Kreia would spin, cause storms, and throw shit out her Trayus core if she found out the Exile was killed by a betrayal..

I couldn't agree more, Revan and the Exile deserve better ends to their stories.

So in other words, they reduced The Exile to Revan's cheerleader?

Ugh. In kotor 2 kreia said that looking at Revan was like looking at the life of the force. And looking at the Exile was like looking at the death of it. The fact that Revan was imprisoned, and the exile killed, pisses me off quite a bit. It just seems unlikely that that could happen.

He wouldn't stand a chance against the exile

Speaking of Revan and the Exile, something that bothers me about TOR is the Endar Spire, if you notice on Taris in TOR, it is pretty much intact, however, if you watch the cutscene towards the beginning of KOTOR, it is completely destroyed, there would be nothing remaining of it.

I don't understand why the made iconic characters of Revan and Exile into weaklings... They were main characters of Kotor 1 and 2 , shouldnt they be pretty powerful ? yet as Jedi Knight you single-handedly defeat the Emperor at the end .. So.. Revan and Exile couldn't handle the Emperor ,as strong as they were,but Jedi Knight could? The Emperor,leader of the Empire , who lived and plot for hundreds of years, got beaten by a newly knighted jedi ? This is absurd.

Oh my Force, Lord Scourge killed the Exile, that bastard!

Lol I love how when you rescue Revan with Lord Scourge in your party they don't even acknowledge the other

As someone who played KotOR 2, I am like WTF when at 2:23 I hear Scourge say about the Exile, "Despite all she had done she never trusted herself. Wih Revan she was his student again." How come a person who resisted the dark side when all her comrades succumbed to it (Mandalorian Wars), cut herself from the Force so thoroughly it left a wound in the Force (she is the only being in history who's done that according to what Kreia says at the end of KotOR 2), with the help of just 2 people defeated a Sith of VItiate's calibre before (both Vitiate and Nihilus could wipe all life on a planet and threatened to consume the galaxy), and last but not least persuaded an invincible opponent (Sion) to commit suicide does not trust herself? It definitely deserves an explanation, yet none is given. And when it comes to her being Revan's student again, I must say I never thought of the Exile as a Revan's student. He was her superior in the wars, sure. But she never embraced his teaching, walked her own path and ended up not joining the Jedi Civil War. I would expect the relationship between Revan and the Exile in the unknown regions to be a partnership of equals. Revan is rightly the more prominent figure since he has been hyped to be a tactical mastermind in both KotOR games and also knows more of the true Sith but the Exile can still teach him a thing or two. Is there some explanation in the novels as to why the Exile distrusted herself and fell into the master-apprentice convention? Because, I mean, she seems to be above that based on KotOR 2. So, the explanation I find most logical is that Bioware degraded the Exile simply because her character was created by Obsidian. However, I don't think TOR did justice to Revan either although he's towering above the Exile.

TOR is usually pretty good, but the what they did to both Revan and the Exile was just BAFFLINGLY terrible writing. No part of their story was fitting or fun or felt like it did them justice even slightly. And this is coming from someone who thinks they are both a little overrated. They didn't seem to understand or even care to understand either character and still shoehorned the into a story almost like they were trying to ruin their legacies.

It so pisses me off that you have to take that scumbag with you and can't punish him for what he did to Revan and the Exile

The exile is my favorite

scourge is a coward! while meetra and revan were willing to sacrifice their lives, that sob cared only for himself. the least he could do is die with honor by meetra and revan's side.

I expected Scourge to sound more like Savage Opress

Words cannot describe how much I hate The Exile being described as Revans “student”… she was literally stated by Kreia as being like looking at “the death of the force”… but she’s supposedly Revan’s student and Scourge just kills her with a total coward move… such a disservice to the character

Karpyshyn didn't realize (which is strange) that the rules of genre differ from the rules of the real world. It is normal in the real world that a Hero comes back home to his wife from war, and then one day slips on ice, falls, and dies. That kind of shit happens in reality. But we don't want this shit in a book. That book was about our two favorite heroes, and it was supposed to have given them glorious endings. Instead, one is stabbed in the back and dies in the blink of an eye, and the other one is slowly turned into a lunatic. Worse yet, there was absolutely no reason for them not to succeed in their mission. So what if they killed the emperor? The Sith would get scared. Eventually, they would elect a new emperor and postpone the attack on the Republic for 300 years. See -- same result. Of course, now that Disney is probably going to retcon the entire EU, I'll just pretend that Kotors 1 and 2 happened, and that THIS shit did not.

