Thanks for a great explanation, my friend.

@Alex-zb8qz 5 жыл бұрын

Playing without the spring. Marvelous!! Will try this tomorrow. Thanks James.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was game changing to me! Just make sure you practice on a surface that has a good rebound!

@samuelbassani1845 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Really really helpful, man

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome man! Glad it helped!

@squirrelynations3832 5 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to try this out!

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah!

@maiconfavacho2046 4 жыл бұрын

Very Nice!

@DEATHBYFIRE13 Жыл бұрын

Man I couldn't get the swivel down for the longest time, but this video helped it 'click' in my brain. Great stuff

@faustoflima1 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Thank u for the video :)

@michelin97126 9 ай бұрын

Never thought of removing the spring, that's a great idea thanks, will try it

@erianna4773 8 ай бұрын

Dear James a great thank you from my heart I ve learned a lot from you I have only a question is better the single or the double chain ⛓ pedal and which are the differences. Thank you in advance!🙏🏼 Best Regards Erianna 🤘💜🤘

@SatriaSeptaWijaya 2 жыл бұрын

thanks james,,

@t_rain2578 2 жыл бұрын

Very well explained man, interesting video. And ur English is better then mine, haha CA, US

@CyrilMayer 2 жыл бұрын

Hey! Excellent video I love it! Just one thing, I broke a DW9000 pedal with this technique, probably because I put too much pressure on it? I just got a new one but now I'm quite scared to practice this motion again. Do you have any tips or experience on that matter? Thanks a lot for this great content!

@streve-4317 4 жыл бұрын

Hey James, my right foot swivel taps are heavy and slower than my left foot, when doing alternate singles. Any help?

@vituspirchner 2 жыл бұрын

Great 👍

@maschinemademan9053 4 жыл бұрын

Yes but james do we use the natural swing of the pedal to our advantage?

@danilosilvadrm 3 жыл бұрын

Great tips man! What's the minimum bpm to work on swivel?

@PeterVenkman_666 3 жыл бұрын

I really liked your video. And i'm a guitar player i've never even sat behind a drumkit

@jonashellborg8320 3 жыл бұрын

I just finished reading “Anatomy of drumming” by John Lamb. He advocates that its important to move the whole leg, and the hip, rather allowing them to move, to avoid tensing up by deliberately trying to hold the knee and hip still. James is saying a similar thing here, but the key is to stay relaxed when limiting the motion of the knee.

@krdrums00 7 ай бұрын

Hey! Any advice on how to play with both feet together? I can swivel with each foot individually but when I try putting them together it ends up sounding like double stops…

@samuraicat9559 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@leereylem7420 5 жыл бұрын

Great lesson. I dont expect your a good drummer. Just have a drum cover to have a lot of subscriber my friend. Thank you

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the lesson!

@benoitl903 5 жыл бұрын

Hi James, I have a question. I asked myself if the swivel technique mastering needs to mastering some other foot technique, especially heel down ans heel up or if it is an independant technique ? Thanks a lot for your videos and work !!!

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Developing the heel up motion will surely help to get a better understanding of how to develop the Swivle technique! The 2 techniques have very different motion direction and the energy is generated from different part of the foot, but the heel up is great to master the ankle isolation and will help in developing the swivel motion in an easier way.

@sinergy222 4 жыл бұрын

I believe that I'm the 10k subber 🥁👌🏿🤘🏿🎶 good luck with the channel!

@JamesPayneDrums 4 жыл бұрын

That's great man! Thank you!

@KamalBensra 6 жыл бұрын

Dear James, thank you so much for the video. I have a question that I hope you can help me with. For samba, using the swivel technique, should I do left-right or right-left on the bass? Which side should I start first? I’m stuck here. Looking forward to your reply :)

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

You're very welcome Kamal! Do what is more comfortable for you, try both playing first stroke on the right side and second on the left and the other way round and see what comes more natural to you, that's the way to go. There's no better or worst way in this case :)

@KamalBensra 6 жыл бұрын

James Payne alright thank you for the advice! Makes sense. Thanks once again.

