Swords are NOT Lightsabers.

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11 ай бұрын

A quick and fun video why we need to pay attention on how to deliver effective attacks with the sword and how to prevent our opponents from delivering them to us.
P.S.: The solution clearly is to get into lightsaber combat as it solves all these problems in an instant. ;)
In historical fencing or HEMA (for Historical European Martial Arts) we reconstruct sword fighting systems from historical sources. Our club focuses on Italian medieval and renaissance sources, fencing with the Spadone (Two-Handed Sword), Spear, Sidesword (One-Handed Sword) together with Shield, Cape, Dagger, you name it!
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@OliverJanseps 11 ай бұрын

First time I had the words "light saber" in my title people were disapointed to see light steel saber 🤷‍♂️

@SchildwachePotsdam 11 ай бұрын

😅 We should probably film some lightsaber fencing for the views 🙈

@frenchgalloglass5204 11 ай бұрын

Fully agreed. There are tournaments where they decided to stop judging hit quality, for various reasons (because it's difficult to judge, mostly), and as a result the videos you can see from those tournaments include lots of hits with the flat, and lots of timid, light taps that wouldn't cause any damage (if done with a sharp blade on someone wearing only civilian clothes). And it's just not great to see... We could argue that light taps (with the edge) to the hands could still be damaging, and flat strikes to the face could be kinda dangerous, but a light tap to the thigh or a flat strike to the shoulder or ribs shouldn't be accepted as a valid action. Just my 2 cents.

@SchildwachePotsdam 11 ай бұрын

Agreed, it puts some pressure on the judges of course but I think it's necessary as well.

@SixDeadZeroHEMA 11 ай бұрын

Personally, I believe having to think about hit quality is one of the defining characteristics of HEMA. It's what sets it apart from other sword-related sports and martial arts. I wouldn't bother with any HEMA tournament that doesn't take into account hit quality. Might as well just forget about HEMA at that point and do Olympic Fencing. Of course it's difficult to judge but that's why we have judges.

@jerrychubb6168 11 ай бұрын

I play in three different games of combat: SCA Rapier/C&T, HEMA and LED Saber Combat through TSL. The have similarities, but there are also fundamental differences that need to be observed when playing each one. Good to have a distinction.

@Davlavi 10 ай бұрын

Well explained.

@dequitem 11 ай бұрын

Cool video. That's why continues fighting is sometimes helpful. Not always, it hast to be something between.

@SchildwachePotsdam 11 ай бұрын

Very true, that also solves a couple of problems regarding a proper retreat when fencers tend to stop after scoring a hit. But yes, it's not a be all end all solution 😊

@MartinGreywolf 11 ай бұрын

This is why everyone who is serious about their fencing should do at least some test cutting against targets covered in fabric. You'll get a sense for which cuts are dangerous and which ones are not - and it is surprising how sturdy to layers of simple linen fabric can be. Conversely, it is also surprising how fragile fingers are when you manage to land even a light hit. I recommend practicing that one on chicken as opposed to on your friends.

@SchildwachePotsdam 11 ай бұрын

Very true! 😊

@HercSpeed 9 ай бұрын

As long as the fencers are aware of what they are doing and why they are doing it is fine to strike with light contact. Incidental contact is bad however. I don't care if Meyer describes slapping someone in the face with the flat, if you weren't intending to execute that technique then it was bad/messy/poor fencing on your part. If you were intending that technique and someone's afterblow is a thrust to your gorget then rethink the context in which you should be performing that action.

@SchildwachePotsdam 9 ай бұрын

Yup, I highly encourage light contact on hits. However, strikes need a sufficient arc, edge alignment and structure behind them. 😊

@freifechterbasel6115 11 ай бұрын

This topic is why jugger is super frustrating to play for me (even though it is fun).