:::SPOILERS::: . . . . . If you finish the Sith Warrior story you actually get a mail from the Emperor telling you about how he was attacked by a Jedi Knight, or at least, one of his decoys was. Meaning, Scourge was wrong the whole time. Yes, the Jedi Knight does kill SOMEONE, but not the Emperor himself. One of his Hands, I think they were called.

The Revan book was so bad Revan deserved a better ending

Well, they lived out their lives. Mission and Zalbaar started their own trading company, Carth became an Admiral, Bastila, Juhanni and the friends of the Exile (aka Meetra Surik) who became Jedi helped rebuild the Jedi Order, Jolee sorta disappears from the galaxy, and Canderous would succeed in reuniting the Mandalorians.

I hate what this game did to Revan and the Exile.......

The Emperor should have been a 16-man Operations boss...

The way Revan and Meetra Surik have been downplayed in this game is absolutely shameful

Fucking bullshit how they destroyed the characters of Revan and the exile just so some shitty nobody Jedi can kill the emperor. Bioware should have just made a kotor 3 and had the war take place in that with Revan back as the main character and the exile as a party member instead of making a mmo

What many fail to understand is the reason why Scourge stabbed the Exile. He had a vision of the jedi killing the emperor. The Force manipulated him into cutting off it's wound that could destroy it.

Scourge... we're going to have a lot of fun together

Commend you for the good resolution and everything!

I never got Scourges betrayal, I mean he's prepared to try and kill the emperor, even with a vision that losing is a possibility. But when he gets a vision that someone else might kill the emperor, he betrays Revan and Surik.

AT least it's nice to hear some acknowledgement of KOTOR II, since BioWare didn't develop it.

"-138 approval" well that was impressive

Be happy its not canon!

I wish this game wasn't cannon...

I wish they had left Revan and the Exile out of this game. What a way to ruin iconic SW characters.

"And here I thought you weren't listening." great way to end the video.

Revan - the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy at his time - and the Jedi Exile - who took out 3 Sith Lords - together did not have the strength to complete the task. Enter a small group of random generic nameless people who defeat the Sith Emperor. Fuck you SWTOR.

Exactly I can't wait, thankfully dice seems like it won't die any time soon.

Well, it wasn't really Revan, it was just a Force Vision. Such thing is in TOR (when you pick up Revan's mask the vision of him coming through fire appears). Not enough for me personally. TOR didn't really ruin anything, it acknowledges how important Revan and Meetra are, but when it came to having them personally in the game they didn't do much with it, just couple flashpoints. Yes, they were cool, but it's just a tiny-tiny bit of what they could have done with Revan, Exile and HK-47.

Read SW: Revan. This explains alot, connects KOTOR and this game.

The emperor would have died a long time ago if Lord scourge didn't stop Revan and Meetra.

The exile was never Revan's apprentice that's actually an important point in her story

I know they were caught by surprise and betrayed but how the fuck could Meetra Surik lose that battle anyway; She killed Korea and Nihlus who were practically a sith emperors. The same goes with Revan, who defeated Malak.

all killed... If you play as sith warrior and do the foundary mission Revan will reveal that to you. he also says that he was betrayed from his inner circle, so i would assume he was referring to lord scourge

Damn. It’s really jarring to go from the Audio book narrators impression of scourge to then listen to, this, lol. Caught me off guard a bit

I read the book on it, Scourge's choice was a good one, if he hadn't done so, they would have all died and nothing would have been gained. I had no idea the Jedi actually got Scourge as a companion thouhg, now I have to make one.

I really wish I'd read Revan before playing the Knight storyline. Only when I read that book did I appreciate the story and the character of Scourge.

Please notify me if you find a fanfic that's considered a proper ending to both Revan and Meetra.

Those are post-KotOR and KotOR2 events; from the book.

Imagine if Bioware had just made Kotor 3. In which you play as Revan and The Exile, both of you as the starting party members. Possibly get old favorites back like HK and Atton. It would have been so much better than this pay-to-play horse shit that destroys storylines lol.

The Force has been known to have sentient tendencies. It sent Scourge the vision. I blame the Force. And BioWare.

If he makes one more fucking hand gesture I’m gonna lose it.

Omg she sounds like Serana (random skyrim reference)☺

they died from old age this is 300 years later

Not really important, but I greatly prefer how he sounds in the Audiobook. Lower tone, bit more gravely. For doing all the voices, Marc Thompson did a great job, even with the female characters.

