Sword and Shield sparring Nick vs Mike

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Academy of Historical Fencing

8 жыл бұрын

Sparring using shields as were commonly used by the Vikings and Saxons and many other nations in Europe and beyond. There is not a single known surviving treatise detailing how these punch grip shields were used. However we are sparring with them with the knowledge of renaissance shield and buckler combat.
Therefore this isn't claiming to be a certain style, as we will likely never know what sword and shield styles looked like from the era of these weapons. But we can experiment and have a bit of fun with applying knowledge of later styles. Nick is using the larger red and cream shield. Mike, the smaller yellow and navy/grey one.

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@cghjghnjvjvjvjv
@cghjghnjvjvjvjv 7 жыл бұрын
They should invest in the guard break skill tree.
@andrewc3336
@andrewc3336 7 жыл бұрын
Or use an axe for bonus damage to shields durability, that can be useful as it forces the opponent to not use the shield as much or risk it breaking.
@MaxArtemyev
@MaxArtemyev 7 жыл бұрын
cghjghnjvjvjvjv simple shortcut: use force, Luke!
@Chroma710
@Chroma710 6 жыл бұрын
Javelins are also good against shields
@halo48189
@halo48189 6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Corbett nah use raipers the heavy attack damages through shields
@Ezio9791
@Ezio9791 6 жыл бұрын
I would just equip a Shotel and do R2's as that attack ignores shields.
@TheEvilmonkey25
@TheEvilmonkey25 3 жыл бұрын
I can see why historians say most battles were 15 minutes of fighting followed by often hour-long lulls
@TESkyrimizer
@TESkyrimizer Жыл бұрын
"time out guys, my arm's getting sore" "yeah me too, see u after lunch"
@UnclePutte
@UnclePutte 7 жыл бұрын
A quiet afternoon at the gym, ca. 1066.
@rajeshvengadesan703
@rajeshvengadesan703 5 жыл бұрын
50th like
@jrtomlin1805
@jrtomlin1805 5 жыл бұрын
More like ballet dancing. Real fighters didn't play around like that.
@jacobt1027
@jacobt1027 5 жыл бұрын
Jr Tomlin It's sparring
@jrtomlin1805
@jrtomlin1805 4 жыл бұрын
@@jacobt1027 Yes, it is. My response was to the implication that it looks anything like fighting done in 1066.
@sojjjer
@sojjjer 4 жыл бұрын
Jr Tomlin you melt if this was set at a gym as the comment said, it would still be sparring
@TheGuzeinbuick
@TheGuzeinbuick 4 жыл бұрын
It may not be as exciting as other weapons/styles, but you gotta admit the sword-shield combination is top tier. It can subdue every other weapon and weapon combination.
@lawrencemorris2261
@lawrencemorris2261 2 жыл бұрын
Shield and pistol, lol
@TheBigMannyShow
@TheBigMannyShow 2 жыл бұрын
@@lawrencemorris2261 Why do you have to be THAT guy
@hellomate639
@hellomate639 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like how they're fighting. They're way overexposing their hand and wrist when they have a shield to protect the hand.
@crustyjuggler382
@crustyjuggler382 2 жыл бұрын
hmm, id argue that from the ancient Greeks up until the late medieval period, the humble shield and spear combination would consistently and easily best any variation of a sword and shield combination from the same time period. That argument would be based on a series of examples from history. most one-handed swords were actually carried as secondary weapons with a two-handed weapon or shield and spear or similar weapon, or a bludgeoning weapon such as a mace or hammer as their primary.
@TheBigMannyShow
@TheBigMannyShow 2 жыл бұрын
@@crustyjuggler382 100% agree with everything you said, id say that respectfully, the original comment doesnt have enough experience or knowledge
@mullenio4200
@mullenio4200 6 жыл бұрын
It's really annoying when people say this or that is wrong. The only way we can know for sure how to use these weapon combinations is try them out. Trial and error. This fight is pretty much as I imagined. Lots of feinting, shield bashing and good movement. Both fighters did well and of course, the finish, when it came was quick and subtle. I'd love to have a bash.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 6 жыл бұрын
To say what is right and wrong for something like Viking combat is utterly ignorant. We have no idea. All we can do it use much later sources, or make it up. There is also some assumption that a particular weapon or combo was always used a certain way. That is a very modern and sportive perspective on things. Historically there were a great variety in styles and personal usage, even within one weapon type. What we presented here is one plausible way the fight could have gone. It is based on Renaissance sword and shield work, which is documented and we do practice. When people look at a style that is different than they recognise and call it 'wrong', it is almost always through ignorance.
@joditiarsutrisno5556
@joditiarsutrisno5556 4 жыл бұрын
They who said this is wrong might be going with game or movie reference
@gerald-jeanboudreault7986
@gerald-jeanboudreault7986 4 жыл бұрын
Jodi Sutrisno Dude they watched Vikings. They’re experts now...Makes me sick
@joditiarsutrisno5556
@joditiarsutrisno5556 4 жыл бұрын
@@gerald-jeanboudreault7986 did you think if they ate some 'berserker mushroom' they would fight like crazy ?