@littlebear2477 4 жыл бұрын

So because there is more room for the feet to move the strokes will be more powerful!!?! Beautiful

@serpentscoil9868 2 жыл бұрын

Am I able to swivel on pedals that aren't long boards

@user-xs4cg4wg1g 2 жыл бұрын

I think the vertical motion is necessarily to hit the pedal. Using lateral motion to hit the pedal is like against natural law. What is the mechanism behind swivel to hit the pedal？

@HugoStiglitz88 4 жыл бұрын

I started doing it naturally. I can't be the only one but one day I noticed I was doing it.

@akiya9216 5 жыл бұрын

i only have a single pedal, and just want to be able to blast beat kinda slow and play fast jazz. Is this a technique for a single pedal, and is this technique the fastest way to play bass?

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Hey man, yeah, you can apply this technique to only one foot! And it is the fastest technique to play single strokes on the bass drum :)

@jeremyhassell7911 Жыл бұрын

What kind of practice pads are those anyone?

@rickhxc 5 жыл бұрын

m trying to learn this technique now, im starting to see what ive been doing wrong, i use to use my whole leg and "swinging" it to the sides ,when the correct way is using your leg first and then your ankle ? am i right? by the way nice videos man , chers from mexico

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Hey man, glad you like the videos! So, the first stroke, should be a leg motion stroke, which ctivates the pedal and works against the spring tension with the weight of the leg, after the first stroke you should control the swinging of the pedal with the lateral Swivel motion by just using the ankle motion and isolating the rest of the leg from it, so make sure that you can actually do the swivel motion just with your ankle first and then apply it to the pedal. I hope this explanation helps

@rickhxc 5 жыл бұрын

@@JamesPayneDrums thanks !

@brandonkain9231 5 жыл бұрын

@@rickhxc ...ive been doing the same thing u have...using the whole leg...and its never felt like it was the right way....now we see...good luck on your journey my drummer brother✌

@rickhxc 5 жыл бұрын

@@brandonkain9231 good luck bro

@matiastau8495 5 жыл бұрын

One thing it is not clear to me about this technique is that when you go with 16th notes with both pedals you do it like RLRL or RRLL. same with floating technique. Which one is it?

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

The swivel is played RLRL, it's a single strokes technique.

@JoseMorales-jn5qw 5 жыл бұрын

This might be a stupid question but, when you start working both legs together. What is the order of the motion of each foot? So if I start with my right leg, swiveling to the right, is my next move left leg swiveling to the right or to the left? or is my next move swiveling to the left with my right leg like a double and then swiveling my left foot right and then left? hope that makes sense.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Not a stupid question at all! I just made a video about this question that I will release in the next weeks. But basically, there is no better way of doing it, what comes easier to you, just do it that way. To me, it felt more natural to do IN-IN-OUT-OUT (meaning the heel motion) but some of my students do the opposite and other do in-out-in-out. I wouldn't force myself to do it in a way that is not natural to me because it's just extra work and it doesn't change the result :)

@JoseMorales-jn5qw 5 жыл бұрын

Yeh i know what you mean, the other night i was trying to figure it out and the way it felt better for me was out-out in -in.. haha wich is the total opposite from what you just said.granted i only worked on it for like 10 min cause i had rehearsal but i guess i need to give it time. i have my hi hat pedal set up right next to my left pedal touching side to side . and i noticed i keep hitting the hi hat pedal, maybe with time ill control that. i also notice my right foot keeps moving back as i do it. i guess i just need to keep working on it. looking forward to your next video.ty

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, keep working on it and maybe move a little bit the hi-hat pedal in case you keep hitting it with your foot, I did the same because the Swivel motion does get outside of the pedal board a bit. Usually when the foot goes backwards is either because you're sitting too high and it's a balance problem or you are contracting the thigh

@JoseMorales-jn5qw 5 жыл бұрын

interesting, balance its fine but...I do sit kind of higher than most people do, ill keep an eye on the thighs as well.. thanks.

@Matheuspelizer 5 жыл бұрын

Still don't get it James.... i get the fact that the examples are Just for us to get used to the swivel motion, but how do i know that I'm doing it correctly?? you've Said a lot of Great information, but I still don't get it the right way to do the swivel, I Just need to play with the ankle motion from right to left without using the leg, no up or down motions?? Please answer this, thank u for the video brother !