@SchildwachePotsdam 11 ай бұрын

Yup, same goes for LARP fighting which is also fun, but a different game as well

@LudoSportPotsdam 11 ай бұрын

It´s funny how HEMA Instructors remind their students not just to tap and demanding a point while wearing garments , as where Ludosport Instructors reminding their students not to hit hard while we have no garments! Love your Vids, until next time we cross blades!

@SchildwachePotsdam 11 ай бұрын

Hehe, we do not mind a slight touch at the end of the motion (and often encourage it heavily) IF the cutting motion before was sufficient. Hitting hard is not necessary for a proper cut and has several disadvantages regarding the safety of the participants.

@gotfrydzbouillon4191 11 ай бұрын

Did you watch Skallagrim video about proper sharped sword ? :)

@SchildwachePotsdam 11 ай бұрын

I watched quite a few of his test cutting videos, which do you have in mind? I remember a not super sharp sword having a hard time slashing even through a cheap gambeson, though a really sharp sword cleaved through it. With slices however the effect was minimal.

@ballisticsquid 10 ай бұрын

Surprised not many comments on this. Maybe that's actually a sign that the video's message is a really good point and nothing else needs be said

@WilliamKeloren 10 ай бұрын

Nah... people are just bored of this topic. It has been around for more than 20 years... and it is impossible to draw any conclusion from it anyway. I have discussed this topic even with guys resposible for desing of police and law enforcement gear, things that protect against knifes and such. And all of them agree that there is no valid criteria to judge if cut, slice etc have potential to cause harm IF one counts ANY fabric. Sometimes even well aligned full power cuts do nothing, because there is slight overlap of fabric. And sometimes even slightest tap gets through because of already existing stress on the fabric. It useless to discuss this. That is why at least in my region HEMA judging rules were introduced with idea that both combatants are naked. So validity is only about skin. Some of the rules also counts blunt trauma on naked body. And yeah one can introduce higher and lower scoring hits (similarly how dmg is counted in boxing) and than introduce some afterblow variant if he wants.

@ballisticsquid 10 ай бұрын

@@WilliamKeloren surely if your historical fencing rules Simulate being naked it defeats the point of historical fencing? The practice of historical fencing is based on fencing reflective of the times including how people were dressed back then, unarmoured or armoured etc Also "full powered, well aligned, well aimed cut" even if it could not cut the clothing in the way would definitely still cause blunt trauma sufficient to debilitate your opponent or break their bones.

@WilliamKeloren 10 ай бұрын

@@ballisticsquid Well there is this thing that rules of HEMA should incorporate multiple periods of time. (for example sword + buckler... these are multiple centuries on can start pre I.33 and end with Targe + sword of highlanders) So which clothing would you simulate anyway? About the full powered strike... well depends. It depends on where it lands, which sword and also how would the blade behave. If that was universally true than edge alignment would not be needed at all, and hits with flats should be counted. The thing it different compression of fabric, density or volume on each side of the edge, can on certain type of blades cause enough difference in friction that it would offset the alignment and the weapon would not cut into the material / body anymore.

@ballisticsquid 10 ай бұрын

@@WilliamKeloren no ruleset is perfect so ruleset should fit common sense as clearly as possible. If you hit someone hard with a sword you would cause significant damage. You can try and argue otherwise but you won't be reflecting reality. As for types of clothing surely you would assume a minimum of one or two laters of cloth and leave it as that to generalise. Common sense.

@WilliamKeloren 10 ай бұрын

@@ballisticsquid So you are basically saying that the original video is wrong, right? If you hit hard with the sword you do not need edge alignment, arc, slicing motion etc. and it will still do dmg? That if you step into someone you increase the power and since historical context and multiple periods make statment of arming jacket etc. b*shit. (as in duel one can go as far as having basic tunic only) Than even that can cause dmg as you can surely cut through such thing by common sense? And that these "proper cuts and thrusts" are artificial implements to introduce someones understanding of how to use and introduce certain actions. Rather than using common sense? :-) (see the problem here? that is why everyone is bored of this topic)