@xxprodudex1278
@xxprodudex1278 4 жыл бұрын
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing you very good👍👍👍
@GOMD77
@GOMD77 7 жыл бұрын
Idk why they aren't guard breaking or headbutting. Maybe even push them off a ledge. They need some lessons from Warlord
@showtimeva167
@showtimeva167 5 жыл бұрын
Pull a Black Prior and just keep on flippin eachother
@Abdulmanan_ds
@Abdulmanan_ds 5 жыл бұрын
Andy J. Indeed they do
@guilty_mulburry5903
@guilty_mulburry5903 5 жыл бұрын
Only gankerfags ledge
@justsiss
@justsiss 4 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@owenmoore9749
@owenmoore9749 4 жыл бұрын
@@guilty_mulburry5903 only babys cry foul
@ttlpwn34
@ttlpwn34 7 жыл бұрын
lol Don't these guys know you can just keep hitting your opponents shield until he runs out of stamina, and then go in for the riposte? Oh, but make sure you got hornet ring on though, for that extra crit damage. ;)
@kimjiro4591
@kimjiro4591 7 жыл бұрын
well, this is just a demonstrative sparring tho. But yes, the most effective way to deal with shield/armored opponent is strike them out of balance.
@xzNightCrawlerzx
@xzNightCrawlerzx 7 жыл бұрын
ttlpwn34 git gud
@ItalianAvalanche
@ItalianAvalanche 7 жыл бұрын
I think that would just be likely to damage your weapon.
@kimjiro4591
@kimjiro4591 7 жыл бұрын
Gregory Foresi you wanna damage your weapon or you wanna be dead? Also if you think any kind of blade can directly damage a person through full plate armor then ... smh
@ItalianAvalanche
@ItalianAvalanche 7 жыл бұрын
I don't think that and I'm not sure why you'd get that impression after seeing me write that attacking armor or shield will likely result in a damaged weapon. A better solution is to close the distance and grapple your opponent and exploit gaps in the armor.
@Dancorg
@Dancorg 8 жыл бұрын
2:17 I had to replay that several times, nice work!
@richardtinsel3365
@richardtinsel3365 8 жыл бұрын
how come no one ever fights with two shields?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 8 жыл бұрын
Hard to carry/wear to start with. Also hard to really do damage with. You'll have to close and brawl, but if your opponent has a single shield they will be able to smother your attacks, resulting in you getting cut or thrust in the openings. A knife and a shield would be better than two shields.
@zachariaravenheart
@zachariaravenheart 7 жыл бұрын
I've actually thought really hard about this topic before. Such a thing could work, however, you would need smaller shields like the blue one the guy in the video had. Also, to make it more effective, it would be good to give the shields a bladed edge, or even spikes. Then add a proficiency in hand to hand combat and translate those skills into shield fighting. I really want to perfect this, but I don't have anything to practice with ;-; I did practice this before with shields friends of mine have, but only one at a time.
@richardtinsel3365
@richardtinsel3365 7 жыл бұрын
okay so shield knight would be terrible at combat
@Aga1nAndAga1n
@Aga1nAndAga1n 7 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that the lack of range would be a huge problem. The sword user could swipe away at the double shield user's legs without fear of reprisal, like the blue shield guy does at the beginning but actually being able to get close enough to hit.
@zachariaravenheart
@zachariaravenheart 7 жыл бұрын
AgainAndAgain Good point man. Some things the dual shield could probably do is a simultaneous low block and high strike since sweeping to the legs leaves the head open and tilted forward. Another tactic could be to block low with one or both shields, then explode up to knock the attacker off balance and open his/her guard. Again, I wish I could test these to see if it can work. Won't know until I try :)
@GlizzyMan445
@GlizzyMan445 7 жыл бұрын
Top 10 Dark Souls boss battles
@benrechakiewicz3594
@benrechakiewicz3594 7 жыл бұрын
Makes you appreciate how they used to fight in the medieval times.
@EODReddFox
@EODReddFox 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda crazy that I’ve watched so much of this channel that I can now recognize Nick by just his posture and size...
@brandonfarfan1978
@brandonfarfan1978 4 жыл бұрын
This sparring duel with those fancy round shields is amazing. Also, I like the designs of those shields.
@ClydePlays
@ClydePlays 3 жыл бұрын
You guys should score this and put the score on the screen throughout the session. I'd watch tons of that.
@dunedainmom
@dunedainmom Жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@SprayedToTheBone2
@SprayedToTheBone2 8 жыл бұрын
The shield probably was as much a weapon as the sword is.