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Hey man, yes, you don't have to think about the vertical motion, just the lateral one with your heel (like turning off a cigarette with your toes). To know if you're doing the right thing grab your thigh and check if you're ankle is able to do the motion without involving the leg, if you can then go on the pedal and do the same and see if you're able to synchronize the ankle motion to the pedal motion.

@Matheuspelizer 5 жыл бұрын

James Payne thank you man!

@toniduerr6602 3 жыл бұрын

Шикарно

@mike_s_media 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone else start thinking about the space time continuum?? GREAT SCOTT

@MattRidzonPE Жыл бұрын

At 12:10 you start switching from ordinary "heel up" to "swivel." It's unclear to me what the difference is. "Swivel" looks like the "heel up" except you swing your foot side-to-side. So I cannot tell what advantage you get from the swivel. It would seem like an ordinary "heel up" technique is just as good.

@sheilafootit450 5 жыл бұрын

Dumb question of the day: If you don't press with your toes, what is it that actually causes the beater to advance to the head? Though it may seem remedial, I truly don't know the answer, so please help me out.

@tommybanks5307 5 жыл бұрын

Generally the ball of your foot

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

It's not a dumb question, is a good one! The weight of the leg (or at least partially, since we'll be holding it up to free the ankle) and of the foot on the pedal will create enough pressure that, once the pedal is swinging, it will be enough to execute the Swivel.

@leemallamaman2983 5 жыл бұрын

How do you get your feet not sliding

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

You mean up and down from the pedal? I don't involve the leg motion, so the leg is still and doesn't move my foot. Also I don't press on the pedal.

@PapaRikkiBalls 3 жыл бұрын

I'm watching this so i can teach the drummer how to use this technique.

@user-jl1uj8zz6k 5 жыл бұрын

When I use Swivel Techniques, My foot always escape from pedal. How can I handle this problem??

@RedWolfDrift2000 5 жыл бұрын

Quinn Kim maybe grip tape on the pedals..?

@user-jl1uj8zz6k 5 жыл бұрын

@@RedWolfDrift2000 is it helpful?

@RedWolfDrift2000 5 жыл бұрын

Quinn Kim yes. I play with shoes on. It’s the stuff they put on skate boards to help you not slip off the board

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Usually that happens when you involve the leg too much in the motion, try to hold your leg with your hands and see if you are actually doing the Swivel with an ankle motion, if you have hard times doing that I suggest to work on it and then you won't have that problem anymore

@user-jl1uj8zz6k 5 жыл бұрын

@@JamesPayneDrums yeah....... preserve, patience, practice 3P must required. but how can i distinguish normal muscle action/abnormal muscle dancing? I want to reference optimal

@NoctumusTV 4 жыл бұрын

Ok, students! Now that you've all finished _Fundamental Quantum Mechanics_ and _Theory of Relativity_ it's time to move on to a much more advanced topic: _Double Bass Drumming Techniques!_

@JamesPayneDrums 4 жыл бұрын

I hope your drumming is not as lame as your jokes

@NoctumusTV 4 жыл бұрын

@@JamesPayneDrums My drumming is _much_ worse than my jokes!

@JamesPayneDrums 4 жыл бұрын

Noctumus ahahah! You owned this one tho

@dgonzala 4 жыл бұрын

I’m choking the rebound on my right foot, and it’s destroying my speed. I’ve been trying to work on this with just my right foot but it’s like I can’t get over 180 single foot. But when I play double bass I can get up to around 250 bpm+. I can’t balance correctly with just my right foot. It’s so annoying.

@ANDYWOUNDSABRXS 3 жыл бұрын

watching this vid, I realised my right ankle doesnt bend as much as my left. fuck me I knew there was something weird going on.

@dgonzala 4 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure I’m applying too much pressure with my right foot.

@jesseb7022 4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Gonzalez could it be your spring tension?

@dgonzala 4 жыл бұрын

Jesse B I started to raise my right leg a couple weeks ago which is helping now. So I was applying too much pressure with my right foot choking the strokes. It’s slowly starting to feel better. By the way I play with maximum spring tension on axis a21 Sabre’s .