Also as I recall I never heard of the exile being a student of revan but a general for him in the mandalorian wars. She had severed her connection to the force out of survival and became a hole or the "death of the force"(by the way many people don't sever the connection to the force its pretty much like death itself since everything is connected to the force pretty much) kreia then begins to tell her she leeches off force sensitive people and becomes stronger and all that honestly I am not sure I believe it if you are light side. None the less she exiled herself by coming to the council and giving up her lightsaber and her ways eventually returning and killing a sith lord that resembled the emperor of today (consumed literally everything nihilus consumed worlds like emperor did) and a force zombie that literally never died from sheer will power and force. In the end she dies (ironic I guess) while revan lives seeing as he is like the "life of the force".

Let’s get a Kotor 3 and ignore this.

Mission and Zalbaar start a trading corporation that grows to rival Czerka Corp. Canderous becomes Mandalore the Preserver. T3 dies tragically, but heroically in combat with none other than the Emperor in a successful last ditch attempt to save Revan’s life. HK-47 goes off looking for Revan again and leaves numerous dead meatbags in his wake, eventually getting disassembled again not to be activated again until Revan finds him again.

Apparently a part of the ones in KOTOR 1 were killed before Revan by the Emperor in order to break him...

yeah i kinda wish theyd do like they did with Revan in Kotor II where you saw him/her back on Korriban

(sorry for my english, i'm french ^^) Like many, I'm an early fan of the Kotor on xbox-PC, especially the 1. The story of Revan, his relationship with Bastila, his endearing friends, the story very well put together, etc. But then the MMO The Old Republic is a betrayal against. Instead of giving Revan a nice ending, we pull the rope, and EA finds a bogus excuse to find it 300 years later. And go it back, die, but not totally, then again because it was "split in two". Frankly, the best thing for Revan would have been to kill the Emperor with the exile, and then return to the galaxy. Revan would have ended his life with Bastila and their child (ren), the exile would have been reintegrated into the Jedi order, and all the old ones (Jolee Bindo, Vao Mission, Carth, etc.), all those surviving friends, would have ended in the joy of being together to celebrate the victory of the Light, the Life! Unfortunately, just as Disney has messed up the end of episode VI by sabotaging the Han / Leia wedding, sabotaging the future of Jedi Luke, and the story itself (yes Anakin must restore balance in the Force and now we find ourselves with new sith and a "pseudo-empire" in episode VII, basically Anakin was useless), so EA sabotaged the end of the Kotor and messed up the happy ending Revan would have had with Bastila, the end of the exile etc ... to lay us, in addition to a pitiful story of a Revan quoted above, the story of an emperor who never dies ... and so Here again, like Anakin, Revan was useless, since the other ball on the dark side changes body as shirt. All this for a question of money, as always. Disney wants money and we sabotage the Star Wars saga of George Lucas. EA wants money with his MMO and ransacked the saga of Revan. In the end, it's sad to say, but it would have been better to stop everything after Kotor 1, simply. Or at the worst finish the trilogy Kotor with a third game so, on PC and console, like the first two, where we would order Revan and the exile in the wilds, killing the emperor, and returning to the end in the galaxy towards theirs. There we would have an end worthy of a Lucas, worthy of Star Wars.

Bring back memories from book

Really? Revan AND the Exile working together, legendary battle tacticians and masters of the force were fodder, but you, a random ass jedi with no talent solos the emperor? This is why I don't play SWTOR. Even if I did like the gameplay the story would have me vomiting violently.

They're dead by the time SWTOR takes place although Revan and Bastila Shan had children(or a child) as evidenced by the existence of Satele Shan. There's a sprinkling of reference's to the KOTOR-games in SWTOR(for example the smuggler has to deliver the preserved head of Darth Bandon to a curator on Alderaan^^).

Revan of course is the father they did it before he left

Those are some strange hand gestures he makes...

don't worry, it was just the Emperor's Voice

Well as some one who has played games since super mario bros, I really don't see that as a bad thing as long as you can toggle first and third person like in the old ones I will be happy.

This is a typical Anakin situation. If Scourge hadn't betrayed them they could have beaten the emperor. Sourge had visions of Revan wining, loosing, and of the future jedi. He made his choice based on uncertainty.

This plays hundreds of years after kotor 1 and 2, Most of them are dead

**ghe emperor saw that Revan was too powerful in the Force to just kill. So he imprisons him and feeds off his mind for 3 centuries. But the connection works both ways and using that same link Revan learned countless new things about the Emperor and was actually the chief architect in making the Emperor agree to the Treaty of Coruscant

Came here after reading the Revan novel.