@Hashishtani
@Hashishtani 8 жыл бұрын
I think it was more weapon than a sword even... Ancient Greeks considered the shield being main honor, loosing sword was ok, loosing shield was disgrace... I wish they would practice the spartan Hoplon technics, its heavy shield on the strap but the way it's fixed on the hand allow to ram and strike with it very strongly.
@brettbudgell2271
@brettbudgell2271 8 жыл бұрын
+Hashishtani losing* sorry , I had too
@samfong4658
@samfong4658 8 жыл бұрын
*Sorry, I had to. ;)
@tylerdurden376
@tylerdurden376 8 жыл бұрын
+Hashishtani no, a hit with a viking shield is always harder.
@MrPanos2000
@MrPanos2000 8 жыл бұрын
+Joel Bernd I'd rather be hit by a piece of wooden planks rather than a massive hoplon of wood,hides and bronze. Most deaths untill the third century BC were caused by shields xD
@TimmyTurner421
@TimmyTurner421 8 жыл бұрын
Yes! More shield + sword or shield + spear sparring please. Very entertaining to watch!
@hircustres9276
@hircustres9276 7 жыл бұрын
the guy holding the camera is a genius.
@ProffesorGreen0192
@ProffesorGreen0192 6 жыл бұрын
I wish there was an ancient nord in the comments to tell us how it's really done lol
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 6 жыл бұрын
Likely in a great many different ways. Even in periods of mass standardisation in the Renaissance, a great many different approaches existed.
@deadpansnarker3749
@deadpansnarker3749 4 жыл бұрын
Bashing heads in with the shield would be a great start
@WobblePizza
@WobblePizza 4 жыл бұрын
Its possible they didn't really know. It's not like they could look shit up on the interent. I bet a lot of them picked up grandpas weapons and went off to war not knowing a single thing about how to use them correctly. I mean how hard is it really to poke holes in people and drain their fluids.
@rufuscord7160
@rufuscord7160 3 жыл бұрын
I'd much rather have them teach us how to shout
@meyearsago-lc8bq
@meyearsago-lc8bq 3 жыл бұрын
@@WobblePizza, pretty hard poking holes while staying in one piece not getting an injury that will basically make you useless for this battle and next ones. Especially when you're not dueling, but fighting a group of people, sometimes greater in numbers than yours. And the warrior class knew it and tried to teach knightly offspring how to not get killed on the battlefield before sending their children here.
@TESkyrimizer
@TESkyrimizer Жыл бұрын
If Hollywood had like 100 extras fighting like this in the background it would be pretty cool to watch! I mean most fights are meticulously choreographed (like in GoT) or just a lot of non-serious shoving and waving their weapon in the air (like in Vikings) but this is a great middle ground: neither choreographed nor completely careless. Obviously battle scenes in films aren't about depicting realistic-seeming combat but more about achieving narrative beats but it does give people some cool stuff to admire.
@ezequielprimera6812
@ezequielprimera6812 3 жыл бұрын
-Knight war battle recreation = Not enough technique -Japanese Kendo = Not enough action -This sparring match = just enough action and technique. It was actually pretty good! You can see they know how to hit and avoid hits, and actually get hit sometimes but keep fighting, so you can imagine the wounds haha
@iwillremoveyourribcage
@iwillremoveyourribcage 11 ай бұрын
i assure you kendo has lots of action, its just not “battle-accurate”, it’s a sport derived from a martial art, you “score points” instead of “going for the kill” in kendo
@Darfail
@Darfail 7 жыл бұрын
this looks REALLY cool
@kevinmailaeied5519
@kevinmailaeied5519 8 жыл бұрын
damn i like the sound of sword contact shield, if im in there i probaly keep banging the shield for fun hahah
@CallofWar5
@CallofWar5 8 жыл бұрын
very interesting. I hope you guys keep up the exploration of weapon types. I love to see them
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 8 жыл бұрын
+blackraver5 We always do :-)
@Theendman42
@Theendman42 8 жыл бұрын
+Academy of Historical Fencing Why don't they have the same shield? is it to do with the fact that nobody would get hit due to them being the same? I don't know why?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 8 жыл бұрын
+theendman That is a bit like asking how long is a piece of string. Sometimes we used matched weapons and combinations, and sometimes we don't. Shields of this type varied massively from down to about the size of a buckler to the absolutely massive so that they cover most of the body. In this instance, they happened to be the shields that the two owners had and brought to training.
@Theendman42
@Theendman42 8 жыл бұрын
Academy of Historical Fencing Okay it is all on what they have bought. I just wanted to know.
@DarkAgesWarrior
@DarkAgesWarrior 8 жыл бұрын
+blackraver5 think you might like our channel as we are looking to do similar things and would appreciate any feedback.
@blacksheepinthebigshitty9544
@blacksheepinthebigshitty9544 8 жыл бұрын
I got so distracted that I thought they were fighting for half an hour or so. Man, can't believe this was only 5 minutes...