@insertmetalusernamehere 3 жыл бұрын

Well... my feet and ankles are too stupid. Beater is just up against the drum hardly doing anything.

@MrKrabs-mb4eg 3 жыл бұрын

increase the spring tension, that should help

@ChiefSupreme6803 Жыл бұрын

I think the swivel technique is something that just happens naturally. I really don't think it's something that anybody ever learns on purpose.

@drew_on_drums 5 жыл бұрын

This is the most confusing intro ever

@classe-tmb 4 жыл бұрын

it actually isn't

@sentientdogma1206 3 жыл бұрын

A normal person takes something simple and explains it in a complicated way. A brilliant person takes something complicated and explains it in a simple way. This guy is making a very simple concept and making it needlessly complicated and superfluous. Not good.

@iangarza990 3 жыл бұрын

yep

@esl4058 3 жыл бұрын

He’s breaking down the science behind it. Makes perfect sense to me.

@realeyesrealizereallies1176 2 жыл бұрын

@@sentientdogma1206 it's like Dutch footballer Johan Cruyff once said, football is a very simple game but it's very difficult to play simple.

@rodrigohernansaavedramenes9587 5 жыл бұрын

my left leg sucks :(

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Film yourself and see what the left leg does different compared to the right leg and then fix the differences :)

@rodrigohernansaavedramenes9587 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks friend!!! I promise i will not giving up. Greetings from Chile 🤙🏼

@magrildz 5 жыл бұрын

Rodrigo Hernán Saavedra Meneses my left leg sucks as well. Been practising but the muscle and groin pain sometimes hinders my progress. I really want to know what I'm doing wrong...

@dornelli1 4 жыл бұрын

the instruction starts at 9:00

@dornelli1 4 жыл бұрын

a very lenghty opening explanation. Best to jump right to the camera at your feet, sir, otherwise people are going to lose interest early on, otherwise, good vd..

@thedangler1371 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t get any of these techniques. Light hitting and blast beats with triggering doesn’t look cool. Drummers in rock and metal that got me into drumming isn’t fancy light hitting relying on triggers to impress other musicians only. It’s power hitters that look bad ass playing while bringing the power! I.e. Tommy Lee, Vinnie Paul, Morgan Rose, and Paul Bostaph

@drum4fun969 4 жыл бұрын

Bro you're sitting so high. Oh well...

@Doatello1991 4 жыл бұрын

@Drum 4Fun I think Gene Hoglan sits high too.

@mafscoolas8754 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think there's any rules about this stufff

@yudhasyahrul2544 4 жыл бұрын

@@mafscoolas8754 u right. alan cassidy sitting under 90 degrees and its almost impossible for kick the pedal fast and consistently. the rules just where u get comfy is

@Deadlegs78 5 жыл бұрын

Ma una spiegazione in italiano viene male vero?? Mah..

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Dovrei farla in ogni lingua del mondo? O forse nel 2018 è ora di imparare la lingua usata per comunicare nel mondo?

@doublemarvellous5525 4 жыл бұрын

What the hell are you talking about

@JamesPayneDrums 4 жыл бұрын

I'm talking about the things I've noticed that worked for me in developing the Swivel and I'm sharing them here so that it might help others

@doublemarvellous5525 4 жыл бұрын

@@JamesPayneDrums apologies was being a dick

@Lasers459 3 жыл бұрын

@@doublemarvellous5525 yeah man, Does James deserve to be talked to that way, when he tries to teach and answer questions genuinely? ... at least you said sorry.

@samm1533 5 жыл бұрын

In the beginning 5 min of the video he doesn't know shit about what he's talking about... Being his own scientist... But still an in depth video. Gave a like

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Ahah, that's so weird because I thought I did! I've been teaching it for a decade to hundreds of students and made a DVD about it too, but I guess YOU are right and know better than me man!

@WishowMetal 5 жыл бұрын

Too much talk...

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

If you're looking for the 3 minutes video with the 1 exercise that will fix all of your issues instantly, you're in the wrong place. This channel is for people who are really dedicated to learning and get in depth in the topics and don't mind spending 15 minutes of their lives whatching and listening to an explanation. Sorry.

@WishowMetal 5 жыл бұрын

@@JamesPayneDrums You're right... Wrong channel for me.