Man Scourge sounds so flat. In the book, the reader at least made him sound the part.

poor bastila, their son deserved a father

Spoilers! T3-M4 was destroyed by the Emperor. HK-47 left to look for Revan (met only after 300 years in SW:TOR). Carth and Bastila grew old. Bastila had son from Revan, who became a good politician. Exile's crew just lived their lives in the Rebublic, helped rebuilding the Jedi Order after the Triumvirate. Mission and Zaalbar had their small business (selling droids, or something). Not sure Jolee and Juhane, they might be Jedi again, if they've survived the Jedi Purge by Triumvirate.

Jedi can see the future. Particularly what is just about to happen. This would them difficult to backstab methinks.

she would turn in her asteroid field lol

Read "Revan" he says it as Scourge confesses his loyalty. The Emperor claims Revan has immense knowledge of both the Sith and Jedi and that he could use that power for his own.

I like how scourge said they did not have the strength the complete there task when in all actuality he could have helped and slayed the emperor right then and there with them. Instead he is consumed by I believe 2 visions or 3 I can't recall and he sees "us" the player as the one to slay him ( in all honesty I dont believe he was slain). Either way commendable story telling good hd vid and such :).

fuck this shit MMO Revan and the exile were the best damn characters in the Star Wars EU along with all other guys in Kotor if i think that this game was possible because the devs destroyed Kotor,,,, they didn't even respect kotor on the anniversary,they just gave you a 'title' and the original clothes of kotor in the cash shop,but they're just awful instead of making an HD remake of Kotor

Bastila died of old age, first gave birth to Revan's child. Carth died of old age or on war. HK-47? You can see him. T3? Probably thrashed or something like this. Jolee died in Jedi Hunting as well as the Cathar woman. Then you have Mission and Zaalbar, who probably died helping Revan. Canderous? Probably ended up dead when having a bounty hunter mission.

How much would it cost to obtain a license for Obsidian Entertainment to develop KoToR 3?

Smuggler storyline, first third of the game, planet: Alderaan.

they died of old age and lived happy peaceful lives. Which is exactly what Revan wanted to accomplish.

Were lucky that Battlefront 3 is starting to be designed AGAIN. Hopefully the company making it this time doesn't crash and burn.

Only because he made that choice. Revan and Meetra had a real chance of succeeding.

@TheRevanite Fair enough, we all do occasionally. When it comes to TOR I get pretty steamed myself.

Hah, that guy makes me really wanna try out SWTOR, just for the story. What an incredibly well-made character, I'm surprised at all the ''OMFG HE KILLED A CHARACTER I LIKED, HE BAD'' comments

Is it possible, that his first love is Meetra Surik?

they were thrown under the bus with Revan and the Exile. their strength failed because he literally stabbed the exile in the back.

I probably will when I up the specs of my old computer.

Revan actually doesn't die in the flashpoint in SWTOR. When he reaches 5% he stops fighting and disappears in a cloud of violet smoke and lightning, leading some to believe he wasn't really there. And Scourge DOES kill The Exile. It takes place in the Revan novel. He only does it because he begins seeing they cannot defeat the Emperor as they are then and pretends to betray them in order to buy Revan and the Jedi some time. Scourge knew the a emperor saw are an was too powerful to simply kill.

Man, this is so true... RIP storytelling.

So that explains what happened to everyone? It revelas the fates of characters like Mission, Juhani, Visas, etc.

@0AllThingsAwesome0 Actually, I understand full well that Bioware thought they were the same character. My point was that this Jedi Exile from the novel was so different in powers and abilities from the player character in Kotor 2 that I refused to accept it.

Revan is an awesome book and i played and loved the kotor games

I also am not pleased with what they did, but unlike most people I am just disappointed with them using Revan and Exile just for a cameo in flashpoint instead of turning them into real characters through story. Sure, Revan has been holding the Empire back for 300 years and made Emperor set peace for a while, saving the Republic by giving time, and Exile saved Revan before. Their legacy IS important for TOR's story, but I wish we had more of them personally, even as Force ghost like Exile is now.

At least you get to set are an free and undo some of the stuff Scourge did

0AllThingsAwesome0 You still don't understand. I'm not refuting that within the canon they are the same person. I'm saying that changing elements of the Exile's powers and then killing her off with the minimum of fuss was so disrespectful to the fans I would prefer to keep them as separate entities in my head. I can assure you that I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Bastila had a kid which is S. Shan who was the farther?

Darth Traya would demolish Scourge.

Bullshit that's not what really happened. They ruined the lore and my favourite character: The Jedi Exile. Well they could have made KOTOR 3 instead of this stupid MMO.