@jcindass89
@jcindass89 7 жыл бұрын
looks like warlord needs a buff.
@LifeLikeSage
@LifeLikeSage 8 жыл бұрын
Frontkick like boss! YESSS
@user-sh4mw6so7i
@user-sh4mw6so7i 8 жыл бұрын
i love sparring video so much
@Karzeo
@Karzeo Жыл бұрын
Been trying to practice actual fencing with a shield on Blade and Sorcery VR, so this does help lots
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing Жыл бұрын
Have a look at this one from us which is more recent and shows a wider range of technique kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNV-nLOCuqmpaIk.html
@salahkasli3362
@salahkasli3362 2 жыл бұрын
1:48 the tackle 🔥
@zamot9261
@zamot9261 7 жыл бұрын
nice for honor 2 gameplay
@deadantagonist5743
@deadantagonist5743 Жыл бұрын
Bro can we talk about how flawless that final move was by dude in the right at the end of the video
@blacksheepsociety1034
@blacksheepsociety1034 7 жыл бұрын
Nice effort, pretty much enjoyed this, nice pace and all. Have you considered using strikes with the shield edge to the face/hand/body in your training, getting into close range, grapping, ground combat yet? Would love to see more of this.
@Macaco23284
@Macaco23284 4 жыл бұрын
99% of coments are about rpg memes and jokes 1% are saying the axe and javelins are better
@noneofyourbusiness3288
@noneofyourbusiness3288 7 жыл бұрын
Goes to show how much protection a shield really offers.
@superangrymonkey9208
@superangrymonkey9208 6 жыл бұрын
Very nice sparring! Sword and shield seem to be the safest and most balanced way to fight (and maybe spear and shield?)
@modex20
@modex20 7 жыл бұрын
tank duels are so boring
@eliabiundo8874
@eliabiundo8874 6 жыл бұрын
i actually disagree. that makes it just really interesting! because if two tanks fight the techinique wins! so that is awesome!!!
@darksyde0418
@darksyde0418 5 жыл бұрын
They barely even attack
@lindgrenland
@lindgrenland 7 жыл бұрын
Looks a bit like saber sparring where there just happens to be a shield there
@anthonycarlisle6184
@anthonycarlisle6184 2 жыл бұрын
Good observation 👍
@Wabbasha
@Wabbasha 2 жыл бұрын
imagine a medieval fight with both guys in full plate armor, shield and sword... it would last forever.
@detectivecommmander69420_xx
@detectivecommmander69420_xx 3 жыл бұрын
everybody gangsta till the astronauts start fencing
@unholybrick5416
@unholybrick5416 7 жыл бұрын
5:02 Permanent death. Cool move man!
@justsiss
@justsiss 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there are places where under 15’s can learn, in twelve and really am ambitious to learn
@CoffeeSnep
@CoffeeSnep 4 жыл бұрын
That is a challenge. There are far more Asian schools of martial arts that train children and teens than there are European. At mine I'm the youngest guy and im 19. Joined when I was 17, got third in the last tournament. If you're serious about joining keep looking because you might find one that teaches minors. If not, try a different martial art for the time being, you will improve faster in European if you do. Also, make sure to keep in shape with a combination of cardio and weight lifting exercise. Its really important for this stuff if you want to spar or compete.
@matthewpham9525
@matthewpham9525 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe try fencing when the pandemic clears. There’s a whole bunch of differences between modern and historical fencing, but there are enough similarities to be useful.
@CoffeeSnep
@CoffeeSnep 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewpham9525 that is certainly true. The thing I've noticed though is that some modern fencers have a tough time. They get hyperfocused on their ways and they find it more difficult than normal people to adjust. Some others adjust better and get a decent head start after they acclimate. Martial artists don't seem to have this problem in my experience because what they usually do is much more different. Still, the key parts of it like body awareness will transfer to any Martial art that you do.
@supaMcnugget09
@supaMcnugget09 3 жыл бұрын
Same here but im 11
@jordansblabbering6303
@jordansblabbering6303 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe start with LARP fighting?
@LoF375
@LoF375 7 жыл бұрын
Greetings Academy of Historical Fencing, I'm Leonardo Freitas and I hail from Brazil. I'm currently one of the headings of a new forged clan focused on what we call "Nordic Combat" (we actually lack a better name for it). The points of this message are 2: First: I'm happy to see that this kind of martial art is already spread out over the world, I bid you my total respect for the uploads, I can see that you are concerned about showing actual technique on your videos and not just waving your swords around like sticks! Second: That being said, I wonder if you're willing to share some knowledge, you see, since we are new born clan ( about 8 months old), we got few amounts of information regarding the actual techniques used by the nordling folk of the baltics and how their fight was actually done. Althoug all our member are graduated on several martial arts and, by that, we were able to incorporate and creat some moves we consider plausible and effective...we could use some tips and advices from the more experienced! So please, make contact! A video of ou most recent combat demonstration in a medieval event: facebook.com/772259302950247/videos/801272443382266/ My personal profile: facebook.com/leonardo.freitas.710?ref=bookmarks
@thelonewanderer1964
@thelonewanderer1964 6 жыл бұрын
Mike always responds to a shield hit with a counter swing. I'd probably throw a light swing for the shield, then start winding up my shield arm before he even starts his attack, and see if I could deflect his pipe as hard as I could. Doubt it'd be effective, or that it'd be as easy as that, but it has the potential to be the most badass disarm anyone's ever seen.
@damiaan7021
@damiaan7021 7 жыл бұрын
that shield is quite big, people laugh at my shield of a similar size, mostly because it's crazy heavy in a longer fight... but it feels so safe and cozy
@cowboyru
@cowboyru 8 жыл бұрын
This is a saber duel with shields. Not claiming to be an expert, but having some experience in Viking age living history and martial arts, I can clearly see you guys not using many discovered effective techniques such as active shield, binds and certain effective strikes. Both of you leave you hands open at all times and lead with your heads a lot. I know both of you guys are excellent saber fencers, but this is a different style of fighting. Don't mean to discourage and no disrespect to fellow swordsman, however that just a wrong direction to take Viking age sword and shield. There are many resources such as Viking age living history groups and fighters from around the world who can help you explore this fighting style and explain commonly accepted techniques. Good luck.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 8 жыл бұрын
+mikhail antipov Actually it's more based in renaissance sword and shield combat, which we do train in and is well documented. The problem with any kind of 'discovery' regarding a lost style is that it is purely speculative. It can look wonderful and seem great in theory, but they are just a theory. We will likely never know how Vikings/Saxons and others fought with shields. It would also be a massive mistake to believe that there is one true way to use any weapons, that is the pitfall that the katana has fallen into. Historically there would almost certainly be a great range of fighters in terms of skill, style, and approach. Nobody can really say what the right or wrong way to take Viking shield training, but we do not profess to know or teach a method. All we are doing is taking a known style and using It for fun according to earlier weapons.
@Spuuunt
@Spuuunt 8 жыл бұрын
+Juan P. Gonzalez D S Even cooler that some try to make new styles too.
@Imakebootysclap
@Imakebootysclap 5 жыл бұрын
just because its sword and shield doesnt mean its viking combat.
@MartinMunthe
@MartinMunthe 3 жыл бұрын
Logic dictates that the "punch grip" shield is very light and wide and only held by one grip because it is used at extended arm range away from the body. It is a tool to build distance, block the opponents view and the force limit movement of the opponent. In this clip the shields are used like later day armour shields that where heavy and had to be held closer to the body and be thicker. The viking shield is for smashing into the opponent with its ridge to get clearance for attacking with the sword.
@spicketspaghet7773
@spicketspaghet7773 Жыл бұрын
You presume a little bit. Distance is the key with shields, but there is also a human element. Holding a 2 lb shield at max arm extension depletes your arm's stamina. That is why you see them draw it in whenever possible.
@1realwild
@1realwild 4 жыл бұрын
Good match guys, love it 😊👍
@sirPiteye
@sirPiteye 8 жыл бұрын
There seems to be no offensive use of the shield/shield bashing, is that deliberate?
@peanutgalery
@peanutgalery 8 жыл бұрын
+sirPiteye you underestimate how bad getting smacked by a shield would hurt.
@sirPiteye
@sirPiteye 8 жыл бұрын
***** yeah i thought so, that's why i asked
@alexanderpalmer2647
@alexanderpalmer2647 7 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. I for one would have done it in an actual fight. But, It might be the same reason we aren't allowed to fight with quarterstaves. All that blunt power being forced into a resistant body might very well crush some very important body parts.
@CrispySkinwalker
@CrispySkinwalker 7 жыл бұрын
Alexander Palmer 2:55 he actually does a bit of a rush
@elsalondearmas5013
@elsalondearmas5013 5 жыл бұрын
Nice...
@sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688
@sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688 2 жыл бұрын
These two tend to treat their shields as after thoughts, rather than integrated weapon/defenses.
@soda_coir7595
@soda_coir7595 10 ай бұрын
Chernobyl warrior vs peppermint man! Fight!
@jonathanbergeron5833
@jonathanbergeron5833 6 жыл бұрын
3:37, Nick lands a cut to the arm, blocks the countercut and then hits Mike's head. Very well done.
@liammcdowell8893
@liammcdowell8893 7 жыл бұрын
where the warlord jokes ?
@VaustXIII
@VaustXIII 8 жыл бұрын
Soldier of house Nukem versus some viking
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 8 жыл бұрын
+Vaust XIII It's actually East Roman :-) But maybe it does have built in radioactive powers!
@flyingpenandpaper6119
@flyingpenandpaper6119 6 жыл бұрын
I think that the best form of one-handed swordfighting would be sword and left gauntlet. I know it's less practical, but it would look much cooler.
@frankdevivo5072
@frankdevivo5072 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed it but the fighter with the larger red and white sheild is the more technically sound fighter if you notice the man on the left is opening up everytime he throws a strike red and white had multiple opportunities to shred him
@opsrektu6557
@opsrektu6557 8 жыл бұрын
whyy!!! do they hit on each others facking sheilds!! teatch me i want to know why
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 8 жыл бұрын
There is never intentionally a cut made against a shield. There are taps and engagements to provoke responses, their are feints to create openings when the shield then counters, they are parried cuts. The reality with a sword and shield fight is that the shield is going to get hit by the sword often, that is what it is therefore.
@quinsalee
@quinsalee 7 жыл бұрын
+Academy of Historical Fencing ok, when they swing and the arc is intercepted by the shield when the shield does not move, would you call that swinging at the shield? if you hit a static shield with your sword, you are swinging at the shield.
@Kat957
@Kat957 7 жыл бұрын
Generally speaking, it's to provoke a response that you can capitalize on. Sometimes you can also move the shield with your strike and create an opening that way. The bottom line is if there isn't already an opening, you need to create one somehow and hitting the shield can do that for you.
@opsrektu6557
@opsrektu6557 7 жыл бұрын
ty man
@anonymousshawn9996
@anonymousshawn9996 6 жыл бұрын
Ops RektU a shield is usually heavy as hell. So one would cause their enemy to constantly have to raise their shield, causing the shielder to wear themselves out... Plus, depending on the type of shield and weapon it is blocking, a shield can become damaged and useless.
@shaidyn8278
@shaidyn8278 7 жыл бұрын
I can't say for certain, but these shields look really light, as in I doubt they'd be able to take more than a hit or two from a full weight weapon. I'd be more interested in seeing this with weighted sheilds and swords.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 7 жыл бұрын
Actually no, they are overweight, as they have been made from 12mm ply with no taper. Typically a shield will taper from around 12-6mm, or similar, and yes they will very much stand up to steel weapons. But then these synthetic ones are within a realistic weight range for arming swords anyway, though Viking swords often are heftier in the tip. We used to use these with steel Viking/saxon swords, and spears. In fact these shields are about 8-10 years old, with a tonne of sparring practice. They are overweight and overly strong compared to typical originals.
@STRONK4LIFE
@STRONK4LIFE 7 жыл бұрын
Skallagrim tested a shield of this type with properly sharpened, full-weight weapons; they turned out to be far sturdier than expected.
@alexanderpalmer2647
@alexanderpalmer2647 7 жыл бұрын
Oh these things are tuff. The won't survive a direct hit from a Warhammer, or rather your arm probably won't, but nothing really does. But swords, axes...those things get stuck in the shield are dick all to remove. So all the shield guy as to do is wrench and dead.
@deviantan021
@deviantan021 7 жыл бұрын
a strike like that from a warhammer guy would be suicide
@alexanderpalmer2647
@alexanderpalmer2647 7 жыл бұрын
deviantan021 Moral of this story...don't get by a Warhammer...it hurts.
@mindsliver2245
@mindsliver2245 8 жыл бұрын
I find that the SCA has developed a very effective form of shield combat (several in fact). Of course you can argue with their rule set and use of rattan for a blade analog but if you step in with a good heavy fighter from the SCA, he'll teach you some things about how shields can be used... whether or not the vikings figured it out haha.
@toutlemondesalut
@toutlemondesalut 4 жыл бұрын
You two are so good with a sword that you forget the shield
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 4 жыл бұрын
The shields do plenty in this fight, they're just not being used in a very aggressive way, that's mainly because of who is involved and how familiar they are with one another. Check some of our other sword and shield videos though, and you'll find much greater variety, like this for example - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNV-nLOCuqmpaIk.html
@toutlemondesalut
@toutlemondesalut 4 жыл бұрын
@@AcademyofHistoricalFencing You're right
@Erotic_Hippo
@Erotic_Hippo 5 жыл бұрын
I could see two guys in full armor with a sword and shield doing this for a while.
@TS-qg7bc
@TS-qg7bc 5 жыл бұрын
ErraticHippo would almost useless, but with a mace on the other hand
@murthy85
@murthy85 6 жыл бұрын
Hello there. I was wondering if it's possible to download this video for personal use? I wanted to do some rotoscoping for my showreel. Nothing commercial.
@Balgore8
@Balgore8 5 жыл бұрын
That larger shield is an obvious advantage but the smaller guy played around it well.
@y.k.2143
@y.k.2143 5 жыл бұрын
well, as an advantage it is, it's also has it's own shortcoming like its weight, the heavier the quicker you get exhausted.
@mutemeimscared1632
@mutemeimscared1632 3 жыл бұрын
The first few seconds they looked like cats swatting at each other
@oscillatine
@oscillatine 7 жыл бұрын
I thought that, in this case (scandinavian fencing), the sword should come on the edge of the shield in order to attack with both sword and shield in the same time, and cut instead of striking the body. Plus they don't use the rotating function of the shield, invented to feel the opponent movement and divert forces... They just strike and parry. How come ?
@v_crimson77
@v_crimson77 2 жыл бұрын
The Vikings were savages but they never just acted rabid, 10/10, only thing I need to see now is a claymore in action
@ArtofAsmr
@ArtofAsmr 5 жыл бұрын
So cool. I want to learn and practice this soo bad.
@johnbr59
@johnbr59 7 жыл бұрын
i want to see more of this! i love that you've started showcasing viking era shields. very nice. below you say you don't know how these shields were really used in their time. i assume you've seen roland warzecha's work with these shields? he suggests that the viking shield was used a lot more offensively to bind the opponent's shield/sword arm. i guess that's the advantage of the reach of the center grip. you guys do this a little bit in the video but you use them more defensively - but you do it very effectively ! please upload more of these, i'd also love to see viking era shield vs other strapped shield types (eg kite or heater). i always wonder why these center-held shields fell out of favour in the later middle ages because they look superior in many ways.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 7 жыл бұрын
Yes I have seen his work. We were present for at least one of those demonstrations. I think his work is interesting, but far from conclusive. The truth is we will likely never know how these shields were used. But I think the answer is probably not in one prescribed manner, but a great many ways. Just look at the era of pattern swords of the 18th and 19th century and the different methods taught even from instructors of the same nationality. Then consider how many nations across such a vast time period used shields like this. We will certainly make more videos with them, but they will never be are favoured arms, in part because we prefer later systems and weapons, but mainly because we like to work from martial systems where there are documented styles.
@slowpokebr549
@slowpokebr549 7 жыл бұрын
Given two evenly matched opponents, that could turn into a long, bloody, drawn out affair.
@frozenblade1954
@frozenblade1954 6 жыл бұрын
02:57 I internally screamed for him to do that lmao and he actually charged at him using the shield both offensively and defensively. lol
@davelop5507
@davelop5507 7 жыл бұрын
Good sparing guys.
@ayyyyylmao
@ayyyyylmao 7 жыл бұрын
Lothric Knight Sword R1 Spam [GONE WRONG]
@matthewmiles15
@matthewmiles15 4 жыл бұрын
Guy on the right with radioactive shield vs Guy on the left with burn-damage shield. Interesting.
@predictless1009
@predictless1009 3 жыл бұрын
Radioactive shield probably deals very low damage over time, but cannot be negated, once applied.
@michelledhyana4516
@michelledhyana4516 7 жыл бұрын
I like a lot Nick's moves and movements, for example at 2:30 and the exchange from 3:30 to 3:40
@jacobtylerjoyce8169
@jacobtylerjoyce8169 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if this was the fight choreography for hector vs Achilles
@dtawantawng5131
@dtawantawng5131 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like such good time!
@RandomBJJGuy
@RandomBJJGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Medieval battles/ancient battles with shields are pretty well recorded, and shield on shield fights ended up being two armies pushing shield to shield. Most casualties occurred during retreats. You wouldn't really see a fight like this. Still cool though.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 5 жыл бұрын
They are fairly well recorded, but this isn't a battle or melee scenario. It's one on one. All kinds of reasons for a fight like this, a duel, a spread out melee or small scale action. The Icelandic sagas actually describe a number of fights like this, one on one or one vs two. They were not pressed up and shields were often cut to pieces during the action.
@Rzut-Oka
@Rzut-Oka 7 жыл бұрын
that real fight, not like in movie. Nice, thanks!
@stuarmstrong9939
@stuarmstrong9939 3 жыл бұрын
Epic. 😊👍
@Roderik95
@Roderik95 8 жыл бұрын
Very fun to watch guys! I can see why you would like to use a shield in combat. It seems like the engagements are longer with the shield, or maybe it is just that you guys are quite evenly matched?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 8 жыл бұрын
+Roderik Vikström It is a combination of both really. We have fought each other for so many years that we are well matched, and also know each others styles so well. But it is also the shields. Large shields close off so many target zones at once. Subtle disengages and changes of direction can not so easily find targets. Same when you look at rapier and rotella, it is such a strong defensive combination that the number of hits placed decreases substantially over say single rapier or rapier and dagger. It is no wonder or surprise that the shield has played such a vital part in the combat history of most of the world.
@Roderik95
@Roderik95 8 жыл бұрын
Academy of Historical Fencing Yeah, man. Exactly. :)
@thomas5975
@thomas5975 6 жыл бұрын
I personally think they should’ve invested more points in sneak that way this encounter wouldn’t haven’t happened because the other opponent wouldn’t know what hit em
@aliramezani2333
@aliramezani2333 3 жыл бұрын
Shield Combat Pro tip: Don't strike from your right Your right, his left
@GamerMax
@GamerMax 2 жыл бұрын
The bigger shield guy had an advantage. Next time you spar; buy a kite shield or a tower shield. REvenge!
@juancerrate8638
@juancerrate8638 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh they need some of them conqueror shield bashes
@johnmatthewcrane4423
@johnmatthewcrane4423 4 жыл бұрын
Roland Warzecha makes a point that the shield is the main weapon and the sword is the accessory weapon, and that a fighter should strike with both at the same time. I myself, have little experience fighting with sword & shield, but it sounds like a fair point.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not at all convinced by his sword and shield teacjings. He is applying i.33 and some very personal theories to sword and shield, and that doesn't tally with what is decribed of shield use, nor written down in what later shield manuals do exist. I was there when he shot some of those videos and sparred with him many times. He's gone down the rabbit hole with his sword and shield work. Now as for this particular sparring bout, it's cagey between two brothers who have fought for decades. So it is twitchy and does't include a wide breath of techniqye as a result. See the video below for one with much more aggresive use of the shield. No, I'd not agree the shield is the main weapon either. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hNV-nLOCuqmpaIk.html
@thedevilofmetal5335
@thedevilofmetal5335 9 ай бұрын
I too like to throw 90% of my sword swings directly to where their shield already is
@herniagaming
@herniagaming 6 жыл бұрын
the dude on the left at 0:01 looks like he's in the dark souls 2 menu stance
@nomadpi1
@nomadpi1 6 жыл бұрын
And how do you score a "cut" or a "bruised muscle, or a numbing, inability to use an arm after a bone being hit?
@DarkAgesWarrior
@DarkAgesWarrior 3 жыл бұрын
Nice footage. Are you just carrying on when hit or waiting for something significant? We have been sparring without much protective and find this helps us assess damage from a shot.
@dequitem
@dequitem 5 жыл бұрын
Do u know that u can strikte with the shield too?
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, you'll see that in other videos. It has its own strengths and weaknesses, depending on the opponent and context.
@TheSpiritWalk
@TheSpiritWalk 6 жыл бұрын
I can bet in the real ones, the opponents forward knee was most likely the easiest place to land a strike, then forcing a collapse...idk
@VTPSTTU
@VTPSTTU 2 жыл бұрын
This would be very fun.
@dubbermagoo43
@dubbermagoo43 8 жыл бұрын
maybe try out the hinge on the shield as a way of using the shield to block your opponent. Use the shield as the opener and weapon, and the straight sword to finish?
@johnnyjoestar1930
@johnnyjoestar1930 5 жыл бұрын
I really wanna learn!!! I just don't have a sword. Edit: If the shield had a turnable handle, you could attack with the shield.
@tedblackburn8679
@tedblackburn8679 2 жыл бұрын
Hello , does anyone here know where i can buy a hidden pommel wrench? For a Turkish shashka from WW1. Thanks.
@nickrl113
@nickrl113 7 жыл бұрын
Shoulda gone for the guard break into unblockable zone attack but this works I guess
@codename7000
@codename7000 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like a shielded opponent so much harder to hit
@MediaevalJames
@MediaevalJames 7 жыл бұрын
Do you have any suggestions for practice swords and shields (preferably a heater), I'm interested in HEMA and the sword and shield style of combat, any help would be greatly appreciated.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 7 жыл бұрын
Blackfencer are great for synthetic swords, the arming swords we are using are from them. Peter Regenyei for steel training swords. These are good for heaters, I have one of theirs. Just make sure it has rawhide on the top edge, or put some on yourself, as the top edge will get chewed up easily otherwise. Lastly though, you'll almost never see the heater shield used in HEMA, largely because there are no surviving treatise on them, and because it is a shield of war for armoured combat, and HEMA is almost entirely about unarmoured combat, or full plate (where shields are not used) if armoured combat is done. Nothing stopping using one though. www.shieldsplus.co.uk/
@MediaevalJames
@MediaevalJames 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@ColdenPrime
@ColdenPrime 4 жыл бұрын
Where did they get their synthetic swords and shields?
@mandalorian2854
@mandalorian2854 2 жыл бұрын
Good show!!
@horkosofdonso7624
@horkosofdonso7624 6 жыл бұрын
Will a head guards like those in the video withstand a thrust from a synthetic sword, or will fenching masks deform on inpact? They're asthetically appealing but plastic visor head guards seem more apt.
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing
@AcademyofHistoricalFencing 6 жыл бұрын
Yes they will. They are designed to withstand a lot of pressure on the thrust, and are very robust all round. If anything it is extra cushioning against heavy cuts that they need, which is why many people overlays, of which many are commercially available. I've not see any plastic visor that I would remotely thrust over mesh.
@horkosofdonso7624
@horkosofdonso7624 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that. Thanks, m8.
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